Consider:
The investment side of your Bank is sitting on a ton of bad loans to various Latin American nations. The loans used to look good: The rates were, of course, sky high. But with the world in recession, many of these same Latin American nations are just this side of defaulting. If they do default, it could be very bad for the Bank. Sure, the investment side of the Bank would suffer the most, but the defaults would also impact the profit-and-loss sheet of the Bank as a whole. Not good.
The solution? Whip up your stockbrokers —they work on the other side of the Bank—and get them to go sell these “dogs” to the hoi polloi. Gussy the bonds up good, put a fancy name on the package, and, hopefully, the public will love ‘em. You’ll not only get the bad debt off your balance sheets, you’ll get a broker’s fee from the suckers who saved your skin in the first place. Gooooood.
Or consider this:
The Big Bank—the commercial side of your Bank—financed the investment side’s pool operation in copper stocks. Your stockbrokers then went out and sold the public a million and a half shares of copper at $120 a share. It’s now selling for $5 and change.
Annnnh, you say. Stuff happens!
Indeed it did and pretty much exactly as I outlined—but in 1929, not 2009.
For most of the next 70 years, there was no chance of a repetition of these kinds of shenanigans. And why not? Two words: Glass-Steagall.
The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 forced banks to choose between being investment banks or being commercial banks. No longer could they be both. No longer could this hand slip the money under the table and into that hand. Nor could the commercial bankers blithely send their customers scampering over to the next-door office to do their stockbrokerage business—after having provided them with margin loans. No, thanks to Glass-Steagall, the Big Bank holding companies of the Twenties were no more.
But then along came Phil Gramm, egged on by the Wall Street Journal crowd—abetted, too, by the Clinton Treasury Department (Read: Bob Rubin and Larry Summers, assisted by a young Tim Geithner)—and they changed everything. And not for the better. With the stroke of a pen on November 12, 1999, President William Jefferson Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which, in effect, repealed Glass-Steagall.
Americans didn’t realize it at the time, but the world of 1920s finance—ginned-up deals, suckers ripe for the plucking, and nobody to regulate much of anything—had returned with a vengeance. The only real difference, needless to say, was the computer, which simply made the thing go faster. A regular Merry-Go-Round of Mad Money.
And no Glass-Steagall to stop it.
* * *
One of the Obama team’s favorite canards is that we just don’t have the time to “look backwards.” We have too much on our plates to deal with today. So say they.
Funny, isn’t it then, that the impulse behind Glass-Steagall—one of the great legacies of the New Deal—lay in the very same Ferdinand Pecora who led the Senate Banking Committee’s “backwards-looking” investigation into the origins and causes of the 1929 Crash?
The so-called “Pecora Committee” investigation not only didn’t impede President Franklin Roosevelt’s work to get the country back on its feet, it actually made long-term, lasting reform possible. With revelation following revelation, all of it played out prominently in the national press, the Pecora Committee set the national agenda for change.
Just as importantly—and the former University of Chicago law professor Obama should know this as well as anyone—the Pecora Committee, like the Teapot Dome Committee and the later Truman and Watergate Committees, left us with invaluable historical records of how these things—financial and political skullduggery, a world-wide crash and the subornation of our government by a President and his minions—happened in the first place. Are we not, after all, still learning the lessons of the Pecora Committee and the Watergate Committee? Teapot Dome, too.
No, Obama surely knows this. And no one knows it better than the bankers themselves. It is what they—and the keepers of the Banking Culture, the Summers and Rubins and Geithners—fear the most.
For the key to all that they have done so far in the name of the American Public lies in but one word: Opacity. Everything—or almost everything—they do is cloaked behind layers and layers of deliberate obfuscation. Better that the poor, feeble, foolish American Public not understand.
* * *
Fortunately, some of us do believe in history.
The Teapot Dome investigation was carried out by the Senate Committee on Public Lands. Significantly, the leading figure on the committee, the man who shouldered the weight of the investigation, Montana Democrat Thomas J. Walsh, was in the minority. The Senate was then in Republican hands—as was the graft-ridden Harding presidency. But Walsh was tenacious—and brilliant. One man, one bone, one big scoop.
