Markos writes on what the right wing teabaggers achieved with their demonstrations Wednesday, as opposed to what liberal bloggers have done over the past three years:
It wasn’t the protest movement that moved the Democratic Party left on Iraq, it was Joe Lieberman’s loss in his Democratic primary in 2006. Prior to that, Rahm Emanuel, as head of the DCCC, was telling Democratic candidates to steer clear of the war. After that primary, the Dems fully embraced ending the war in their campaigns and won huge that fall. In other words, the anti-war cause was best served via electoral politics. After Lieberman’s loss, not even the media could ignore the saliency and validity of the anti-war position. "Patriotism" could no longer be used to silence anti-war voices, we had helped mainstream them.
So now conservatives are out in the cold, far from the levers of power. They are feeling marginalized, ignored, powerless. We know the feeling. It wasn’t long ago that we were there. But instead of adopting the tactics that best served liberals on our way back to power, conservatives seemed to have learned the exact wrong lesson, adopting our most ineffective ones.
And having decided to do street protests, rather than learn from the people that have done effective street protests (like the pro-immigration forces), they decided to go the Code Pink/ANSWER route.
He’s certainly right the efficacy of the Lieberman challenge vs. the silliness of the teabaggers, but I think there are other meaningful distinctions.
The liberals who challenged Joe Lieberman were angry at the Democratic Party and were sending a message. But while the teabaggers were overtly threatening moderate Republicans to toe an extremist line or suffer their wrath, the liberals were warning the Democrats that they were out of touch with the vast majority of the country who were sick of the war and wanted out. We were an independent political movement that shifted the discourse to reflect where the country actually was, and directly paved the way for Barack Obama’s election in 2008. What we did would have been impossible without broad public support for our goals, which mostly went unnoticed by those trying to paint us as "radicals" who were attempting to "purge" moderates from the party.
To the extent that the teabaggers are not aligned with the GOP, it only reflects the tensions between the party and those who fund their big institutions who are constantly pushing for the advancement of their own economic interests. The nebulous goal of the teabaggers — such as it is — is indistinguishable from the Club for Growth. They want lower taxes. That’s great, everyone would like lower taxes, but what they usually wind up fighting for is lower taxes for the Scaifes and the Olins, not ordinary people. The Club for Growth is an unofficial enforcement arm of the GOP, not a group of dissenters. And they want to achieve their goals by cutting programs that have broad public support, like Social Security.
There aren’t a lot of people willing to take to the streets to make that happen, so the whole effort was suffused with a troubling racial subtext that the organizers of the protest were only too happy to exploit with a wink wink, nudge nudge. Michael Steele? Don’t even bother. The PUMAs, who have never heretofore promoted any kind of fiscal responsibility message, were out in force. The only theme that seemed to tie it all together, as many photo essays have documented, was opposition for one reason or another to a widely popular president.
Newt, Dick Armey and other "organizers" actually did fulfill their goals — they made money on both ends. The cash flowed freely from the right wing institutions, and they expanded the lists that they’ll work for mobilization and fundraising. Which they’ll exploit promoting the interests of right wing funders, which they’ll of course get paid for. The "new generation" of online consultants got to put their talents on display in a giant publicity stunt, so they’ll be able to compete for their share of the bounty, too. Erik Kantor gets to look like there’s a movement behind him, it’s a win-win-win all around for the GOP establishment.
And the teabaggers themselves? They get nothing except the ability to show up and hang out with other people who hate Obama, and show the world that their articulated message is completely incoherent. But hey, they got to see their faces on Fox News. In other words, they were willing chumps for the GOP once again.
Nobody involved in this equation on any level has any higher political thought than their own personal gratification and enrichment, and certainly no interest in challenging the GOP establishment. They’re not going to copy our efforts to drag the party in a broadly populist direction because it’s the last thing in the world they have any interest in doing.



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Next: They’re gearing up for July 4, to rip off a holiday for all Americans and try to turn it into a hitching post for their unpopular agenda, if it’s not a joke to call their laundry list of fake grievances an “agenda.” We’ll have to do better than teabagger jokes if we want to finish them off for good.
The tea-tools also showed that they “got” the talking points, but when they got “off message” (when they actually made their own signs to express “themselves”), there was not much there there. No glue to hold them together.
So unlike those of us who had one basic idea, “end the war”, these people are all over the map with a general malaise about taxes and big gummint.
Faux and Co. will continue to beat the drum.
We have our own causes to move forward. It is a very big pile of stuff.
