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		<title>By: SomeGuy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/27/did-podesta-get-white-house-approval-to-push-for-bybee-impeachment/#comment-1888524</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man’s permission when we require him to obey it.””Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor.” Theodore Roosevelt&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“No man is above the law” Let’s test whether this is presently true. How could we prove or disprove this hypothesis, or is an &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_faith&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article of faith&lt;/a&gt; which must be believed, regardless of any evidence to the contrary?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man’s permission when we require him to obey it.””Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor.” Theodore Roosevelt</p>
<p>“No man is above the law” Let’s test whether this is presently true. How could we prove or disprove this hypothesis, or is an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_faith" rel="nofollow">article of faith</a> which must be believed, regardless of any evidence to the contrary?</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/27/did-podesta-get-white-house-approval-to-push-for-bybee-impeachment/#comment-1888322</link>
		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;George sent a message.&lt;br /&gt;
The Constitution is just a God damn piece of paper.&lt;br /&gt;
Can we set him straight?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George sent a message.<br />
The Constitution is just a God damn piece of paper.<br />
Can we set him straight?</p>
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		<title>By: frankly0</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/27/did-podesta-get-white-house-approval-to-push-for-bybee-impeachment/#comment-1888284</link>
		<dc:creator>frankly0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to my way of thinking, ‘24′ is like a program that, week after week, shows successful conversions of gays to happy heterosexuals — except worse. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How many people in Hollywood would be proud to be part of that kind of ugly venture?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>to my way of thinking, ‘24′ is like a program that, week after week, shows successful conversions of gays to happy heterosexuals — except worse. </p>
<p>How many people in Hollywood would be proud to be part of that kind of ugly venture?</p>
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		<title>By: Mithras61</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/27/did-podesta-get-white-house-approval-to-push-for-bybee-impeachment/#comment-1888283</link>
		<dc:creator>Mithras61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s actually a good idea. Maybe a letter writing campaign to the advertisers on the show about their support for illegal acts and their efforts to legitimize the same…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone know how we can find out who sponsors the show “24″?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s actually a good idea. Maybe a letter writing campaign to the advertisers on the show about their support for illegal acts and their efforts to legitimize the same…</p>
<p>Anyone know how we can find out who sponsors the show “24″?</p>
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		<title>By: frankly0</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankly0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This may seem a bit off the beaten path, but you know what I’d like to see?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d like to see progressives targeting the program ‘24′ for playing a major role in legitimizing torture in the eyes of the American people. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder how actors like Janine Garofalo, who plays a liberal in real life, and also plays a significant role on ‘24′, can possibly justify to themselves the clear impact that that program has on promoting torture?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t that about the worst sort of hypocrisy imaginable?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may seem a bit off the beaten path, but you know what I’d like to see?</p>
<p>I’d like to see progressives targeting the program ‘24′ for playing a major role in legitimizing torture in the eyes of the American people. </p>
<p>I wonder how actors like Janine Garofalo, who plays a liberal in real life, and also plays a significant role on ‘24′, can possibly justify to themselves the clear impact that that program has on promoting torture?</p>
<p>Isn’t that about the worst sort of hypocrisy imaginable?</p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re preaching to the choir.  I’ve believed this since the truth about Abu Ghraib came out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the independents who are supporting torture haven’t read the Constitution, and aren’t sure that water-boarding is torture.  They’re the ones that have to be reached, and I think they’re the ones who would find the war crimes trial convincing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re preaching to the choir.  I’ve believed this since the truth about Abu Ghraib came out.</p>
