Comments on: Secession and Racism http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:42:10 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: geecie30 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1883340 geecie30 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:50:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1883340 <p>I hate the bailouts and now the fat cats are sponsering their methods to regain their power. If we ever allow the GOP to get back into office we will become the most brutish corporate empire on the face of the earth. We will become a police state as well. Obama needs to rid himself of the bad guys in office now. I hope they haven’t already corrupted him. They are trying right now. The protests need to remain focused on the bailouts not the taxes. The rich need to be pinatas and we should shake all the wealth that the lobbyists stole from the wage slaves. Housing and health are human rights for all people all around the world. If you don’t like that then you can move to an island with right wingers and try your economic values on each other.</p> I hate the bailouts and now the fat cats are sponsering their methods to regain their power. If we ever allow the GOP to get back into office we will become the most brutish corporate empire on the face of the earth. We will become a police state as well. Obama needs to rid himself of the bad guys in office now. I hope they haven’t already corrupted him. They are trying right now. The protests need to remain focused on the bailouts not the taxes. The rich need to be pinatas and we should shake all the wealth that the lobbyists stole from the wage slaves. Housing and health are human rights for all people all around the world. If you don’t like that then you can move to an island with right wingers and try your economic values on each other.

]]> By: dmac http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1883030 dmac Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:17:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1883030 <p>thanks. the guy who said it isn’t in the real world.</p> <p>and the ‘hovel’?<br /> i think that it was a place of your own.</p> <p>and a lot of things can fall into disrepair in 6 years and neighborhoods can change a lot in 6 years. and you measure things differently than you did 6 years ago, even measuring from today. could be a lot of things why.</p> thanks. the guy who said it isn’t in the real world.

and the ‘hovel’?
i think that it was a place of your own.

and a lot of things can fall into disrepair in 6 years and neighborhoods can change a lot in 6 years. and you measure things differently than you did 6 years ago, even measuring from today. could be a lot of things why.

]]> By: james http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882999 james Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:45:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882999 <p>The scary thing about waxing nostalgic for the fifties is taht vision of America really didn’t exist.</p> <p>Stephanie Kuntz (?) in her book The Way We Never Were shatters many of the old memories we have. For instance, how many women actually were stay at home moms? Who were all those women who were teachers in the schools, and the cafteria ladies, and the school nurses, and the secretaries in all the offices throughout the country? These were jobs, many of them, which would have allowed a woman to work outside the home while still being home when the kids got home from school.</p> <p>Looking at labor statisitcs from the same decade, there were more women employed at part-time jobs than most of us realize.</p> <p>What I’m saying is the thing we yearn for falls into that category of being a dream. I remember living in what I thought was a luxurious home that my young wife and I rented in North Carolina just before I left for Vietnam in 1969. When I returned to that place after 6 years it turned out to be a shack, a real hovel. Yet my wife and I both had visions of it being a beautiful place. Maybe it was the blinders of young love.</p> The scary thing about waxing nostalgic for the fifties is taht vision of America really didn’t exist.

Stephanie Kuntz (?) in her book The Way We Never Were shatters many of the old memories we have. For instance, how many women actually were stay at home moms? Who were all those women who were teachers in the schools, and the cafteria ladies, and the school nurses, and the secretaries in all the offices throughout the country? These were jobs, many of them, which would have allowed a woman to work outside the home while still being home when the kids got home from school.

Looking at labor statisitcs from the same decade, there were more women employed at part-time jobs than most of us realize.

What I’m saying is the thing we yearn for falls into that category of being a dream. I remember living in what I thought was a luxurious home that my young wife and I rented in North Carolina just before I left for Vietnam in 1969. When I returned to that place after 6 years it turned out to be a shack, a real hovel. Yet my wife and I both had visions of it being a beautiful place. Maybe it was the blinders of young love.

]]> By: james http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882990 james Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:30:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882990 <p>Get hold of Reunion Without Compromise by Michael Perman one of the seminal books on the confederate strategy to obstructing Reconstruction from 1865 to 1868. As you read it you’ll find yourself inserting names of current GOP obstructionists for the names of the southerners, Like South Carolina governor, Benjamin Perry, who were determined not to go along with any policy that came from Congress or from the Republicans, especially those damned Radicals who were pushing for punishing the south.</p> <p>It worked for them then and they’ve never changed their ways. Either give us what we want or we’ll collectively hold our breath and bring this union down.</p> <p>And they refused then to agree that what they had done was unconstitutional or treasonous. They wrapped themselves in the flag and stated they were only trying to protect the constitution from those who would act against it.</p> Get hold of Reunion Without Compromise by Michael Perman one of the seminal books on the confederate strategy to obstructing Reconstruction from 1865 to 1868. As you read it you’ll find yourself inserting names of current GOP obstructionists for the names of the southerners, Like South Carolina governor, Benjamin Perry, who were determined not to go along with any policy that came from Congress or from the Republicans, especially those damned Radicals who were pushing for punishing the south.

