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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Apologies for the repeat…but&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As Penny Lernoux extensively documented in Cry of the People, the vast majority of the death squads in Latin America over the past sixty years acted on behalf of the US and our client rules. After Kermit Roosevelt’s splendid little coup in Iran (we all know how well tha turned out), our spooks and their death squads made Guatemala (1954 - Arbenz), Brasil (1964 - Goulart), Chile (1973) and El Salvador our own little shops of horrors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A great many of the Latin American dictators and military enforcers trained at our School of the Assassins - er - Americas, where the curriculum once included the fine art of incinerating passenger buses. They went home: &lt;em&gt;the torture teachers stayed here: in our military&lt;/em&gt;. CIA operatives flew to black sites, conducted torture, and flew home. Now &lt;em&gt;they’re here&lt;/em&gt;. Our troops and spooks and prison guards and torturers and docs and nurses and psychologists all conspired in torture. Now &lt;em&gt;they’re here&lt;/em&gt;, and they’re telling the rest of us not to investigate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re already facing the issue many Latin American nations faced: what do we do to prevent &lt;em&gt;the torturers among us&lt;/em&gt; from harming anyone else, or giving any more “orders”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Starting the Special Prosecutor investigation gives a hope of resolution. &lt;strong&gt;Official inaction emboldens the torturers&lt;/strong&gt; and the corporatists who brought them forth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for the repeat…but</p>
<blockquote><p>As Penny Lernoux extensively documented in Cry of the People, the vast majority of the death squads in Latin America over the past sixty years acted on behalf of the US and our client rules. After Kermit Roosevelt’s splendid little coup in Iran (we all know how well tha turned out), our spooks and their death squads made Guatemala (1954 &#8211; Arbenz), Brasil (1964 &#8211; Goulart), Chile (1973) and El Salvador our own little shops of horrors.</p>
<p>A great many of the Latin American dictators and military enforcers trained at our School of the Assassins &#8211; er &#8211; Americas, where the curriculum once included the fine art of incinerating passenger buses. They went home: <em>the torture teachers stayed here: in our military</em>. CIA operatives flew to black sites, conducted torture, and flew home. Now <em>they’re here</em>. Our troops and spooks and prison guards and torturers and docs and nurses and psychologists all conspired in torture. Now <em>they’re here</em>, and they’re telling the rest of us not to investigate.</p>
<p>We’re already facing the issue many Latin American nations faced: what do we do to prevent <em>the torturers among us</em> from harming anyone else, or giving any more “orders”?</p>
<p>Starting the Special Prosecutor investigation gives a hope of resolution. <strong>Official inaction emboldens the torturers</strong> and the corporatists who brought them forth.
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		<title>By: oregonideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>oregonideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;there is now no doubt what happened….agents of the US government committed repeated acts of torture, knowing it was trusting, but trusting they would never be held accountable for their acts.  President Obama is in a difficult position: does he pursue prosecution of those persons who committed such acts and “sidetrack” the nation’s attention to this very real issue; or does he say “bad stuff, but let bygones be bygones”  not an easy choice.  However, he’s a bright guy with bright folks around him,  hey surely they’re capable of multi-tasking.  The Bushies need to be held legally accountable for their actions; a) from a purely “punitive” stance; they need to pay for the horrible acts and b) we need to announce to future governmental agents, to our citizens and to the world, that such acts do not represent the values of our nation and will not be tolerated.  By the way, a really easy place to start is to “pull the papers” or all M.D.s who participated in torture in any way….including bneing present so it could be performed with their “failsafe” presence&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is now no doubt what happened….agents of the US government committed repeated acts of torture, knowing it was trusting, but trusting they would never be held accountable for their acts.  President Obama is in a difficult position: does he pursue prosecution of those persons who committed such acts and “sidetrack” the nation’s attention to this very real issue; or does he say “bad stuff, but let bygones be bygones”  not an easy choice.  However, he’s a bright guy with bright folks around him,  hey surely they’re capable of multi-tasking.  The Bushies need to be held legally accountable for their actions; a) from a purely “punitive” stance; they need to pay for the horrible acts and b) we need to announce to future governmental agents, to our citizens and to the world, that such acts do not represent the values of our nation and will not be tolerated.  By the way, a really easy place to start is to “pull the papers” or all M.D.s who participated in torture in any way….including bneing present so it could be performed with their “failsafe” presence</p>
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		<title>By: sisyphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;James Madison wrote: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would indeed be ironic if impeachment proceedings were brought against President Obama for the crimes committed by the Bush administration, simply because President Obama chose to “shelter” those lawbreakers from prosecution.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Madison wrote: </p>
<p>“If the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty…”</p>
<p>It would indeed be ironic if impeachment proceedings were brought against President Obama for the crimes committed by the Bush administration, simply because President Obama chose to “shelter” those lawbreakers from prosecution.</p>
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		<title>By: williek1</title>
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		<dc:creator>williek1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FINALLY– someone who understands what’s going on–   I wonder what the flap would be if Bill Clinton was in charge whan this went on–  ANY TAKERS?????&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FINALLY– someone who understands what’s going on–   I wonder what the flap would be if Bill Clinton was in charge whan this went on–  ANY TAKERS?????</p>
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		<title>By: williek1</title>
