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[ Welcome author, Joel Berg, Executive Director, New York City Coalition Against Hunger (NYCCAH), and host, Robin Stelly, Field Coordinator, PennAction- bev]
Joel Berg’s All You Can Eat: How Hungry is America? is something of a primer on hunger and food insecurity in America. It traces the fitful history of nutrition assistance programs in this country from the Industrial Revolution, when hunger started to become a serious problem, through the Great Depression, when it could not be ignored (although plenty of politicians opposed to “the dole” tried), and through the 60s and 70s, when federal programs made real strides toward the goal of eliminating hunger completely. And the book continues through the dark days of the 1980s, when ketchup became a vegetable, and a smiling, grandfatherly president made it OK to hate and punish the less fortunate. There is a chapter devoted to the political minefield of Welfare Reform, which saw an immediate decrease in hunger, but then faltered under the Bush administration’s much-less-than-compassionate conservatism, and yet another decade of Reaganomics.
So, where are we now? About half-way through the book, there are three paragraphs that capture where we stand in the battle against hunger:
When it comes to fighting hunger, America has moved away from coordinated, guaranteed, government antipoverty program of proven effectiveness and has instead increasingly returned to reliance on social service bucket brigades – volunteer-run food pantries and soup kitchens.
In the decades since the 1980s, as the federal antipoverty safety net eroded and wages lost their purchasing power, the number of charitable antihunger agencies exploded. In 1980, there were only a few hundred of these agencies, mostly soup kitchens on the "skid rows" of large cities. Today, there are more than 40,000 feeding organizations across urban suburban and rural areas of the nation – with roughly two-thirds being food pantries that serve families.
Rather than using modern sorting machines, these charities typically sort their food donations by hand, one can at a time. Rather than being staffed by trained social service professionals paid to work regular business hours, they are usually run by untrained volunteers available to provide food only a few times a month when they have no other obligations. And rather than serving as a last resort – in other word, secondary to more serious government hunger-prevention efforts such as boosting the minimum wage or hiking food stamp benefits – these agencies have increasingly become the nation’s first line of defense against hunger.
I know from my volunteer work at a local cupboard that that characterization is dead on target, and that’s why I recommend How Hungry is America? to everyone I meet in the service of feeding the hungry. We are fighting a national crisis. Thirty-five-and-a-half million people are “food-insecure,” which means that they are hungry or on the brink of hunger. We know that the cost of hunger to our economy is roughly $90 billion per year, which is money thrown away. We know what programs succeed in significantly lessening food insecurity and hunger — we’ve seen them work in the past — but they remain underfunded, their efficacy poorly understood even by self-identified liberals, progressives and Democrats. Instead, we seem satisfied to rely on charity to solve the problem, when it simply cannot.
The last third of How Hungry is America is dedicated to Joel’s suggested solutions to the problem of hunger and food insecurity nationwide. I hope that he’ll describe some in the next two hours. As you’d guess, they involve a modernized and strengthened safety net – one that’s easier to access, more efficient to run and funded at only slightly higher levels than we invest now. But getting there won’t be easy, even with the more reasonable Obama administration in the White House. The challenge remains to recast human needs spending as investment and make it clear to everyone from our leadership down to the kindhearted volunteers who give hundreds of hours of their lives fighting hunger in their own communities that when it comes to this problem, government is the solution and that the investments that finally end hunger will benefit everyone, not just the formerly hungry. Defeating thirty years of deeply internalized “Welfare Queen” imagery and generating the political will to create a welfare-to-work program that supports, rather than sabotages, the participants is going to take grassroots organizing on a huge scale.
So, the bad news is that ending hunger and food insecurity in America is going to take nothing less than a second Poor People’s Campaign. The good news is that we know that it can be done because we’ve seen the glimmerings of victory in the past. Joel Berg’s How Hungry is America? reminds us that with a lot of the right sort of very hard work, we can do it again and maybe we’ll win for real this time.




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Joel, Welcome to the Lake.
Robin, Thank you for Hosting today’s Book Salon.
Thanks, Bev, for setting it up.
I’m really excited about this book.
Thanks for the opportunity to highlight this vital national tragedy — and to shamelessly plug my book.
It’s hard to know if anyone is reading unless there are comments, so I’m going to start by asking you something general about hunger in America and that is to say a little bit about what is “hunger” and “food insecurity” and “very low food security.”
Welcome to Firedoglake – so glad you could join us today!
I imagine we are going to see an avalanche of hunger. Wish there was some way to get ahead of the curve.