The Senate select committee chosen to investigate rampant corruption in World War II defense industries was headed by the previously little-known, second-term Missouri Senator Harry S. Truman. Its seven members were (all but one, Tom Connally of Texas) junior senators, and, as Truman’s biographer David McCullough says, “distinguished only by their ‘unspectacular competence.’” Yet, the committee, under the inspired leadership of the dogged Truman, made headline after headline, ferreting out corruption. But for the work of the Truman Committee there would surely never have been a Vice President—or a President—Harry S. Truman.
Of the Watergate Committee, yet another Senate select committee, we know a very great deal. It too was a seven-member committee. Two of the seven senators are probably only remembered by their families: the Republican Gurney of Florida and the Democrat Montoya of New Mexico. The others, though, all had their moment in the sun—and then some. The Senate Watergate Committee is just as often referred to as “the Ervin Committee,” after its shrewd chairman, Sam Ervin of North Carolina. But Daniel Inouye of Hawaii and, especially, the cagey Herman Talmadge of Georgia, played their parts. The iconoclastic Republican Lowell Weicker of Connecticut could be as tough as the Democrats; while the Ranking Republican, Senator Howard Baker, began as the White House’s mole in the committee but became famous for asking when the President first knew about it—it being the break-in at the Watergate.
There are those—including people I admire and trust—who think the current investigation should not be conducted from the Hill but by an independent commission, modeled after the 9/11 Commission. The theory is that by appointing a “non-political” independent commission we might avoid the usual Congressional grandstanding.
But having watched many of the 9/11 Commission hearings live—and having rolled my eyes just about every time former Republican Governor Jim Thompson of Illinois got hold of the mike—I don’t really believe that. And Thompson was merely the most egregious grandstander among that lot.
Nor do I find it comforting to think that President Obama might well pick the likes of 9/11 Co-Chairs Governor Tom Kean and former Representative Lee Hamilton to run such a commission. Hamilton, it should be remembered, pretty well botched the Iran-Contra hearings. He’s every smart Republican’s “favorite Democrat.”
No, no, please not that again: A couple of Old Aunties—or, rather, a couple of tired Old Uncles.
And, let’s not forget 9/11 Commission executive director Philip D. Zelikow. He’s been trying his best to resurrect his image lately, but, readers of New York Times reporter Philip Shenon’s The Commission will recall that the former Condi Rice co-author was no one’s idea of a bi-partisan team leader. He might well also have been, like Fred Thompson (the Republican counsel on the Watergate Committee), its White House mole. The Tired Old Uncles chose him. Let that be a lesson to us.
No, I’d say that, looking at it broadly, you don’t want “the outside experts,” you want the politicians. For one thing, you want someone who can put the issues in simple, clear language. The plot line has to be understandable. It has to be the opposite of opaque.
* * *
So where does that leave us? And who is to run this thing?
Ideally, I would think that there should be a select Senate Committee to investigate the financial crisis, and it should be small, seven to nine members at most. There are obvious candidates to chair the Democratic side of such a committee. Carl Levin has proven an outstanding investigator, whether as chair of the Banking Committee, which he once was; and now at Armed Services. The same could be said of Pat Leahy of Judiciary. But their plates are probably full.
Who then?
I’d propose Jack Reed of Rhode Island. He’s a senior member of the Banking Committee and one of the outstanding members of the Senate. It’s not for nothing that Obama considered him for Vice President at one point. Then there’s Democratic Majority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois, who had the good sense and honesty to blurt out the other day how Congress was owned by the banks. Good on him! He’s also senior enough to be chair.
Into the mix could go Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Ron Weyden of Oregon, Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, and Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota. If, for whatever reason, Reed were not chosen as chair, I’d propose as a junior member his outstanding counterpart from Rhode Island, Sheldon Whitehouse, who might just be the best questioner in the Senate today.
No doubt Chuck Schumer of New York would think himself invaluable on such a committee, but Schumer is the very epitome of the Banking Culture and is, besides, one of the biggest grandstanders in either house of Congress. No one in the Senate loves the sound of his own voice more. Oh, and, no Evan Bayh, the Bankers’ Best Friend. No, no, no Nanette to Evan!
The biggest problem of all, though, is Dick Durbin’s ostensible boss Harry Reid. Mike Mansfield, lo those thirty-plus years ago, had the very good sense to choose Sam Ervin to run the Watergate Committee. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, Harry Reid ain’t no Mike Mansfield. He ain’t even a Tom Daschle, much less a George Mitchell.