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		<dc:creator>williek1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi, gang-  While you’re burning gray matter, burn a little for the thousands that died at the hands of these ‘alleged” terorists–  Burn in your minds the images of Pearl being beheaded– and the troops hung from the bridges, and too many other images too disturbing for many, yet you cry over this issue like it really means something. We ARE better than that, but if we dont adapt our tactics to beat these beasts, then they will beat us.  One of the ways is in doing exactly what this article does; play on your good moral instincts.  What’s more sickening is reading so many of you crying over this, while knowing you’re all being played by the extremists and the terrorists.  Obama better grab his fiddle while he can-  He’ll only have one term to learn how to play it, then he’ll be gone, just like Carter and his ilk-  Have a wonderful day-&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, gang-  While you’re burning gray matter, burn a little for the thousands that died at the hands of these ‘alleged” terorists–  Burn in your minds the images of Pearl being beheaded– and the troops hung from the bridges, and too many other images too disturbing for many, yet you cry over this issue like it really means something. We ARE better than that, but if we dont adapt our tactics to beat these beasts, then they will beat us.  One of the ways is in doing exactly what this article does; play on your good moral instincts.  What’s more sickening is reading so many of you crying over this, while knowing you’re all being played by the extremists and the terrorists.  Obama better grab his fiddle while he can-  He’ll only have one term to learn how to play it, then he’ll be gone, just like Carter and his ilk-  Have a wonderful day-</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In reply to #96:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The biggest problem I have is these goons will be getting a paycheck next Friday.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exactly!  Not only have these war criminals not been prosecuted, they’ve not been fired, demoted, or even reprimanded for their misdeeds.  In fact, Tenet got a Freedom Medal for his participation in these crimes against humanity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to #96:</p>
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<p>The biggest problem I have is these goons will be getting a paycheck next Friday.</p>
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<p>Exactly!  Not only have these war criminals not been prosecuted, they’ve not been fired, demoted, or even reprimanded for their misdeeds.  In fact, Tenet got a Freedom Medal for his participation in these crimes against humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is “going forward” a good defense? I would say most crimes are in the past. Wonder if this is a trend?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Failure to address these crimes prevents us from going forward, as well it should.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is “going forward” a good defense? I would say most crimes are in the past. Wonder if this is a trend?</p>
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<p>Failure to address these crimes prevents us from going forward, as well it should.</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The biggest problem I have is these goons will be getting a paycheck next Friday. It would seem the CIA is populated with an unknown number of international war criminals. Who are they and are they still in allegiance with Bush and CHENEY ? Remember Ms. Goodling let slip she took an oath to the president.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There must be a stand down of the CIA until each and every war criminal who watched, acted or covered up torture is tried and convicted then President Obama can pardon them all.&lt;br /&gt;
As of right now President Obama is relying on advice from admitted war criminals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Only traitors torture- let the treason trials begin .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem I have is these goons will be getting a paycheck next Friday. It would seem the CIA is populated with an unknown number of international war criminals. Who are they and are they still in allegiance with Bush and CHENEY ? Remember Ms. Goodling let slip she took an oath to the president.</p>
<p>There must be a stand down of the CIA until each and every war criminal who watched, acted or covered up torture is tried and convicted then President Obama can pardon them all.<br />
As of right now President Obama is relying on advice from admitted war criminals.</p>
<p>Only traitors torture- let the treason trials begin .</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
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		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great article Dr M.  Very disgusting situation re the torture.  We have a CIA which abuses the laws regularly with the knowledge AND cooperation or worse DIRECTION by the POTUS and has done so for decades.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And we have hundreds of people who think nothing about participating in these atrocities, from so called “interrogators”, docs, nurses, guards, pilots, paper pushers, legal minds, bureaucrats… all who participated, knowingly and effectively conspired to break these laws. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is very serious that when faced with the facts that this has been going on, in the last 7 yrs… but also when you crack open that investigation we will find the that this has been going on for 5 decades, and is going on in the US prison system every day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We may not be a nation of sadists, but we surely have found a place and means for them to run free.  They, in fact, have their proverbial “boots” on our necks and have intimidated the “normal” people from stopping these psychopaths.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ps.  Perhaps every defendant in courrt should use the “going forward defense”. If it good enough for the POTUS, the CIA, the US government, it’s good enough for me. Sorry, I won’t do it again.  Case dismissed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Dr M.  Very disgusting situation re the torture.  We have a CIA which abuses the laws regularly with the knowledge AND cooperation or worse DIRECTION by the POTUS and has done so for decades.</p>
<p>And we have hundreds of people who think nothing about participating in these atrocities, from so called “interrogators”, docs, nurses, guards, pilots, paper pushers, legal minds, bureaucrats… all who participated, knowingly and effectively conspired to break these laws. </p>
<p>It is very serious that when faced with the facts that this has been going on, in the last 7 yrs… but also when you crack open that investigation we will find the that this has been going on for 5 decades, and is going on in the US prison system every day.</p>
<p>We may not be a nation of sadists, but we surely have found a place and means for them to run free.  They, in fact, have their proverbial “boots” on our necks and have intimidated the “normal” people from stopping these psychopaths.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>ps.  Perhaps every defendant in courrt should use the “going forward defense”. If it good enough for the POTUS, the CIA, the US government, it’s good enough for me. Sorry, I won’t do it again.  Case dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: milly</title>
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		<dc:creator>milly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is “going forward” a good defense? I would say most crimes are in the past. Wonder if this is a trend?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The current rhetoric that we would lose good people in the CIA if they had to take responsibility for their actions can be compared to the CEOs who drove their corporations under through greed and criminal conduct.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Both groups lack a moral compass…and should be in jail.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is “going forward” a good defense? I would say most crimes are in the past. Wonder if this is a trend?</p>
<p>The current rhetoric that we would lose good people in the CIA if they had to take responsibility for their actions can be compared to the CEOs who drove their corporations under through greed and criminal conduct.</p>
<p>Both groups lack a moral compass…and should be in jail.</p>
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