Ooooh, Biblical snap!

Poor Jonah.

Born on 1st Base, thought he hit a triple, and thinks he should be awarded Home just because he’s Jonah.

Good post, peterr.

Yes, they hate that part of the message of Jesus, and indeed, many religions.

To what organization does Jonah tithe?

I thought it was his mother’s money.

Actually, it’s Sam Zell’s.
Zell decided that hiring hacks like Jonah, Andrew Malcolm and the
rest of the LATimes wrecking crew was a wise use of his bond-holder’s money.

Peterr–

Everyone knows Jesus was speaking figuratively and preferred a flat tax, err, tithe.

Sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor,…

oh, that’s not gonna go over well at all.

Surely there’s some exception that Jonah could latch onto – like maybe money already set aside for Cheeto’s, champagne and other, you know, *necessities*….

Is Jonah a christian?

Was jonah regurgitated by a whale?

good question. What’s in a name, anyway?

IIRC, the 10% rule is Old Testament.
The New Testament is more liberal :)

BTW – I personally loved Jerry Brown’s 1992 flat tax plan
15% with exemptions for dependants and one deduction for primary residence expenditure rent or own.
Fair as fair could be, and his numbers said it was revenue neutral.

I believe the Pantload is Episcopalian.

The hypocrisy of so many who say they are Christian – especially on the right – and then ignore Jesus’s most basic tenets, is amazing and absurd. Only a highly developed propaganda machine, honed over the past 30 years, could convince a significant number of the electorate that right-wing Repubs are the ‘best’ Christians, when Repub policies constantly attempt to benefit the rich and shaft the poor.

It’s there.

I, personally, would like to see this as a Jubilee time wherein wealth is redistributed—like from the banksters to maybe those who are in need . . .

There is another quote that comes to mind – I’m sketchy about the details but if memory serves it came out of an argument about paying taxes or not – and Jesus says “Render up to Ceaser what belongs to Cesaer (i.e. money and more to the point the taxes you owe), and render up to God what belongs to God.” (and don’t go about confusing the two).
Jesus again if memory serves spent time with roman tax collectors and lepers and hookers treating them like actual human beings. Something our dear Joanh would find very hard to do.

in addition;

when considering the fact that those wealthy spend a far lower percentage of wage, those not wealthy are taxed at a far higher rate then those wealthy since they pay tax again for state, local, sales and useage

I’ll tell you when they can have a flat tax;

when there are no other fees or taxes besides one final tax, and those who can’t afford to survive are taxed at reasonable rates acccording to living expenses, this way the middle class and poor are not taxed at an unfair rate as compared to the wealthy, then they can have their flat tax

not gonna happen

Mama Lucianne: “I can take the hits,” she told CNN. “I’m a rich old lady.”

I don’t know about tax collectors or lepers, but if he’s getting any, he’s paying for it.

also, unearned income needs to be taxed at a supremely high rate, those working for a living need the break, not those making money off the good fortune of another business

Are there any bible verse contradictions that indicate that a wealthy Christian could keep most of his money and still qualify for his afterlife reward?

Wealthy Christians might be any North Americans as compared to the Global Poor.

Go in peace – feed the hungry

my nuns taught ne that tithing was a Protestant thing. our thing was “to those to whom much has been given, much will be expected” or something like that.

Easier for a Camel to pass thru the eye of a needle was once explained thusly:

In accordance with the appropriate biblical period, the eye of a needle was an opening in a wall whereby a camel could indeed pass.

Therefore, wealthy people can indeed make it to heaven. Problem solved.

Feed them and birth control them concurrently.

And from everyone who has been given much shall much be required; and to whom they entrust much, of him they will ask all the more” (Luke 12:47-48).

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forcibly?
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regurgitated? I have something on that too.

For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, ‘A dog returns to its own vomit’, and, ‘A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire’”(2 Peter 2:20-22).

Actually Jonah Goldberg needs to a) remember Abraham Lincoln’s admonition …

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt

… and b) stick to his own, when speaking of religion

Corpus Juris Canonici (Canon Law) 222 § 1

Christ’s faithful have the obligation to provide for the needs of the Church, so that the Church has available to it those things which are necessary for divine worship, for apostolic and charitable work and for the worthy support of its ministers.

And most importantly § 2

They are also obliged to promote social justice and, mindful of the Lord’s precept, to help the poor from their own resources.

There is no minimum percentage of income that is required to give as Jonah would have you believe. It is left to the conscience of individuals. And that you can supplement your financial giving with gifts of time and volunteering if you don’t have money

Jonah would probably tell you about the “Needle’s Eye” gate in Jerusalem, supposedly a narrow gate that isn’t on any maps or archeological documents, that required someone to unload their camel in order to pass through.

If he hates this text from Luke, then Doughy will flip out when he gets around to mommy reading Matthew to him. Matt and his Boss were fire-breathing re-distributionists. In fact rich greedy pigs will find very little solace or support in the gospels at all. Were I a pinhead wingnut pundit like Pantload, I’d support my sophistry with the old testament.

Let me emphasize § 2

They are also obliged to promote social justice and, mindful of the Lord’s precept, to help the poor from their own resources.

