Feargasm. LOL!

My take? Same as yours BT.

Only 53% of American adults believe capitalism is better than socialism.

Yeah. So?

The poll also found that twenty-seven percent (27%) are not sure which is better. That’s probably because Republics had been in control for so long.

Glenn Reynolds tells us not to worry:

Hey, that’s a bigger percentage than Barack Obama got in November, and that was supposed to be a landslide!

Oh, I feel so much better now…

The fact that a “free-market economy” attracts substantially more support than “capitalism” may suggest some skepticism about whether capitalism in the United States today relies on free markets.

Heh.

On the other hand, if you’re Hannitized or a Dittohead who only knows that “socialism” = “bad,” I suppose you would find this alarming.

The recent surge in gun sales and gun violence makes me wonder if they also believe antisocial = anti-socialism?

Members of the proletariat who are willing to sacrifice their lives for capitalists remind me of Confederate soldiers, most of whom were not affluent, that were duped into fighting and dying on behalf of wealthy slave-owners.

there is social programs in our capitalist system but to abandon capitalism in favor of a pure socialist system would be catastrophic. The question is posed poorly sure in a capitalistic system it makes it much easier for private funds and charities to have programs to help underpriviledged and the needs of Americans.

The poll also found that twenty-seven percent (27%) are not sure which is better.

Y’know, that number just sorta popped out at me (given the so-called polarization of this country) because it seemed so high…….people usually have a definite opinion one way or the other on most topics.

I wonder if, rather than just automatically voting for the side that would normally be thug, some people are maybe thinking they need more information than they’re getting. That attitude being generated by thug philosophy having been wrong about almost everything in the last decade or so.

That paragraph is just about as clear as mud but I don’t have another half-hour to spend trying to sound like I have two brain cells to rub together. *G* Hope you can catch the drift.

there is social programs

Iz thar?

Police in US = socialism
War in Mexican border towns = free market economy

sorry I can type it again and really check my spelling so you can understand it better.

Actually it is a black market economy, the inevitable result of prohibition. Prohibition can only be successful in the absence of demand but in that case you wouldn’t need a law, would you?

no need to do that. if you re-type it and puncuiate it perfectly, it’ll still be incoherent, in my view.

The “free” market?

1. There is no “free” market. It’s expensive.
2. The banks had a “free” market. That was really expensive.
3. I’d like some competition to congress. They seem to have a monopoly (how socialist) on power. aka: We can write laws for the good of all of you.
4. I’m not so sure a “representative” democracy is either representitive or worthwile. We have the technology for a citizen vote on everything.

think i agree on 3 outta 4.
1. no free market. agreed.
2.bank bailout was expensive. yup.
3. gotta send some entrenched incumbents packing.

but

4. citizen vote on everything? nah,.

Rasmussen is a pollster like Hannity is a journalist.

Rasmussen Rasputin is a pollster like Hannity is a journalist.

2. congress allowed changes to the mark-to-market accounting laws and I believe if they would have done that a year and a half ago they might not have even needed the bailout funds, the banks that is. Look Wells Fargo made $3 billion this quarter, why are they not allowed to pay the money back to the government???? Could it be that Timmy is so close to getting the power to “nationalize” any business that he wants they they are trying to suck everything they can out of this crisis??

Geez. I for one would not only welcome socialism if it knocked on the door, I would fix it dinner and ask it to move in with me.

We don’t have capitalism in this country, anyway. What a joke. If we had real capitalism, all the idiot bankster failures would be hitchiking down the road, on their way to any country stupid enough to take them.

Stop the insHannity.

-G

I wonder if, rather than just automatically voting for the side that would normally be thug, some people are maybe thinking they need more information than they’re getting.

That makes sense. People really believed the republicans, and now they know they’ve been duped. Interesting that the numbers of nonbelievers has grown, too, in religion surveys.

Their ethics are not cradle to grave. Just plain self-centered, not selfless, and lacking any consistent ethos.

It’s a false choice. Name a “pure socialist system.”

Ditto!

