Bmaz hit this latest chapter in the “Yes we can, but that doesn’t necessarily mean we’re going to” tour on Saturday (and Spencer hit it again this morning), but today, the White House made it official—Bush’s military commissions have now become Obama’s military commissions:
Military commissions have a long tradition in the United States. They are appropriate for trying enemies who violate the laws of war, provided that they are properly structured and administered. In the past, I have supported the use of military commissions as one avenue to try detainees, in addition to prosecution in Article III courts. In 2006, I voted in favor of the use of military commissions. But I objected strongly to the Military Commissions Act that was drafted by the Bush Administration and passed by Congress because it failed to establish a legitimate legal framework and undermined our capability to ensure swift and certain justice against those detainees that we were holding at the time. Indeed, the system of Military Commissions at Guantanamo Bay had only succeeded in prosecuting three suspected terrorists in more than seven years.
Let me see if I’ve got this right: The previous extra-legal system wasn’t up to snuff because it wasn’t codified enough? The new! improved! Obama-era secret trials will be better because they are swifter and more certain? Seriously?
The introductory statement alone, to me, undermines the whole premise that this is by any stretch an acceptable substitute for time-tested United States criminal code prosecution. The point of pre-trial evidentiary hearings and open court trials is to establish guilt or innocence, and to do it in a way that allows society—domestic, and in this case global—to trust in and bind to a social contract.
By setting out to achieve swift and certain justice—no matter how the administration will post hoc parse it—strikes me as something different. It’s legal triage—or, more accurately, extra-legal triage. American detainees are now to be dispo’d like so many patients at a busy, urban ER. Either lock them up or ship them out, as quickly and as quietly as possible. Sign the paperwork, and move on. We’re looking forward; not backward.
The problem with this “no drama” approach? It takes what was the discredited and disallowed—and previously, by candidate Obama, disavowed—process, and makes it precedent.
We have criminal courts, civil courts, and military courts martial, and now, thanks to President Obama we have “military commissions.” With the first three, laws decide where you have standing or where you are tried. With the last, however, it’s up to the president.
Today, the Department of Defense will be seeking additional continuances in several pending military commission proceedings. We will seek more time to allow us time to reform the military commission process. The Secretary of Defense will notify the Congress of several changes to the rules governing the commissions. The rule changes will ensure that: First, statements that have been obtained from detainees using cruel, inhuman and degrading interrogation methods will no longer be admitted as evidence at trial. Second, the use of hearsay will be limited, so that the burden will no longer be on the party who objects to hearsay to disprove its reliability. Third, the accused will have greater latitude in selecting their counsel. Fourth, basic protections will be provided for those who refuse to testify. And fifth, military commission judges may establish the jurisdiction of their own courts.
Take a look at that fifth point—“military commission judges may establish the jurisdiction of their own courts.” One of the lawyers here remarked, “What the fuck does that mean?” Well, IANAL, but here’s what I think it means—or what it will wind up meaning: Judges that answer to the president can decide who should be tried before processed through their commissions. It is a reaffirmation of Bush’s assertion that he could determine who was a special class of prisoner or detainee that could be denied access to the protections provided under the United States Constitution.
It is a reaffirmation of the Bush-era assertion of a unitary executive.
(I just ran that by the aforementioned lawyer, and he disagrees—he thinks it basically says that each judge in each case gets to set the parameters for how the case is handled on an ad hoc basis. Different, but, I think, equally dangerous.)
Overall, the appearance here is that the Obama Administration seeks to make the military commissions “more fair”—but making an inherently unfair process “more fair” still does not make them fair. And the right to a fair trial is one of the bedrocks of our social contract.
[T]he goal of any appropriate prosecution, whether criminal, quasi-criminal or other, is to provide a fair and just trial with due process, to protect the innocent and convict the guilty, and to provide a transparent forum so that the public as a whole can see that justice is being served and done. That is most definitely not what this plan is about. Although clearly the Obama Administration has sought to make some improvements around the edges, it is still nothing but lipstick on the Bush pig.
