Ryan Nees, writing in Indiana’s Howey Politics, looks at Bayh’s tack to the right and says "there’s a future for Evan Bayh" in a "radicalized shell" of the Republican party:
What bizarre timing for the final break, it would seem, given that the Democratic Party’s popularity is at its highest point in Bayh’s political career, and Indiana, after all, voted in 2008 for the Democratic candidate for President, the first time since 1964. Yet this also makes sense, as Bayh has come to recognize that his future in the Barack Obama-dominated Democratic Party is dim: he was passed over for vice president, never emerged as a Claire McCaskill-like confidant, and became an irrelevant bridge to a sinking Clintonian ship when Obama deftly neutralized Hillary Clinton’s internal opposition by making her secretary of state.
Bayh’s reaction has been to position himself as the most obstructionist Democrat in Congress, just in case Obama’s popular presidency goes south. Bayh’s installed himself leader of a “Blue Dog” caucus in the Senate of 16 moderate Democrats, who meet regularly with the implicit purpose of putting the et tu brakes on Obama’s legislative agenda; or as Bayh put it in the Washington Post, “Many independents voted for President Obama and the contours of his change agenda, but they will not rubber-stamp it.”
In March, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell gleefully read one of Bayh’s anti-Obama screeds from the Wall Street Journal into the Congressional Record, suggesting as Bayh did that Obama “jeopardized [his] credibility” on the deficit with the proposed omnibus budget. Last week, Bayh was one of only three Democrats to vote no. “If you’re going to get to 60 votes in the Senate, you’re going to need the vast majority of this group. We can be the fulcrum upon which policy will balance,” Bayh threatened last month.
So this is as good a time for Bayh as any other to bolt, for him and for the Republican Party. It needs to retool to the realities of a realigning electorate, and Bayh could be a perfect GOP response to what may end up being a presidency of liberal overreach (think a former Democrat as a “New Republican”). And he needs a new party to entertain his ego, which is surely becoming exhausting to Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
As Specter finds his “political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans,” Bayh might ask himself the same question. He could follow the Pennsylvanian’s lead, and be just as politically self-serving in his answer. Why not become that new voice of the Republican Party? The door might not even hit him on the way out.
Bayh’s popularity continues to be strong in Indiana,. With a 74% approval rating and an $11 million war chest (much of it left over from his Presidential bid) the Republicans probably won’t try to field anyone against him in 2010.
But Obama’s Indiana victory indicates that Bayh and the state may moving in the opposite political direction. And I’ll just note that although it’s anecdotal, the kind of persistent local progressive discontent coming out of Indiana about Bayh is the kind of thing we look for when we’re assessing whether a candidate would be vulnerable to a primary challenge.
Joe Lieberman had a 68% approval rating in Connectibut in August 2005. Obviously, that didn’t tell the whole story.
h/t EK
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Progressives should go after Bayh full force like they did Caroline Kennedy. He wouldn’t have time to gasp for air!
A challenge from the left would be a good idea regardless of whether the challenger won or not.
It wouldn’t exactly be a Reverse Specter. I would think that Bayh actually would be loyal Republican, who would not use his first days in the party to take multiple stances in opposition to his new party, unlike Arlen, who seems to be determined to take the title of world’s worst Democrat (for which there is pretty stiff competition.)
Karzai’s final response on MTP indicated he thinks Gregory is an idiot. But then Gregory indicated thruout the interview that the feeling is mutual. Both are correct.
Off topic but I have to pass this on, apparently this is a real commericial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnOyMSEWNTs
You mean like Zell Miller, Billy Tauzin, Richard Shelby, Norm Coleman, etc.?
The D party poohbahs are a poor excuse for anything. They have no underlying values.
How long before the U.S. engineers a military coup in Pakistan?
I’d love to see a primary challenge to Bayh. I have no doubt however, that if he loses the primary his next move will be to pull a Lieberman.
Bayh is a lot better looking than Lieberman.
Happy Mother’s Day If we only knew what Mom’s do for us it would be a daily celebration. And thanks for addressing the “Purple Dems”. Seems like it wouild be hard to be an R when BO is so popular! If the public ever gets what the Rs have done to their wallets the Rs will need a new label.
I suspect one is in the planning stages already, probably has been since Musharraf agreed to take a back seat.
Thanks Jane.
Put me down for $50 to back a Democratic primary challenge to Evan.
It would be great for voter registration in northern Indiana, especially around Gary.
The problem with the Democratic Party in Indiana is that Evan Bayh owns it. Dan Parker, the State Chair is his “man.” Butch Morgan, the 2nd district chair and the county chair of St Joseph Co (this is the county that won it for Obama) is his “man.” He “owns” them. And not a one of them wants to expand the party and find new blood. They’re all Evan clones at heart. If Evan switched he’d be tanking the whole damn party and I don’t think it’s going to happen.