Which leaves the House and Nancy Pelosi. She actually does seem to want to investigate the financial collapse.
House committees are by nature large—huge even. At full committee hearings no one ever seems to have time enough to follow-up. That would never do in this matter. The members will need time to probe, to examine and to cross-examine. It would be good if at least some—like Sheldon Whitehouse on the Senate side or Artur Davis on the House side—had themselves once been prosecutors.
A special House committee would also have to be small—again, seven to nine members—and select. The Speaker thus would get to choose the chair. In her perfectly reasonable desire to bounce Jane Harman, Pelosi badly botched the House Select Intelligence Committee chairmanship. She can’t pick another Silvestre Reyes. The person she picks to run this committee has got to have chops. Three names come to mind: John Lewis of Georgia; Ed Markey of Massachusetts; and Lloyd Doggett of Texas. You could do a lot worse than one of these.
Strange to say, you might even get a Republican or two from either the House or Senate who has something to contribute. It’s always possible. As Simon Johnson keeps reminding us at his “The Baseline Scenario,” what this thing comes down to are the two sides: The Banking Culture (which is AC/DC when it comes to the parties) and a broad array of conservative/moderate/liberals—Republicans and Democrats alike—who are opposed to the Banking Culture. There is hope there.
* * *
And lastly?
There are the particulars. Such a select committee, whether Senate or House, would need a chief counsel, a Sam Dash. It would need a chief investigator too. There would have to be a significant budget and there would have to be subpoena powers. The chief counsel, in particular, should be allowed to question the witnesses at the public hearings. We could do worse than the estimable Elizabeth Warren.
But, ultimately, it will come down to the chair.
Just one righteous man or woman—a Harry Truman, say, or a Tom Walsh—that would be enough.
Opacity is all for the moment. It ought not be.
We need to know what’s behind the curtain.
Too big to fail?
Bust the myth.
Bring on the truth.
We need a Pecora.
Now.
[This is the final part of a three-part series on The Pecora Committee and its modern implications. Part one can be found here. Part two, here.]



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Wonderful piece. Too bad Obama only has ears for Summers. This is one place where we have to rely on the Congress. Harry Reid couldn’t lead a riot out of a paper bag, so little chance in the Senate. I hope that Nancy will go for it in the house.
ss…LOCK BOX
If so, she is going to need to choose well. Botch it, and that’s game-set-match. Or at least that’s what I fear.
We certainly need an investigation and the forensics will reveal the flaws in the system of finance and “investments” gone awry by less then ethical players on Wall Street.
But I feel the problem which needs to be addressed and will certainly be ignored is why IS the mission of wall street as an industry?
When you have publicly traded corporate shares and bonds and so forth, people, all people will want their excess money – savings, retirement funds, pensions and so forth to not lose value but gain value so people need to let money make money. And then there are those who don’t “work” by only make money from money.
Of course when we have inflation anyone who has extra money wants it to beat inflation at the very minimum so you can’t just put it under the mattress and take it out when you need it.
I suspect that the economy can’t grow without inflation and some sort of asset appreciation so earning a return seems to be a “given”. But for some reason, the simple interest on a savings account doesn’t work for people. They want more.
And the managers of these institutions get to play with the deposits and leverage them. And create financial instruments and derivatives which are sold bough traded with huge transaction fees for the brokers and banks. And our system has allowed banks to leverage even the vast sums they have on deposit essentially taking huge risk,. much more than they can support. And then the hedges with CDSs and so forth. it’s layers and layers of complex finance on enormous scale which does nothing for the main street economy, except return some dividends to the middle class who probably don’t spend it but roll them over into more financial products.
The heated economy was the result of people cashing out on asset bubbles in a consumer spending spree.
We simply don’t know how to have a no growth, no inflation economy sans asset bubbles. Capitalism is all about asset bubbles in the end. And we go from one bubble to the next. We just can’t face the fact that this is what capitalism is – cyclical and rides on waves of asset bubbles.
How about a commission to explain how REALLY capitalism works?
She will do fine. As long as she stays away from Barney Frank and his friends.