Other critics—who are also lawyers—have similar concerns:
Constitutional lawyers however have rejected the argument that the tribunals can be improved to make them acceptable and workable. Shayana Kadidal, a Guantánamo lawyer with the New York-based Centre for Constitutional Rights, said that fairness was clearly an issue but no matter how extensively the system was reformed "there is a problem of public confidence in the process both here and overseas".
Kadidal said the tribunals were a "disaster" that played into the hands of the terrorists. "By trying them in a military setting, it allows terrorists to portray themselves as military figures and their victims as ‘collateral damage’."
Golly, that sounds like a bad idea.
Further, it would be my guess that the new plan won’t even accomplish the swift resolutions Obama hopes for and promises. Any new rules, once drafted (and the White House has asked for additional time to draft them), will again be challenged in US courts. Rather than quickly ending a failed Bush policy and bringing the detainees into the established US criminal process, Obama’s attempt to split another baby will only reset the appeals. The president won’t get to put it behind him and look forward, nor will he have the moral clarity to lead the US back to global primacy when it comes to human rights. If the now thankfully banished “war on terror” is really a fight against criminal elements and a battle for hearts and minds, Obama has scored a lose-lose.
Related posts:
- “One of the Great Disappointments of the Obama Administration”: David Frakt Talks Military Commissions, Material Support
- Defense counsel in USA v. KSM, et al petition federal appeals court to end Congress’s segregated, sham Military Commissions
- CAP Report Calls for Postponement of Gitmo Closure
- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to Be Tried in NYC, al-Nashiri by Military Commission, No Mention of Abu Zubaydah; WH Counsel Craig to Resign
- David Kris: Our Only Military Commission Convictions May be Illegal





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OT, but I can’t resist…
California Supremes reverse Prop H8
Yep. Obama’s crapped again and promptly stepped in it.
Great news. I listened to a good bit of the oral arguements and the Qs made it sound like the judges were leaning strongly in the opposite direction.
Ugh.
It’s one thing for them to create their own abominations, but to import and embrace them is quite another.
The last paragraph sketches out the same thing that is happening with torture. Obama wanted to get rid of it as a distraction to his other work, and instead every day comes a new drip, drip, drip. The same thing will happen with commissions. The press will be consumed with them, and the whole thing will just drag on.
The link for “Yes we can, but we didn’t say that we necessarily would” should be http://www.thedailyshow.com/vi…..ral-kombat (”But that doesn’t mean we’re necessarily going to”)
Isn’t it past time for the ‘liberal’ (mass media label) orgs to publicly come out and say Obama is not acting on his campaign promises and is acting like ‘Bush lite’?
In other words, let him know he is losing (and that it’s almost gone a short 4 months after taking office) the ‘base’ (another mass media label).
That link is for May 16,2008 !!! Prop 8 is still in effect afaik.
I doubt Obama cares if this gets tied up in courts. Even if the courts find the military verdicts unconstitutional and let the detainess free, it just means that they won’t be his problem anymore. I have a feeling this whole thing is just a way of punting so he doesn’t have to deal with Republican blowback nonsense about “setting free terrorists” that he knows he could never convict in a regular court of law.
Right eCAHN
Torture issue is a wildfire out of control…
this is pouring water bucketa on an issue that will take a rainstorm to put out.
It ain’t going to go away. His tactics keep revealing how shallow his thinking is…starting with his staff selection…flip flop on FISA
All proggressive talk with a liberal walk. The wingers are giving more pushback than we are. I am what I am so make me do there.
I have to admit, I wasn’t as concerned with the photos as I am this. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, and just because Obama is (a little, at least) more philosophically palatable to me, that still doesn’t make secret trials right.
Shallow. What a great word for the man. I’ve been describing him as someone who gives a good speech, but the reason why I have never thought more highly of him than that is because he’s shallow. Thanks.
As I commented on alank’s oxdwon diary on this subject
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5289
Yes, Obama has to be careful about Republican blowback because, let’s see, only 21% of Americans identify as Republicans.
Well, he obviously cares about it, otherwise he wouldn’t be giving into it. Although, personally, I think he believes that the independents will buy into the whole “OMGZ the terrorists are coming” fearmongering, and I’m not sure he’s wrong about that.
