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	<title>Comments on: Westlands: 300,000 Acres of Hot Water Perfect for a FOX Teabag</title>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/16/westlands-300000-acres-of-hot-water-perfect-for-a-fox-teabag/#comment-1901182</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 00:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks jkat, but all credit to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/1825084.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Professor Jeffrey Michael&lt;/a&gt; for “nut glut”.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Sure wish I’d thought of that, though *g*]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks jkat, but all credit to <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/1825084.html" rel="nofollow">Professor Jeffrey Michael</a> for “nut glut”.  </p>
<p>[Sure wish I’d thought of that, though *g*]</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow.  I hope you’d consider posting at Oxdown about that, cinnamonape.  That really merits wider reading, and being remembered.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I hope you’d consider posting at Oxdown about that, cinnamonape.  That really merits wider reading, and being remembered.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/16/westlands-300000-acres-of-hot-water-perfect-for-a-fox-teabag/#comment-1901107</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;eggroll, thanks for sharing that information here - you learned me!  And I share your sentiments about the Nice Republican Radio coverage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[The NPR outlets like to say they have no control over NPR central’s program content, but in fact the stations are essentially the whole of “customer base” for NPR’s news programs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every year all the stations go play with NPR central, hold talks, express views.  ANd ever since the wingers got Tomlinson (?sp) IIRC in, the news radio content’s drifted ever rightward.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;NPR sets member stations’ fees for programs (like ME or ATC) according to station memberships. The biggest stations pay most.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The biggest stations - which include almost all of NPR’s “flagship” stations - are in markets so big that almost all have other smaller stations that also carry ME and ATC.  Who cares?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only market tool progressive listeners have is (in area with big stations and other choices) withhold donations to the major NPR station.  Tell them the donations come again when they use their market power to demand ending the Village/Rethug crap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the same time, sendthe donation to the smaller public radio outlets - and Pacifica.]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eggroll, thanks for sharing that information here &#8211; you learned me!  And I share your sentiments about the Nice Republican Radio coverage.</p>
<p>[The NPR outlets like to say they have no control over NPR central’s program content, but in fact the stations are essentially the whole of “customer base” for NPR’s news programs.</p>
<p>Every year all the stations go play with NPR central, hold talks, express views.  ANd ever since the wingers got Tomlinson (?sp) IIRC in, the news radio content’s drifted ever rightward.</p>
<p>NPR sets member stations’ fees for programs (like ME or ATC) according to station memberships. The biggest stations pay most.</p>
<p>The biggest stations - which include almost all of NPR’s “flagship” stations - are in markets so big that almost all have other smaller stations that also carry ME and ATC.  Who cares?</p>
<p>The only market tool progressive listeners have is (in area with big stations and other choices) withhold donations to the major NPR station.  Tell them the donations come again when they use their market power to demand ending the Village/Rethug crap.</p>
<p>At the same time, sendthe donation to the smaller public radio outlets - and Pacifica.]</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 20:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the info, Ione1c - you learned us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, Ione1c &#8211; you learned us.</p>
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		<title>By: lone1c</title>
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		<dc:creator>lone1c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t see a follow-up to this, so let me offer one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Desalination, as it’s practiced today, is largely a distillation method–so the separation is a thermodynamic process, rather than a reaction-based process. That means that there probably isn’t anything being added to the water that wasn’t already there to begin with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In principle, you could use this process to produce salt by evaporating the water from the brine. However, the major issue with desalination–in addition to what to do with the brine–is that it produces water through the consumption of significant amounts of energy (which is required for distillation).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t see a follow-up to this, so let me offer one.</p>
<p>Desalination, as it’s practiced today, is largely a distillation method–so the separation is a thermodynamic process, rather than a reaction-based process. That means that there probably isn’t anything being added to the water that wasn’t already there to begin with.</p>
<p>In principle, you could use this process to produce salt by evaporating the water from the brine. However, the major issue with desalination–in addition to what to do with the brine–is that it produces water through the consumption of significant amounts of energy (which is required for distillation).</p>
