1. "This was a Black Swan."
This crisis was not a rare, unpredictable or random event. However, the people pushing this idea are not named Taleb. Taleb argues the reverse in his book: that rather than this being an improbable and unforseeable event, such as the discovery of anti-biotics, it was the result of systematic decisions, as this quote from the above link:
Globalization creates interlocking fragility, while reducing volatility and giving the appearance of stability. In other words it creates devastating Black Swans. We have never lived before under the threat of a global collapse. Financial Institutions have been merging into a smaller number of very large banks. Almost all banks are interrelated. So the financial ecology is swelling into gigantic, incestuous, bureaucratic banks – when one fails, they all fall. The increased concentration among banks seems to have the effect of making financial crises less likely, but when they happen they are more global in scale and hit us very hard. We have moved from a diversified ecology of small banks, with varied lending policies, to a more homogeneous framework of firms that all resemble one another. True, we now have fewer failures, but when they occur ….I shiver at the thought.
2. Free Trade created this problem.
On the contrary, the large driver of the credit crunch was housing, and a bloated war in Iraq, plus the policies of a Federal Reserve that accommodated these problems. The US does not trade in houses, real estate is a "non-tradeable." What caused the problem was the destruction of manufacturing in the United States caused by competition from abroad, and from within. The abroad part is "free trade," in quotes here, but the more important component is government demand for war material, and personal demand for houses. Both of which are not traded. It is protectionism for some industries combined with race to the bottom absolute advantage for others that caused this crisis. As one can easily see from this graph, the inflation adjusted housing bubble is where the money went into.
3. "The Worst is Behind Us."
This quote from Larry Summers is a "Bushism." An unintentional bit of truth. If by "us" you mean, "the large money center banks," it is probably true. The US has demonstrated that it can force taxpayers to bail out banks indefinitely without political cost. No one will stop the bail outs, no one will unelect the bailers out. Hence a strong message to those who where hoping the banks would fall and be bought up cheap, that it is time to get back into the water. However, for the rest of us, there is what is called an "L-Shaped Recovery" coming.
4. We are in for an "L" shaped-recovery.
The economic powers that be are arguing over a "V"- shaped recovery, the kind the US has known between 1945 and 1982, and an "L" shaped recovery. Of which there has been one, the early 1990′s recovery really was L shaped. However, the 2000′s recovery wasn’t. Things continued to get worse for the labor market well after the economy had hit bottom. It wasn’t "L" shaped, it was "J" shaped – plunge, slow grind down, and then a pick up.
As fearful as people may be of an L shaped recovery, the J is worse, because many people will not make it to the other side.
As Krugman pointed out, the way Japan got out of its bright depression was an export boom. Finance had little to do with it. If Geithner et al can tell us which planet the US is going to be exporting the aircraft carriers we build to, I’d be fascinated to hear it, because only this will drive a "V" shaped recovery by putting slack capacity online.
5. Populism is dead.
If there is a single belief that radiates from Washington DC, it is that populism is not a political force to be reckoned with. The banks were bailed out, the public owes the money, both in the form of debt, and in the form of stagnation caused by a long term austerity program, and nothing is going to be done about it. This may seem true in the present frozen down circumstances. However, the leading indicators do not favor it. The public wants something done, and is backing the only people who can do something about it: namely President Obama and the Democratic Party. The failure of the Tea Party to be more than the far right wing on parade, unlike in 2006, when protest against Iraq multiplied out to people who were otherwise not of the left, shows that right wing populism, while it seethes does not move.
However, this would be to fail to look at the internals of several polls, which show that while approval numbers of the Congress and the President are high, the approval numbers of their specific policies is low. The pattern with Bush was that over time, approval of the President becomes approval of his policies. Bush hid behind approval of his handling of terrorism, with a country fearful of the results. The same is true here, it is impossible to regulate another collapse out of existence, because it is not caused by the specific fraud of the banks, but, as Taleb and others show, from a systematic fragility, and as the left has long argued, over the stagnation of wages for labor. Over time, profits must be paid by labor, and if labor stagnates, then profits can only be generated by risk. Risk which must, eventually, happen.
So arm yourself with the reality that while the prodigal bankers have walked away from crashing the Porsche, nothing has happened to prevent it from happening again. And the public is not willing to wait forever.



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Excellent post. Do we get out the pitchforks and torches yet?
A clean slate is needed to create a new economy…the Bush/Paulson/Berneke/Summers/Geithner/Obama economics of not spending enough on the poor and middleclass and spending too much on the Rich is as fucked up as Hogans goat.
“…the prodigal bankers have walked away from crashing the Porsche” is a good analogy. The question is, will the rest of us walk away from our burning subdivisions and the wrecks of our Chevys? I totally agree with you that populism will expand if the bankers continue to believe that saving themselves fixes the rest of us. The most important thing I’ve learned from this crisis is that the rich are only interesting in spreading their personal risks among all citizens while not allowing the populace to do the same. That’s not democracy or free enterprise.
How about we add #6 Bush kept us safe.
When people are loosing their jobs, houses and savings that is hardly safe.
6. Those greedy Icelanders are to blame.
Maybe not so much.