If Obama had any leadership skills, he could easily fend off cries from the right about terrorism. People are pretty sick of that. Unless, of course, Obama’s afraid himself.
Thanks Gregg.
If Gitmo is to be closed and its prisoners sent to the US or released, there’s no reason its remaining prisoners can’t be tried in US courts. They regularly deal with depraved criminals, white collar or blue. They can handle a few in a turban.
The purpose in using “military commissions” is to enable the use of “evidence” that would never be allowed in a real court, because it was tainted by torture or by negligent handling or record-keeping. It is to keep defense attorneys as legally shackled as their prisoners are physically, and to hide the proceedings behind the invisibility cloak of “national security”.
Military commissions are not needed in this case. They are an affront to the rule of law. They enable torture and radical views of presidential power. Their use here would institutionalize the abuse of power known as the Cheney presidency.
Mr. Obama seems as much in thrall of [some of] his generals as he is to K Street’s lobbyists for corporate insurers and Wall Street banks. No change here, nothing much to believe in.
What would you do with KSM? He’s been tortured so he can’t be tried in a U.S. court. Would you release him?
I don’t think Obama is giving in to anyone. He is doing exactly the things he wants to do: FISA, the TARP, Iraq, Afghanistan, state secrets, torture prosecutions, torture photos, Geithner and Summers, a weak stimulus. Nobody is pushing him around. The scary truth is that he believes in this shit. He is a conservative.
The media keep promoting this clownish portrayal of his bipartisanship and reaching out to conservatives. That he is a uniter yadda, yadda, yadda. But since his election Obama has made exactly zero effort to reach out to progressives or even the base of his own party. Why? Because he is a conservative. Just because he is not as crazy as Boehner or McConnell doesn’t mean he isn’t conservative as hell. You don’t have to believe me, but do look at his record.
Let’s not underestimate what a brutal situation Obama is in with this detainee problem. The Bush/Cheney torture policies make it near impossible to try these people in a normal court of law; almost all the evidence against them is tainted. Any honest judge in a normal US court would have to release most of them, if not all, and that would be a political disaster. My assumption is that there are a few guys we have there that actually are dangerous (even a blind squirrel finds a few nuts), and the rest might have become so under this sort of treatment. No other country seems to want to deal with this hot potato either, so Obama is stuck with it.
Honestly, what would you guys do with these people at this point?
I’m with hugh. I don’t see him as acting particularly progressive in these very important areas. i don’t know if it’s punting or what, all i know is that it’s the same old shit coming out of a shiny new can.
Fixed wording and link–thanks!
I wouldn’t necessarily call him “Bush lite”–that won’t get him or his people to listen to you–but I would point out where he is straying from his promises, and point out why that will actually turn out to be counterproductive to his long-term goals, and even detrimental to his possibility for reelection.
as you point out, this was known by many prior to the election.
such misgivings were drowned out by the imperative to support the Least Worst, which would somehow lead to the Greater Good!
this least worst is now pretty bad in many areas, sometimes even surpassing Bush/Cheney outrages, as Glenn Greenwald often details.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
so perhaps it is time for ‘Progressives’ to re-evaluate some of their tactics and strategies?
or is all this carping in odd numbered years just cathartic bluster, and everyone will vote Democrat, no matter what, in even numbered years, like always?
“They are appropriate for trying enemies who violate the laws of war”
..and who we have spent years torturing and otherwise abusing.”
The U.S. would never elect the first black prez if he were not a conservative. He cuts thru the Rs’ charicature of him be his demeanor. Voters got it.
let me just add that at least the carping and complaining is better than the apologia for torture, the concealment of horrible photographs, Military Commissions, bombing of civilians, etc that True Believer Obama supporters find themselves being forced to undertake, reversing themselves as needed when the Leader reverses himself.
Actually that would be a decision for the US courts to make. There are really two issues here: one is how detainees were treated and the other is what evidence is there outside of the products of torture against them. In the cases of terrorists like KSM, there is actually a lot of other evidence to convict him on. If you look at previous terrorist convictions in this country, the evidentiary bar is very low and the courts very lenient toward the prosecution.
If I had to guess, I would think that a KSM case would end up before SCOTUS and decided on the grounds I outlined above, or SCOTUS might just deny cert on a defense appeal and leave the decision with the appeals or district court decision.
