Comments on: Early Morning Swim http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:35:47 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: twolf1 http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013840 twolf1 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:39:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013840 <a href="http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/must-read-post-from-kagro-on-public-option-fight/" rel="nofollow">Jane is way upstairs...</a> Jane is way upstairs…

]]> By: Knut http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013832 Knut Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:21:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013832 Afghanistan is a tough call anyway you see it. Obama has one advantage that neither JFK nor LBJ had at a similar point in the development of the Vietnam conflict. The right wing was politically stronger in the early 1960s than it is today, in part because a big piece of wasn't as far to the right. But the 'who lost China' gang were alive and kicking. JFK was barely (and possibly illegally) elected. The Cold War liberal establishment was strongly entrenched. He and his successor felt they had to cover their backs. LBJ admitted as much, and I don't think this was special pleasing. Obama is getting a lot of heat, but he has way more room to manoeuvre on this decision than JFK and LBJ had. Like almost all of us here, I think we should get out. But there's a case for not abandoning the place to the people who blow up world monuments for religious reasons. Afghanistan is a tough call anyway you see it. Obama has one advantage that neither JFK nor LBJ had at a similar point in the development of the Vietnam conflict. The right wing was politically stronger in the early 1960s than it is today, in part because a big piece of wasn’t as far to the right. But the ‘who lost China’ gang were alive and kicking. JFK was barely (and possibly illegally) elected. The Cold War liberal establishment was strongly entrenched. He and his successor felt they had to cover their backs. LBJ admitted as much, and I don’t think this was special pleasing.

Obama is getting a lot of heat, but he has way more room to manoeuvre on this decision than JFK and LBJ had. Like almost all of us here, I think we should get out. But there’s a case for not abandoning the place to the people who blow up world monuments for religious reasons.

]]> By: twolf1 http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013820 twolf1 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:18:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013820 <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/10/nidal-hasans-dots/" rel="nofollow">New post upstairs...</a> New post upstairs…

]]> By: Bluetoe2 http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013819 Bluetoe2 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:17:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013819 Heard on NPR this a.m. that Obama would be meeting with his "War Council" today. Heard on NPR this a.m. that Obama would be meeting with his “War Council” today.

]]> By: Bluetoe2 http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013818 Bluetoe2 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:16:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013818 Thanks for the correction. Thanks for the correction.

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013817 SouthernDragon Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:13:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013817 Teabaggers = chewin', spittin' and scratchin' themselves in public Teabaggers = chewin’, spittin’ and scratchin’ themselves in public

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013816 SouthernDragon Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:12:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013816 Had me scratchin' my head. Had me scratchin’ my head.

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013815 SouthernDragon Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:12:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013815 Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool. US KIA Irak: 4,362 US KIA Afghanistan: 918 US MBS 2009: 38,936 Be good to yourselves, and all other living things. Namaste Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

US KIA Irak: 4,362

US KIA Afghanistan: 918

US MBS 2009: 38,936

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

]]> By: Raven http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013814 Raven Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:11:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013814 Whew! Whew!

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/11/early-morning-swim-210/#comment-2013813 SouthernDragon Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:06:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=49910#comment-2013813 <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/2266-veterans-died-in-200_n_353033.html" rel="nofollow">2,266 Veterans Died in 2008 Because They Were Uninsured</a> 2,266 Veterans Died in 2008 Because They Were Uninsured

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