Thanks Robin. Those are all terms of art developed/characterized by USDA starting in the mid 1990’s. Food insecurity is the broadest term, meaning households who can’t afford a full supply of food. That doesn’t mean they are starving necessarily — just juggling choices and rationing food. In the Clinton years, USDA said that folks who had the worst sort of food insecurity — who truly went without food or had a severe reduction in intake — were suffering from “hunger.” As I talk about in my book, mostly for politics sake, the Bush Administration at USDA stoopped using thw term “hunger” and replaced it with “very low food security.”
Welcome to FDL this afternoon Joel and Robin.
I have not read your book but from the news reports I read, the food pantries seem to be overwhelmed almost across the board.
Why do you think (and sorry if this is answered in the book) so many folks seem to think that the food pantry organizations are the only way to go? The politicians still brag about the incredible bounty in this country (and there is). Do they just refuse to see the evidence of hunger (willfully obtuse) or are they so locked into their social starta to not be able to recognize true need?
Hi egregious :) I hear you. I volunteer at a food cupboard and we are struggling to stay ahead of demand. We are actually one of the more flush cupboards in the area but we’re still nervous about running out of food and funds. That’s what I like so much about How Hungry is America? b/c it makes the case that working hand to mouth like that is just a crazy way to try to fix the problem of hunger.
“Food insecurity” is a wonkish, horrible term, but I do think it is useful as a way to differentiate the condition in America — which is usually food rationing — from the outright starvation in places like Darfur and North Korea. As I have documented, the US used to have more widespread starvation loike the developing world but the onset of federal nutrition assistance programs in the 1960’s and 1970’s substantially reduced that
Thanks for explaining those terms. I asked b/c I think it shows how off-track we’ve gone when we’re not willing to call hunger hunger – and then pretend as if calling it something else (why not call it double plus happy?) will make a difference. If people in power put half that energy into solving the problem, it would be solved.
I agree that “food insecurity” isn’t bad because it is more accurate – and bad enough. It’s the “very low food security” that gets me.
Our local food pantry is having trouble meeting demand. I really miss the days of government cheese.
As to food being an investment, why doesn’t everyone understand that of course it is an investment, in us? Aren’t the citizens of this country its most valuable resource?
I’ll give you a summary answer, but yes, a fuller answer is ineed in the book (plug, plu, plug – and morer shameless plug)
Even before the recent economic downturn, in 2005, more than 25 million Americans earned so little they were forced to use food pantries and soup kitchens. The fastest growing populations at these agencies for the past few decades have been working families. Even then, these under-funded charities could not keep up with the demmand and were running out of food.
Since the downturn, things have gone from worser to worser (apologies to all my elementary school grammar teachers).
In NYC this year, fully two thirds of the food charities had to ration food because they could not meet the demand.
I have a whole chapter in the book on how the nation has been conned into thinking that under-funded charities can solve major social problems
I compare today’s charitiable responses to the “bucket brigades” of yesteryear which brought communities togther, made people feel good, but failed to put out fires
A substantial part of the book looks at the cost of hunger. I’ve had plenty of occasion to share that info with friends and co-workers – especially during the stimulus fight.
The best news is that President Obama has pledged to end child hunger by 2015 and has put serious money in the recovery bill and his budget proposal to put on on track towards do so
I have a whole chapter in the book on how the nation has been conned into thinking that under-funded charities can solve major social problems
That’s a really good chapter b/c you have some cold, hard numbers in there that show that even top-performing food banks can’t meet the need that’s out there. I think that’s in that chapter.
Joel
Thanks for joining us. I’m not done with your book yet–but I want to confess that I started (randomly) with your chapter on the Food Stamp Challenge. Now, I’ve read a lot of accounts of Food Stamp Challenges before, but for some reason your account really engaged me (I considered trying to do a week though it was just Wednesday I read that section).
It’s an approach I’d recommend for others (and I do recommend the book). It got me thinking about my own food habits before I got into the history and policy that you present in the rest of the book.
I contribute to our local food bank and am involved in local food policy. But until I thought about the food stamp challenge (and contemplated it), the rest of the policy stuff didn’t make sense to me.
As I have pointed out, we say tennis star are “hungry” for a win, we are “hungry” when our reservation at a fancy dinner is not yet quite ready, but the society says that poor people who don’t have enough food aren’t really hungry
Whatis the Food Stamp Challenge?
I work as a community organizer and one of the town halls I helped organize was about what investments deliver the biggest bang for the buck. A room full of self-identified liberals were stunned to hear that it was food stamps.
The WIC Farmers Market Nutrition Program is superb, but it is absurdly small,with some states like New York having reasonable funding but others like Louisiana being pathetically small, and some states don’t even participate. This program helps small farmers and WIC clients tremendously–what policy changes could we make in the program to expand it to all the states and get Congress and the Obama administration to greatly expand this program? What could advocates do to be more persuasive in turning this fine but tiny program into a fine but much larger program?
