Comments on: Late Night: Elephants on Parade http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:35:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: bobpine http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899989 bobpine Sat, 16 May 2009 15:06:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899989 <p>Gregg:<br /> This morning you are the”carpenter”for you hit the nail right on the head.</p> Gregg:
This morning you are the”carpenter”for you hit the nail right on the head.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899897 cinnamonape Sat, 16 May 2009 05:15:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899897 <p>Al Nashiri certainly never claimed as such. He may have been the first one water boarded. They got him to confess to the USS Cole attacks, a host of other efforts to attack shipping (including one to crash a commercial jet into a ship…good luck arranging the logistics on THAT!). They got him to confess to rocket attacks and bombings in Saudi Arabia. They even got him to confess that bin Laden had obtained A NUCLEAR WEAPON!</p> <p>Al Nashiri recanted all these confessions and several more (that apparently were so absurd that even the Pentagon would not charge him with them. Eventually the Pentagon dropped all charges but three…as they realized the judge was not going to allow anything but independent evidence but not the confessions under torture.</p> <p>So they said that al Nashiri used a false passport, had been involved with making bombs, and had obtained a small boat before the USS Cole attacks from which he had “performed surveillance”. He apparently didn’t even get the boat that was used in the Cole attack.</p> <p>In February of this year the military judge “dismissed all charges, without prejudice”. That’s how bad the case against Najeri was, without the torture.</p> Al Nashiri certainly never claimed as such. He may have been the first one water boarded. They got him to confess to the USS Cole attacks, a host of other efforts to attack shipping (including one to crash a commercial jet into a ship…good luck arranging the logistics on THAT!). They got him to confess to rocket attacks and bombings in Saudi Arabia. They even got him to confess that bin Laden had obtained A NUCLEAR WEAPON!

Al Nashiri recanted all these confessions and several more (that apparently were so absurd that even the Pentagon would not charge him with them. Eventually the Pentagon dropped all charges but three…as they realized the judge was not going to allow anything but independent evidence but not the confessions under torture.

So they said that al Nashiri used a false passport, had been involved with making bombs, and had obtained a small boat before the USS Cole attacks from which he had “performed surveillance”. He apparently didn’t even get the boat that was used in the Cole attack.

In February of this year the military judge “dismissed all charges, without prejudice”. That’s how bad the case against Najeri was, without the torture.

]]> By: perris http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899893 perris Sat, 16 May 2009 05:12:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899893 <p>if the republicans want to save their party they better cut dick loose and FAST</p> <p>THEY better demand investigations</p> <p>if bush wants to save ANY “legacy” he thinks he can save, he BETTER disclaim what cheney did in on his behalf and in his name, he BETTER call for the investigation into these events</p> <p>bush can actually take the high ground, say he was lied to by cheney/rumsfeld and let those cookies land where they might but he BETTER just cut this guy loose</p> if the republicans want to save their party they better cut dick loose and FAST

THEY better demand investigations

if bush wants to save ANY “legacy” he thinks he can save, he BETTER disclaim what cheney did in on his behalf and in his name, he BETTER call for the investigation into these events

bush can actually take the high ground, say he was lied to by cheney/rumsfeld and let those cookies land where they might but he BETTER just cut this guy loose

]]> By: perris http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899890 perris Sat, 16 May 2009 05:09:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899890 <blockquote><p>So rather than “torture” to save “American Lives”, Cheney demanded torture so he could post-hoc justify the sacrifice of American lives. Seems like the gigantic Dick move we’ve come to expect.</p> </blockquote> <p>I need to make it even more clear;</p> <p>Cheney was informed by every single intelligence gathering agency in the country, there is NO link between AL qaeada and Saddam, the FBI told him, the CIA told him, Clark told him, EVERYONE told him</p> <p>he ordered torture SPECIFICALLY to get information HE KNEW WAS FALSE</p> <p>this is not, “to prove a link” this was “to get a lie that you know is a lie”</p> <p>here’s the scenario, not verbatum but this IS what happened</p> <p>when cheney told the cia to get the information the cia told him, there is no information, there was no link</p> <p>cheney told them, “use high pressure methods”</p> <p>the cia said, “that will give us false information”</p> <p>and cheney said;</p> <p>“so?”</p>

So rather than “torture” to save “American Lives”, Cheney demanded torture so he could post-hoc justify the sacrifice of American lives. Seems like the gigantic Dick move we’ve come to expect.

I need to make it even more clear;

Cheney was informed by every single intelligence gathering agency in the country, there is NO link between AL qaeada and Saddam, the FBI told him, the CIA told him, Clark told him, EVERYONE told him

he ordered torture SPECIFICALLY to get information HE KNEW WAS FALSE

this is not, “to prove a link” this was “to get a lie that you know is a lie”

here’s the scenario, not verbatum but this IS what happened

when cheney told the cia to get the information the cia told him, there is no information, there was no link

cheney told them, “use high pressure methods”

the cia said, “that will give us false information”

and cheney said;

“so?”

]]> By: neurophius http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899880 neurophius Sat, 16 May 2009 05:01:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899880 <p>Dick Cheney should be behind bars for the rest of his life.</p> Dick Cheney should be behind bars for the rest of his life.

]]> By: bigbrother http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899879 bigbrother Sat, 16 May 2009 04:55:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899879 <p>Cheney was the big swinging dick of big carbon and the resource wars to keep the MIC fired up…he has the connects…will the wingers throw him under the bus….they owe him big time?</p> <p>I guess you could say he is their Dick. S)</p> Cheney was the big swinging dick of big carbon and the resource wars to keep the MIC fired up…he has the connects…will the wingers throw him under the bus….they owe him big time?

I guess you could say he is their Dick. S)

]]> By: bigbrother http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899878 bigbrother Sat, 16 May 2009 04:51:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899878 <p>Just watcged Rachel’s report…she hammered it.<br /> The new Dem perspercasity…tell it like it is. Just beaytiful truth…music to my ears. If you bad you wear it. Go Rachel.</p> Just watcged Rachel’s report…she hammered it.
The new Dem perspercasity…tell it like it is. Just beaytiful truth…music to my ears. If you bad you wear it. Go Rachel.

]]> By: Suzanne http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899877 Suzanne Sat, 16 May 2009 04:50:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899877 <p>i figure veep dick got used to being a big dick and he’s not adjusting well to being an old has been of a dick.</p> i figure veep dick got used to being a big dick and he’s not adjusting well to being an old has been of a dick.

]]> By: Hmmm http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899876 Hmmm Sat, 16 May 2009 04:48:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899876 <p>About the most remarkable part of the whole story seems to be that <em>even with torture</em>, we can infer Dick’s guys <strong>still</strong> couldn’t get a single prisoner to say in any convincing way that there was an AQ-Iraq link.</p> <p>Can you <em>imagine</em> how pissed a Dick R. Bruce C. must have been at that point…</p> About the most remarkable part of the whole story seems to be that even with torture, we can infer Dick’s guys still couldn’t get a single prisoner to say in any convincing way that there was an AQ-Iraq link.

Can you imagine how pissed a Dick R. Bruce C. must have been at that point…

]]> By: AZ Matt http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899875 AZ Matt Sat, 16 May 2009 04:42:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/late-night-elephants-on-parade-7/#comment-1899875 <p>VP Dick is a wiennie</p> VP Dick is a wiennie

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