Obama has many fronts to advance. We too need to set some priorities and decide which of our efforts will be most effectively pushed, and how. Otherwise, we may find our effectiveness will fade too.
Well, I couldn’t agree more, but I would add one more thing the teabaggers achieved: proving the efficacy of tax-supported police and rescue services, even in deepest-red central Pennsylvania.
Teabagging can be hazardous to your health.
A 68 y/o woman, teabagging along the Susquehanna River in deep-red Sunbury, PA, fell in and had to be rescued. By tax-supported cops.
She slipped on a rock, went in face-first, and spent a good 10 minutes bobbing gently downstream until a neighbor saw her and called the cops. She is recovering from hypothermia.
What the teabaggers achieved was to demonstrate that a substantial subset of the white folks want their country back. The brown man in the White House is too nearly the same color as the terrorists for their comfort.
Hey Jane!
Lessee, in Biology class I learned that there’s an obvious reason why successful parasites usually don’t kill the host. Is biology banned for goopers, lest they burn teh eyes wid 2 much know-how-lege? Whatever.
What be, be, with a lil’ help from our friends.
I don’t see the lieberman/lamont thing that way at all. People pushing for Lamont weren’t pushing to “punish” lieberman or to push him to the left or anything but trying to get rid of him and to put into his place a more responsible and responsive representative. In other words, it was a wholly pragmatic democratic move. Vote for the people you trust to employ power wisely. The weird part of the teabagging stuff, and the reason its like codepink (of which, btw, I was a member in the early days) was that they are at the attentat stage of political organization. We wanted to replace Lieberman/top dems with better dems. They want to replace dems with republicans. But there are no elections right now and they can’t think of anyway to organize for the long haul. Their politicians think this is a good idea because it keeps the rubes busy *until you need their votes*.
aimai
Part-time governor Palin wants to make abortion and stem cell research the burning issues for the next election.
Dim bulbs shouldn’t strive to stem civil rights and chew gum at the same time, without a net.
I suspect that her opponents (and probably her own Republican state party committee) would rather focus on her absenteeism, her corruption, and her alienation of the entire state legislature. MSM will just want to focus on her teabagging of Levi. With that kind of message fragmentation, perhaps it’ll be a blessedly short candidacy.
“…fell in and had to be rescued. By tax-supported cops.”
Union cops, by any chance?
Dibs on the couch, tv & popcorn.
A lot of things can happen between now and July.
Imagine how it would have been if St. McCain had won: Levi vs. the VP. How dignified, Republics.
O/T sorry to interupt tea-party..is the President corrupt or is it just the people he hires? Seems we were asking this question just eight years ago.
http:www.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/nyregion/17pension.html?_r=1&hpw
I do not think they achieved their goals!
when did you start and/or stop beating your wife, sweetie?
Calling Michael J. Fox…
Jane,
“…and they expanded the lists that they’ll work for mobilization and fundraising.”
I disagree with you on this.
As an anti-war activist in Fayetteville, NC, we went about at every rally and meeting getting names, e-mail addresses and phone numbers. It’s one of the top rules of protest’s (after don’t mess with the police).
But there were many reports that the TEAbag organizers were so afraid of ACORN (?) and Liberals crashing their pity party, that they told people NOT to sign petitions, or put their names on list’s.
I’m sure that they got some names, but not as many as they should have gotten.
And I consider that a minor win for us:-)
They’re not going to copy our efforts to drag the party in a broadly populist direction because it’s the last thing in the world they have any interest in doing.
i think they honestly believe that they are the populists and are the majority while we’re the elite fringe who are frustrating many of tgheir populist goals.
I’m glad Jane focused on the money, and I’m also glad that in a few of the reports (CNN) they mentioned who sponsored this.
It is still astonishing to me just how often astroturfing can be described as grassroots. They observed that the media likes the idea of grassroots and can’t tell the difference unless we point it out. And then they still do the story! I think often it is helpful to understand what they think we do because it leads us to know what they do.
Recently they were going on about “professional protesters” at Anti-war rallies. Why? Because they is what they would do and then they did! They hired professional protest organizers. And, since they have the entire AM dial and Fox, they were able to reach a lot of people.
When you want to upset their message you can do several things. The mocking was great. But I also like the direct confrontation that my friend Jeff did (Sinfonian).
Directly countering their message of course doesn’t make an impact on them, but let’s think about how to cut into their money.