For that you’d need something well beyond luck.
then why did pelosi sandbag elizabeth warren with richard nieman? (from naked capitalism: On Pelosi’s Duplicity and Apparent Sandbagging of Elizabeth Warren)
i’m not suggesting that we don’t push pelosi for a pecora-type committee, but i want it run by william black and not anyone in congress.
i love elizabeth warren, but after seeing her question geithner recently (at the COP hearing), i can’t recommend her in the prosecutor role. whitehouse has been exceedingly lame in the senate budget committee hearings, so that doesn’t work. actually, after watching and/or listening to a lot of hearings over the last couple of years, i have to say that congressional hearings with adversarial witnesses seriously suck. they have been just horrible.
william black. that’s the ticket.
I like Black too. But that just isn’t going to happen. And I will beg to differ with you about Whitehouse. He’s been superb on Senate Judiciary. (I can’t speak to his performance on the Budget Committee.) He’s smart, articulate, and a very good cross-examiner.
It’ll be investigated after the crash is complete. There are still a few trillion dollars the banksters haven’t carried off yet.
Enjoy.
Excellent post. thanks for walking through all the possibilities for a good committee.
I’m sure there are other possibilities–including good ones, I hope. But, having thought a lot about it, this was the best I could come up with. I do wish Reid were a stronger character.
why do you say black isn’t going to happen?
i agree whitehouse has been very good on senate judiciary (except for his role in pushing for telco immunity for fisa violations). that’s what makes his lameness on budget so v depressing – he wasn’t smart, articulate and i can’t remember him even acting like a cross-examiner. but, if i can find the time/energy/motivation, i’ll try to give a couple budget hearings a re-listen. maybe i can find something to give me a bit of hope.
There is no way politically that it will happen. That’s why.
As to Whitehouse: His telco vote was indeed depressing. I honestly can’t address his work on Budget. But the fact is that he’s a former U.S. Attorney and a natural on Judiciary.
OT
W raised $100 million in 100 days for his library.
breathtaking, isn’t it?
The worst president in history and his historical monument grows by the minute.
Clinton couldn’t raise $100 million in a year for his library.
Discussion about anonymity of donors and what the displays will look like. Money talks. And breathtaking only if you are cynically challenged.
are you saying that there is no way politically to have an aggressive competent person, or is it black in particular? (i’m not asking for an explanation).
re whitehouse and telco vote – his votes in senate intelligence were the worst. he even voted specifically against the amendment to remove immunity from the bill. maybe just he loves big corporate donors? i don’t know, it was so inexplicable to me at the time (and inexplicable to his office staff too, who tried more than once to tell me it didn’t happen when i called to ask why he’d done it).
john, i also want a pecora-type commission and very much appreciate your posts on the topic. please don’t let my neg comments discourage you in the slightest. i’m just trying to think this through without my rose colored glasses.
Not in the least! But thanks so much for the nice words.
I was just going to say that I don’t expect perfection from politicians. It’s not in the nature of the beast. We all hope for better. But it’s not to be. Nevertheless, I was deeply upset when I found out that Pelosi had gone along with telecom immunity. But that’s another matter.
Has one ever heard Obama mention Glass-Steagall on his own, not in answering a question? Probably not.
Is Obama essentially a shill for Wall St shill in continuing the same structures and practices that led us into this mess? Final verdict isn’t in yet, but I’m not optimistic.
Powerful forces at work. Powerful forces.
But I also understand to some extent. As Krugman said the other day: The Obama economic team has, apparently, saved us from the abyss. But they’re not going to go down the path of real reform–unless forced to. That is why a Pecora Committee is so important.
IMO, Obama is shill for most PTB (powers-that-be). Willing to revise my opinion, but that’s where the evidence is accumulating.
He’s been a sad disappointment when it comes to real reform–certainly on the financial front. I’ll leave it at that. All the more reason for us to push him. And no better way to push him than to have a modern-day Pecora Committee that will throw open the doors to the Wall Street nonsense.
Quick we need to corner the market in crayons.
From your lips to god’s ears. Not optimistic, since Ds are now the party of Wall St.
Rachel had a really yucky one: R party revivification in the pizza parlor was cheesy and full of dough.
There is nothing these people fear more than clarity. They cloak all the worst stuff behind layers of opacity, speak in deliberate gibberish, and brush aside even the most articulate criticism with a wave of their absolutely stupendous arrogance.
Geez, can you say Larry Summers?
