Apparently, Hitchens never got the memo either…! Gotta love the smell of hypocrisy…! ;-)

Here is a little tip, anyone who emails Cohen about this should put Take It Back in the subject line. Believe me, it will have an effect.

Cohen is in way over his head, and has been for a long time. The post ought to review his contract. As to Hitchens, he is just trying to differentiate his product.

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Simple solution: The Hannity Test: All those in favor of torture must experience it. I personally guarantee that I can make them all agree to every single point of the “leftist agenda,” within a few waterboardings.
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Fred Hiatt’s 20 Mule Team pulls together.

Good article! I do agree that this only shows too much hypocrisy. In relation to economy issues, just recently, President Obama’s has a program to be implemented called “Cash for Clunkers”. It appeared to be a promising plan to spur new car sales by enabling car dealerships to take in older cars at better trade value. It is economical and environmental since it promotes getting rid of old, non-green vehicles. Also, the program is likely to be included with a further climate change bill, aimed to reduce carbon emissions and perhaps institute cap and trade legislation. A healthier earth is fast becoming a priority among the industrial nations. The Cash for Clunkers program is almost like a cash advance and cash repair for mother earth.

everything [Cheney] says is a lie, including the ands and the thes.

The man finally gets something right but in the very next breath manages to

Yet I have to wonder whether what he is saying now is the truth — i.e., torture works.

fuck it all up. How any rational reasonable person can be expected to believe this assclown is beyond me.

To say Richard Cohen is stupid is to understate his itelllect so badly it defies explaination.

Oh yeah, there is a special place in hell for the people that pay for and publish these steaming piles of shit.

Good morning, pups. If it’s Tuesday it must be Douthat, Brooks and Herbert. Oh, God, I hate Tuesday… Asshat, in “Faking Left,” says the Obama administration seems to have a plausible strategy for turning the “social issues” to liberalism’s advantage. The outline is simple: Engage on abortion, and punt on gay rights. Bobo has found a new way to waste pixels and printer’s ink. He got out his crayons and scribbled “They Had It Made,” about the Grant Study, a longitudinal study of a group of promising young men that began in the late 1930s, and which reveals life stories more vivid than any theory one could concoct to explain them. Someone please give me a hint about why he extruded this. Mr. Herbert, in ” ‘What Color Is That Baby?’ ” says the press is still very color conscious in the way it covers murder. This double-standard says volumes about whose lives are considered to have value in this society and whose are not. This is not a surprise, but it’s useful to have the noses of the media rubbed in it.

Here they are.

The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got apple walnut muffins this morning. We had drenching rains yesterday evening, and may get more today. This morning, assuming he shows up for breakfast, Al the white “porch cat” is making a trip to see Dr. Pam to have his powderpuffs removed. This will serve the double purpose of fewer kittens for the neighborhood and fewer slug-fests for Al. (He’s sweet, and seems to lead with his face…) Have a great day.

The way Dick Cheney is talking today is all the proof we need that he was actually the President of the Shadow Government for the last 8 years.

His daughter is coming up on Mornin Joe, don’t miss that!

We’re forgetting the mission. Torture was enacted to get them to say Iraq was involved. Thus, it probably worked. They weren’t torturing for ‘truth’, they were torturing to get them to admit the lies they needed.
I’m watching The Tudors. Henry VIII did the same thing. He wanted to prove Ann Bolyn was unfaithful so he tortured a few people who (surprise) finally admitted that they had relations with Anne. Of course, they hadn’t but did torture work for them? Absolutely.
This is just another case where that which is a failure for the US is a magnificent success for BushCo.

Was Hitchens doing Thunderbird, Boone’s Farm or Althouse’s $3.99-a-box merlot?

If this is the face of atheism, tell Papa Benedict that I’m in.

He’s back. He’s tanned. He’s rested. He’s delusional.

Of course it works — sometimes or rarely, but if a proverbial bomb is ticking, that may just be the one time it works.

and of course he misses the fact that those scenarios don’t arise come up, he misses the fact that you loose more information you ever gain, you create terrorists who never would have amassed against you, you create terrorism that never would have happened

how convenient

that’s a great post solai, let me just make one edit;

We’re forgetting the mission. Torture was enacted to get them to say Iraq was involved. Thus, it probably worked. They weren’t torturing for ‘truth’, they were torturing to get them to admit fabricate the lies they needed.

but seriously, your entire post could be a diary, I didn’t even know that story and if were written I would referance the link often

Your edit is what I meant.