Robin and Joel, welcome to FDL and thanks for being here today. Thanks also to Bev for all her work with the Book Salons.
Joel, I’m looking forward to reading your book: I hope you’ll forgive me for not knowing your answer to the following. What changes in existing USDA subsidies and/or eligibility criteria would you most like to see?
The food stamps challenge was a gimmick — but I don’t pretend that one week made me know what it was like to live in poverty.
But it did reinforce for me that one of the worst aspects of poverty is that you have all your key life choices made for you by someone else – on food stamps, you can’t afford much, if any, organic food, you can’t afford the most delicious or often the most nutritious food
I tell the story of how impossible it was to explain to my Jewish mother, that because I couldn’t use food stamp benefits at a restuarant, and because I was going by those rules, I couldn’t take her out for a mother’s day meal at a a Chinese restuarant (of course, a Jewish tradition as old as the Western Wall).
Lee: I’m sure that Joel will answer but I want to say that he addresses exactly that in the last section of his book with a lot of good ideas. As an activist, I was very energized after reading this book.
The food stamps challenge is going for a week buying and eating only foods you could afford to eat if you obtained food stamp benefits — when I did it two years ago, that equaled only about one dollar per meal
Elliott: you can read about the Food Stamp Challenge a few congressman did last year here. Basically, you live on what food stamps would provide for you. It’s a gimmick, for sure, but people I’ve read always learn something from doing it.
Both the WIC Farmers Market Program (for low income pregnant women and their infants) and the companion program for seniors are under-funded — I think we need to jointly make the case to Congress and the Administration that these programs are quintessential “win wins” — they fight hunger, aid small farmers, boltser nutrition, and aid community development – what could be better than that?
Is the WIC Farmers Market Program part of the Community Food Security Initiative you write about, Joel?
Right now, you can only make slightly more than the poverty line and get food stamps (130 percent of poverty line), and the WIC eligibility level (185 of poverty line) is slightly higher than that — other federal programs have different guidelines — I call for combining all these programs (achieving the conservative goal of reducing bureaucracy) but increasing eligibility for all the programs to the higher level for WIC and having ONE, joint, easy application for all the programs.
I also call for making all school meals free to all kids regardless of family income and paying for that by reducing paperwork in the meals programs.
And for more and more Americans that challenge is becoming a reality
oh thanks
I wish I could take credit for the WIC Farmers Market Program as part of the USDA Community Food Security Initiative I ran in the Clinton Administration, but the program pre-dated my initiative by many years — I did do my little bit to promote it though.
For those of you who haven’t read the book – it starts with a very enlightening history of hunger and programs to fight it. Then it moves on to the cost of hunger and the difficulty people have moving out of poverty. There’s a chapter on the media’s role in the problem which is fascinating – I hope Joel will talk about the attention hunger got in the 60s from the media and what that led to. There’s a chapter called The Charity Myth, which is an eye-opener and will make you want to organize a grassroots anti-hunger effort tomorrow. The last part of the book is about solutions – that’s where the Community Food Security Initiative discussion comes in.
There are other chapters in there, of course, but those are the ones that have stayed in my mind.
Joel, On April 15, there were Tax Day Tea Parties across the U S
Is the next step a Hunger sit out or party and what will that
accomplish.
I have worked on social service programs for a few states including a large scale WIC program. They always take great pains to remind folks it is a nutrition program and “not a welfare” program.
Combing the various programs under one umbrella is a reasonable idea. I know one of the problems is the differing eligibility rules (and this is across the board on all programs since folks can be eligible for program A but not Program B or may be eligible for A or B but not C. It can drive people to drink trying to sort everything out correctly.
I am certainly heartened that President Obama, the First Lady, and Secretary Vilsack all seem to so clearly understand that hunger and obesity are flip sides of the same malnutrition coin and that they have made it a priority to fight both hunger and obesity by making more nutritious foods both more physically available and economically affordable in low-income neighborhoods.
I think progressives should hold “dues day” parties across the country – pointing out that our taxes are the “dues” we all democratically pay for vital services that benefit all of us
the truth is that many of the “teabaggers” are not objecting to all government spending — only government spending on non-rich people.
When I ask some of them whether government spending on roads or police forces is a waste of money, they never seem to have a good response — only spending on social services seems to drive many of them nuts
With Bush out of office, we’ve definitely turned a corner when it comes to ending hunger and food insecurity. Where to you think we are on the spectrum of ending the problem? (hard question, I know) We have some good programs in place, good people in place – but we have 35.5M people hungry or food insecure – and as your history of anti-hunger programs makes clear, we are at the mercy of Congress to do the right thing. What do we need to do to tip the balance in our favor and get some good movement in the right direction?
