Comments on: FDL Book Salon Welcomes Thomas Ricks – The Gamble: General David Petraeus and the American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2006-2008

By: JeffHuber

JeffHuber — Mon, 18 May 2009 20:29:58 +0000

That’s serious pot-and-kettle talk about Gareth Porter, Tom, coming from the bull feather merchant who helped his old pal Dave Petraeus trick Congress and the public into letting him extend the Iraq war indefinitely. Will America ever catch on to access poisoned stenographers like you who pretend to be journalists?

Jeff Huber

By: MarkH

MarkH — Mon, 18 May 2009 05:54:13 +0000

an appropriate phrase when discussing things military

By: dmac

dmac — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:24:52 +0000

cont’d

i found him again thanks to ‘hugh’, i had forgotten winkenwerder’s name…he has his own file now. an extensive one.
also had dr. steven miles on it-a really interesting man-wrote
‘Oath Betrayed: Torture, Medical Complicity, and the War on Terror’
really good show.
winkenwerder went too far a few times, and backpedaled. fast.weird to listen to it now that we know more of what he knew at the time. i want to know where those surveys went and where that report is.
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/06/06/28.php

10:00Dr. Steven Miles: Oath Betrayed

Dr. Steven Miles details the role of medical professionals in the abuse and neglect of prisoners in U.S. military prisons in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay.
Guests

Dr. Steven Miles, professor of medicine at the University of Minnesota Medical School, practicing physician, medical ethicist, and author

Dr. William Winkenwerder, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs

By: dmac

dmac — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:18:51 +0000

yeah, that would be nice, or i can, through the paper…at the time, in 2006, my question to him was about winkenwerder quoting a different number of ‘black prisons’ than dana quoted in her article…i left out the other part about the torture surveys because it wasn’t yet an issue. it is now. he said it on diane rehm’s 6-28-06 show. has bothered me since.

still digging.

By: libbyliberal

libbyliberal — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:13:36 +0000

Another great quote title is “Something Wicked This Way Comes”, I think from Ray Bradbury short story.

By: macaquerman

macaquerman — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:10:27 +0000

maybe Spencer would be able to forward your question.

By: dmac

dmac — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:10:03 +0000

things come undone, but then turn into something else.

physics–’energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed.’

applies to all things.

later.

p.s. just occurred to me that maybe, mr ricks, that’s what you were trying to say in your response about the afghan people having to be ‘converted’..the law of conversion. applies to all things.
thanks.

By: libbyliberal

libbyliberal — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:08:01 +0000

TCU,

Whoa…thanks for this. It does resonate with Bush demoralization theme. Will read again slowly but skimmed and was impressed.

When I read your moniker I thought it was maybe a quote from wonderful Flannery O’Connor, but then realized I might have been thinking of her “Everything That Rises Must Converge” … not even close. “I am undone” sounds like a common comment in Shakespeare’s plays? “Things come undone” is haunting. Except for third rock stuff, maybe it can be YOURS!!!!

By: dmac

dmac — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:05:30 +0000

thanks for coming, and answering, you too, spencer..

(can’t believe i forgot to ask the question i’ve wondered for three years, until the end..man.)

By: ThingsComeUndone

ThingsComeUndone — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:02:57 +0000

True