ZED…Zed is dead…long live Zed and America’s own Big Dick!!

you awake again!

Citizen Raven:

Up so early ta terrorize the birds this AM? When do ya go on yer anniversary fish hunt?

We go on D-Day, the 6th of June! I get about 7 hours and that seems to be plenty. Sittin here with the critters waiting to awake the princess at 6:24!

Good morning all. Where’s our troll? Come out, come out where ever you are.

The pathetic bullshit effort to make any discussion on Bush/Cheney torture a debate is beginning to wear very thin with me. It has been clear for some time that Cheney ordered people tortured. Some died. He is a murderer and a criminal. How can there be something to debate there?

I’m talking to you, Lindsay Graham. Craven, spinless, souless coward. Saving lives is not a metric for legality. The Constitution, US Laws (and just so you know Lindsay, Treaties and Conventions ratified by the Senate and signed by a President are by definition U.S. LAW) are not conditional. Oh yeah, what you call a man does NOT change the fact that he remains a man.

The Democrats really need to stop the “debate” on when torture is OK. It is, very simply, never OK or legal.

Trollboy where are you? Come out and defend your murderer.

Oh yeah, trollboy, bring your DD-214.

Tell it snow. There’s a shot of squeaky Graham wearin his bdu’s with the bird on the collar!

Cbl tells me he was JAG. Amazing.

He retired as a Col.? Figures. Just so everybody knows, a full Col. that musters out does so only because he has NO CHANCE of becoming a General. So Lindsay was judged not good enough for a senior leadership position with the U.S. Military.

He’s still in:

Graham decided to join the United States Air Force in 1982, and served on active duty until 1988. Following his departure he stayed in the military, joining the South Carolina Air National Guard[1] and the U.S. Air Force Reserves. During the Gulf War, he was recalled to active duty, serving as a Judge Advocate at McEntire Air National Guard Station in Eastover, South Carolina, where he helped brief departing pilots on the laws of war.

In 2004, Graham received a promotion to Colonel in the U.S. Air Force Reserves at a White House ceremony officiated by President George W. Bush.

Graham served in Iraq as a reservist on active duty for short periods during April and two weeks in August 2007, where he worked on detainee and rule-of-law issues.[2] That makes him the only Iraq war veteran serving in the United States Senate. In December 2008 Graham served 5 days at Camp Eggers in Kabul, Afghanistan, working with military lawyers.

Typical Air Force, I bet he got TDY pay for those 16 days!

Good morning, pups. It’s Collins and Kristof today. Ms. Collins, in “Trouble on Air Obama,” says to stop building presidential helicopters that have already cost taxpayers $3.2 billion in an attempt to avoid appearing wasteful would be exactly that. Mr. Kristof tells us “What a Little Vitamin A Could Do.” He says over half a million children die or go blind each year because they are vitamin A deficient. There’s a simple fix: inexpensive supplements.

Here they are.

The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got Thomas’ English muffins with a selection of jams. Al the porch kitteh came for breakfast, so he’s exploring around the house while we wait until it’s time to take him off to Dr. Pam to have his “Power Balls” removed. (The suggestion was made on Tuesday morning that “powderpuffs” wasn’t a suitable term, and I concur.) Have a great day.

Figures that Graham would be a member of the Xtianist branch of the U.S. military.

If there were pics of Cheney jerking off over the torture, Obama wouldn’t release them.

End of hearing on cspan. Grahan sez congress will pass a law allowing for indefinite detention.

if a bullfrog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass when he hopped either

This is why I believe George Bush & Dick Cheney had a live stream of Saddam Hussein’s hanging. Sadistic assholes who find pleasure in watching someone die, be tortured, or raped. Sick.

Zelikow sez they did it because it works and because it’s legal.

By the way, Harold Ford wants us all to know that he truly is a democrat. Oh please Harold! Unless you start acting like one, then there is no way in hell we’re going to believe that you’re NOT a republican! Idiot.

If Obama had a dick, he’d release the pics, prosecute W et al, fire Geithner, Summers, etc. etc.

Has this ever made it to the network news shows? I haven’t been able to watch nighttime tv for over a week so I’m in the dark. Is it only online or has it been reported on CNN etc.?

I’m watching that too. I had to laugh when he found it necessary to say he’s a democrat (just in case anyone was confused).

Graham wants Pelosi to testify. You see, torture was not illegal, but it’s all Pelosi’s fault.

And of course the charge will stick because the Ds are too lame to counter it.

I dimly recall Graham having had a somewhat reasonable position on torture at the beginning, or at least on Gitmo, and at least for a Republican. And I thought it was because he had been a JAG. Obviously someone talked to him, or he had a change of heart, or my memory is defective. Sad case of a man, in any event.