Mind you, I’d be happy to see him go but if any of this is true it’s just Evan throwing a hissy fit. He’s never really lived in Indiana…other than the gov’s mansion for a few years. I’m sure the family has property here but they’ve never actually lived here. It’s kind of tragic that he has so little self-awareness that he can’t see how poorly he is perceived nationally.
One of the few people with the gravitas and standing in Indiana with statewide name rec is Tim Roemer. He supported Obama out of the gate and remember…. he kind of betrayed Evan when he didn’t go for Hilary.
Oh…and Ryan Nees is a little twerp, IMHO. But that’s just personal.
I just wanted to add that I lurk here constantly, and thought you all might like a little local insight.
Might be, if he’d get a big-boy haircut.
Just finished reading American Raj by Eric Margolis. Tells the sad tale about U.S. puppets in the Muslim world. Did you know that Karzai is a CIA asset?
Great comment, thanks.
Is the Democratic primary in Indiana open or closed?
I can’t make any sense of Bayh. I want so much to see someone walk up to him on the floor and slap that smirk off of his mush. His attempt at obstruction is meant to be taken as leadership. No dice, you little creep. Your Dad is no doubt sitting in his rocker, shaking his head.
I think I had heard (or perhaps assumed) that. I also recall that he was nearly bumped him off in a botched U.S. airstrike just as he was being escorted into the country.
Primary is open unfortunately. However, there are a lot of progressive Dems that feel completely neglected. Kind of like what happens nationally only we never had a Howard Dean.
There are enough Blue Dogs to give the Republicans parity if they vote the same way. It gives them (the Blue Dogs) inordinate power by forcing the Dems to bribe them every time they try to pass something important.
Indiana is kind of a tough nut to crack. Outside the cities, I think the demographics (at least in the southern half) are pretty comparable to Kentucky.
Thanks.
Yeah, in the 20’s it was a huge stronghold for the klan.
From the NYT’s back in 1992
How the Klan Captured Indiana
Bayh’s popularity continues to be strong in Indiana. With a 74% approval rating…
Put me down as a proud 26 per-center.
Evan’s not gonna switch. Mrs. Simon (of the Simon Property Group family) would never allow it.
Boo @16 –> Open.
The solution for 2010 is not to take on Bayh in Indiana but to pick up enough seats elsewhere so that he becomes inconsequential.
southern Indiana pretty much *is* Kentucky. They just tend to forget that the Ohio River down there means something more than that they have a great place to park the gambling boats.
Bayh could certainly make the hair switch easily.
All he needs is the latest styling product “Nouveau Repug, the firm fix gel”.
“Nouveau Repug”
On Sale at RNC stores everywhere.
1.Locks style and party loyalty in place
2. Dependable, long-lasting holds over judical nominees
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Don’t torture yourself! Go Repug Now!
Boo and JayT you’re right about the Klan in Indiana….but northern Indiana is a completely different nut than the South. This area was settled by the French. LaSalle, Lafayette, Marquette, Coquillard. Indianapolis and the southern parts by the Germans. I’ve always found that rather telling and a bit interesting.
Then again he could shave his head and get a rug. He could really fit in then.
…when we’re assessing whether a candidate would be vulnerable to a primary challenge.
pretty slim field from which to find a candidate.
Barry Welsh is a strong progressive, but he’s House material, and has been unable to overcome the immovable-object-like presence of Mike Pence.
Linda Pence (no relation, so far as I know) might be good.
Well, yeah…
Indianapolis… by the Germans.
the architectural influence of the Vonnegut family is all around me.
Thanks. Had no idea of the connection.
FWIW
Simon Property Group (SPG) PriceWatch Alert With Support Around $47.16
I don’t see any of the Blue Dogs leaving. Even these drama queens know a good gig when they see one- it’s just so much more profitable having a (D) by your name and voting (or threatening to vote) with the Republicans than the other way around. The first case gets you praise from the villagers (”bipartisanship”) and tons of corporate lobbying cash, the second draws the wrath of the noise machine and a well-funded club for growth primary challenger.
I do wonder what Evan Bayh’s father would have to say about it all. I can’t imagine he’d be too happy. If Evan were to switch parties, it would prove us DFH’s right again.
I’d have to figure the same. A party switch would be painful to the old man.
Agree.
Which means Evan’s a great one to primary. Send a message to the rest of the blue dogs.
From deepest left field, would Joseph Stiglitz run? Not sure where he lives now, but he’s from Gary. He would attract national support against Evan and it would give him a platform to talk about Evan’s undying support for the banksters.