In fact, I’ll go one step beyond:

4. citizen vote on everything? nah,.

That is a horrid idea!!!

http://mediamatters.org/column…..09?f=h_top

http://www.alternet.org/rights…..%27s_rage/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200904080025?f=h_top

http://mediamatters.org/limbau…..04/08#0024

http://www.thedailyshow.com/vi…..hobia-obey

or pure capitalistic system. No such animals.

Right.

Prohibit the Segway? Oh wait…

Crime is an industry, with P&L just like everything else. Crime has some advantages:

1. The difference is the media keep advertising crime, so their advertising budget is negative (there’s no such thing as bad PR)
2. Their risk reward ratio is higher than legitimate business (except hedge funds).
3. Their competitive actions are somewhat more lethal, “eliminate the competition” is a literal statement.
4. Behind every fortune is a large crime – or a large crime family.

it is. coul;dn’t think of then right word. actually, i thought of two many words and couldn’t pick the right one. so i just went with “nah.”

anybody ever heard of Peter Roff? “Former Senior Political Wroter – UPI”. Current asshole?
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews……parties-2/

You are right, it could not exist because they collapse on themselves, but I guess i was referring to countries with a socialist prevailence like france or germany. They offer many good things but the ceiling is to low for my tastes.

Isn’t that a dog? Peter? Roff!

The GOP has officially become the party of crazy people. They’ve annointed a disc jockey its leader, the head of the RNC is openly ridiculed by its own members, a Texas rep. says Asians need to change their names to sound more American and Michelle Bachmann is, well, Michelle Bachmann.

There aren’t enough blogs in the virtual universe to keep track of all the, uh, elephant poop emanating from the right. They’ve proved they don’t know how to govern, now they don’t even know how to be an opposition party.

I believe socialist leaning countries only survive through its capitalist spirit that feeds all the social agendas and “reforms’. Capitalism has the ability to develope into something that breeds social programs inside itself and still allows it to grow and prosper.

LOL right with ya. Feargasm. (spit take).

But that’s why the whole question is bogus and the whole freakout is stupid.

You know, here’s my early morning Health care thought.

Some employers have resorted to hiring part timers to avoid paying for benefits. You know, they really don’t want the hassle of providing all this. So think of all the Capitalistic gain to be had from universal health care. You know, a pro-business spin is there to be had if one can tune out the InSHannities.

BT have i told you lately that I love ya? Your posts are always way kewl.

That was totally sincere and not meant to suck up to headliners so that my future diaries will be read and commented on….

:]

I’ve been thinking that same thing for a long time. It’s don’t understand why more Fortune 500 companies aren’t advocating for universal coverage in a big way.

Starbucks, for example, spends more money on health care than coffee beans.

That’s nutty.

yep people still don’t seem to understand how fun statistics can be not to mention how easily a poll can be made into a certain responce by using certain words and how results can be tilted a certain way.

I agree with that in therory but I also see the double digit rate that Medicare costs are increasing and just see taxes going through the roof. I also think that quality of care would be diminished with the rationing of medical products that would be the first cost saving move that would occur like other places where this occurs.

these words are rediculous

capitolism can’t exist without socialism, money is a social project, as is ownership and the courts

I believe socialist leaning countries only survive through its capitalist spirit that feeds all the social agendas and “reforms’.

The socialist institutions of America, like public streets, libraries, hospitals, schools (albeit hanging on by a thread) police and fire departments, Veterans’ facilities, VA disability and retirement benefits, Social Security benefit checks, Medicaid and Medicare, remain as a calming refuge in a capitalist system run amok.

That deafening sucking sound you hear is the vacuum of the insatiable banksters hoovering up your socialist tax dollars into their capitalist pockets.

And I though that was the socalist airlines landing and taking off from the socalist airports, coupled with the traffic on the socialist roads.

I’m really stupid.

I believe socialist leaning countries only survive through its capitalist spirit that feeds all the social agendas and “reforms’

I often ponder, What is it that makes capitalists are so god-damned benevolent? And then I remember – free markets. May I have some more gamma rays please?