Joel: In 1968 CBS broadcast Edward R Murrow’s acclaimed documentary
Hunger In America. From that point to the present have we made progress or fallen back?
Ironically, sometimes conservative and liberals unite in supporting harder application systems for poor people — conservatives want to deter people from applying — but sometimes liberals patronizingly think that every low-income family needs to be “case-managed” by a social worker so that they can discuss all their problems and how the social worker can help them solve them. Some families do benefit from case management, but many more just need their benefits and would most benefit from the easiest, least intrusive application system possible.
Ana Marie Cox pointed out that most of those parties happened in public parks – the irony seemed to have been lost on the participants though.
Right. For me it was realizing I’d have to shop at entirely different stores.
That, and giving up coffee.
My book includes many details about the impact of, and controversy surrounding, the 1968 CBS special, “Hunger in America.” We had great progress in the decade that followed, building a safety net so robust we almost entirely ended hunger in the U.S. by the late 1970’s, but we have gone backwards since, reducing wages for working families and undermining the anti-poverty safety net.
Great point. And they drove to the parks on public roads, most likely. And they used the Internet to attract publicity, which (Al Gore jokes aside) was indeed invented by the government.
I applied for food stamps here in Sacramento recently. What an experience. The place was packed with people who knew the wait was long and didn’t expect anything less. The room was surrounded with windows with employees behind bullet proof plastic. They had to talk to folks through a protected hole. A lot of the people were sitting and staring blankly. I was trying really hard to look like I belonged. Not because I was afraid just felt detached. I was there for about two hours. I got paper work to take home and I had to come back with an amazing amount of documentation. Tax returns. Marriage certificate. Proof that I was alive. They told me to expect to stay the entire day when I returned with the info. Fortunately, when I got home there was an unexpected check in the mail from a client I didn’t think was ever going to pay me. The check pushed into an income bracket that made me unqualified for the food stamps.
we almost entirely ended hunger in America by the late 1970’s
I don’t know if people know that. I was surprised to read it. It’s so sad that we came so close, but encouraging at the same time.
I cite a study that shows hunger costs America’s economy $90 billion due to reduced educational performance, increased health care spending, and reduced worker productivity.
My book shows my calculations that, as of two years ago, we could have ended hunger for an extra $24 billion per year in food purchasing power.
The Obama/Democratic recovery bill includes about $10 billion extra per year in nutrition funding — a very good start but only part of the way there.
Thank you St Ronnie of Ray-gunz and the Welfare Cadillac Queen
That’s awful, mary. There’s a section in the book about NY’s food stamps application process, which involves finger printing. Joel points out that you don’t need to be finger printed to receive farm subsidies and other USDA aid.
Do you think that we are just going to have to fight for the rest of that money to really end the problem? If I took one thing away from your book, it’s that charities are not going to do it – even the best, most efficiently run ones.
It is a class/race thing. Monsanto never has to stand in line.
Unfortunately, Mary, I hear similar stories everywhere in the country. Because this nation has many double standards that shaft poor people, we purposely make it far too hard to obtain the benefits for which people are legally entitled — and for which their taxes have likely paid. We also treat poor people like criminals — in New York, California, Texas, and Arizona, low-income people must actually provide electronic finger prints to obtain food stamps.
In contrast, billionaires and millionaires submit their taxes online or by mail and the government generally trusts them and does not require that they submit proof for their claims (except in the rare cases of audits), despite the fact that the amount of tax dollars lost to billionaire and millionaire tax cheats dwarfs the amount of dollars lost by food stamp cheats.
When I talk about the crimes of Ronald Reagan, friends who don’t remember him sort of laugh but I’m serious. I’m kind of a downer at parties …
Before the last election (and primary), at every farmers’ market Ron Paul supporters badgered people for signatures and told us how bad guvmint is. What with the market being in Marin, the Paulistas weren’t too popular – but that bad ol guvmint assured their place. On the public right of way outside Frank Lloyd Wright’s amazing creation, the Marin County Govt Center.
We need to fight both to return to a time of living wage jobs and to modernize but expand the government safety net — charities certainly need more resources to better fill in the gaps (and I urge all of you to donate more money to your local food bank, food rescue organization, or anti-hunger organization, including mine at http://www.nyccah.org), but they are, as you have said, NOT the long-term answer to this problem.
I used to sell t-shirts there. Good food, too.
for over a year, my food budget was $100/month. making a chicken last a week, pinto beans, potatoes. i was able to supplement my food because the local food bank had a table outside that the grocery store across the street and local restaurants would place breads, fruits, veggies, for any and all to use – no id required.
i used to be ashamed to be seen getting bread from the table but hunger taught me that pride was too expensive of an emotion.
