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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING: Pelosi Says the CIA is Lying</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/breaking-pelosi-says-%e2%80%9cthe-cia-is-lying%e2%80%9d/#comment-1899162</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sometimes a thing begins and the dynamic just carries it and people along. I trust Pelosi and expect we’ll find it was some politicization at the CIA by the Bushies. One more nail in the coffin.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes a thing begins and the dynamic just carries it and people along. I trust Pelosi and expect we’ll find it was some politicization at the CIA by the Bushies. One more nail in the coffin.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/breaking-pelosi-says-%e2%80%9cthe-cia-is-lying%e2%80%9d/#comment-1899115</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, in the one and only briefing she got…waterboarding was not mentioned. She learned of the waterboarding in 2003 when Jane Harman wrote a letter of disgust and through her staffer who attended a briefing around the same time for her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, in the one and only briefing she got…waterboarding was not mentioned. She learned of the waterboarding in 2003 when Jane Harman wrote a letter of disgust and through her staffer who attended a briefing around the same time for her.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Denny Hastert was the republican Speaker of the House in 2002 &amp; 2003, so what the hell did he do when he found about waterboarding? Huh? Nothing! Just spent his days covering up the crimes of the Bush Regime!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denny Hastert was the republican Speaker of the House in 2002 &amp; 2003, so what the hell did he do when he found about waterboarding? Huh? Nothing! Just spent his days covering up the crimes of the Bush Regime!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pelosi may have not been complicit, but her behavior and that of other Democrats involved were not exactly profiles in courage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Told waterboarding would be legal, though assured it wouldn’t be employed? She concluded that we needed to elect a new leadership… damn right. Then she did hear that the techniques were being used, but she wasn’t the ranking members anymore. She worked hard to get the GOP voted out of power. I believe more could have been done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, I’m happy to see Pelosi get this out there, and hopefully out of the way, as this is another distraction from where the real scandal lies: with the Executive Branch as it ran under Bush, and on how DoD and CIA still operate today under the Army Field Manual’s Appendix M (which no politician, I’d note, ever mentions).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi may have not been complicit, but her behavior and that of other Democrats involved were not exactly profiles in courage.</p>
<p>Told waterboarding would be legal, though assured it wouldn’t be employed? She concluded that we needed to elect a new leadership… damn right. Then she did hear that the techniques were being used, but she wasn’t the ranking members anymore. She worked hard to get the GOP voted out of power. I believe more could have been done.</p>
<p>Still, I’m happy to see Pelosi get this out there, and hopefully out of the way, as this is another distraction from where the real scandal lies: with the Executive Branch as it ran under Bush, and on how DoD and CIA still operate today under the Army Field Manual’s Appendix M (which no politician, I’d note, ever mentions).</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Indeed.  I hope I was making my point clear enough.  Pelosi effectively states she’s got no problem with “enhanced interrogation techniques” if they don’t include waterboarding.  I for one have a problem with the use of anything the CIA might call an “enhanced interrogation technique”.  We’re talking about a class of actions that does not exclude waterboarding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the current speaker didn’t understand what was meant by “enhanced interrogation techniques” way back when it was critical to know, then she should’ve find out straightaway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  I hope I was making my point clear enough.  Pelosi effectively states she’s got no problem with “enhanced interrogation techniques” if they don’t include waterboarding.  I for one have a problem with the use of anything the CIA might call an “enhanced interrogation technique”.  We’re talking about a class of actions that does not exclude waterboarding.</p>
<p>If the current speaker didn’t understand what was meant by “enhanced interrogation techniques” way back when it was critical to know, then she should’ve find out straightaway.</p>
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		<title>By: frankly0</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankly0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It just continues to baffle me that so many people are leaping to Pelosi’s defense on this issue. It’s perfectly obvious from her comments today that she did indeed know of the actual use of waterboarding immediately after her aide was briefed in Feb 2003. She says nothing to dispute that, and indeed basically implies it when she says her own obligation to deal with the issue was somehow covered by the letter Harman wrote.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what is the difference between being informed in Oct 2002 vs Feb 2003? Only whether Pelosi’s “objection” was somehow adequately expressed by Harman’s letter — in which of course Pelosi’s own name never came up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the face of it, that claim is absurd. Her assertion that it would have been somehow inappropriate for her to express her own independent objection, or to have her own name brought up in Harman’s letter, is a complete fabrication on her part. The only thing that prevented such an action in the face of clear instances of the use of torture and of a war crime is her own abject cowardice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can we admit to that fact ourselves? The fact that Republicans are morally depraved does not imply that some Democrats aren’t repulsive cowards.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just continues to baffle me that so many people are leaping to Pelosi’s defense on this issue. It’s perfectly obvious from her comments today that she did indeed know of the actual use of waterboarding immediately after her aide was briefed in Feb 2003. She says nothing to dispute that, and indeed basically implies it when she says her own obligation to deal with the issue was somehow covered by the letter Harman wrote.</p>
<p>So what is the difference between being informed in Oct 2002 vs Feb 2003? Only whether Pelosi’s “objection” was somehow adequately expressed by Harman’s letter — in which of course Pelosi’s own name never came up.</p>
<p>On the face of it, that claim is absurd. Her assertion that it would have been somehow inappropriate for her to express her own independent objection, or to have her own name brought up in Harman’s letter, is a complete fabrication on her part. The only thing that prevented such an action in the face of clear instances of the use of torture and of a war crime is her own abject cowardice.</p>
<p>Can we admit to that fact ourselves? The fact that Republicans are morally depraved does not imply that some Democrats aren’t repulsive cowards.</p>
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		<title>By: Smgumby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smgumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You took the words right out of my mouth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, for political expediency, Nancy is trying to get ahead of the bus the CIA is trying to toss her under.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Better late than never, I suppose.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You took the words right out of my mouth.</p>
<p>Now, for political expediency, Nancy is trying to get ahead of the bus the CIA is trying to toss her under.</p>
<p>Better late than never, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Zongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t doubt that at all.  I absolutely agree that the CIA is lying about what was said at that briefing.  But I also think she’s being slightly deceptive about what she knew and when she knew it by keeping the focus on official briefings of the CIA.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t doubt that at all.  I absolutely agree that the CIA is lying about what was said at that briefing.  But I also think she’s being slightly deceptive about what she knew and when she knew it by keeping the focus on official briefings of the CIA.</p>
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		<title>By: ratfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ratfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It has always been that way. Talk is cheap (or so I’ve been told).:-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has always been that way. Talk is cheap (or so I’ve been told).:-)</p>
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		<title>By: frederic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/breaking-pelosi-says-%e2%80%9cthe-cia-is-lying%e2%80%9d/#comment-1899005</link>
		<dc:creator>frederic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pelosi is a lying through teeth. Does anyone on this blog think she is honest?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi is a lying through teeth. Does anyone on this blog think she is honest?</p>
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