Like appointing a superfund polluter lawyer to head DOJ’s Environment Division?
They should all not only be set free as soon as possible but be permitted to file civil lawsuits against the government of which the military is a part — so they say.
Excellent post. Thanks.
I know there’s a lot of non-torture evidence on KSM, but they probably extracted all that stuff by torture as well, so KSM’s lawyer would try to get it all excluded on that basis.
I didn’t vote for Obama. He lost my support in July 2008 when he reneged on his pledge to oppose the FISA Amendments Act with its retroactive grant of immunity for telecoms.
Yet more evidence of where Obama was coming from and where he was going.
cheers Hugh. that sure was a watershed moment.
Well, I think it’s a relative term. I don’t think any conservative worth their salt would pass a trillion-dollar budget, make abortion more accessible, or lessen restrictions on stem cell research. He’s certainly conservative on some issues, and far more than most of us would like, but to call him an out-and-out conservative is blurring things a bit in my opinion.
whoa!
missed that one, I’ll add it to my files. my departure from Democratic Party delusions was hastened by Bill Clinton’s atrocious environmental record – maybe Obama will offer some competition in that area as well.
All progressive talk with a conservative walk.
Based on some of the duplicity coming out of the Obama administration, the president really needs to refresh himself on a particular Abraham Lincoln quote -
“I walk slowly, but I never walk backward.”
Oh come on, Bush passed one deficit budget after another. The national debt exploded under him just as it did during Ronald Reagan’s Presidency. If the last 8 years taught us anything it is that Republicans are crazy profligate when it comes to money.
As for choice and stem cells, those were issues only for the religious right. Again just because Obama isn’t as extreme a conservative as George Bush doesn’t make him a liberal or even a centrist.
Before condemning this, I would like to know more about it.
Clearly, these detainees should be afforded procedural and substantive due process. Whether the federal district courts are the best venue for doing so, is for me an open question.
“and that would be a political disaster. “; for whom? For the President who stands up for the ideals of this nation when it comes to ‘law and order’ or for the previous Administration?
It certainly wouldn’t be a ‘political disaster’ when it comes to the rest of the world; it would actually enhance our ‘moral standing’ when it comes time for us to criticize others; do you not see the link between what we have done and the Israeli atrocities and what is happening in Sri Lanka?
All Obama is doing is poisoning his own well.
Obama = Neo-Lib
100 days is enough time for a ruler to establish his priorities. For Obama, it looks like this:
1. Reinforce the entrenched economic dominance of the investment banking cartel; indemnify major players from financial loss.
2. Consolidate the military occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan; neutralize Iran and prepare the foundation for expansion into Pakistan.
3. Clamp a lid on political excesses of the outgoing regime; ensure loyalty of military and CIA via guarantees of immunity from prosecution.
4. Stonewall on health insurance reform to give major insurers time to distribute congressional campaign donations.
Jane is upstairs!
If Anyone Knows About Lying to the House, it’s Gingrich
On what basis would you hold him? If you have no proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and can find none that would be admissible or that you haven’t tainted by torturing him or the witness, what do you do? Pull a Cheney and keep people imprisoned for life because you’re afraid something might happen? Where would you stop?
But why not try him with admissible evidence and let a jury decide? We let Capone go for years before finding him guilty for evading taxes. There are organized crime leaders and drug lords who’ve never seen a prison. We don’t render them because their crimes or drugs might or do lead to many deaths. We build a case and take it to court. Only Cheney would pretend he can just hold ‘em forever ’cause he wants to.
I’m not saying this is the wrong approach necessarily. But there are certain realities, and when election time comes, the people won’t hear all the good, reasonable and honorable arguments we here all accept; all they will hear is that Obama released all the terrorists. He is struggling mightily to find a legal way to transition these people to a real incarceration when it is justified. Honestly, with what little I know, there’s no way to do it.
I have to say though, I still have faith in the man, and I want to see how it all plays out before I decide this was a mistake.
“Military commissions have a long tradition in the United States.”
Name when they were used.
Swopa is upstairs!