Maybe dick means it works in a auto-erotic kind of way, for him.
Ask the dick if he watched a water torture tape? How many times?

By the end of the night, Christopher Hitchens was of course the last man (barely) standing, and he had some choice words for the evening’s headlining comedian, Wanda Sykes. “The president should be squirming in his seat.

and Hitchens knows squirming seats…

“The black dyke got it wrong.

and Wanda Sykes could slap him silly sissy straight – then right back into sissy, in about 20 seconds, without breaking a sweat or losing her smile.

…to have his powderpuffs removed.

I’d sure hate to be him… Never heard ‘em called that tho…! ;-)

only ’til he needed glasses.

Perris, from McClatchy:

Report: Abusive tactics used to seek Iraq-al Qaida link
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html

I’d sure hate to be him… Never heard ‘em called that tho…! ;-)

We’d hate for you to be him too CTtut.

And wouldn’t PowerBall(s) be a better term? give the kitteh a break….

LOVE ya marion, thanx for the quick version too

Has she been on yet? Please don’t tell me I missed it!

Not yet.

The beast must be psychic — the first day in weeks he hasn’t shown up for breakfast. He’s probably at the house now, feeling safe because I gave up and went to work. We’ll try again on Thursday…

Phew. Just heard she’s coming up next. ;-)

She’s next.

Love ya right back! Tuesdays at the Times do suck, though…

yup, right from the first paragraph;

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration applied relentless pressure on interrogators to use harsh methods on detainees in part to find evidence of cooperation between al Qaida and the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein’s regime, according to a former senior U.S. intelligence official and a former Army psychiatrist.

yet both the cia AND the fbt KNEW there was NO link, EVERYONE knew there was no link

this HAD to be called down from the top SINCE everyone in BOTH of these agencies knew with no doubt THERE WAS NO LINK

that’s the elephant in the room, these agencies were tasked with gathering information the agencies themselves knew did not exist

Former Vice President Dick Cheney and others who advocated the use of sleep deprivation, isolation and stress positions and waterboarding, which
simulates is drowning, insist that they were legal.

Okay, she’s up now!

Blaming the Bidens this morning ole Liz Cheney is!

I bet Liz Cheney was one who participated in the torturing of prisoners for her dad. Hitler would have wanted a daughter like Liz.

waterboarding, which simulates drowning, insist that they were legal.

in there own head, if they did it THAT made it legal

McClatchy is like West Wing in the sense it produces the level of journalism that we wish the WH would have in political practices.

Liz’s dad is just so innocent this morning! Gawd I hate her, her family, and all their friends. They’re nothing but a bunch of delusional thugs.

The documents HAVE NOT PROVED THAT WATERBOARDING OR THE TORTURING OF PRISONERS WORKED.

Cherry picking is what the Bush Regime did best, Liz & Joe!

marcy has a great post, graham corroborates polosi’s version that the breifings never included torture;

“I do not have any recollection of being briefed on waterboarding or other forms of extraordinary interrogation techniques, or Abu Zubaydah being subjected to them,” Graham told me by phone moments ago, in a reference to the terror suspect who had been repeatedly waterboarded the month before.

Graham is the only other Dem aside from Pelosi to get briefed in 2002, so they are both in effect asserting that no Dem was briefed on the use of EITs that year. The date of the next briefing was in February 2003.

Liz, can you explain what your father was doing when the anthrax was being sent out to liberals across the nation?

Liz, can you expose your bank accounts to the American people, so we can see how much money was funneled to your accounts courtesy of your dad who used Iraq like a Mafia pizza shop front to launder money to his Shadow Government employees?

Liz, tell us how many times in a day Dick Cheney & Donald Rumsfeld (who still has an office at the Pentagon) speak on the phone.

Liz, can you tell us the name of your father’s assassination squad?

Oh, God……y’all are actually listening to her crap?!? It isn’t enough we have to have cheney spew his garbage on a daily basis and now his daughter gets a free pulpit to reinforce it?