<p>But the independents who are supporting torture haven’t read the Constitution, and aren’t sure that water-boarding is torture.  They’re the ones that have to be reached, and I think they’re the ones who would find the war crimes trial convincing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mithras61</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mithras61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can see your point, but treaties are defined in the Constitution (Article 2, I believe) as bearing the same weight as the Constitution itself. I don’t care so much about foreign courts or the World Court, but the two conventions I cited fall into that category so far as a plain language reading of the Constitution and those treaties is concerned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to our own history of prosecution of waterboarding as torture, I agree that the prosecution of the Japanese Kempetai officials is pretty clear on the topic as well. Overall, I;d say that there really isn’t much in the way of wiggle room on this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see your point, but treaties are defined in the Constitution (Article 2, I believe) as bearing the same weight as the Constitution itself. I don’t care so much about foreign courts or the World Court, but the two conventions I cited fall into that category so far as a plain language reading of the Constitution and those treaties is concerned.</p>
<p>As to our own history of prosecution of waterboarding as torture, I agree that the prosecution of the Japanese Kempetai officials is pretty clear on the topic as well. Overall, I;d say that there really isn’t much in the way of wiggle room on this.</p>
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		<title>By: frankly0</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankly0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I was very unimpressed with the claims of Pelosi in particular about the supposed pushback she gave at the time. She seemed at most to be claiming that she agreed with the criticism recorded by Harman. And if Harman’s criticism is nothing more than the letter I have seen published from her, it is itself exceedingly weak and CYA given the gravity of the issues involved. Basically, the letter was more or less: Hey, I hope you guys double check the legality of this, OK?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I was very unimpressed with the claims of Pelosi in particular about the supposed pushback she gave at the time. She seemed at most to be claiming that she agreed with the criticism recorded by Harman. And if Harman’s criticism is nothing more than the letter I have seen published from her, it is itself exceedingly weak and CYA given the gravity of the issues involved. Basically, the letter was more or less: Hey, I hope you guys double check the legality of this, OK?</p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, the post-World War II trials of Japanese Kempetai officials are probably the most immediately relevant.  At least one was convicted and executed for torturing American POWs, and a version of water-boarding was apparently his preferred method.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember, these idiots haven’t read the Constitution and don’t recognize treaty obligations as binding.  They’re supported in this by judicial idiots like Scalia, who doesn’t care what other courts think.  (In fairness to Scalia, his skepticism has some basis in reality with respect to procedural matters.  Not being interested in the substance, though — that’s so stupid it hurts.)  So a demonstration in the immediate past that the US defined waterboarding as torture is probably more helpful than a basketful of treaties and foreign court rulings.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the post-World War II trials of Japanese Kempetai officials are probably the most immediately relevant.  At least one was convicted and executed for torturing American POWs, and a version of water-boarding was apparently his preferred method.  </p>
<p>Remember, these idiots haven’t read the Constitution and don’t recognize treaty obligations as binding.  They’re supported in this by judicial idiots like Scalia, who doesn’t care what other courts think.  (In fairness to Scalia, his skepticism has some basis in reality with respect to procedural matters.  Not being interested in the substance, though — that’s so stupid it hurts.)  So a demonstration in the immediate past that the US defined waterboarding as torture is probably more helpful than a basketful of treaties and foreign court rulings.</p>
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		<title>By: Mithras61</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mithras61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, I want prosecutions more than I want to know the who/what/when of things, but I also think it may be a good thing to have public hearings on the issue as well. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the solution would be to have the hearings after the prosecutions so that the hearings make public what the prosecutions were about and why those who got off were given a pass (e.g. - cooperation with prosecution, etc, like in a normal criminal case). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think bringing the bright light to things after the fact of prosecution could be useful in making clear that this is NOT a partisan issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as a special prosecutor goes, I would press quite hard for an independant prosecutor as opposed to a special prosecutor. I want one who can follow wherever the trail leads and who answers only to us (not DOJ, Congress or the White House).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I want prosecutions more than I want to know the who/what/when of things, but I also think it may be a good thing to have public hearings on the issue as well. </p>
<p>Perhaps the solution would be to have the hearings after the prosecutions so that the hearings make public what the prosecutions were about and why those who got off were given a pass (e.g. &#8211; cooperation with prosecution, etc, like in a normal criminal case). </p>
<p>I think bringing the bright light to things after the fact of prosecution could be useful in making clear that this is NOT a partisan issue.</p>
<p>As far as a special prosecutor goes, I would press quite hard for an independant prosecutor as opposed to a special prosecutor. I want one who can follow wherever the trail leads and who answers only to us (not DOJ, Congress or the White House).</p>
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