For all of Jonah Goldberg’s conservative Catholic friends and colleagues

the guy is just plain full of shit. the Church doesn’t set any kind of monetary or per centage basis for giving. it just doesn’t.

Jonah has gotta love this
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoo…..ightmares/

he just makes shit up

Jane’s upstairs with Big News

Both of the last two Pope’s, Benedict and John Paul II, on taxes in general and progressive income taxes

Good Christians Pay Taxes, Says Pope

Comments on Duty to Be Law-abiding Citizens

VATICAN CITY, OCT. 31, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Good Christians must also be good citizens, and this implies even the unpleasant task of paying taxes, says Benedict XVI.

The Pope said this today to the more than 30,000 rain-soaked participants at the general audience in St. Peter’s Square. The Pontiff, continuing his series of meditations on the Fathers of the Church, spoke of St. Maximus, the bishop of Turin.

http://www.zenit.org/rssenglish-20890

… The progressive income tax also is the most effective way of implementing a principle that Pope John Paul has succinctly called “the universal destination of all the earth’s goods.” In his 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus, the pope stated, “God gave the earth to the whole human race for the sustenance of all its members, without excluding or favouring anyone” (n. 31). To put it simply: We should share what we have because everything belongs to God.

http://www.wcr.ab.ca/columns/e…..0200.shtml

Jonah must take Mark 14:7 as essentially saying “what they hey…taxes aren’t going to change anything!

“For ye have the poor with you always”

But he ignores the second half of the verse.

“and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.”

In other words, the duty to help the poor was actually perpetual…and rather than it making no difference Jesus specifically states that contributing money to them “may do them good”.

Luke 12:16
“Then He spoke a parable to them, saying: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded plentifully. And he thought within himself, saying, ‘What shall I do, since I have no room to store my crops?’ So he said, ‘I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build greater, and there I will store all my crops and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.’”

The rich are the only group that Rabbi Yeshua categorically rejected. You cannot be a wealthy Christian. Period.

Tithing is actually an “Abrahamic” thing…The Jews tithed (and Muslims actually carry on that specific tradition of 10%). But in the Torah the tithes were applied to different purposes at different times. In addition these were supplemental to “sacrifices” made to the Temple. One year the tithe went to the Temple, but every 3rd and 7th year the tithe went completely to the poor (the “poor tithe”). In other years the widows and orphans received the tithe.

Tithes were also placed on war booty. So the “profits” acquired through military action were tithed. But contrary to Jonah, the poor were definitely NOT tithed. In fact only those land-holders and farmers that produced agricultural goods were tithed. Tradesmen were not (thus Joseph would not have been), and fisherman were not tithed. Preists and techers were not tithed. During the days of Judaea and Samaria there was also compulsory service expected for civic programs.

In addition, there were taxes that were distinct from the tithes, issued on goods and products by the Romans, Greeks and other states that controlled the region. These were for the costs of civic programs and Administration.

You obviously don’t have the appropriate sensitivity about what parts of the bible are literal and which are figurative. When Paul says that homosexuals can’t get into heaven, that’s literal. When Jesus says the rich can’t get into heaven, that’s figurative.

The only beef I’ve had with Jesus over the years had been his rather shabby treatment of the dogs. Seems to me he should have focused more on those damned cats.

Just how much better is this?

Speaking of cats and Bibles = LOLcat Bible

The only way that a camel could pass through that gate, the Eye of the Needle, was if it were not carrying a load of merchandise. In other words, if it is a rich man’s camel, it won’t fit. If it isn’t loaded with anyone’s wealth, it could.

Hmmmm…. why do the words ‘Pharisees’ and ‘temple’ come to mind when I read the name ‘Jonah Goldberg’…?

Everyone knows Jesus was speaking figuratively and preferred a flat tax, err, tithe.

The Fair 100% flat tax?

the day i begin looking to jonah goldberg for religious advice is the day i look to glen beck for life consuling, bill o’really for sex advice, or rush limbaugh for anything but a good laugh.

We all carry our past with us.

The British took all their societal neuroses everywhere their colonialism went. The Soviets took their dour attitude and poverty with them around the world and are now dust. And, we Americans carry our capitalism and morality and exceptionalism with us everywhere.

Either we are great and offer good to the world or they are bound to reject us as assuredly as we reject them.

The Jews carry their immense and painful past with them every day. On a clear day you can see it piled high on their shoulders. They can’t easily imagine another future and they seem very insecure and resentful because of it. How can they ever drop that without losing the best of it? How can they ever accept that the Palestinians need a homeland too, that they’re somewhat equals in that sense?

None of us easily accepts ‘the other’.

What kind of “Mark” is it that you carry?

Well you tell just half the story. The man came to Jesus and gave his bona fides as a good man, and asked what else.

In the next chapter Jesus encounters Zachaeus who considers himself a sinner and unworthy. When he tells Jesus that he gives half of all he gets to the poor, Jesus pronounces salvation on his entire household.

So maybe it’s a sliding scale.

It all cums down to “Get thee behind me Jonah.” How big a hole in that needle you counting on JG?

There is always some smoting going on when it comes to the Religions.

In this case the smoting of Jonah comes to him very deservedly.

It won’t be the last time Jonah merits a smote……………!

Jonah’s projected path (if continues) warrants a whole lot of somting to come.