I was once refused for Food Stamps. Had to sell my house to feed the kids. Found a nother way.
Sucks.
And, people are hungry? Yep.
I roasted a turkey yesterday. The one that someone gave me in November. Am cutting it up today and making one meal portions to put in the freezer for later. I figure, it could get me through the summer.
Poor? Yeah. Whining. Not so much. But, a body’s got to do what it takes.
Love ya Mare. D.
You do a good job of pointing out those inconsistencies in the book. You’ll be reading along about some hurdle for aid or some program that costs a few million dollars and then you get hit with what the rich get away with or what certain salaries could buy. It’s bracing.
Unfortunately, almost since the time of Plymouth Rock, a central feature of the American political culture has been to deride government for helping others while ignoring how government helps you.
So what do you think the role of food banks and cupboards would be in a world in which anti-hunger programs were fully-funded and working?
One piece of good news — the Obama/Congressional recovery/stimulus bill raised the average food stamp/SNAP benefit by 12% — but that’s still not nearly enough to pay for truly nutritious and complete meals.
They were outside the Post Office here – also not a great place for the gov’t is bad message.
Demi: as I point out in my book, right-wing think tanks (Heritage, American Enterprise Institute) have made a cottage industry of denying that hunger exists in America — I wonder if they would deny that you exist.
But then it’s said that food stamps are only supposed to supplement what you earn – so then we’re back to the argument for living wages, which is fine with me.
I bet they think that overweight people are not hungry and don’t need food.
Even if we had a more robust safety net and better wages, we might still need some pantries and kitchens for certain types of immigrants still excluded from government programs and others who might fall through the cracks.
Also, even if we ended hunger, I think food banks and food rescue groups could play a vital role providing free or low-cost food to other social service agencies, such as day care cneters, battered women’s shelters, etc.
I’m not sure where they’re most deficient: irony or cognition.
Good point. He could still have one of my freezer baggies of turkey, I’d share — with celery/onion broth — but, oh, yeah…nevermind. *g*
As a long-time admirer of farmers’ markets I would like to say Joel’s book has many insightful comments on that subject throughout the book. Another highlight is his perceptive comments about how to be a forceful advocate–as a nonprofit head myself I would recommend his chapter on “Revised Rules for Radical Centrists” on how to energize the base of hunger advocates while effetively persuading the many people who are undecided about these issues.
Are there any programs for teaching people to eat better? Like stop the sugar. etc.
If AIG executives don’t seem to be afraid to get aid from others, I would hope that low-income, hungry Americans could someday no longer feel shame either.
This is a DRIVEBY DIGG, You know what to do Pups!
What role if any do you see for community gardens, allotments, home gardens(for those with space or access), and even home poultry?
Thanks Lee. As you know, in that part of the book, I challenge progressive community organizers to move away from simply repeating 60’s-era cliches and tactics — I say that there should be fewer parades with giant puppets and this type of activism should be replaced with more sophisticated media oureach and grassroots organizing, based on the real needs of real people — and with their input.
I have no idea what a “drive by digg” means, which, alas, means I’m probably too old to know what to do.
You mention in the book that food cupboards and pantries and the rest should advocate for sensible food policy and greater funding – but my cupboard is a c(3), which leaves it out for legislative work. Also, some organizations like cupboards and food banks don’t want to rock the boat so they stay away from anything “political” as it may alienate their volunteers and board members and donors. It’s been a source of frustration for me as an organizer but I keep trying to think of ways to get around it. For instance, Joel is coming to our cupboard to talk about his book later this month. I’m hoping that it will stir up some activity and unity among cupboard volunteers in the area – if they come out to hear him.
Some of those Rich CEO’s could end hunger just by every one of them making a 10% cash donation to the food banks in America! But NO they hoard their money and do very little to help, of sure they make a big deal out of some of the programs they have at their companies(which the employees contribute both time and $$ to) but is is way to pitiful what they personally do to help. my2 cents…
Off to a BBQ!
Kids these days with the intertubes and such.
Nutrition education is important (for all Americans — not just poor ones) but I challenge the assumption that most poor people could eat better if they just had better education.
The most nutritious, least sugary food is often the most expensive — and it often doesn’t even exist in low-income neighborhoods that have “food deserts” — plus more nutritious food takes longer to buy and prepare and low-income people often have the least time, traveling by public transportation, unable to afford nannies (they sometimes ARE nannies).
Ha! There are a ton of oldies here. Not to worry.
As founding father James Madison wrote, “If all men were angels, we wouldn’t need government.”