Evan couldn’t cry about Stiglitz not living in Indiana without Stiglitz raising Evan’s own residency issues.
The economy and jobs will be even more front and center in 2010. I’m not sure that Joseph Stiglitz’s lack of prior elected experience will be so much of an issue.
How the Klan Captured Indiana
things have changed – but are only a bit more subtle now.
I flat-out tell black clients to not even consider driving after dark in the counties contiguous to Marion County (Indianapolis).
The City of Carmel (an uber-wealthy enclave just northeast of Indy) lost, a few years ago, a huge suit over racial profiling wrt their stop and arrest practices. They didn’t, and still don’t care, and the practice has continued unabated.
A few months ago I walked into The City Court of Carmel, where they handle some low-level criminal stuff. Lots of DWS’s. I was absolutely shocked at the racial make-up of the people sitting there waiting for their case to be called – very few white faces.
My son’s best friend’s father (a very wealthy man himself, but Asian), just did six months in Pendleton for a DWS. He wasn’t suspended for anything major, or even DWS by reason off an OWI conviction – just points (speeding mostly). Best attorneys money can buy, but away he went. And Pendleton is no picnic.
Maybe we shouldn’t limit ourselves to primary challenges. Maybe we should remain alert to the possibility of a Benie Sanders type of candidate. Is it just possible that Bayh and his Republican challenger could divide the conservative vote, leaving room for a Sanders style of independent?
Stiglitz as a pol. Bwahahahahaha.
Thanks jayt.
I assume you’re familiar with the story of Canton, Ohio native Alan Page.
On the day of his induction into the Pro-Football Hall of Fame, his family attempted to drive to the ceremony. They were all thrown in jail. I think it was the late 1980’s.
Stiglitz has been on CNBC’s
whoring for the superichSquawkbox. I don’t know that at his age he has the energy to be a great campaigner, such as Ned, but he’s certainly got sufficient media savvy.He’s also got those grey hairs.
If liberals/progressive make the decision that we’re going to lose anyway, Stiglitz or someone like him makes great sense. It saves a liberal progressive Dem in Indiana from being thrown into the Evan meatgrinder and as I mentioned above, it’s a great platform for one of our core issues, the reform of the banking system.
actually, no, I didn’t know that story at all. Sounds familiar though, unfortunately.
Good point.
My guess is that we position for that by running a strong liberal progressive campaign in the Dem primary.
As I know you know, Page’s a state Supreme Court justice in Minnesota. I wonder if he would be allowed to campaign for a Dem candidate in football crazy Ohio?
Huh? If we want to run someone as an independent than we need to start looking around for someone with the qualities that would make such a thing credible. Bernie Sanders was a socialist mayor of Burlington. Is there a independent mayor, county board chair, or any one like that in Indiana? I have only rarely looked at the Indiana blogs and Bayh remains popular with Democrats. One the other hand Indiana has one of the strongest single payer movements in the country. Maybe there is a President of a Nurses local who has the qualities to be a credible independent candidate for Senator. I think a Democratic primary challenge would be a waste of time.
Let him flip. And take Ben Nelson (D-Racist) with him
It’s hard to believe that Bayh would change parties now. He couldn’t gain anything by doing that. If there’s any consistent point to the Howey Politics narrative, it’s that Bayh is one of those folks who crave power. As a Democrat, he has the power to obstruct. As a Republican, he just becomes one of the crowd.
Should the Senate become more evenly divided along party lines again, that calculation would work out differently. Unfortunately, for the next couple of years at least, Bayh will probably remain a Democrat.
Do you think both the Dems and the GOP are just going to stand by and let someone get on the primary ballot?
I don’t know Indiana either, but once you start talking independent, you unite both parties against you. If you run on a narrow platform, such as health care, one of the Democratic liberals will try to steal that issue away.
You have to get signatures to get on the ballot. BOTH parties will pour over those signatures, looking for ANY mistake. They in a bi-partisan kind of way they will crucify you in Indianapolis Star, the largest daily in the state. For good measure they’ll crucify you in the South Bend Tribune, the second largest daily in the state.
The unions aren’t going to support you, because they don’t think you can win. They can’t afford to piss off the winner.
If either party thinks your candidate might draw votes away from their candidate, they will hire lawyers to find about fifty other ways to keep your candidate off the ballot.
And if Bayh thinks he will be able to step into center stage in 2012 when (and if) the Obama administration fails to turn the horrifying financial meltdown around, he’s got a surprise coming…
He may still be popular in his own state, but he is universally loathed in progressive circles where his traitorous behavior is taken more as naked oportunism than born of any idealism…
Evan Bayh has surpassed droopy dog as the most hated character by the left…and although we progressives are still bashed by both Republicans and even Dems (to show their centrist creds) our power is growing each day, as the dead tree newspapers get more and more irrelevant to the every day lives of most Americans.
