Lemme at him, lemme at him. I’ll bring my own towel, my own board, and my own water!!

Whatta sh*tweasel.

I would imagine that the Republicans are so unpopular that even if not a single one supported this–which would make prosecution a partisan effort on its face–this would simply enhance their disgrace in the eyes of the American people.

“Mr. 183″ can be his campaign nickname.

Wow. He needs to find a new career quick. 2012 is now off the table for him.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2012 GOP presidential nominee

He’s a keeper.

It wouled be fun to see another re-run between him, the banjo player and Mme Palin. What a tribe!

I’ll hold your coat and your biscuitbarrel.
What a crock of SH*T!
Typical mainstream Republican…they can’t imagine doing anything except for their own political gain or their opponents loss, therefore nobody else could possibly be motivated by anything except political calculation.
Permanent Cranio-Rectal inversion/insertion.

Feh!
FunnyDiva

Bill Marriott appointed him to the board of Marriott in January. We should let Marriott know.

So the GOP is The Torture Party? Is that where they want to go now?

Especially with anywhere between half and two-thirds of Americans in favor of investigations of Bush wrongdoing, including torture, you’d think some clever GOP would realize this isn’t a winning strategy. Oops, oxymoron alert: “clever GOP.”

yeah Mitt’s all heart
Romney Strapped Dog to Car Roof

With dickwads like Bush/Chaney/Romney you don’t have to guess where they stand on anything. Dems have no idea what side our leaders will take anymore.

Shorter Mitt: “My underwear is just torture. It’s cutting off the circulation to my brain. I mean my penis.”

Find a sexual angle to the torture and the Republics will demand detailed investigations. They miss their heady days of invesigating Clinton.

1/2 to 2/3 of Americans are in favor of investigating and prosecuting people in the Bush Administration for wrongdoing. I find that hard to believe but also stupid. Obama even has said that this is the time to move forward. What good is going to come from hunting these people down and prosecuting. It would be a waste of money and not prevent any future harm because most likely these people are out of office. Have people who have been “tortured” been killed, limbs cut off???? I don’t understand why people would decide that this is a prudent use of our time and resources.

WHERE O WHERE ARE all those lovely able bodied sons of HIS NOW?mebee they can ENLIST and go find the EVIL DOERS!…lets go write im a letter and get a few signatures

campaign is over wats the excuse now?

[shaking head sadly at the whole sorry story]

There’s nothing that could be more hostile than saying we’re going to go after the prior administration and see if we can make them all get lawyers and pay millions of dollars in legal fees, and drag them in for hearings, and see if we can really demonize the prior administration. That’s the lowest form of partisanship,

Nothing more hostile? There must be something more hostile than that. Oh of course, TORTURE! And then there is TORTURE For Neocon Oil Wars. Allowing War Crimes to be punished is so partisan.

Then there is the issue of General Romney and his military expertise. Mit and his family are experts at staying out of the military. Although Mit loved the Irak Oil War, hs sons, Dip, Stick, Bit, Pit, Brit, and Nitwit refused to do military service. Chicken Hawks, a family tradition.

sad4america,
Maybe you missed the news that several of the Justice lawyers writing these “opinions” supporting torture are still practicing attorneys and at least one is a federal judge. You actually want people of this calibre in the justice system? Maybe you also missed the news that every branch of service with “boots on the ground” opposes torture.

Sad 4 U.

Have people who have been “tortured” been killed

Yes, over a hundred. That you even ask this question reveals you’re not paying attention. Just walkin’ down the road, good little Eichmann that you are.

Wonder what Mitten’s dog thinks?

We’re on! Mitt is no match for two angry ladies armed with water!

All the torture that we have put some of the suspected terrorists through we have also put our guys through. Like police getting tazed as a part of their training. Obama should use this as an example and move past all this really insignificant bickering about something that is resolved. Focus on the economy that is what most of the American people want. I’m just guessing but I’m pretty confident that most Americans worry more about whether they have a secure job and stable economy around them than if a suspected terrorist is being kept awake a really long time and having water squirted on him in a really uncomfortable way. oh yeah with a physician on hand as well!?! yeah its not a sunny day in the park but it pales in comparision to what happens to Americans in other countries

FunnyDiva2002, we’re on our way! Mitt is no match for two angry ladies armed with water!

if investigating torture is the lowest form of bi-partisanship

WHAT IS TORTURE ???