But the reality is that lower-income people donate a higher percentage of their income than do the wealthiest.
The fairest and sureest way of getting such “donations” from everyone is called taxation and that’s why I support the Obama plan to limit slightly the amount of charitable tax deductions available to the very wealthiest Americans and instead use that tax money for government programs which help pay for health care and food.
You can see my Washington Post op-ed on this very topic:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01419.html
You need to have an account at DIGG then you can Digg the different posts and help bring attention to the post/subject so that more people can read them. The more “DIGGS” the higher the rating and thus more free publicity for the post. Hope that helps… a lot of us here at the Lake are old fogies so in fact age doesn’t matter here.
Yes. You are so right. Good, healthy food is expensive.
While I was reading the part of the book devoted to solutions, it occurred to me that what you call for (and you call for a lot) can be built around existing structures in the gov’t and the community. It’s a matter of getting the right people involved, which is always the challenge I guess. But it’s all right there – we know how to do it and it’s even easier now with so many innovations having come along since the 60s and 70s. We have to believe that hunger and food insecurity can be stopped and then do it.
Well off to the BBQ see you later on the late late nite!!
poof….
We need to expand community gardens, CSAs, farmers markets, urban farms — etc. — and my book has concrete suggestions on how to do so.
But I also come down pretty hard on upper-middle-class “foodies” who sometimnes give the impression that we could solve this problem if poor people just grew all their own food.
There is not enough vacant land, not enough months in the growing season, and not enough time in the lives of most people for self-produced food to become anything more than a small fraction of what poor Americans — or most Americans for that matter — need to survive.
And not believe that food cupboards, as wonderful and necessary as they are, are going to be the answer.
Thanks for the explanation of DIGG. I know something that I didn’t a few minutes ago and I now feel marginally less ancient
And gardening is expensive – my food cupboard has been working for three years now to integrate a garden into our supply chain. It’s not easy and we’re hard workers. But gardens are magic and so we continue to try to find a way to make it work.
As I point out in my book, all the food charities combined in America provide only about 1/20th the food as do federal nutritional safety programs. I have a chart in my book (in full color centerfold, no less) showing that doubling charity would barely dent U.S. hunger but increasing the government safety net by 41% would end it entirely.
There is a community garden in my neighborhood. Also, the zoning laws have been changed so people can have veggie gardens in their front yards.
Even very progressive food banks that have their own gardens and farms admit to me that it would usually be cheaper to buy that extra food rather than grow it. While there are plenty of environmental, community development, educational, and nutritional reasons to grow your own food, I don’t think it is a cost-effective way to solve, by itself, the hunger problem, which impacts 36.2 million Americans, a population greater than the entire state of California.
And they’re inefficient, for the most part. We get food from stores, stock them in cupboards, store them and then hand it out again. I’m for letting the grocery stores do what they do best and make it easier for people to shop in them. I’m not a grocer, but by virtue of my work with the cupboard (which I love, love, love) I essentially work as one.
In Humboldt County, California, during the 1990s an organization called the NETwork was involved in trying to deal with the issues of access to services for people needing help. We were trying to develop a one-stop application process instead of clients having to fill out a new one at every single agency. We were trying to get a one-stop service center where a rep from each agency would be available to answer questions and provide access in each of the far-flung outer communities, some of whom were up to three hours of driving time one-way from the currently centralized offices. We were trying to coordinate service provision and advocating for true and correct information about ALL available services instead of clients having to find out about these by gossip and by accident.
At every turn, we were stymied by privacy claims – not from the clients but those now-ubiquitous HIPAA rules. We were stymied by the refusal of agencies funded with federal dollars to even participate in a collaborative effort. We were stymied by lack of authority among even heads of various local and state agencies to make any decisions about any of this stuff. We were stymied by the agency cultures, some of which did not want to disclose programs to clients because…gasp!…they might actually be eligible and then they might even use them. And of course, we were stymied by lack of funds – who’s going to pay for the outreach centers.
We have a very long ways to go to develop humane and dignified ways of assisting people who have financial difficulties in this country. One of those is to recognize that all people have a right to dignity, and to be treated as equal persons, no matter what their finances.
Because of all these issues and some stuff others have pointed out above, there is also an ‘underground’ community who will not access systems and programs they are very much eligible for because they have been treated like sh*t by the people who work in these agencies, they don’t have transportation to get to access sites, they cannot deal with the 30-page application process multiple times over, and for a variety of other reasons.
As the former head of one of the groups that participated in the NETwork, I sometimes even despaired about attitudes among the participants – all of who were there to try to make the whole situation better. But even there, issues came up that absolutely shocked me in their callous insensitivity.
