Comments on: Obama to GM: No More Bailout Money Unless You Break Your Contracts

By: prostratedragon

prostratedragon — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:59:20 +0000

Jane, thanks for pulling together the Pimco material. With the profusion of current events in general plus their tendency to remain quiet unless making a move, it’s possible to forget that they’re such critical and self-motivated players.

By: Larue

Larue — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:45:56 +0000

Well said. The oligarchy not as a competing element, but as THE element.

And that’s a bad bet for Obama to make.

We wield influence by our ability to be a part of it all, not by sending in troops, or controlling the money supply.

Well, we DO influence with weapons and troops, and we DO influence by controlling or manipulating the money supply (IMF, World Bank), but it’s not a GOOD influence.

Is Obama continuing the old ways? Propping up the oligarchs? Or is he stabilizing things in order to bring about change? Is he igniting the masses on purpose, by denying the desire for change in the systems?

Who the flock knows? Stay tuned, it ain’t over yet, and it’s too early to call.

Worry over, yes, but too early to call . . . is Obama the new FDR, or the Old Reagan?

Too soon to call, never too early to worry and speak up loud.

Thanks to FDL and all who do use ‘teh voices’.

Here’s hoping.

By: Larue

Larue — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:39:33 +0000

Part of the plan Obama has. Remember, we have to be mad, and MAKE HIM DO IT!

This certainly, makes us mad. Don’t it. ;-)

I’d guess that this has been posted, but to revisit it, here’s Bill Moyers with William Greider from Friday:

Unholy Alliances, All.

Not that the linky is related DIRECTLY to GM thread topics, but, it’s related to a good man doing good interviews even if the guest IS shilling a book.

Linky is also related to Greider’s opinions of how corrupt, and how deep the corruption goes, WRT our econ sitch.

I mean, if we the sheeple didn’t get it between Milken/Drexler and now, will we EVER get it?

/preachingtochoir

Change sure as shit is slow, ain’t it . . . we have to MAKE him do it, just like the people did with FDR.

That IS clear, to all, by now, yes? So we need more of the sheeple to speak, and we all need to speak louder.

And. Make. Him. Do. It.

May I Suggest A New Way Forward?

Thank you for marking your calendars.

That concludes this harumph. ;-)

By: mafr

mafr — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:39:02 +0000

anyone here, or anywhere notice that spain has initiated criminal proceedings against some top american bush administration officials?

considering that people have been screaming for this for years, it’s wierd how silent they are when someone does it.

By: brandane

brandane — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:58:35 +0000

When are people going to stop living in “Denial”? Obi One and the democrats are not going to change anything. the unions will still continue to lose membership, the bill to make it easier to vote for a union will be defeated and the Democrats will blame the obstuctionist Repugs, nothing will happen to prosecute the Bush/Cheney cabal and meanwhile the biggest heist in history will continue. The “Elitists” will win and we will be back to the Fuedal systerm once more. Oh, they will say all the correct things, like get more education, get retrained, we are going to save the American auto industr, while at the same time they are closing all the plants and laying off hundreds of thousands. My friends these jobs are not coming back. Who will be able to afford a college education anymore? The only people who can afford a college education now are the Elitists.

By: sjk303

sjk303 — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:02:35 +0000

So wall street executives get hundreds of millions in tax payer funded bonuses — because we cannot break a contract — but UAW workers have to give up wages, benefits, and pensions — because those contracts are impeding recovery. That’s some serious bullshit.

By: BooRadley

BooRadley — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:47:22 +0000

Thanks.

By: ubetchaiam

ubetchaiam — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:41:06 +0000

“and we will be running down the road to below 3rd world status.” ; we’re already there.

By: BearCountry

BearCountry — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:59:33 +0000

Since he has been in office, Obama has really not done more than a very few things that I felt were worthwhile. He is really turning into wIII and I fear that by the time he is finished his first four years, the neocons will see that he really is one of theirs and we will be running down the road to below 3rd world status. He speaks well, but every time it is decision time the little guy has to take it on the chin. The changes in the tax laws haven’t happened yet, and I don’t expect much from them.

By: timr

timr — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:57:36 +0000

The rich get richer and the rest of us, the actual worker bees, get fucked. The United Corporate States of America. What is good for the rich is good for the country. So sayth the rethuglicians.
The rethugs, the potty of NO, continue to be totally on the side of the rich. To them the working poor are just a bunch of lazy bastards because they only work 2 or 3 full time jobs at minimum wage-which the rethugs wish was back at $1 per hour.
What is left of the middle class, after 8 years of rethuglicism and bush, is rapidly going into the toilet because so many bought into the rethug corporate idea that we could borrow our way into riches.
The donald(trump) filing for bankruptcy once more, is a good example. Goes bankrupt with other peoples money while keeping his own money safe. Typical of rethug congresspersons thinking. Take bribes that they made legal, spend other peoples money, borrow like crazy to support 2 wars and massive tax cuts, and then when they are kicked to the curb, out of power, blame the dems for everything. And the MSM goes along with it. And yet the entire MSM still does not understand why they are losing money and viewers/readers.
Hopefully the people are starting to wake up and realize just what the rethugs actually did while in power and will never allow those crooks to gain power again. 1994-2006 rethug congress majority. 2001 to 2009, rethug prez. The neocons gain power and do their best to destroy the constitution. Have we learned the lesson? 1-rethug pols can not be trusted to act for the country, they act only for themselves.
2-legal bribery in congress is the fault of both parties, but the rethugs know how to use it more than the hapless dems
3-K street lobbyists-hereafter known as bagmen-continue to flourish, the dems are just as ready to stuff money in their pockets as the rethugs were.
4-we the people would much rather sit on our duffs and do nothing then bitch because the govt did nothing to bail us out of our own mistakes
5-the 21st century will be the century of China/India. Americas time in the sun, from 1940-2000 is over. Sure, we will attempt to say that we are still #1 but we are only #1 in military toys and in being a bully.
6-we are the most wasteful people on the planet.
We are also damn near the most arrogent people on the planet. Saying that we must continue to watch over the wogs(arabs) because they are as children and need adult supervision.
7-We are now attempting to replace England of the 19th century as the worlds overlord. Won’t happen, but due to our military, we will try.
Finally 8-Some of our generals seem to want a long war. A low grade war in which our high tech toys(see the military industrial complex) are useless and the “American way of War” can not and will not work.
What is the “American way of war” you ask? 1-use our manufacturing base to out produce war toys, 2-use an anvil when a hammer will do and use a hammer when a kind word will do. 3-always recon by fire. 4-call in A/C bomber strikes and artillery at the first sign of resistance. 5-insure that the combat tail is over 25 to 1. That is that it takes at least 25 support troops to keep one combat infantry troop in the field. 6-attempt to substitute high tech war toys for thinking and planning. 7-when caught in a morass due to bad policy by the civ leadership always blame everything on the generals. 8-allow the generals to lick the boots of the civ leadership and never ever state their opinion 9-when a rethug prez starts a war, always blame everything on the dem prez who has to clean up the mess. Thus endeth the rant