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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/17/yes-the-teabaggers-did-achieve-their-objectives/#comment-1881712</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And Code Pink? At least THEY can titillate the media sufficiently to get coverage, albeit as crackpots. That’s better than the “don’t rock the boat” pennyloafer pols can do.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, but I completely disagree with your approval of  Code Pink.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As someone who’s participated in protests since the days of draft card burning &amp; Vietnam, I don’t see media coverage of Code Pink as furthering any “liberal” cause.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Instead, Code Pink provides a neat way for right wingers to characterize “critics” on any issue as batshit crazies.  There are ways to get attention, and then there’s wearing teabags on your head — or wearing a pink hat, shirt, sign, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Code Pink does &lt;strong&gt;much&lt;/strong&gt; more harm than good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And Code Pink? At least THEY can titillate the media sufficiently to get coverage, albeit as crackpots. That’s better than the “don’t rock the boat” pennyloafer pols can do.</p>
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<p>Sorry, but I completely disagree with your approval of  Code Pink.</p>
<p>As someone who’s participated in protests since the days of draft card burning &amp; Vietnam, I don’t see media coverage of Code Pink as furthering any “liberal” cause.</p>
<p>Instead, Code Pink provides a neat way for right wingers to characterize “critics” on any issue as batshit crazies.  There are ways to get attention, and then there’s wearing teabags on your head — or wearing a pink hat, shirt, sign, etc.</p>
<p>Code Pink does <strong>much</strong> more harm than good.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Coverage anywhere except FOX was scant comparatively and no one wanted any part of the utterly racist idiocy going on there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with you, but one of the things that makes me crazy is when I’m in some “public” venue — e.g., waiting in the line @ car rental, waiting for my flight at the airport, in the food court @ a shopping mall, etc. — and ALL that’s on the ever-present tv is &lt;strong&gt;FOX.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To me this means their “message” gets broadcast to a far wider audience than that which would choose it willingly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FWIW, I always ask that the channel be changed from FOX whenever I’m in one of these situations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Coverage anywhere except FOX was scant comparatively and no one wanted any part of the utterly racist idiocy going on there.</p>
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<p>I agree with you, but one of the things that makes me crazy is when I’m in some “public” venue — e.g., waiting in the line @ car rental, waiting for my flight at the airport, in the food court @ a shopping mall, etc. — and ALL that’s on the ever-present tv is <strong>FOX.</strong></p>
<p>To me this means their “message” gets broadcast to a far wider audience than that which would choose it willingly.</p>
<p>FWIW, I always ask that the channel be changed from FOX whenever I’m in one of these situations.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree it is quite a mess. I also think Obama has made a good start in some areas, but as far as the economy goes, it is the same as Bush. Obama is not as rigid as Bush so he may change course if the present plan doesn’t work. I don’t think it will work. Time will tell.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I might add Obama is in a bind. The wealthy can be literally lethal if they see their privileges threatened. In Family of Secrets by I think somebody named Baker, Baker suggests GHW Bush was involved with the JFK assassination, having been involved with the CIA since he graduated Yale. Baker suggests JFK got assassinated because he intended to leave Vietnam and was making overtures to Cuba. Obama’s making way overdue overtures to Cuba, but they may be just as dangerous.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is quite a mess. I also think Obama has made a good start in some areas, but as far as the economy goes, it is the same as Bush. Obama is not as rigid as Bush so he may change course if the present plan doesn’t work. I don’t think it will work. Time will tell.</p>
<p>I might add Obama is in a bind. The wealthy can be literally lethal if they see their privileges threatened. In Family of Secrets by I think somebody named Baker, Baker suggests GHW Bush was involved with the JFK assassination, having been involved with the CIA since he graduated Yale. Baker suggests JFK got assassinated because he intended to leave Vietnam and was making overtures to Cuba. Obama’s making way overdue overtures to Cuba, but they may be just as dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Albatross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a fan of Code Pink I reject the slights against them. However, my reason for posting is that the stupid Teabaggers had something on their side that liberals never had: a complicit media. I think we continue to ignore the elephant in the room when we pretend that media is some neutral journalistic force. The mainstream media is a propaganda vehicle for the corporate Right, and that’s ALL it is. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So the Teabagger’s “influence” was magnified several times over by media complicity: Taking careful tight shots of the tiny teabagging crowd to make it seem larger; Neil Cavuto making up impressive sounding crowd numbers when he didn’t remember he was miked; and every paper in the country reporting on this ginned-up tantrum as if it were a real political event.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The corporations own Congress and they own the media.  Until we change that, our victories will only be temporary, and our effectiveness will be decimated. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Code Pink?  At least THEY can titillate the media sufficiently to get coverage, albeit as crackpots.  That’s better than the “don’t rock the boat” pennyloafer pols can do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fan of Code Pink I reject the slights against them. However, my reason for posting is that the stupid Teabaggers had something on their side that liberals never had: a complicit media. I think we continue to ignore the elephant in the room when we pretend that media is some neutral journalistic force. The mainstream media is a propaganda vehicle for the corporate Right, and that’s ALL it is. </p>