Is Fox a giant 527? If they are, did they break any of the 527 rules? Are there fines/fees for that? You know how they would come after a media outlet if we did something like this. Look at how they have attacked PBS for years. I personally don’t like to go that route, I like looking at the sponsors and convincing them that they don’t want to be aligned with the network that is fomenting violence and preparing for a violent revolution against the country.
So they say Obama is a Fascist. What did Italy do with it’s Fascists in the end? I think you can see where the party of the NRA wants to go next to take back their country. But of course what do I know, I’m a half Vulcan half human hybrid.
masquerade
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That’s the problem. Everyone thinks they are part of a broadly based majority. That has to change. We need more certainty about who stands where and how many stand there. While the liberal left helped the Dems win the last election, they don’t have all that much to show for it.
Blue Texan’s post is ready for our perusal: “Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) to Rick Perry: Texas Can’t Secede from the United States, Idjut”
were you really expecting a complete turn-around in this financially-strapped, war-torn, weary world in 5 minutes? Bushco absolutely trashed the country and heaven knows what else you could tack on to the list, depending on your mood. That FACT does not directly translate into personal failure for those now trying to right the ship.
Well, I think there is a lot of good observation going on here, BUT, I wouldn’t call it win win win all the way around. That’s overlooking a lot of what the right wing lost here.
First, although tis been embarrasingly obvious to the more than mildly politically cognizent what Fox News actually is, it has managed to have had a pretty successful run at convincing many citizens that they are an actual news outlet. They have had the other cable networks following their leads simply due to the high ratings they get simply for over the top douchebaggery. The ratings on FOX are the only reason Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobs even have jobs on the other networks. This week I think they completely blew their cover in addition to their wad. Even the supposed “middle of the roaders” at CNN were ripping them to shreds and FOX’s Megyn Kelly outright admitted they were giving the teabaggers “PR” and “publicity”. Coverage anywhere except FOX was scant comparatively and no one wanted any part of the utterly racist idiocy going on there.
Thes also brought out Bachmann and Palinesque retard speak from not only the FOX anchors and reporters, but from sitting politicians like Perry and his secessionist encore to the idiocy of refusing stimulus money.
Secession is on the order of NeoMccarthyism when it comes to reasoned speechmaking. A terrible terrible idea appealing to only the compound-building, gun-grabbing, mind-jobbing Waco faction of the right wing. I am happy that the DHS report came out in the midst of this and that it provoked such a strong reaction from the wingnuts.
Josh was right: “Conservatives are so incensed by warnings about the threat of right wing radicalism that they’re considering overthrowing the federal government.”
This was not as good a week for them as it would seem.
Yeah the interesting thing is with money trails all over the internet, it’s getting easier and easier to peek behind the curtain.
Expect loud calls for “invasion of privacy” coming any minute now…
actually, you have a point. it’s such a bother when real hoomin beings refuse to line up straight, and fail to maintain perfect order when crafting definitions of -isms.
Oh I totally agree, they looked increasingly marginalized and bizarre. But nobody involved was willing to consider that if it meant shortchanging themselves.
their blindness to that aspect amazes me.
I dunno. It would be quite appropriate, though.
A while back, I proposed that the first Pennsylvania target for organizing once EFCA passes (or maybe even before) would be the bar/restaurants that Club For Growth Toomey owns with relatives in the Allentown area. Lots and lots of former union members in that area, people who got screwed out of their pensions when Bethlehem Steel and other companies washed them away by going through bankruptcy.
Targeted organizing to start, just for the fun of it. Do you think the Teamsters will organize waitstaff?
I know! That was the savory deliciouness of it all! They are (still) clueless, though I’ll bet you now the hangover is a bitch and the despair is settling in. Plus, Obama is more popular than ever according to new Rsch2000/Kos numbers.
I’ll add that I was pleasantly surprised that it actually took FOX news to make these events happen at all and that, even then, morons like Cavuto had to fudge the numbers. You just know FOX wishes they had hopped on it a month ago, but something tells me they were still under the illusion that it would all happen over the Internet and they could keep their “Fair and Balanced” facade going until the day of the show. Malkin, Putz and Redstate, however, failed miserably at running with the ball Santelli passed over to them and it took the big money people to get the word out to the racist zombies too stupid to organize on the web.
And, I also noticed some conservatives wouldn’t touch it. LGF, for instance, has really distanced themselves from the Palinite lunacy. They avoided the teabaggers like the plague and are currently at war with Glenn Beck and other foaming wingers. I honestly don’t even recognize LGF anymore. They’ve managed to become fairly unmockable.
Popcorn futures are up!
