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	<title>Comments on: Investigating an Embarrassment: More Questions on Al-Libi&#8217;s Torture, Death</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/12/investigating-an-embarrassment-more-questions-on-al-libis-torture-death/#comment-1897979</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not certain what the base was always used for, but didn’t they set it up as a holding area for Haitian boat people or Cuban boat people or something like that? Pretty convenient that they had that and then the ‘prison’ was in place. Oh well, coincidences *do* happen. Not absolutely everything is part of a conspiracy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not certain what the base was always used for, but didn’t they set it up as a holding area for Haitian boat people or Cuban boat people or something like that? Pretty convenient that they had that and then the ‘prison’ was in place. Oh well, coincidences *do* happen. Not absolutely everything is part of a conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Apparently he was driving a car with a bumper sticker that read: Allah is my co-pilot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Eh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently he was driving a car with a bumper sticker that read: Allah is my co-pilot.</p>
<p>Eh.</p>
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		<title>By: ondelette</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/12/investigating-an-embarrassment-more-questions-on-al-libis-torture-death/#comment-1897969</link>
		<dc:creator>ondelette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry to be dribbling my thought processes all over your comments, but I have the reasoning back that I used in the blog piece last year: The NBC piece is January 4th 2002, and cites 273 prisoners captured so far. These have to be “foreign fighters”, that is, not Afghan and not Pakistani, and they have to have been captured before January 2nd, since &lt;a href=&quot;http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2001/566/war2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Al Ahram Weekly reports&lt;/a&gt; the previous week that there have been 3000 Pakistanis in custody and 275 non-Afghans, of which 10 are killed in a prison incident in Pakistan, and who are held at Kohat and that they are being interrogated by FBI and CIA, and that some have already been disappeared, er, “shifted to unknown destinations.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be dribbling my thought processes all over your comments, but I have the reasoning back that I used in the blog piece last year: The NBC piece is January 4th 2002, and cites 273 prisoners captured so far. These have to be “foreign fighters”, that is, not Afghan and not Pakistani, and they have to have been captured before January 2nd, since <a href="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2001/566/war2.htm" rel="nofollow">Al Ahram Weekly reports</a> the previous week that there have been 3000 Pakistanis in custody and 275 non-Afghans, of which 10 are killed in a prison incident in Pakistan, and who are held at Kohat and that they are being interrogated by FBI and CIA, and that some have already been disappeared, er, “shifted to unknown destinations.”</p>
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		<title>By: ondelette</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/12/investigating-an-embarrassment-more-questions-on-al-libis-torture-death/#comment-1897937</link>
		<dc:creator>ondelette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My mistake, there was a prison at Guantanamo that the U.S. brought inmates to in the Bush administration starting October 7, 2001.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mistake, there was a prison at Guantanamo that the U.S. brought inmates to in the Bush administration starting October 7, 2001.</p>
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		<title>By: ondelette</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/12/investigating-an-embarrassment-more-questions-on-al-libis-torture-death/#comment-1897920</link>
		<dc:creator>ondelette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=4&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.leadingtowar.com%2Fclaims_sources%2F2002.01.04%2520NBC%2520Libi.doc&amp;ei=4BsKSpjBKaHWswPF76zoCA&amp;rct=j&amp;q=NBC+News+January+4%2C+2002+Ibn+al+Shaykh+al+Libi&amp;usg=AFQjCNHdpSCSr5cAjwH7xBGfnV4EZ1M8AA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is one online version&lt;/a&gt; of the January 4, 2002 NBC News transcript.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/06/international/asia/06DETA.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is the NYTimes piece.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=4&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.leadingtowar.com%2Fclaims_sources%2F2002.01.04%2520NBC%2520Libi.doc&amp;ei=4BsKSpjBKaHWswPF76zoCA&amp;rct=j&amp;q=NBC+News+January+4%2C+2002+Ibn+al+Shaykh+al+Libi&amp;usg=AFQjCNHdpSCSr5cAjwH7xBGfnV4EZ1M8AA" rel="nofollow">Here is one online version</a> of the January 4, 2002 NBC News transcript.<br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/06/international/asia/06DETA.html" rel="nofollow">Here is the NYTimes piece.<br /></a></p>
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		<title>By: ondelette</title>