Bayh, bayh Bayh!
dcblogger, if you run a third-party candidate badly, you could actually INCREASE Evan’s control over the Democratic party.
In CT, the Dem primary was in August. 90 days before the general. If your candidate doesn’t run in the primary, s/he’s got 90 days to overcome all the name recognition the other two candidates built up in the primary.
Running as an independent also means you have no already established GOTV force on election day. The GOP uses what’s left of the Klan. The Democrats use the unions.
I don’t know how Bernie did it.
While I take issue with this, it is worth considering.
Bayh isn’t trying to find a crevice to wedge open so he can further a policy goal – he is trying to exploit for purely political advantage against his own party’s interests because he can only remain relevant by standing out.
Good luck with that, Evan.
If you’re going to run as a liberal independent in Indiana, it sounds as though at a minimum you would need the undying, unswerving support of the South Bend Tribune. It’s in the northern part of the state and I would suspect is slightly less wingnut.
I highly doubt the SBT would do that and even with their support, I still think you’re a really long way from a win in the general.
If we run a liberal Dem strong in the primary we can force Evan ever so slightly to the left, just like Sestak forced Specter to swallow a compromise of EFCA.
Not in the mood today.
Fuck Evan and his 74%. I’m sick of him and all the Blue Dogs like him that can’t stand prosperity.
So there.
It seems simple to me. If you want to run a liberal Democrat in the primary or a liberal Independent in the general election, then you have to do it Obama-style, which means an Internet friendly campaign for the change Indianans expected but haven’t gotten and won’t get because of the obstructionist power politics of Evan Bayh. It’s a simple message, “I will work with the President to achieve this one thing (or these five things) that I believe are critical for Indiana,” and it needs only an honest, articulate and unflinching champion who eschews Bayh’s politics.
If you aren’t going to run such a candidate, and the Republicans run a moderate, and I would argue that it is in our interest to encourage moderate Republicans to run against a Blue Dog Democrat in most instances, then you offer a deal to Republican candidate. take your top five issues and rate then one to five with an inverse point award. If the Republican can support your first and third highest priority action items for a total of 8 points, then Bayh would have to agree to support enough items totaling more than 8 points, or else you throw your electoral support to the moderate Republican. It’s a flexible combination of ideology, your five top issues, and pragmatic politics, we support whoever supports more of our issues no matter what political party he or she represents.
Bayh is expendable. In fact, I would go so far to say that any leader of the Blue Dogs is automatically expendable and should be targeted for defeat in his or her next election by the liberal wing of the Democratic party. Otherwise the liberal wing has no practical power that the Blue Dogs should fear except the remote possibility that you find the right person with the right voice who carries the day against all odds.
You shouldn’t be afraid to elect a moderate Republican if he or she will support more of your highest priority items than a Blue Dog Democrat. You offer them both the same deal, and you back the winner to the hilt. If it’s the Republican, then you have six years to work with him or her to expend your common interests, or you have six years to find a real Democratic challenger to run for that seat.
I repeat, Evan Bayh is completely expendable. You need to treat him accordingly by letting the GOP know that you could support a moderate Republican, and then you let the chips fall where they may. And you target the next leader of the Blue Dogs, and the next, and the next. Ad infinitum.
That’s how you respond to obstructionists who subordinate more important public interests to their for-profit private interests. You crush them if you can’t convince them. There is nothing the least bit complicated about such a response.
And you guys are nothing if not complicated.
You are right. He voted for the Senate’s Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009.
http://bayh.senate.gov/news/pr…..FBD4386F1F
He supports electric cars.
Senator Evan Bayh, a member of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, joined executives from Anderson-based Bright Automotive to unveil a concept version of the company’s new plug-in hybrid electric vehicle that gets 100 miles to the gallon. Bright officials demonstrated their new vehicle, the IDEA, to Senator Bayh, who discussed Indiana’s role as a national leader in making the high-mileage, high-tech cars of the future.
http://bayh.senate.gov/news/pr…..6033EE0ADE
Bayh is not nearly far enough to the right to fit in with the Republican crazies, but he does represent Indiana. That’s not an easy job for a liberal. I used to live there, sharing my state with John Birchers and other extremists.
Supporting someone who is more liberal sounds great, but progressives would have to lay the groundwork in Indiana first. The ordinary people of Indiana need information so that they can make up their own minds. I believe that if they were better informed, they would support more liberal candidates — and that Bayh would probably suddenly discover that, in his deepest heart of hearts, he is more progressive than he has voted in the past.