Obama’s on my TV being hortatory about Sri Lanka. They should stop killing civilians. I’d like to see their responsive presser, saying that they’ll stop killing civilians right after Obama does.

Now Obama sez pics are not sensational. Well then, ahole, release them.

Mornin’, gang -

Just finished watching part of a rerun of the torture hearing yesterday and I’m pretty well pissed at Sheldon Whitehouse. If his catching a plane was so much more important than leaving graham to finish running the meeting, he should have just bloody well rescheduled it. The rush, rush, rush nature of the way such an important hearing was concluded pretty much negated its value.

Yeah, I know that’s unrealistic but, still and all the same, Whitehouse, in a number of respects, really did a botch-up piss poor job of chairing yesterday. ymmv

Citizen oldnslow:

I think trollboy is tired a bein’ used for target practice…don’t call the poor bastard out this AM I don’t wanna put up with his bullshit.

Well, at least Whitehouse had enough time to have his colorist adjust his hair color from purple on Rachel the night before to gray during the hearing. Got to get his priorities straight.

We lambasted him here on FDL yesterday, so this must mean he reads FDL and knows that we are onto him.

Oh my goodness, whore Richard Myers has written a book on the 9/11 attacks. Nice to have a book that is off my to-read list.

I dunno why eCahn but I’m not that excited about the picture decision. For me, this is one instance where I’d prefer the 1,000 words of the memos and reports over a picture. We need to know how these decisions were made, when, by whom, how they were carried out and who in Congress knew what and when. For me, the photos won’t add much to that. Besides, they’ll probably be released eventually. From a political perspective the toture issue is turning into a spectacle what with the Cheney family insisting on making assholes of themselves and some media people lapping it up. It’s a necessary one spectacle but the limited attention span of the media and most Americans and the photos will ensure that it will not be topic A for much longer and other stuff – like health care – will be a focus. I don’t think that’s a bad thing.

It’s hard to imagine the priorities of our public servants when you look at the votes, legislation, policies and public statements they make. We’ve come to expect the greed, lack of ethics, cognitive dissonance from the Rs but the Ds have proven they are cast from the same lot.

What’s going on? Are people who go into politics and “public service” all intellectually and ethically challenged greedy self serving twits? Or is the sytem corrupting people who may have began with the best intentions and by the time they get into a decision position they’ve inevitably been ruined forever?

How can the senate NOT see that urury is illegal? Whose interests are they serving by not capping interest? Why can’t they get on the right side of the law, along with the rest of the world and 99.99% of the people and condemn torture and punish those who engaged in it? How can they protect a few uber wealthy individuals (investors) and the companies they use to steal wealth from the people? Why are we waging expensive wars which only engender hatred for our government around the world? And why do we always see international problems as a “threat to our security”. We really have been failed by our government and especially the Ds who are as bad as the Rs.

I couldn’t believe how tight Lindsey’s nylons were around his testicles during the hearing yesterday. The man was very impatient and looked like he wanted to run from the room at any given time!

Lindsey would have been a good Brownshirt for Hitler. True and loyal to his boss to the end.

What a PR genius. He learned from Raygun that you sound good and do bad and smile and everyone likes you. What a jerk.

they all do. Saw hannity for as long as I could stomach last night and KKKarl Rove was saying the same thing. Such an obvious diversion. As for Pelosi, I can’t imagine she would make a statement as unequivocal as hers if she was lying. And Hoyer is being a jerk and agreeing with them.

It’s not the worst decision that Obama has made, but it is certainly one that paints him right in the hypocrisy corner that he’s chosen to hang out in.

Well, he’s a far sight better than most of what we’ve got in Washington with a (D) after their names; may be that’s why I am so extra disappointed in him. Yeah, yeah, yeah…….don’t *ever* put your hopes in a pol….they’ll let ya down every (or nearly every) time.

I coul;dn’t believe the vote was so overwhelming. Guess I’m naive. Or something. Drogin deserves some credit. there are credit card companies in his state presumably b/c it allows high interest rates. but he voted for it.

Gotta get going to a meeting. See y’all later.

Citizen KayInMaine:

No, Poor Opie would’ve gone down with the creator of the Brownshirts, the homosexual street thug who Hitler had murdered in his bed with a couple a his “boys” (I think his name was Rohnne or some such spellin’). The prototypes for America’s “he-men master race” didn’t truck no queers in their parades.

Obama clips of commencement speech on CNN right now. He did a good job of tweaking the idiots’ decision not to award him a degree and that quip about their administration needing to be on the look-out for the IRS was a hoot. Guess the reich wingers will be grinding their teeth today about his “threats”. :-(

I only saw a bit of the hearing – but Ali Soufan testifying from behind that screen, answering Graham’s questions, seemed to be a situation ripe for comedy.

I kept hoping he’d say something like ”Senator, I’ll come out when you come out.”