I fail to understand how INVESTIGATING AN ACT could be worse than the act being investigated

the repuglitards are gonna have to splain how that works

yes but it is now illegal, Obama clarified the legalities of it all, correct. So what comes of this prosecution I ask

Willard is a rat.

Sadly enough, we have a troll.

Is there a report of that or an article out there on that you would be so kind to share

Because if Richard Nixon had died in prison, if Caspar Weinberger had died in prison, if Oliver North were in prison now, NONE of this extra-constitutional, illegal activity of Bush/Cheney would have ever happened.

We must define, now, for future generations of Americans, that there are swift and severe penalties for violating humankind’s ban on torture. More than 100 detainees have died at our hands, probably from torture.

Torture is not an American value, torture is not a human value. We must make sure we can tell our descendants: NEVER AGAIN.

Go peddle your “concern” over at RedState. I think you will find a more sympathetic audience.

I am an average American concerned about my Job, Family, Home, Economy etc… But I also think it is of paramount importance to get to the bottom of what some folks did in my name regardless of the ticking time bomb scenario.

Pathetic pukes who had to investigate a BJ between two consenting adults in the public forumn now want to “move on” over torture. Glad to see that the GOP platform is pro-torture. Based on the last 2 elections it has been a winner. Go GOP the brightest bulbs on the planet!

Why, Mrs Tarquin,
how did you know I’m an Aquarius?!
Though I’m thinking our Wrighteous and Lawful Wrath should be enough, even without the water…
XOXO
FunnyD

Here, and it’s from your favorite network!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150601,00.html

The USA waterboarded a service man 186 times??!!! Get real. Take your crap back to where you got it.

They are serving right along side the members of the Bush Family in a super-duper-secret unit.

in an undisclosed location!

FunnyD

The ‘kept us safe’ meme is an outrageous example of doublespeak. It needs to be smacked down strongly and repeatedly.

Republicans will fly into a rage when reminded of the obvious fact (we’re talking ‘water is wet’ obvious) that 9/11 happened on their watch. That’s our opening to mock them mercilessly.

Hmm. Thoughtful of you.

We are either a nation of laws or we have anarchy – Can’t have it both ways. If we only look forward we are likely to miss a lot of murderers, rapists, bank robbers, etc. Crimes which were committed by the Bushies ARE in the past.

The rule of law means nothing to barbarians such as our troll.

Here is a little info on why he may be sooo against this, although the church lawyers seem to disagree
http://blogs.sltrib.com/slcraw…..-mafia.htm

Does he think the Nuremberg Trials were an exercise in partisanship? Does he? Would he like to address Holocaust survivors and their families about this?
What an amoral idiot.

9/11 happened on their watch

details details

Leave it to a presidental candidate even the GOP wanted no part of to claim that “bipartisanship” means refusing to enforce the law. I’ll bet the guy made his fortune in investment banking or credit cards, industries whose business model demands the same definition of “bipartisan”.

I can’t begin to guess how venomous this situation would be, were the roles/political parties involved reversed.

I don’t want this to be partisan. As I asked a red-state acquaintance a month or more ago, when can we stop the red/blue bs and start the American argument.

He took that to mean I was questioning his patriotism and told me that he was more patriotic than I would ever be.

We no longer speak. You know…. battle of wits…. unarmed…..

You assume I’m all for republicans because I think our government should focus its resources on more pressing issues. Both of the parties have a lot of idiots and corruptions in them which makes for waste of many kinds. I just want my tax dollars to go toward something that helps me, my neighborhood, and my country. I agree that torture is not an American value but I also see this as a gray area like Abortion. The judges and laywers and the Administration made the decisions on this just like the debate on Abortion. People are passionate about this issue and it is easiest to ban it which Obama has done and clarified the law. If Abortion were to become illegal because as long as it is legal people will not stop fighting it will they then want to go after government officials, judges, lawyers and doctors who performed abortions.

OK, Mittens, have it your way. You want to go down in history as the guy who wanted to let people get away with torture? OK – done.

You stupid, ridiculous man.