In SF and San Jose I heard that there were some confrontations. The KSFO crowd (Bay Area tea party organizers) were quick to blame ‘ACORN types’ for the problem. It was also funny to hear them whine about the cost of putting on the protest (”We have a right to assemble! Why should we pay for the porta potties, the government should pay for that! I’m a tax payer…er um wait.”) and I though to the “free speech zones” we were shunted off to for years.
You saw the hostility directed toward Obama at the rallies.
So how many steps are we from signs at events where they hang the president or burn him in effigy? And will Fox news come out and say, “There is no way we could have anticipated people would direct their anger at the President in such a graphic way! We of course don’t condone violence toward anyone —except fascists and Socialists (aka Obama).”
Call me a conspiracy nut but the timing of these tea parties along with OLC memo releases and domestic spying leaks has had a distinctly different affect on RWA demographics than it has had on the rest of us.
Tea parties stroked the egos of the recently marginalized and tweaked their rage in a social environment. When you are in the depths of a rage your humanity is dimmed and your capacity to reason is gone.
It effectively ensured that OLC torture memos on the following day would be self-censored by the right wing dead-enders. No opportunity for gear gnashing logic to creep in, no discourse, just make yourself feel like you are doing something to help America escape from the liberals.
In equating Code Pink with ANSWER, Markos once again displays that annoying batshit crazy nonsensical streak that surfaces from time to time. It may be a function of his relative youth.
malcontent: No, I won’t call you a conspiracy nut. If the report came out right after the shooting at the UUC church people might thing it was a conspiracy. But since there are multiple events that will point to the extreme violence of the right, there would have been multiple opportunities for them to cry, “They are picking on us!”
I like the way you think, Malcontent. I’m reading Altemeyer’s book The Authoritarians, right now. It is really great and I’ll recommend to anyone here who wants to know more about RWA (Right Wing Authoritarian) types.
But of course the right wing radio people are really pissed off about the OLC report and taking umbrage on behalf of the Vets (which they are not) and since they can’t claim McVeigh as on of their own they are busy explaining that he was backed by people in the Middle East. Yes, that’s right. Someone wrote a book about it and so they are latching onto this explanation. They are the real conspiracy nuts.
As a fan of Code Pink I reject the slights against them. However, my reason for posting is that the stupid Teabaggers had something on their side that liberals never had: a complicit media. I think we continue to ignore the elephant in the room when we pretend that media is some neutral journalistic force. The mainstream media is a propaganda vehicle for the corporate Right, and that’s ALL it is.
So the Teabagger’s “influence” was magnified several times over by media complicity: Taking careful tight shots of the tiny teabagging crowd to make it seem larger; Neil Cavuto making up impressive sounding crowd numbers when he didn’t remember he was miked; and every paper in the country reporting on this ginned-up tantrum as if it were a real political event.
The corporations own Congress and they own the media. Until we change that, our victories will only be temporary, and our effectiveness will be decimated.
And Code Pink? At least THEY can titillate the media sufficiently to get coverage, albeit as crackpots. That’s better than the “don’t rock the boat” pennyloafer pols can do.
I agree it is quite a mess. I also think Obama has made a good start in some areas, but as far as the economy goes, it is the same as Bush. Obama is not as rigid as Bush so he may change course if the present plan doesn’t work. I don’t think it will work. Time will tell.
I might add Obama is in a bind. The wealthy can be literally lethal if they see their privileges threatened. In Family of Secrets by I think somebody named Baker, Baker suggests GHW Bush was involved with the JFK assassination, having been involved with the CIA since he graduated Yale. Baker suggests JFK got assassinated because he intended to leave Vietnam and was making overtures to Cuba. Obama’s making way overdue overtures to Cuba, but they may be just as dangerous.
I agree with you, but one of the things that makes me crazy is when I’m in some “public” venue — e.g., waiting in the line @ car rental, waiting for my flight at the airport, in the food court @ a shopping mall, etc. — and ALL that’s on the ever-present tv is FOX.
To me this means their “message” gets broadcast to a far wider audience than that which would choose it willingly.
FWIW, I always ask that the channel be changed from FOX whenever I’m in one of these situations.
Sorry, but I completely disagree with your approval of Code Pink.
As someone who’s participated in protests since the days of draft card burning & Vietnam, I don’t see media coverage of Code Pink as furthering any “liberal” cause.
Instead, Code Pink provides a neat way for right wingers to characterize “critics” on any issue as batshit crazies. There are ways to get attention, and then there’s wearing teabags on your head — or wearing a pink hat, shirt, sign, etc.
Code Pink does much more harm than good.