Unlike the Bass Bros. in silver, cornering the crayon market ought to be doable.
Oh, hahaha.
Obama picked Larry Summers as the misogynist rep in his administration. Every admin needs at least one.
Saw it.
But she also had a very nice segment about all the off-shore subsidiaries of OUR essentially government-owned companies, i.e., Citi, Chase, etc.
They’ll never stop the shell games until the heat is put on them big time.
That’s baloney. Krugman has this tendency to give credit to this Administration when it isn’t do. Nobody has been saved. At best, the collapse has been delayed to 2011. And it was done at great cost, stupidity, and waste. It’s like a drunk falling in a dike and momentarily plugging a hole. It was dumb, it was lucky, and it won’t last.
Hm, do you know which 3 donors they were? *G*
Besides his pop, that is.
You might well be right. I hope not.
Meanwhile, let’s keep up the pressure.
A Pecora Committee for today.
Gotta tip hat to you also, Mr. Anderson.
Your three posts are saved for referencing.
Fine, fine material, and thanks for sharing it.
Thought that was the Hunt Brothers?
Texans, who cornered silver in the 80’s?
pelosi didn’t just go along re fisa. imo, she orchestrated a big deception (gory detail here, here and here). i consider her one of the most dangerous members of congress because she convinces progressives she is on our side while she’s stabbing us in the back.
i guess i’m going to have to hope that there is some dark horse who has the chops and will step up to the role for a pecora-type investigation and surprise everyone. but even is the first go is lame, maybe that will help build momentum for something more. better something than nothing.
I think the key to Obama’s rant against offshore tax havens is that they’ve included the savings from recapturing these taxes in their budget deficit projections. In a fundamental sense, I think they don’t GAFF. But they do have to make lip service to some of their long-term budget projections.
I agree completely about a real Pecora Commission. And we will only know that Congress and Obama are serious about reform when they bring back Glass-Steagall.
Thanks. I will read these at leisure tomorrow. I started with the first link, and, of course, there was Jane Harman.
God. Jane of Arc. What an absolute, utter disgrace she is.
Sounds right to me.
What was Obama’s last Friday’s data dump that Rachel referred to before the break? Being obsessed with planting trees, I missed it. Of course, I could wait until the commmercials are over.
p.s. i think this:
is really the key to how i see economic policy choices being made – and i’m not just talking geithner’s bailout plans. just as bad – possibly even worse – are the opaqueness and complexity being unnecessarily created in the “health care reform” plans being floated and the “carbon cap and trade” proposal. in both cases, it’s the financial services industry that stands to make a killing. i’d almost be willing to go along if we got some decent policy to go with the rip-offs but so far i don’t see any sign of that.
… and on that cheery note, good night to all.
pecora!
Yes.
As Simon Johnson keeps reminding us: We have got to break this “Too Big to Fail” myth. That’s how we got to this state in the first place.
dunno, missed it
I was surprised that Obama brought up the tax havens and loopholes. I wasn’t sure if it was real. It could be a sore point with him. OTOH one of the oldest dodges in the Senate is for someone to put up a piece of pet, but doomed, legislation and propose it be paid for by closing tax loopholes.
Military commissions redux!
gnite selise. Sleep tight.
Are these people mad? Are they insane?
Who in the administration is putting this out?
Ditto!
Cap and trade is one of those things that I think is being kept around for show. We and the rest of the world have already missed the boat on preventing significant change to the world’s climate, this even with the current worldwide downturn. And cap and trade is a step back from a carbon tax. Such a tax would be direct and hit the big producers of carbon. And as you point out, it would avoid cycling it through Wall Street and the commodities markets for traders to take their cut.
Yes, as I said lip service. Don’t think anything will happen on the subject, and the deficit projections will be suitably revised, in a year.
Reminds me of 1970s FRB Chair Arthur Burns, the worst one of the post-WWII era. Every year he testified before congress that his projections for money supply for the next year was between x% and y%. A year later, when money supply growth exceeded y% growth, Burns promised never to do it again, and set new targets from the actual end-of-year level from x% to y% again (let’s look forward, not back). He thereby accomplished embedding the first oil embargo supply shock inflation into underlying inflation.
Those who do not learn from history …
Rahm is always first candidate.
Cap & trade is being kept around because the CO2 pollution rights are going to be given away for free to CO2 polluters.