Nothing like having a Mormon (Romney) defend another Mormon (Bybee) or the other Mormons who designed the torute techniques (Mitchell & Jessen).

183 actually and no I highly doubt it. I’m not defending that it was done, I think now that it is stopped resorces should be put towards better areas of need. It seems petty to me.

Touture is already illegal. Abortion is not. This is not about declaring something illegal in 2009 that was legal in 2003. This is about justice for laws that were broken. We have had laws that made torture illegal for decades. This is not new.

Don’t feed the troll, folks. It’s disturbin’ my lurkin.’

It’s tough to not assume you are a “repugnant” given your arguments and lack of awareness of facts about just how bad this waterboarding was applied, who was involved and who is opposed to it.

So, I’ll paraphrase a question I asked earlier…Would you want to meet one of the authors of these Justice Dept pro-torture opinions as your defense counsel, your prosecutor or your judge should you be arrested for something you didn’t do?

You’re going to make me cry. I must be extra sensitive today, with all that’s going on.
PS, I found an interesting quote by a Russian poet that made me feel better…posted it on a diary at Oxdown. Probably only for people who think outside of the box.

108 people died out of 65,000 people that .1661% of the people and some of those were natural causes. I’m not saying nothing wrong happened but that seems pretty low risk to me.

Let’s say I robbed someone 5 years ago. It was illegal then. It is illegal now. Should I not be prosecuted becauase “that was in the past – we have to look forward, not back?”

3000 people out of a country of over 3 million died on 9/11 – less than 0.1% Should we not have gone after the people who carried out the attacks? “Seems pretty low risk to me.”

The right just gets wingnuttier and wingnuttier… but sadly the MSM gives a false impression, making it seem like these ideas are more mainstream than they really are.

These are dangerous times, with the economy tanking, history has shown us, the more radical factions on the left and the right tend to gain more traction than they would in ordinary times.

And right now, it seems the extremists on the right are mobilizing hard. This country could take a very ugly turn if we’re not very careful.

It’s called “Fair and Balanced.” Every opinion has credence – no matter how insane. Thanks Fox News.

Only if you’re not one of the dead ones or members of their family.

You know, maybe it’s time that we just forget about “bi-partnership” and working together with repugnants. Maybe it’s time that we look for the best plans, policies and laws we can commit to and consider the repugnants irrelavent.

That’s what I’m going to do starting now. When a repugnant says something repugnant, I don’t hear it

You didn’t know about the deaths in the first place, because you didn’t trouble yourself to know. That your mindset is such that you *then* pick up a calculator and blithely proclaim homocidal and torture practices committed by your own government to be “low risk” is beyond despicable.

it is like partial birth and 1st trimester. The gray areas of torture because waterboarding wasn’t considered torture and now it is.

Christy upstairs with Jameel Jaffer of the ACLU with a chat on torture

BUSH PROVES ROVE AND FOX ARE LYING ABOUT TORTURE
by Jed Lewison

Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 10:02:03 AM PDT

Over the past couple of days, Karl Rove and Fox News have offered a new argument in defense of the Bush administration’s torture policies.

Now, they say, waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) yielded intelligence that led to the disruption of an al Qaeda plot to attack the tallest building in Los Angeles, the Library Tower (which both Bush and Rove called the Liberty Tower, for some reason). There’s just one problem with Rove’s new story: it couldn’t possibly be true.

As Timothy Noah pointed out in Slate, the Los Angeles attack was foiled in February of 2002. KSM was not captured until March of 2003, however — more than a year later.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that timeline is impossible. Perhaps appropriately, then, here’s a video of George W. Bush — in his own words — proving that Karl Rove and Fox News are lying about torture:

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001220/

sadforamerica? So are we. You’ve been here before, and as I recall, didn’t recruit any converts to your way of thinking. I find that people are really upset right now. And, with good cause, so you must only be here to bother, pester, ridicule and be mean.
May I kindly suggest you go find someone else your own size to bother.

Waterboarding has been considered torture for hundreds of years. Washington wouldn’t even allow British troops to be tortured. But again, of course, you don’t trouble yourself to know.

Article 7. The official position of defendants, whether as Heads of State or responsible officials in Government Departments, shall not be considered as freeing them from responsibility or mitigating punishment.