*sigh*
That’s awesome – I hope people take advantage of that change. Very cool.
My book has a whole chapter — with all sorts of facts, footnotes and nifty charts!! — proving beyond a shadow of any reasonable doubt that food insecurity can actually be a contributing factor to obesity.
Thanks for all your attempts — but thankfully, there is a new sheriff in DC-town these days, when it comes to these programs. I suggest you write to President Obama and USDA Secretary Vilsack outlining what you tried to do and the obstacles you faced in detail — and suggest concrete ways (including funding) that the federal government can overcome those obstacles. Don’t give up!
That’s interesting. I think my county is starting to try to do something like that over the phone – 211? I wonder if it will have the same sort of issues.
I think that was in response to Iokwoky.
My two cents: The over-riding issue in this country with regard to any of the social programs is that there are a huge number of people in this country who believe that people are poor because they are bad..that they ‘deserve’ to be poor…if they were good, they’d be middle class or rich. What a lot of people do not understand is that there are a whole lot of people in this country, educated, middle class and above, who because of the economy, poor choices (ooo, educated not-poor people can make poor choices too?), overwhelming debt, or stuff that is just out of their control…are ending up at food pantries and on food stamps. They also do not understand that they, too, are just one emergency situation away from ending up on food stamps and welfare also. I’m not sure what it will take to give them their personal lightbulb moment other than something horrific happening to them personally(and I would never wish that on anyone), but IMHO, a lot of people in this country have their heads in the bag.
So writing to the White House works?? I have to admit to some cynicism there.
It is simply not factually correct to say that 501(c)(3)’s cannot legally lobby — they can and should.
See these helpful guidelines:
http://www.afj.org/for-nonprof…..bying.html
It is a right-wing myth that it is illegal for nonprofit groups to lobby.
Nonprofit groups cannot engagee in partisan conduct in electoral campaigns — but that is VERY different from lobbying. Lobbying is contacting your elected officials to support legislation.
Lobbying for nonprofits is protected by the First Amendment — just as for lobbying by banks and defense contractors who get government money.
That’s so true – and it’s why I tell my story at public forums of using WIC – despite my master’s degree – when my older song was a baby.
You are so right Toby. That is, in fact, a main theme of my book. I think all Americans — including poor people, middle-class people, and especially Paris Hilton — should act more responsibly, but it is just wrong to think the main cause of poverty is personal irresponsibiity — the main cause of poverty is lack of money. Duh.
The vast majority of elected officials — including Presidents — assign staff to count how many people write in, on what topics, and which stands the letters take. I think letter-writing, site visits with elected officials, phone calls, e-mails, attending town meetings — all can make a HUGE difference.
I know the rules but it’s really hard to convince people of them and they want to err on the side of caution when it comes to the IRS. Plus they are vague. The bigger problem is the avoidance of anything “political.” It’s a real challenge b/c we need those sorts of groups to speak up.
People are invested in the “reality” they have been taught rather than reality that is right in front of them.
I write to the WhiteHouse at least once a week. I used to even write to bush.
Bottom line: it takes real courage to stand up for this sort of thing and it takes a ton of public education to break through the “Cadillac driving Welfare Queen” myth. I’m not saying don’t do it – in fact, we have to do it – but it’s very hard. I can understand why people volunteer at food cupboards and say, there, I’ve done my part.
Believe me, I know advocacy is a tough sell. But I tell people that taking five minutes to write their elected offcials will probably help a lot more than taking five hours out of their busy lives to sort donated cans.
Amen.
Also, pointing out successes, as you have today is a big help. Nothing succeeds like success.
I’m finding through my book tour that many well-meaning people simply don’t know the public policy issues related to hunger and have never before heard that advocacy can reduce hunger. But I’m finding that my message is getting through and more people are becoming convinced that advocacy is crucial.
As long as people delude themselves with this sort of Dickensian ‘DNA Basis of Family Economics’, they can very easily turn, in their minds, people who are hungry into ‘things’…they are ‘bad’, ‘irresponsible’, ’stupid’, ‘lazy’, inferior etc. What they fail to comprehend in a personal way is that someone someplace else is making decisions which just might put them on that line as well, whether it is canceling their health coverage, closing their office or plant, or canceling a contract. A lot of this, frankly, is also racism, straight up.
Thank you.
You talk about the Community Food Security Initiative in the book. It suffered under Bush – where is it now?
Only once a week? No seriously, Mary that’s great.The role of active citizen in one of the most important in our society.
Sometimes I tell these people that perhaps there is just not enough economy to go around.
A lot of this, frankly, is also racism, straight up.
And there’s an element of sexism too. Joel discusses both of those factors in the book.