Pardon me while I go throw up.

solai, CHECK THIS OUT!;

“Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s people were told repeatedly, by CIA . . . and by others, that there wasn’t any reliable intelligence that pointed to operational ties between bin Laden and Saddam, and that no such ties were likely because the two were fundamentally enemies, not allies.”Senior administration officials, however, “blew that off and kept insisting that we’d overlooked something, that the interrogators weren’t pushing hard enough, that there had to be something more we could do to get that information,” he said.

there you have it, they were told, unendingly, by EVERYONE, yet THESE TWO and NOT ANY AGENCY wanted information that did not exist and “there had to be something “more” to get that information”

my GAHD!

Gen. Jim Jones can call her dad because her dad as president of his Shadow Government does not reach out to anyone! Right Liz? No one stops clapping in his presence either for fear of being removed from the room, tortured, and then killed, right Liz?

Barnicle railed all morning about Cheney and has now folded like a cheap umbrella.

(Well, he did just now say it to here)!

cheney’s not the president of the shadow government, he’s a bigger puppet then the boyking and as much a moron

Liz was hoping her dad would have ordered more napalm to have been used on the Iraqis, because Liz loved the idea of the Iraqi’s skin burning with no fire. She’s just like her dad!

Mika wants to bang her

Well, in my world, the Dickster is the president of the Shadow Government he created on the morning of 9/11/01. I’m sure Dickey has many global domination lobbyists at his disposal to keep him on track. ;-)

LOL Mika was too busy licking her finger and putting it in the air to see how she was feeling during the interview. At one point, she let Liz lick her finger to help herself out.

when is the ”I Heart Torture” tour gonna start playing the bigger, harder-to-please rooms?

Hey Liz, take your act to Rachel’s show!

Liz Cheney will be going on a right wing healthcare tour, Jayt. She’ll be explaining to Americans that torture is nutritious!

Must be nice to the visiting guests and give them all due deference and as much time as their littl’ ol’ hearts desire, don’ya know……….unless they’re dems.

Just got back from picking up a paper; is she gone yet…….or are they gonna let her have the stage for the rest of the morning?

Nancy Pelosi is to blame for everything that has happened over the last 3 decades! Dick Cheney is not. He’s a good man. Spit. *scraping tongue now with a garden rake*

As for the Washington (Gone) Post (al) these days:

Sheer Thomas Hobbes above the fold:

May 7: ‘In Pakistan, ‘Great Rage, Great Fear’ – Refugees Fleeing Swat Valley Tell of Taliban Crimes, Abuses’

May 11: ‘Fear and Worry Pervade Refugee Camps As Pakistanis Flee Assualt on Taliban’ + ‘Terrorist Traffic Via Syria Again Inching Up – Pipeline to Iraq Back in Business After Lull.’

50 Billion USD in Afghanistan next year can buy lots of Phoenix program, even without any critics of the best and brightest; and the Taliban, damn them, are not yet on the Terrorist Watch list. (The original supplemental for Iraq/Afghanistan was 87 billion at the start of the occupation, with only 12 going to Afghanistan.)

Al Kamen is sick, national editor Michael Abramowitz went to the Holocaust museum, the rag is a shadow of itself. As Friedrich Nietzsche once said: ‘if its falling, give it a push….’

Here’s what the disrespectful Dick Cheney wore to the Auschwitz Memorial a few years back:

http://sonofbillbrasky.files.w…..ocaust.jpg

I’m sure his daughter Liz picked the outfit. She’s just like her dad!

He went under deep cover for about a month to six weeks after 911. Nobody outside his little circle knew where he was. He was hatching all this terrible stuff.

Wasn’t that when he was making the hasty return from a visit to a secret site in Poland, at the former USSR base? I believe I’ve read some such in recent days.

Regarding the hypocrisy of the claims that torture works, Mary noted the following points in passing on bmaz’s thread at EW’s place on the death of al-Libi:

Prisoner al-Faruq was captured in June 2002 and subjected to the “sleep deprivation” regime (which we now know comprised many more brutalities that just forced wakefulness);
al-Faruq broke under this regime in early Sept 2002 and “admitted” that he was the top al-Qaeda op in SEAsia [though many thought that was supposed to have been Hambali], and that he was responsible for planning large scale deadly attacks in that region; and yet
al-Faruq apparently never mentioned plans for the Bali attack which took place in Oct 2002, and in which scores of people were killed.

So, exactly how is torture such an effective means of protecting the public, again?

Hi Prostratedragon!

Nope, it’s a picture of Cheney at an Auschwitz memorial…

http://krakow.usconsulate.gov/auschwitz2.html

Yes he was using that time to hatch out all his terrible stuff! ;-)