- London Charter of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.

torture on your watch is a crime. japanese officials were executed after WWII for that very crime.

The US has, in the past, prosecuted and convicted people who waterboarded US soldiers for torture. Waterboarding is torture, and it is, and has been, illegal.

Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project is upstairs with Christy

Most here are to nice to say it…I’m not.
Shut up, [Edited by mod - let’s not be insulting].

Actually I don’t think anyone was executed for waterboarding alone. If I remember my history classes correctly, the Japanese convicted of waterboarding as war crimes served a number of years at hard labor/

300 million .001%. Good analogy. but that was diliberate in order to kill and destroy. so yes make sure those who did it come to justice and more importantly make sure it doesn’t happen again. Those 108 deaths were not from torture in the article I was given. Natural causes was one explanation and like i said not saying improper behavior yielded many of them but it is a legal issue of right and wrong.

And also yes I believe living in the US is very low risk and I personally feel safer knowing that our country tried to do something about it to make us safer. This is not condoning torture, focus on what I’m saying not arguements.

trolls out again tonight. Must be the full moon.

I’m not trying to be mean I just don’t see the point of going after something that is settled. Maybe I’m nieve but I really don’t think it is settled but this administration will hid it a lot better and use other methods to obtain what information that they desire.

It’s so not a full moon, but you are most welcome to join Christy’s chat with Jameel Jaffer of ACLU….c’mon.:)

Just watched the videos.

Thanks for sharing this!! I hope it gets lots of coverage. Can’t imagine a better way to show how low down and utterly incompetent these liars are.

If the FBI, Army, Marines and Air Force think it’s torture, then who am I to disagree?

Jane is quoting from the Senate Armed Services Committee Report of its Inquiry into the Treatment of Detainees in U.S. Custody. See for example p. xviii

Please read your comment again, out loud to yourself. Settled or not settled?

You are confused and a bad speller!

right which makes this even sillier to good after past people. I think torture will still be around because people are flawed. The government has taken a hard line that has defined what is and isn’t torture and it just needs to be expressed and followed. For this to be such a huge topic when our nation has much greater issues to deal with just astounds me. Do people really believe that prosecuting people is gonna stop the hidden torture and improper tactics that are not allowed but also not looked the other way at. Enforce the law and don’t engage in a fruitless battle, thats all

Of course, by ‘Democrats are making a mistake,’ Romney means, ‘Please stop making a big deal out of this.’
It’s not like he’s offering friendly advice; he’s throwing shadows on the wall to scare the Dems.
This reminds me of when George Will, Bill Kristol or Charles Krauthammer write columns during the primaries and the general elections, pointing out perceived weaknesses in the Dem candidates and offering them ways to overcome these weaknesses.
And apparently Romney doesn’t consider an economic meltdown as a security issue, which just illuminates his limited understanding of security issues.

Let him speak, only one thing – he will eat his own words at some point! However, if you kill someone you go to jail, if caught. I don’t make this rule, our laws do. Torture is against the law.

What this is about is what the law says, not what politicians say; torture is illegal both here and internationally – Don’t let the politicians try to justify the means, the law will guild us to where ever it takes us!

the japanese who waterboarded americans got hard labor. those who tortured civilians in singapore were sentenced to hang.

http://robinrowland.com/garret…..crime.html

You know, investigations need to begin with the FCC, because both the WH and DOD and CIA needed a pulpit to get there message out, so the correspondence between some media agencies and the agencies who practiced and wrote the torture playbooks may be why that media agency does what it does, give out misinformation and lie to protect in the name of self interest!

Just a ???

If bad behaviour is never sanctioned, then it will never be constrained, it will be repeated again and again.

How often did you change your behaviour because your mother said “don’t do that!”? How about when she spanked you? Or denied you dessert? Or sent you to your room? Or grounded you? Or confiscated some toy? Or revoked a privilege like TV? Or made you apologize in person, perhaps in public?

Holding people accountable does elevate the public discourse, the palate of reasonable accountability is what we’re debating.

You seem to think that telling the various branches of the government “Don’t do that!” will suffice. I don’t.