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		<title>By: eggroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One more thing, the price of water. For example, under Warren Act contract, water districts in the Central Valley can get water stored and delivered for $16-$20 an acre-foot — over 1.2 million liters of water. Compare that to customer rates of roughly 1 cent or more per liter. Obviously, if you are paying &lt;strong&gt;a thousand times less &lt;/strong&gt;than the going rate, you can afford to role out a full-blown media campaign to be portayed as the victim. Notably, NPR’s John McChesney provided some fairly &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103950335&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fact-free coverage&lt;/a&gt; of the Westland’s water stress, topped with this tear-jerker line from an almond-farmer’s wife on the cut-off of cheap federal water to the district:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Lompas are furious because they blame government, not nature, for the death of their trees. And Janet Lompa tells her four children that “the politicians gave it all to the fish” when they ask why there’s no water.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A perfect smear, hitting the judiciary, democrats at all levels of government, and the fucking Sierra Club. Who needs Fox when you have NPR?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, the price of water. For example, under Warren Act contract, water districts in the Central Valley can get water stored and delivered for $16-$20 an acre-foot — over 1.2 million liters of water. Compare that to customer rates of roughly 1 cent or more per liter. Obviously, if you are paying <strong>a thousand times less </strong>than the going rate, you can afford to role out a full-blown media campaign to be portayed as the victim. Notably, NPR’s John McChesney provided some fairly <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103950335" rel="nofollow">fact-free coverage</a> of the Westland’s water stress, topped with this tear-jerker line from an almond-farmer’s wife on the cut-off of cheap federal water to the district:</p>
<p><em>The Lompas are furious because they blame government, not nature, for the death of their trees. And Janet Lompa tells her four children that “the politicians gave it all to the fish” when they ask why there’s no water.</em></p>
<p>A perfect smear, hitting the judiciary, democrats at all levels of government, and the fucking Sierra Club. Who needs Fox when you have NPR?</p>
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		<title>By: eggroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 10:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Congrats Dr. Murphy on bringing this subject to the fore. Check out the district’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.westlandswater.org/wwd/default2.asp?cwide=1280&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;home page&lt;/a&gt; and you’ll see, among other crops, the water-intense crop cotton. The Central Valley has a colorful history regarding water piracy and politics. For example, the story of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/King-California-Boswell-Making-American/dp/1586480286&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;James G. Boswell&lt;/a&gt;, a cotton farmer from Georgia turned California terraformer. The Boswell’s not only drained the great Tulare Lake, the largest water body in terms of surface area west of the Mississippi river, they picked the mayors, governors and elected representatives in California. Earl Warren, a product of Bakersfield, went on to be a DA, governor of California and SCOTUS chief justice. The Westlands is in the rain shadow of the coastal range, so water deficits are an issue for anyone that farms pistacios, walnuts and almonds on a large scale. You need to create a climate receiving 50-60 inches of rain a year, with the most intense watering from mid-May to mid-September, to avoid stressing the trees. Clearly, nobody has a sustainable strategy on how to do that. Moreover, the farmers get hit going and coming; in a nut glut, walnuts may sell for less than $1 a pound, and when prices are high, people start planting trees.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Dr. Murphy on bringing this subject to the fore. Check out the district’s <a href="http://www.westlandswater.org/wwd/default2.asp?cwide=1280" rel="nofollow">home page</a> and you’ll see, among other crops, the water-intense crop cotton. The Central Valley has a colorful history regarding water piracy and politics. For example, the story of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/King-California-Boswell-Making-American/dp/1586480286" rel="nofollow">James G. Boswell</a>, a cotton farmer from Georgia turned California terraformer. The Boswell’s not only drained the great Tulare Lake, the largest water body in terms of surface area west of the Mississippi river, they picked the mayors, governors and elected representatives in California. Earl Warren, a product of Bakersfield, went on to be a DA, governor of California and SCOTUS chief justice. The Westlands is in the rain shadow of the coastal range, so water deficits are an issue for anyone that farms pistacios, walnuts and almonds on a large scale. You need to create a climate receiving 50-60 inches of rain a year, with the most intense watering from mid-May to mid-September, to avoid stressing the trees. Clearly, nobody has a sustainable strategy on how to do that. Moreover, the farmers get hit going and coming; in a nut glut, walnuts may sell for less than $1 a pound, and when prices are high, people start planting trees.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaR</title>
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		<dc:creator>LindaR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 07:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And of course another tactic of Schwarzenegger’s is to try to declaw state boards like the Water Resources Control Board which defend the fish (and clean water and the water tables) from Big Farma.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course another tactic of Schwarzenegger’s is to try to declaw state boards like the Water Resources Control Board which defend the fish (and clean water and the water tables) from Big Farma.</p>
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		<title>By: Mile23</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mile23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 04:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There *is* an environmental problem in the delta. It’s called ‘climate change.’ The glaciers in the Sierras are shrinking.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There *is* an environmental problem in the delta. It’s called ‘climate change.’ The glaciers in the Sierras are shrinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 04:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i dunno .. but now that you bring it up .. i wonder ‘zacly how much whale dung and dolphin urine are present in a pound of sea salt ..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dunno .. but now that you bring it up .. i wonder ‘zacly how much whale dung and dolphin urine are present in a pound of sea salt ..</p>
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