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	<title>Comments on: Evan Bayh, Big Oil and Coal&#8217;s Great White Hope, is Open for Business</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/18/evan-bayh-big-oil-and-coals-great-white-hope-is-open-for-business/#comment-1901897</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If someone doesn’t like the cap &amp; trade bill they have an obligation to show their improvements. Otherwise they might as well become Republican. I mean, if they don’t recognize their president (of their party) as the leader on national issues and they vote against his policies, then what are they.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone doesn’t like the cap &amp; trade bill they have an obligation to show their improvements. Otherwise they might as well become Republican. I mean, if they don’t recognize their president (of their party) as the leader on national issues and they vote against his policies, then what are they.</p>
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		<title>By: millerdunwoody</title>
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		<dc:creator>millerdunwoody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fifty-four thousand bucks is all it takes?  Hell, the Sierra Club could afford that; what’s stopping them?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fifty-four thousand bucks is all it takes?  Hell, the Sierra Club could afford that; what’s stopping them?</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/18/evan-bayh-big-oil-and-coals-great-white-hope-is-open-for-business/#comment-1901598</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t see a third part as NATIONALLY viable unless we persuade unions and the Black Caucus to follow. This is why we’re getting killed on coal. UMWA is following the UAW’s playbook. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Below is a comment I left on the Kirk Murphy, M.D. thread that selise linked to above.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Seconded.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everything I’m reading is that Enhanced Geothermal is here right now. Drill baby drill three, four five kilometers down ALL OVER THE US, not just where there are hot springs. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shoot unheated water down. Let it flow over the hot rocks. Suck it up another pipe It doesn’t have to be boiling, because you’re using a binary turbine. The liquid inside the turbine has a lower boiling point than water. Are coal plants using this technology on their turbines? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The hot rocks only last for ten or twenty years. Then you have to give that well a rest, but it will come back, because the earth’s heat is a constant. All that drilling is a lot of VERY SUSTAINABLE work for the United Mine Workers Geo Thermal Drillers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not perfect, because you can bring up some nasty gasses from underground, but unlike wind, it’s a stand alone replacement for coal right now. It carries only a fraction of the environmental impace that coal has. GeoThermal spread out over enough wells is very reproducible. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the summer you can run the turbine faster, by adding some solar heat in spring, summer, and fall. Enhanced GeoThermal runs better in the winter (especially in northern states), because the air is cooler.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bulk of your costs up front are in the drilling and mud logging.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not against wind or solar, but until the battery technologies improves, they are not stand-alone replacements for coal in much of the US.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just as the GOP has become the old Confederacy, I think STATE-run third parties MIGHT be viable in some of the old abolitionist states.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t see a third part as NATIONALLY viable unless we persuade unions and the Black Caucus to follow. This is why we’re getting killed on coal. UMWA is following the UAW’s playbook. </p>
<p>Below is a comment I left on the Kirk Murphy, M.D. thread that selise linked to above.</p>
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<p>Seconded.</p>
<p>Everything I’m reading is that Enhanced Geothermal is here right now. Drill baby drill three, four five kilometers down ALL OVER THE US, not just where there are hot springs. </p>
<p>Shoot unheated water down. Let it flow over the hot rocks. Suck it up another pipe It doesn’t have to be boiling, because you’re using a binary turbine. The liquid inside the turbine has a lower boiling point than water. Are coal plants using this technology on their turbines? </p>
<p>The hot rocks only last for ten or twenty years. Then you have to give that well a rest, but it will come back, because the earth’s heat is a constant. All that drilling is a lot of VERY SUSTAINABLE work for the United Mine Workers Geo Thermal Drillers.</p>
<p>It’s not perfect, because you can bring up some nasty gasses from underground, but unlike wind, it’s a stand alone replacement for coal right now. It carries only a fraction of the environmental impace that coal has. GeoThermal spread out over enough wells is very reproducible. </p>
<p>In the summer you can run the turbine faster, by adding some solar heat in spring, summer, and fall. Enhanced GeoThermal runs better in the winter (especially in northern states), because the air is cooler.</p>
<p>The bulk of your costs up front are in the drilling and mud logging.</p>
<p>I’m not against wind or solar, but until the battery technologies improves, they are not stand-alone replacements for coal in much of the US.</p>
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<p>Just as the GOP has become the old Confederacy, I think STATE-run third parties MIGHT be viable in some of the old abolitionist states.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/18/evan-bayh-big-oil-and-coals-great-white-hope-is-open-for-business/#comment-1901596</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great job.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LMAO.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job.</p>
<p>LMAO.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is called      &lt;strong&gt;“Hope a Dope”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is called      <strong>“Hope a Dope”</strong></p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Worth repeating&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“A third party just might be a viable option in 2010. The 2 wings of the Corporate Party don’t seem to be making anybody happy except the ruling elite capitalists.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth repeating</p>
<p><strong>“A third party just might be a viable option in 2010. The 2 wings of the Corporate Party don’t seem to be making anybody happy except the ruling elite capitalists.”</strong></p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/18/evan-bayh-big-oil-and-coals-great-white-hope-is-open-for-business/#comment-1901592</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;woo hoo! looking forward to seeing the pics. and good luck to your friend.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m off too. peace to all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woo hoo! looking forward to seeing the pics. and good luck to your friend.</p>
<p>i’m off too. peace to all.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Emotion seconded&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emotion seconded</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/18/evan-bayh-big-oil-and-coals-great-white-hope-is-open-for-business/#comment-1901589</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we get the hope. the economy, health care, climate and war belong to them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we get the hope. the economy, health care, climate and war belong to them.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m looking forward, SD, to said pix.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘Tis always great to cross threads with you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~D&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m looking forward, SD, to said pix.</p>
<p>‘Tis always great to cross threads with you.</p>
<p>;~D</p>
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