Waterboarding has been considered torture for a very very long time. It was used by the Spanish Inquisition.
This is not a gray area.
None of the torture techniques we are talking about are in a gray area.
When regimes have used this against our soldiers–we have called it torture.
When we learn about its use in history–we have called it torture.
I appreciate your attempts to debate, but I think a lot of readers are irritated that you are taking such extreme positions without knowing the facts.
You need to educate yourself better. Then come back and argue–if you still disagree that when the laws that are supposed to protect people in the most basic ways are broken.

on the same topic, but different person, Holder is speaking as of now, and Congressmen Wolf of Virgina – made a statement to Holder before asking him a question and with in the context of his statement made a reference to Holder “…your people…” regarding the prisons…Sh*t, I want the transcripts NOW!

I think the Romney and Glenn Beck should be confronted with a case of a soldier, a Mormon, and a skilled speakeer of Arabic, who found what she was being asked to participate in so dispicable, so inhumane, and so antagonistic to her Christian faith…that she refused.

That soldier was then harassed, told “your putting personal beliefs above your duty”, “You not being professional”, and was resassigned to a demeaning task.

She eventually comitted suicide.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..90517.html

The Army covered up everything about the causes of her death, the harassment she received, and then destroyed all documentation of the types of tortures she was asked to participate in.

Reporter: “Would you even treat your dog this way?”

Romney: “Sure I would, I’d beat my dog to an inch of it’s life if I thought that it might, just might, be a talking dog who had information about an Al Qaida-Romulan alliance to laser beam Salt Lake City!

By the way, where’s my dog? Someone told me I have to go see some movie called “Men In Black” with him.”

Why should you have all the fun?

Reporter: “Would you even treat your dag this way?”

Romney: “Sure, If she was a bitch”

Reporter: “Would you even treat your wife this way?”

Romney: “Sure, If she was a bitch”

The Dutch used it on the British in Amboyna (now Indonesia) in 1623. And also their Japanese servants, who were unlikely to have any information about some “assassination plot against the Governor”. This claim was likely a pretence to eliminate their trading rivals in the region, the goal being to coerce confessions (which were obtained, though in a fantastic framework for an impossible plot), then to frighten off any future competitors in the Spice Islands.

http://www.geheugenvannederlan…..ONB06:0053

That “plan” actually backfired, resulting instead in the British being stimulated to, not one, but TWO all out wars on the Dutch.

I think maybe Romney should ask Don Siegelman what the lowest form of partisanship is. Or Bill Clinton, for that matter. Need I say more?

Huh. You’re right. We should put the Department of Justice to work on bank bailouts with the Treasury, or maybe send them on tours of service with the Marine Corp.

Oh wait, you mean they’re lawyers; not economists or soldiers. That’s great news! That means we can uphold our legal and humanitarian obligations to prosecute crimes while simultaneously performing other crisis management roles and functions of government.

Or are you advocating just shutting down the judiciary entirely, because it’s just too resource intensive and distracting to keep running when we have so many problems facing us?

Ahhh…Mitt-the-twit pokes his over hair-sprayed pointee head up again – just to get the crap slapped out of himself again…

This position that basically says – I can torture, break international law, not tell anyone, and when I get caught you can’t investigate me or SEND ME TO JAIL because that’s ‘partisan’….

What an idiot…IF you broke international law and committed international WAR CRIMES that people in the past have been EXECUTED for, then investigation, prosecution if warranted and JAIL is in your future…MITT-THE-TWIT !!!

That article sent me showed no findings that torture cause the deaths of 108 people. It did not say either way, it did say some deaths were natural causes. I believe that rate is safer than many hospital procedures. Yes I’m looking at the numbers. I also said yes torture is wrong I’m not fighting that I’m saying some of this is blown out of proportion. The people that tortured and injured and killed people is obviously not ok and that was not legal by any stretch of the imagination but some of this is getting stretched too far. Like a frivolous lawsuit where a person wants $4 million dollars because there neighbor feed there dog McDonalds and that meat and I’m a vegan and now I can’t look at my dog the same way ever again or sleep at night. Craziness

sadinamerican,

Call 911 immediately!

Someone at your address needs serious medical attention.

This is not a joke or snarkie comment!

CAll immediately!

Post again when they arrive and we’ll help them with the evaluation from postings above.

Call now!And, I apologize for egging you on earlier, sincerely.

Call now!