Just when you thought the financial meltdown would have ended once and for all the notion of killing off Social Security and handing out its dismembered pieces to brokerage firms eager to get their hands on its cash so they can charge you twenty times the overhead costs on your retirement money, the Washington Post runs this bit of bogosity:
The U.S. recession is wreaking havoc on yet another front: the Social Security trust fund.
With unemployment rising, the payroll tax revenue that finances Social Security benefits for nearly 51 million retirees and other recipients is falling, according to a report from the Congressional Budget Office. As a result, the trust fund’s annual surplus is forecast to all but vanish next year — nearly a decade ahead of schedule — and deprive the government of billions of dollars it had been counting on to help balance the nation’s books.
Ooooh, scary! And of course all the Usual Conservative Oooh I Wanna Eat Up That Yummy Trust Fund Folks from the American Enterprise Institute are once again singing their old "we must destroy Social Security in order to save it" nonsense.
What the article doesn’t mention is that depletion of the trust fund always happens in a recession. And the one actual side effect here is that the budget deficit’s true size will be revealed. Big whoop. When the economy is righted, the problem goes away.
We’ve been through this before, folks. Here’s the deal: The trustees’ long-range economic growth projections are so low-balled that were they actually to occur, Social Security would be the LEAST of our worries.
For example: Economic growth over the period of 1929 to 2004 — years that include the Great Depression — averaged 3.6%. It only takes a 2.7% average to keep SS fully funded forever. Yet the trustees, in order to achieve their sky-is-falling bullshit numbers, consistently project long-term growth rates of around 1.8%, which means they’re predicting Depression Forever — in which case we’d have much, much bigger things to worry about than SS. Such as total societal collapse and cannibalism.
The whole thing reads like an AEI talking points sheet. But the truly scary thing is that, apparently on its way from the AEI to the WaPo, it stopped by the allegedly-liberal Center for American Progress for some prog-washing to make it look appetizing to non-conservatives:
"This is not a problem for Social Security, it’s a problem for fiscal responsibility," said Christian Waller, a public policy professor at the University of Massachusetts at Boston and a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. He said the new estimates would force President Obama and his budget director, Peter Orszag, "to stay on track in what they have set out to do, and that is rein in deficits."
Um, no. As Dick Cheney himself said, Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter. The big thing now is to spend and stimulate, and let the rollback of the trillion-dollar Bush tax cuts for the rich do its good work, among other things. As Paul Krugman noted last November, FDR found out the hard way in 1937 that going deficit-hawking during a depression is the last thing one should do.



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Hey PW, thanks for this post. Good ammo for wingnut neighbors.;)
Keep saying it:Social Security is OK. Do most people know that those “undocumented” workers who are paying into the Social Security system are putting in a lot of money and will not collect it? Do people know that many people die before they can collect Social Security? Big chunks of money not paid out. The late great John Hess was very loud in his pointing out that there’s no fight between the old and the young in re social security and it’s future, and that social security isn’t broken. His blog is still online http://www.johnlhess.blogspot.com He worked for the NYTimes for years, and his autobio talks about his challenging of the paper’s policies.
Dean Baker last week – it’s like squawking about the lawn needing mowing when the house is on fire !
thank you for this Phoenix Woman – easy to understand (yeay!)
I guess you have to admire their persistence in staying on a theme regardless of actual evidence to the contrary.
Of course, people with functioning brains, usually do understand that the midst of a financial system meltdown, might not be the opportune time to try to steal what’s left of the societal safety net.
Egads. I figured out how to do correction in original. If I may quote John Hess, “Getting old is not for sissies.”. I’m still learning tech…
do WaPo editors not speak with one another, is there stovepiping ferchrissakes ?!?!? they actually published this the very week the Pension Fund Scandal tragedy is emerging ?? wow …
Nom nom nom nom *banksters salivating for our SS* nom nom nom nom
Yeesh. We get practically nothing from the government as it is. Leave our pitiful little old-age pension alone.
these twisted fucks probably already have the marketing campaign drawn up -
just as they did with the Pension Scandal, they are going to tout a much higher rate of return. hoping folks already reeling from an eroding 401k will buy in
With the stock market meltdown and many people’s homes declining in value, surely there are some workers who are postponing retirement. Doesn’t this help the Social Security trust fund?
For Republics, Cheney’s statement about Reagan and deficits only holds true so long as a Republic is President.
Fine lets accept what they say is true. Then lets ask the American people if they want to spend their money on fighting 2 wars or Social Security?
Do they want Military Spending on Star Wars or for Grand Dad with the adult Diapers to leave the home and move in with them?
Every cut in Social Security makes the idea of Complete 100% coverage National Healthcare stronger after all if we cut Social Security in the economy just how will old folks afford the stuff not covered.
Yes but are those numbers factored in to this study is the question?
I think the GOP has a dream of what would happen to stocks people like them own now if Social Security was invested in the market.
All that new cash flooding in would goose the market for awhile the GOP loves bubble surfing.
Tech Bubble, Housing Bubble and now the proposed Social Security bubble they have learned nothing.
Spending isn’t the problem so much as how little we get back for it, from return-less bail-outs to big banks, to overpriced, no questions asked defense contracts and outsourcing with abandon.
Government is a player; it deserves an effective voice. Republicans want to treat it as a personal piggy bank, Democrats like a jobs bank for those on Capitol Hill. Neither works well or meets the needs of constituents outside the Beltway or Wall Street. Please, Mr. Obama, run your government as effectively as you speak.
AEI and Heritage prolly have entire divisions just for trashing SS. The msm actually drug one of these think tank “economists” out of the shadows to blather on about the economy a week or so ago.
Sure wish F1 was webstreamed. I’d even pay for that.
Oh they’ve learned alot…it just doesn’t benefit US. They’ve learned how to fleece the America public really well.
I expect to be starving in my home if I lose my SSI which the Repubs hate the very most; all us disabled persons who are good for nothing and prolly don’t even NEED the help; fraudulent people!………sorta like the banks that took TARP when they didn’t need it , ya know.
Maybe I could give lessons on how to live on $600.00 a month while paying a mortgage…….hmmmmmmmmmm
Thanks for this great quote Phoenix Woman:
“For example: Economic growth over the period of 1929 to 2004 — years that include the Great Depression — averaged 3.6%. It only takes a 2.7% average to keep SS fully funded forever. Yet the trustees, in order to achieve their sky-is-falling bullshit numbers, consistently project long-term growth rates of around 1.8%, which means they’re predicting Depression Forever — in which case we’d have much, much bigger things to worry about than SS. Such as total societal collapse and cannibalism.”
I just which more people were exposed to the truth. Lots of people hear the same lies so many times on TV they never even question what they are hearing. Somehow this message has got reach people who are not already in the choir.
Hi Kassandra. I have a plan to ruin the Republiklan party.