As California Drowns in Red Ink, Schwarzenegger Offers a Mix of Drastic Cuts and Political Gimmicks
BBC has an announcement that Boumediene has been released today and has been sent to France where he will reunite with his family. I have not seen this reported in US papers yet. Does the Friday news cycle have something to do with it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8052728.stm
One could view this announcement as confirmation there is wither no evidence to convince the kidnapped, or if there is evidence it’s so badly tainted that any court would throw out the case.
These kangaroo courts are because there are only two potions for the kidnapped – try then or release them. This is a tacit admission that trials in an ordinary court would result is freeing all the kidnapped.
“The Empire Strikes Back”
All you need to know about Obama is he’s not going to the mat for Dawn Johnsen but says he will for Arlen Specter.
And what of the innocents who were swept up in Bush’s bounty hunts? Do we just deny them their rights and condemn them to indefinite detention via secret trials because Cheney et al have tortured then so much they might turn into actual terrorists?
As for any actual terrorists… the Bush regime blew any chance of ever gaining legitimate convictions when they tortured their prisoners.
And furthermore through their clumsy attempts at “quick-rinse” interrogations… the supposedly coercion-free after-torture sessions designed to wash away the stain of torture from the coerced testimony… Bush and company have also blown any chance of ever gaining convictions on those charges.
At least in a court of law.
And secret trials before military commissions cannot be regarded as a court of law.
We made our bed when our President, Obama, refused to hold Bush et al accountable for their crimes… and now we must sleep in it.
Obama = Bush = criminal
We were had! This administration is so busy with immunizing the criminals that they have become the criminals.
That moaning with pleasure you hear is the sound of Bush enjoying his Obama foot massage.
Bush and Cheney must have figured out that after they raped the world this legal mess would stop
the Democrats from changing our laws and rights back where they belong.
All of this Torture in our Justice system will take years to come justice if it ever will.
We have based our Justice System on the Rat system for years.
People that break into your home get the same punishment as someone with 2 oz of weed.
Our prisons are full of people that are just addicts.
Bush started a war that could have started a world war and might just do that now.
Obama has done a good job with a situation like this.
It is going to take years to get us above a 3rd world status in the eyes of the world. The world has
a good reason not to trust this country. We have more than enough arms to end the world and we are the only
country that has used nukes. Just look at the countries that we have armed.
Bush was talking about Iran next and we wonder why they are trying to arm themselves with nukes.
If you want to make friends you invite them to dinner and help them when you can. Obama and Clinton have enough brains to understand this. It is hard to believe that we have had leaders that feel calling people evil is a good tactic.
The fact that we have lost thousands of young men and women because of this attitude is sad.
I am 67 years old and I have always told my GrandChildren to think before you get behind a cause that you have no control of. The cause has to be greater than ones self. Oil and Money do not fall into that.
The whole thing should drag on. For almost a year before the election I produced screeds about Nobama (my coinage) the empty suit, trojan horse. He has no priciples, no loyaly to anyone but his Wall Street buds and Chicage hack acolytes. His judicial philosophy is an oxymoron. This (not a racial reference) will sell every promise he makes because he is committed to nothing, not least of which is the Cobstitution. He was a guaranteed me too in the Senate on Iraq, a back bencher who went along to get along. His advisors are arrogant pols and lobbyists for the super rich. This guy just Bush with a better rap. When the bottom falls out we will lose our only chance to recover our souls.
Exactl! His campaign debates revealed his opposition to universal health care, eagerness to bomb Pakistan, support for nuclear power as an alternative energy source. He appeared totally cowed by Hilary and turned snotty when a nerve was touched. While Hillary was not my first choice she would not be a tool (in every sense) of the worst corporate and Beltway fixers. Obama was a gift Senator (see Alan Keyes, his straw man opponent). He kept his mouth shut and vooted the worst Bush proposals including the bankruptcy exception for credit card comapanies, illegal wiretapping, scrapping FISA. More mportantly he never returned to D.C. to vote on SCHIP override of veto. Nothing is more important than Nobama.
Right again and well put.
His first instinct self-interest and he’s not even good at knowing what that is.
“They are appropriate for trying enemies who violate the laws of war”
Enemies… foreign and domestic?