So rather than “torture” to save “American Lives”, Cheney demanded torture so he could post-hoc justify the sacrifice of American lives. Seems like the gigantic Dick move we’ve come to expect.

you make a great point but another other must also be made;

every agency, every interrogator told cheney there was NO link and the vice president was WELL aware there was no link

however he demanded they create the link anyway, he wanted FALSE evidence, he knew there was no link long before we attacked

when they said there is no link he said, “so?” get the link anyway

Dorgan

LOL

I kept hoping he’d say something like ”Senator, I’ll come out when you come out.”

Gotta be the lawyer giving you all the good lines. Can’t remember which thread I saw you on yesterday? or what it was exactly, but you produced another beaut. Tks for the smiles!

edit: oops, BfL……the credit goes to jayt.

yes it does. it was a great line. all i did was LOL.

on that topic… is Graham married? he is, right?

That vote depressed the hell out of me. It gives me little hope for meaningful healthcare reform. There’s absoulutely no justification for that vote and I’ll donate/work for anyone that challenges the crooks who voted with the banks.

BfL @ 45 – (spit! I’m really havin’ problems with hitting the “reply” buttons today.)

I’m assuming yes……..but, as with crist, a piece of paper does not a so-called *traditional* marriage make. ;-)

on that topic… is Graham married? he is, right?

I don’t think so. Went to wiki and graham’s website. Neither mention marriage.

three dollar bill wiki or not

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It gives me little hope for meaningful healthcare reform.

Given the way votes have been going (like the credit card one), I’m laboring under the assumption they’re gonna screw up health care worse than it already is. :-(((

Nope, definitely not. From Down With Tyranny:

Lindsey Graham (R-SC), an unmarried/never married 52 year old with a funny, forced way of walking, has been far more fastidious with his homosexuality. Again, “everyone” knows– except the voters in conservative South Carolina. Not that it doesn’t come up from time to time; people talk. In fact, the head of the Democratic Party in South Carolina said something when the effeminate Lindsey decided to run for Thurmond’s senate seat. “He’s a little too light in the loafers” to succeed Strom Thurmond. Graham got into a really queenie tizzy fit and loudly threatened to sue– although he didn’t. (They never do.)

From 1931 the SA was led by a radical anti-capitalist, Ernst Röhm.

Tester is proving to be a huge disappointment.

THEY never do wtf?

Ernst Roehm.

health care for insurance companies. :(

Ain’t that the truth! He’s proving to be pretty much worthless; too bad we can’t send ‘em back when they hit the “use by” date. May be it’s Monday night quarterbacking (or whatever the heck the term is) but I had a sort of “off” feeling about him *before* the election.

‘xactly.

Off on an errand….catch up with you guys in the next thread.

my old man used to say you couldn’t look up a dead horses ass

My copy of Secrets of the Temple should arrive today. Have you finished reading it?

Webb hasn’t been much help either.

Rain….cancel the errand.

Hmmmmm, I need a translation on that one, please.

Remember Webb’s wonderful essay on the gap in wealth. Never heard that again.

Right on Tester as well.

Interesting….Barbara Starr (sp?) just saying on CNN that the photos they won’t release consist of two categories: “illegal” ones soldiers took and ones the military took for “forensics” purposes.

great! and no, i have only just started secrets of the temple… and was thinking of putting it aside temporarily for galbraith’s book (salon is the 24th), but that one is short.

I’m either gonna have to suggest books written quite a while ago for the Book Saloon or hit the Lotto so’s I can stay home and read. Grant Smith’s Foreign Agents is coming with Secrets. Want to read that before I really get into The Israel Lobby. OK, though, I’ve only got 3 going now.

lol!

well, if you are going to start secrets soon, i’ll put it on the front burner.

I’d prolly never read it if the Fed wasn’t at the center of all this shit. I try to read at least 1 chapter of each book each evening, depending on length. Reading Capital in conjunction with David Harvey’s class really put a crimp in reading other stuff at the same time. I’ll start Secrets when it gets here but it’s gonna play second fiddle to the Israel lobby stuff.

I’d prolly never read it if the Fed wasn’t at the center of all this shit.

that’s the only reason i got too.

a chapter a day is about my speed. am interested in what you learn from the israel lobby stuff. for some reason i haven’t been tempted to read up on that, but am still interested.

Smith’s America’s Defense Line will blow your mind. A concerted effort by US Zionists to formulate US policy towards Israel. Foreign Agents continues the tale. One theme throughout is how their efforts are damaging both the US and Israel in the long term. Also appears in Meirsheimer and Walt’s The Israel Lobby. Seems they’re geniuses like the GOP. *g* heh

thanks.

well, just added them to my book list (i’d need 6 lifetimes to get through it though). good to have some recommendations in case something happens to spark my interest.