<p>So the Teabagger’s “influence” was magnified several times over by media complicity: Taking careful tight shots of the tiny teabagging crowd to make it seem larger; Neil Cavuto making up impressive sounding crowd numbers when he didn’t remember he was miked; and every paper in the country reporting on this ginned-up tantrum as if it were a real political event.</p>
<p>The corporations own Congress and they own the media.  Until we change that, our victories will only be temporary, and our effectiveness will be decimated. </p>
<p>And Code Pink?  At least THEY can titillate the media sufficiently to get coverage, albeit as crackpots.  That’s better than the “don’t rock the boat” pennyloafer pols can do.</p>
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		<title>By: spocko</title>
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		<dc:creator>spocko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;malcontent: No, I won’t call you a conspiracy nut. If the report came out right after the shooting at the UUC church people might thing it was a conspiracy. But since there are multiple events that will point to the extreme violence of the right, there would have been multiple opportunities for them to cry, “They are picking on us!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like the way you think, Malcontent. I’m reading Altemeyer’s book &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Authoritarians&lt;/a&gt;, right now. It is really great and I’ll recommend to anyone here who wants to know more about RWA (Right Wing Authoritarian) types.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But of course the right wing radio people are really pissed off about the OLC report and taking umbrage on behalf of the Vets (which they are not) and since they can’t claim McVeigh as on of their own they are busy explaining that he was backed by people in the Middle East. Yes, that’s right. Someone wrote a book about it and so they are latching onto this explanation. They are the real conspiracy nuts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>malcontent: No, I won’t call you a conspiracy nut. If the report came out right after the shooting at the UUC church people might thing it was a conspiracy. But since there are multiple events that will point to the extreme violence of the right, there would have been multiple opportunities for them to cry, “They are picking on us!”</p>
<p>I like the way you think, Malcontent. I’m reading Altemeyer’s book <a href="http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/" rel="nofollow">The Authoritarians</a>, right now. It is really great and I’ll recommend to anyone here who wants to know more about RWA (Right Wing Authoritarian) types.</p>
<p>But of course the right wing radio people are really pissed off about the OLC report and taking umbrage on behalf of the Vets (which they are not) and since they can’t claim McVeigh as on of their own they are busy explaining that he was backed by people in the Middle East. Yes, that’s right. Someone wrote a book about it and so they are latching onto this explanation. They are the real conspiracy nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: viejolex1</title>
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		<dc:creator>viejolex1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In equating &lt;b&gt;Code Pink&lt;/b&gt; with &lt;b&gt;ANSWER&lt;/b&gt;, Markos once again displays that annoying batshit crazy nonsensical streak that surfaces from time to time. It may be a function of his relative youth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In equating <b>Code Pink</b> with <b>ANSWER</b>, Markos once again displays that annoying batshit crazy nonsensical streak that surfaces from time to time. It may be a function of his relative youth.</p>
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		<title>By: malcontent</title>
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		<dc:creator>malcontent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Call me a conspiracy nut but the timing of these tea parties along with OLC memo releases and domestic spying leaks has had a distinctly different affect on RWA demographics than it has had on the rest of us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tea parties stroked the egos of the recently marginalized and tweaked their rage in a social environment.  When you are in the depths of a rage your humanity is dimmed and your capacity to reason is gone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It effectively ensured that OLC torture memos on the following day would be self-censored by the right wing dead-enders.  No opportunity for gear gnashing logic to creep in, no discourse, just make yourself feel like you are doing something to help America escape from the liberals.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me a conspiracy nut but the timing of these tea parties along with OLC memo releases and domestic spying leaks has had a distinctly different affect on RWA demographics than it has had on the rest of us.</p>
<p>Tea parties stroked the egos of the recently marginalized and tweaked their rage in a social environment.  When you are in the depths of a rage your humanity is dimmed and your capacity to reason is gone.</p>
<p>It effectively ensured that OLC torture memos on the following day would be self-censored by the right wing dead-enders.  No opportunity for gear gnashing logic to creep in, no discourse, just make yourself feel like you are doing something to help America escape from the liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: spocko</title>