There seems to be “suspicions of criminal actions”, such as banks giving themselves loans. These goofy loans were given for the purpose of buying shares in Iceland banks. The shares were collateral for the loans. This New Banking is so brilliant that it should be protected by “intellectual property” rights.
This is known as making bets with Other People’s Money. As I recall, Geithner and Summers are also very skilled at making bad bets with Other People’s Money.
Pitchforks are only useful, if there is a way to make hay with them as well. Right now there is a clear need for a progressive policy apparatus that will put progressive ideas before the public with the same regularity as centrist and right wing ideas are put before the public.
Book Salon upstairs with Kim Phillips-Fein’s Invisible Hands: The Making of the Conservative Movement from The New Deal to Reagan hosted by Rick Perlstein
of course free trade created the problem, the very notion that there is such a thing is rediculous and free trade is code for “let us do whatever we want, don’t make us pay our own bills”
the crunch was NOT housing, that was a sympton of the disease, it was NOT the disease
the policies of the fed WERE the policies of free trade, greenspan said so himself
excuse me stirling, that happened because of free trade, there is nothing else that caused the collapse of our ability to manufacture then the rediculous notion of “free trade”
you have your definitions, cause and effect completely obscured
I’m glad you disclaimed that statement with “for some industries” because the very reason we lost our ability to manufacture was the lack of protectionism
economies MUST have protectionism for their labor force otherwise their ability to manufacture WILL collapse
perhaps you mean “protectionism of corporate profit” and then I would agree however we absolutely must protect labor and their ability to gain wealth through their labor otherwise manufacturing will collapse
Well done Perriss.
The big prize in the “free trade” movement was access to the American consumer market. We gave it away and got nothing for it. I am ready to be a protectionist.
I agree with the above posters @ 8&9.
I see the banksters using our homes, resources and actual manufacturing base as collateral for their schemes.
The ONLY way to get America back to producing is going to be green technology IMO. But that’s going to take a long time.
Obama’s “stimulus” is relying on the same “spend ’til you drop” attitudes that got US here.
Now, we’re losing our auto manufacturing. Wait ’til we get to the SS part and they say there’s nothing left and Obama capitulates once again on his campaign promises because the cupboard is bare. And Health care? forget it.
His “first 100 days” has been giving away the farm and any chance to get the farm back as fast as he can before people really wake up to what is going on.
AND populism may be dead if they decide we’re too much trouble to deal with and shut down the internet ala good ol’ Jay Rockefeller or use NSPD 51 to eliminate the three branches.
This crap about Emmanuel saying they’re not interested in prosecuting the torturers is chilling to say the least. Why release the memosat all, then? Are they just waving a flag in front of the citizens and saying Na na na na, see what you f*ckers think YOU can do about it?
I’m beginning to wonder if there is any chance for any kind of recovery at all.
here’s what I mean by “protectionism” which is differant then what most believe;
when a product comes to our market produced with slave labor, slave wages, child labor, unsafe machinery and work conditions and through irresponsible manufacturing methods that pour their cancer in my moms water and bronchitis in my kids air, THAT PRODUCT MUST FACE A TARIFF comenserate with those differances
when a working laborer can’t put healthy food on the table, provide health care for his family, work just a 40 hour week and then be compensated exponentially, take vacation, educate his kids through college, take vacation and retire, THEN THE INDUSTRY EMPLOYING THAT LABORER IS STEALING from society
THAT product MUST face tariff
don’t get me wrong, I believe ALL countries should protect their local economy, ALL countries
that means if france insists on three weeks vacation for all labor then THEY should tariff OUR products the comenserate differance so they can protect their laborers standard of living
when a country insists on a 5 day work week and then exponential compensation, any country that allows a 6 day work week needs to have that product face the comenserate tariff
in this method we ALL raise the bar and a laborer actually gains the fruits of his labor
if a particular company satisfis a countries criteria that specific product should be allowed to enter the market even if the country does not over all satisfy that criteria
that will raise the bar, we are the family of man and we need to raise the bar for labor all across the globe
Populism next-steps:
(1) The banks have been bailed out. The next step is to bail out the rest of us, in the form of checks. There is no reason or fairness or expediency in stopping after bailing out the rich. (Consider that all federal guarantees above the old $100k FDIC limit ARE a bailout for the rich. That includes the raise to $250k, the bailout of money market funds, the bailout of Fannie/Freddie bondholders, loan guarantees, etc., etc.)
(2) Today’s CEO’s/execs pull in a much larger slice of the GNP pie. Why? Because of globalization. Did they do anything to deserve the bigger slice? No. Therefore, while I favor fair trade, I also favor a redistributionist policy to share the wealth with the rest of us. That means highly progressive taxation.
If we don’t do both of the above, we are simply being too kind to people who aren’t working *that hard* for their money. There’s no reason they should garner such a large slice of the pie. They are *not* working harder than their corporate predecessors.
And the checks in bullet 1 above should come from the Fed with no strings attached, without burdening later taxpayers.
Dang. We’d wanted to find a loving home for our out-moded pitch-fork (the serious, 6-tine type; means bidness). Must we keep it? Or can we please graduate to “shouting rabble” status? We’re with you in spirit, but our new cottage is small. Honest, we’ll find that good home so it won’t be wasted.
We will remain vigilant and activist. :->
Thanks btw, for a great post.