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		<dc:creator>ondelette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeff,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not to in any way detract from your excellent article (it doesn’t), but I don’t see how the Telegraph can be reporting that he was captured in Al Khaldan in February of 2002. I have it in my notes, and will now go find out where I got it, that NBC News reported him in captivity on January 4, 2002. There was no Guantanamo prison when he was captured, so if he went there, it was either somewhere other than the detention camp, or it was later.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://humanityagainstcrimes.blogspot.com/2008/04/connecting-dots.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is where I cited&lt;/a&gt; NBC News last year. I will look and find out where I got that. Note that even January 4th, which was not, as I recall, a date of capture but after it, was well before President Bush signed orders “exempting” anyone from the Geneva Conventions. So he is embarrassing and possibly damning on two counts: that his forced concoctions were used as a case for war, and — and this may be more prosecutable — that his case proves that the various memoes were after the fact, and not well reasoned legal opinions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, not to nitpick again, but if the ICRC does an investigation, we won’t hear the results. They will be reported simultaneously to various levels of the governments involved, in strict confidence, right?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Not to in any way detract from your excellent article (it doesn’t), but I don’t see how the Telegraph can be reporting that he was captured in Al Khaldan in February of 2002. I have it in my notes, and will now go find out where I got it, that NBC News reported him in captivity on January 4, 2002. There was no Guantanamo prison when he was captured, so if he went there, it was either somewhere other than the detention camp, or it was later.</p>
<p><a href="http://humanityagainstcrimes.blogspot.com/2008/04/connecting-dots.html" rel="nofollow">Here is where I cited</a> NBC News last year. I will look and find out where I got that. Note that even January 4th, which was not, as I recall, a date of capture but after it, was well before President Bush signed orders “exempting” anyone from the Geneva Conventions. So he is embarrassing and possibly damning on two counts: that his forced concoctions were used as a case for war, and — and this may be more prosecutable — that his case proves that the various memoes were after the fact, and not well reasoned legal opinions.</p>
<p>Also, not to nitpick again, but if the ICRC does an investigation, we won’t hear the results. They will be reported simultaneously to various levels of the governments involved, in strict confidence, right?</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
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		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The interrogators were being threatened by Cheney and Rumsfeld to force one of these bastards read the script - or else!&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BINGO&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they KNEW there was no association and they told that to cheney, he said;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SO?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>The interrogators were being threatened by Cheney and Rumsfeld to force one of these bastards read the script &#8211; or else!</strong> </p>
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<p>BINGO</p>
<p>they KNEW there was no association and they told that to cheney, he said;</p>
<p>SO?</p>
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		<title>By: plunger</title>
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		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jesse-ventura-you-give-me-water-board-dick&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“It’s drowning,” Ventura responded&lt;/a&gt;. “It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you — I’ll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jesse-ventura-you-give-me-water-board-dick" rel="nofollow">“It’s drowning,” Ventura responded</a>. “It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you — I’ll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The whole Korean War/biological weapons issue is still, over 50 years later, one of great controversy. I think the immaculately documented monograph by Canadian historians Stephen Endicott and Edward Hagerman, &lt;em&gt;The U.S. &amp; Biological Warfare: Secrets From Early Cold War and Korean War&lt;/em&gt;, Univ. of Indiana Press, is the best source of info for this story. The case is still mostly circumstantial, but strongly so. Endicott has also answered the charges re the release of Stalin-era documents refuting his thesis in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yorku.ca/sendicot/12SovietDocuments.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;online essay&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole Korean War/biological weapons issue is still, over 50 years later, one of great controversy. I think the immaculately documented monograph by Canadian historians Stephen Endicott and Edward Hagerman, <em>The U.S. &amp; Biological Warfare: Secrets From Early Cold War and Korean War</em>, Univ. of Indiana Press, is the best source of info for this story. The case is still mostly circumstantial, but strongly so. Endicott has also answered the charges re the release of Stalin-era documents refuting his thesis in an <a href="http://www.yorku.ca/sendicot/12SovietDocuments.htm" rel="nofollow">online essay</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, that’s my reading. Compare that to the story from Reprieve, who apparently did know, and were making “tentative contacts.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that’s my reading. Compare that to the story from Reprieve, who apparently did know, and were making “tentative contacts.”</p>
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