Always the first.
Mrs. Greenspan sez it is difficult to prove a crime, meaning torture. WANS (we are not surpised).
Quelle surprise.
I suppose you’re one of those chardonnay drinking, brie eating snobs, n’est pas? *g*
I meant to mention this earlier: I call your attention to today’s p. 1 WSJ piece entitled, “New York Fed Chairman Faces Questions on Goldman Role.”
As I keep saying: It’s all right out of Chernow’s “House of Morgan.” Just substitute “Goldman” for “House of Morgan.” The other two big players then and now are exactly the same: Citi and Chase. And just as bad as ever.
Moyers has a post at Truthout comparing Obama with Roosevelt. The contrast does not favor the current incumbent, leave it at that.
Actually, I’m working on a glass of Vouvray sec at the moment.
And yet the US has one of the highest or highest percentage in the world of citizens in jail. Go figure. Must not be as hard as she thinks.
Actually I keep saying that Obama has more in common with Hoover.
Old Soul is going to trundle off to bed. I’m reading Laton McCarthy’s “The Teapot Dome Scandal.” It’s uneven, but worth your read. There’s some new stuff there; and it’s an enjoyable read, if, as I say, uneven. Check it out, Pups!
Night.
Great post, John.
“We all hope for better. But it’s not to be.”
Are you suggesting that the basic “nature” of those who would aspire to be politicians is, very often, actually inimical furthering the “working” notion of “representative” democracy?
Why, John, that puts us rather in a pickle, doesn’t it?
I wonder if there might be any other ideas that the citizenry of an ostensible “democracy” might possibly consider?
I do suspect that “things” have not yet got “bad” enough to induce such thoughts amongst the populace.
Might it not be a “good” idea for the “left”, such as it is and isn’t, to begin to firmly articulate visions of a better, more-sane, “participatory” vision of democracy and a viable, far more egalitarian society? The political “leadership” appear to have little interest in furthering such things …
Considering that demagogues and sociopaths are always waiting in the wings; if, as you suggest, the current, “traditional” political “types” are constitutionally (forgive me) unable to rise to the needs of the times and especially to dealing honestly and compassionately with the genuine (and increasingly desperate) needs of many of “the people”, must we not seriously begin to contemplate alternatives?
Doubtless we shall muddle along as we may, with this money-bought system, for a time, but inevitably the massive failure of the ruling classes will be evident to all. Of course by that point, we may all be so impoverished, intellectually (all this deliberate, contrived “complexity” on the economic front, and the ever more convoluted aspects of “secrecy” and “National Security” with which we are dosed daily dulls the mind and enervates the spirit) as well as the “resources” we may be able bring to bear on the possibly devastated reality which we shall likely face.
Thanks, again John, I always appreciate your thought-provoking posts.
DW
‘as well as being capable of identifying the “resources” we may be able to bring to bear …’
(Sticky brain-finger synapse issues … I suspect)
DW
I can say you’re wrong, but let’s say you’re right (for argument’s sake). What we need is to create a new system based on what we know of the past (pro and con).
I think there is a lot from our recent past which was good. If we more-or-less rolled back the worst of the last 20 years and added back in some old regulations which worked and some new things which are blindingly obvious, then we could move along quite nicely.
But, as you imply, there are some fundamental things which need to be built from scratch. Take for example the recent Chrysler & GM problems and how they’ve struggled to decide what labor should receive. It’s been a perpetual problem because nobody has really ’solved’ it, in even a philosophical way. There are some other things, but none would prevent the economy from working (as it has even in the midst of this crisis) if we don’t solve them right away.
I think it’s plain that handling the crisis has made it impossible (until recently) for Congress or the President to promote financial reform & regulations. The first signs of that are coming through now. I don’t know why the credit card reform didn’t take, but I’ll cross my fingers for now and hope it’s because there was some other bill the leadership would rather have. Other reform is coming down the pike — Dodd’s housing bill is one.
Still, a Pecora-type committee/commission to review the whole event would be a lot like an airplane accident investigation. The more of those we’ve had the safer we’ve made airplanes. Where are the black boxes?
Just out of curiosity…which would be better on the environment, to have a good cap & trade system or a moratorium on building new coal-fired plants with clean-coal technology to be added to existing plants?