It worked for them then and they’ve never changed their ways. Either give us what we want or we’ll collectively hold our breath and bring this union down.

And they refused then to agree that what they had done was unconstitutional or treasonous. They wrapped themselves in the flag and stated they were only trying to protect the constitution from those who would act against it.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882968 selise Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:58:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882968 <p>see my comment @29.</p> see my comment @29.

]]> By: dmac http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882961 dmac Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:53:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882961 <p>thanks!</p> <p>yeah, my mind is in the tea river gutter. you should have seen what all i had to delete from my oxdown diary. good stuff too. just came streamin’ out of me. obliquely. when i read it i said, ooops, can’t write that one. ooops. wow. can’t do that one either. scary. i’ve turned into a subliminal potty mouth.</p> <p>here’s another one from the other day—though clean—</p> <p>just because you can write a letter doesn’t mean you have something to say.<br /> said to a talk show host who said something about people dialing the phone to call him. ha.</p> thanks!

yeah, my mind is in the tea river gutter. you should have seen what all i had to delete from my oxdown diary. good stuff too. just came streamin’ out of me. obliquely. when i read it i said, ooops, can’t write that one. ooops. wow. can’t do that one either. scary. i’ve turned into a subliminal potty mouth.

here’s another one from the other day—though clean—

just because you can write a letter doesn’t mean you have something to say.
said to a talk show host who said something about people dialing the phone to call him. ha.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882957 cinnamonape Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:47:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882957 <p>Selise…I can understand this perhaps coming from the grumbling of a disaffected mass. But it’s actually being fueled by their leadership. I don’t recall any Democratic Governors, Congressmen, or even State level Legislators stating that “California should secede”. Yet these “10th Amendment Nullification” amendments are popping up everywhere…and are being pushed by prominent people within the Republican Party.</p> <p>In addition…I can’t recall anyone suggesting that Bush’s violation of the Constitution NULLIFIED it? What that would mean would be that once the Supreme Court overturned a single Federal action as Unconstitutional they have “decided themselves out of existence” since the Constitution, which is their basis for existence, no longer holds.</p> <p>These Amendments are simply illogical and utterly Unconstitutional.</p> <p>Does a police department violating the law nullify that law? Does it nullify the City Charter? These people are loony!</p> Selise…I can understand this perhaps coming from the grumbling of a disaffected mass. But it’s actually being fueled by their leadership. I don’t recall any Democratic Governors, Congressmen, or even State level Legislators stating that “California should secede”. Yet these “10th Amendment Nullification” amendments are popping up everywhere…and are being pushed by prominent people within the Republican Party.

In addition…I can’t recall anyone suggesting that Bush’s violation of the Constitution NULLIFIED it? What that would mean would be that once the Supreme Court overturned a single Federal action as Unconstitutional they have “decided themselves out of existence” since the Constitution, which is their basis for existence, no longer holds.

These Amendments are simply illogical and utterly Unconstitutional.

Does a police department violating the law nullify that law? Does it nullify the City Charter? These people are loony!

]]> By: oregondave http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882947 oregondave Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:23:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882947 <p>According to the Georgia Senate resolution, George W. Bush has already nullified the Constitution, by his Executive Orders.</p> <p>Is there anyone who is in a position to point this out to them, and ask them what they plan to do about it?</p> According to the Georgia Senate resolution, George W. Bush has already nullified the Constitution, by his Executive Orders.

Is there anyone who is in a position to point this out to them, and ask them what they plan to do about it?

]]> By: Glenn W. Smith http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882942 Glenn W. Smith Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:19:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882942 <p>If you want to elaborate some day, and I hope you do because you’re right, please consider the title, “The Rooster’s Coop.” Yours wins best metaphor of the thread award! Though, I’d be careful about rooster-heads-in-sand mashups. :)</p> If you want to elaborate some day, and I hope you do because you’re right, please consider the title, “The Rooster’s Coop.” Yours wins best metaphor of the thread award! Though, I’d be careful about rooster-heads-in-sand mashups. :)

]]> By: dmac http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882935 dmac Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:08:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/secession-and-racism/#comment-1882935 <p>yep.<br /> but if you think you’re the rooster of your own coop, and content to keep your head in the sand, that’s the kind of thing you embrace. oppression.<br /> in your house and in your government.</p> yep.
but if you think you’re the rooster of your own coop, and content to keep your head in the sand, that’s the kind of thing you embrace. oppression.
in your house and in your government.

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