What pays for these????? Government tax dollars from people who work in the private sector (mostly) and property taxes from people who own homes and make money to fund it as well as have the freedom to do many other things.
Is the government gonna save us all? Are they capable of running businesses, look at the Post office…. $2 billion in the whole and the head still gets a fat bonus, where is the screaming outrage there. Government runs by and for its citizens not over and above.

Together with the “capitalists” screaming about “socialism” whenever the possibility of a somewhat better quality of life for the rest of us puts their accumulated billions in jeopardy.

Right and the government who I presume would run the healthcare industry if nationalized, gave them the money and now won’t take it back because they want more power and a prolonged crisis to get more shit done under the veil of fear. Some bankers are corrupt and many are just stupid by doing things they don’t understand or taking on too much risk but the government has a perpetual problem of this and giving them more control is not the answer.

cost of life not neccesarily quality but of course that would depend on your definition. These billions you speak of are still worthless if the US goes in the tank and the dollar crashes. Well I guess except for george Soros who bet against the dollar and squeked out a billion dollars in gains this year.

And of course the rubes (case in point) who fall for this “oooh scary, scary socialism!” rhetoric from “capitalists” who rob them blind every bloody time.

If you took the time to really, really understand what a truly socialist system would look like, with the profit motive and its accompanying need to seek and secure new markets by force if necessary impoverishing those who get in the way gone maybe it wouldn’t be so catastrophic if the “American way” disappeared.

All the American way has gotten us is a very polarized, impoverished, moribund middle and working class and an increasingly wealthy, not comfortable but obscenely wealthy, upper elite bourgeoisie which cares not about this country but about its own continued privileged existence.

Socialism is not and never will be what Russia became after Stalin hijacked the revolution and turned the country into a charnel house. I don’t see how the continued existence of the American way of life has any benefit for myself or my kids and grandchildren if things continue the way they are being done right now.

and they are still suckers today.

Sure there are some upper elites that are horrible but that transcends all classes. I would not disagree that changes do need to be made but I don’t see how going towards european socialism style will help us. I love living in a country that I can make $35,000 a year (yeah maybe I have to work every day or two jobs for a while) I can slowly grow into a comfortable life with many benefits that I cherish more because I worked my ass off for and earned myself. I can study and learn how to use my money to best benefit me and make my life better over time. By doing work on numbers I found that by putting my upcoming $.40 an hours raise towards into my companies 401K program with the 30% match, that I can save an extra $2000 this year for retirement and save an addition $600 in tax payments by upping my contributions from 6% to 10%. This will only cost me $10 a week from what I am currently making but benefit me about $50 a week. Most people either don’t know how to do this, don’t care to, or don’t want to and that change would be great for america

There are many huge corporations that provide those $35K jobs that write the rules and get around the government rules of whatever country they are operating in.

These people do not hesitate to send people to war, poison their food, ruin their environment. It does not touch them.

what is missing here are the comparative statistics about socialism

back in the 1970s, socialism was pretty unpopular

in 2009, socialism is gettin pretty popular

another “disaster accomplished” moment for today’s repuglitard party

With all due respect, how long have you been a building a better life on $35K and a 401K plan? My guess is not long.

You’ll find that, under the current status quo, neither your wage nor your 401K will grow as fast as inflation, but your workload will grow a lot faster. That is, your productivity will increase as you work harder and get better at whatever it is you do. But you will not get to keep any of that extra productivity.

For 20+ years now, productivity increases have been skimmed off by executives who neither do any of the real work nor provide any of the real woring capital. Wages and benefits fall steadily. 401Ks disappear into brokerage fees, market-timing schemes, periodic speculative panics, and plain old embezzlement. The executives’ taxes fall, while yours go up. And when the executives actually lose some of the money they grubbed gambling in the markets, they will raid your savings to make themselves whole.

So only a fool could worry about “socialism” at this point. We have already got Anti-Socialism. It offers all the central planning, all the inefficiency, and all the cronyism of the original, with none of the free healthcare and free colleges.