Us FDLers are always writing to someone somewhere.
Toby: great point. My book documents how racism has frequently been one of the reasons people have opposed expanding federal anti-hunger efforts, with the false belief that everyone getting help was non-white, when the reality is that most have always been white.
The Community Food Security Initiative was eliminiated by the Bush Administration — I am hopeful that the Obama Administration starts it up again, or something like it.
Can you also take a minute to describe that CBS documentary on hunger in America and the sort of results it had in Congress? And is it available now anywhere?
One very specific way for people to advocate is to call on the President and your Senators and Congresspeople to use this year’s Child Nutrition Reuathorization Bill to move us towards President Obama’s goal of ending child hunger by 2015.
See how you can help at:
http://www.nyccah.org/endchildhunger
Everyone went to write letters to Obama. ;)
I don’t think the 1968 CBS documentary is publicly available, but I did view it at the Paley Center in NYC.
See: http://www.paleycenter.org/
It is powerful stuff. If people can find a way to see it, I urge them to do so.
It begins with a baby actually dying on screen from poor nutrition. Then it documents hunger in varied types of communities nationwide. It squarely puts the blame on government, and directly says that government should solve the problem. It didn’t even mention charity.
The Johnson Administration and USDA went nuts over the broadcast — slamming CBS — one of the highlights of my book, I think, is the telegram, which I re-printed in full, from the President of CBS to the USDA Secretary at the time, fiercely defending the piece (which wouldn’t happen today).
Thanks for the compliments. The NETwork dissolved shortly after Bush took office. My former agency is providing a sort of mini-access point for people in my outlying community but it is limited by the non-participation of several other major agencies. They now have a food pantry, and a clothes closet (something that was never a part of our original plan, and they are in a building donated by a church on the church grounds. That church also has a community garden plot which provides additional food resources for the pantry.
I am not active in it. I suffered some catastrophic health problems, my husband passed away, and I am now living in another state. I am still in advocacy – the Guardian ad Litem/CASA program.
But I totally get what you are saying. I’m glad the current administration is more responsive to programs and initiatives like this than the last one. Hope?
Yes, that telegram was good to read.
Another thing that surprised me when I read the book is how the arguments against funding anti-hunger programs haven’t changed. I figure that once you lose an arugment it should stick.
Lokywoky: I am so sorry for your loss and hardship. But even if you don’t have time for a detailed letter, I do think it would be great if you could send just a short note to the President and USDA Secretary about your experience.
How right you are Robin. Some things do stay the same I quote a masters thesis from 1910 form Frances Perkins (who went on to become FDR’s Labor Secretary) that quotes opponents to schol meals programs saying things almost exactly the same as opponents today
The chapter on media is a good one. The part about The Early Show’s food drive was fascinating and the numbers that showed how even the large amount of food collected was essentially a bust when it came to addressing the scope of the problem were shocking.
In the book, it’s the math that gets you every time and it’s always a shock to see how short we fall b/c there are hundreds of thousands of person-hours put into volunteer food relief.
Maybe millions? And we’re treading water at best. The gains you mentioned under Obama will help though.
And we have to organize to secure more of them.
I used math as much as possible to try to prove that none of this was my opinion — its simply logistics
when we have a bih snow storm, we don’t expeerct volunteers with hand shovels to clean up major highways — why do we expect volunteers handing cans of food to each other can solve a massive problem like this?
Food stamps were gambled away or used to purchase liquor and cigarettes anyway, right? Or so our intrepid Republican foes of a credible safety net for the most vulnerable Americans argued under Uncle Ronnie. Ironically, most of Mr. Reagan’s wealth, in contrast, including his coastal California ranch, were gifts – not from a grateful nation, but from grateful billionaires. His Hollywood revenues were spent by the late sixties when he became governor of California.
The anti-poverty program arguments that persuaded Reaganites to trash them must have been written by a Chicago grad who’d never missed a meal, but who’d spent a day on the wrong side of the tracks. Or by somebody who didn’t care whether what he was writing was accurate, only that it repeated well in the echo chamber.
As we come to the end of this lively Book Salon,
Joel, Thank you for stopping by the Lake and spending the
afternoon with us discussing your new book and hunger in America.
Robin, Thank you very much for Hosting his great Book Salon.
Everyone, if you haven’t bought Joel’s book yet, here is a link.
Thanks all.
I agree Earl. The myth trumped the reality and struggling families were, as is so often the case, the victims
Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Bev and Joel. I also suggest picking up the book. It’s got a wealth of important info but it’s a quick read as well. You’ll want to lend it to all your friends.
See you all later. :)
Thanks so much to Robin, Bev, everyone who wrote, and all the folks at Firedoglake
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