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		<dc:creator>spocko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In SF and San Jose I heard that there were some confrontations. The KSFO crowd (Bay Area tea party organizers) were quick to blame ‘ACORN types’  for the problem. It was also funny to hear them whine about the cost of putting on the protest (”We have a right to assemble! Why should we pay for the porta potties, the government should pay for that! I’m a tax payer…er um wait.”) and I though to the “free speech zones” we were shunted off to for years. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You saw the hostility directed toward Obama at the rallies. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So how many steps are we from signs at events where they hang the president or burn him in effigy? And will Fox news come out and say, “There is no way we could have anticipated people would direct their anger at the President in such a graphic way! We of course don’t condone violence toward anyone —except fascists and Socialists (aka Obama).”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In SF and San Jose I heard that there were some confrontations. The KSFO crowd (Bay Area tea party organizers) were quick to blame ‘ACORN types’  for the problem. It was also funny to hear them whine about the cost of putting on the protest (”We have a right to assemble! Why should we pay for the porta potties, the government should pay for that! I’m a tax payer…er um wait.”) and I though to the “free speech zones” we were shunted off to for years. </p>
<p>You saw the hostility directed toward Obama at the rallies. </p>
<p>So how many steps are we from signs at events where they hang the president or burn him in effigy? And will Fox news come out and say, “There is no way we could have anticipated people would direct their anger at the President in such a graphic way! We of course don’t condone violence toward anyone —except fascists and Socialists (aka Obama).”</p>
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		<title>By: 60thStreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>60thStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know! That was the savory deliciouness of it all! They are (still) clueless, though I’ll bet you now the hangover is a bitch and the despair is settling in.  Plus, Obama is more popular than ever according to new Rsch2000/Kos numbers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll add that I was pleasantly surprised that it actually took FOX news to make these events happen at all and that, even then, morons like Cavuto had to fudge the numbers.  You just know FOX wishes they had hopped on it a month ago, but something tells me they were still under the illusion that it would all happen over the Internet and they could keep their “Fair and Balanced” facade going until the day of the show. Malkin, Putz and Redstate, however, failed miserably at running with the ball Santelli passed over to them and it took the big money people to get the word out to the racist zombies too stupid to organize on the web.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, I also noticed some conservatives wouldn’t touch it.  LGF, for instance, has really distanced themselves from the Palinite lunacy.  They avoided the teabaggers like the plague and are currently at war with Glenn Beck and other foaming wingers.  I honestly don’t even recognize LGF anymore.  They’ve managed to become fairly unmockable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Popcorn futures are up!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know! That was the savory deliciouness of it all! They are (still) clueless, though I’ll bet you now the hangover is a bitch and the despair is settling in.  Plus, Obama is more popular than ever according to new Rsch2000/Kos numbers.</p>
<p>I’ll add that I was pleasantly surprised that it actually took FOX news to make these events happen at all and that, even then, morons like Cavuto had to fudge the numbers.  You just know FOX wishes they had hopped on it a month ago, but something tells me they were still under the illusion that it would all happen over the Internet and they could keep their “Fair and Balanced” facade going until the day of the show. Malkin, Putz and Redstate, however, failed miserably at running with the ball Santelli passed over to them and it took the big money people to get the word out to the racist zombies too stupid to organize on the web.  </p>
<p>And, I also noticed some conservatives wouldn’t touch it.  LGF, for instance, has really distanced themselves from the Palinite lunacy.  They avoided the teabaggers like the plague and are currently at war with Glenn Beck and other foaming wingers.  I honestly don’t even recognize LGF anymore.  They’ve managed to become fairly unmockable.</p>
<p>Popcorn futures are up!</p>
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		<title>By: scribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I dunno.  It would be quite appropriate, though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A while back, I proposed that the first Pennsylvania target for organizing once EFCA passes (or maybe even before) would be the bar/restaurants that Club For Growth Toomey owns with relatives in the Allentown area.  Lots and lots of former union members in that area, people who got screwed out of their pensions when Bethlehem Steel and other companies washed them away by going through bankruptcy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Targeted organizing to start, just for the fun of it.  Do you think the Teamsters will organize waitstaff?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno.  It would be quite appropriate, though.</p>
<p>A while back, I proposed that the first Pennsylvania target for organizing once EFCA passes (or maybe even before) would be the bar/restaurants that Club For Growth Toomey owns with relatives in the Allentown area.  Lots and lots of former union members in that area, people who got screwed out of their pensions when Bethlehem Steel and other companies washed them away by going through bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Targeted organizing to start, just for the fun of it.  Do you think the Teamsters will organize waitstaff?</p>
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