Tonight our guest is Bob Forrest, who some of you may know from his bands, Thelonious Monster and The Bicycle Thief, or his solo record A Sane Man Living in Insane Times, or from his appearances as a counselor (and the Director of Chemical Dependency at Las Encinas Hospital) on VH-1’s Sober House and Celebrity Rehab.
Bob is also something new for us here at Movie Night: He is actually the subject of a documentary, which must be a pretty weird feeling. Bob and the Monster is currently filming and set for completion at the end of this year and is directed by Keirdra Bahruth, who won the Grand Jury Prize at the Sundance Film Festival this year for producing the documentary We Live In Public.
Bob Forrest was legendary in Los Angeles long before he hit the small screen as the no BS, been-there-done-that-way-more-times-than-you drug counselor seen on Celebrity Rehab and Sober House. As frontman for Thelonius Monster, one of Los Angeles’ great post-punk bands, he wrote and sang with passion and intensity, landing on Capitol Records. A fixture on the club, party and after hours’ scenes Bob was as infamous for his drug and alcohol use as he was loved and adored for his creativity and bonhomie.
The first time I met Bob was on the side of the stage at a show at the Palace. I don’t recall who was playing, I only remember my friend, a long time pal of Bob’s, opening his coat so Bob, already pretty wasted, could duck down, hide and drink from a flask. Bob was scary then to me, even though he was very polite; that he was living up to his reputation as a notoriously out-of-control madman that night overrode his manners, and I just sort of numbly shook my head when he offered me a swig. He was really, really messed up. I thought he was just going to pass out right there.
Bob was also pretty frightening when he showed up very late at the same friend’s birthday party at a Hollywood restaurant a few months later, stumbling out of the passenger side of BMW driven by a glamorous woman and swaying through the parking lot. But he did apologize for being late. So for a long time that was my impression of Bob: Scary-high. But really, really polite.
It took Bob 35 stays in various rehabs, along with time in jail and a mental ward before he got clean. Through it all, his insight into the human condition deepened as he struggled with addiction and with himself, emerging on the other side in a classic tale of redemption and inspiration. When get finally got and stayed clean he put as much effort into that for himself and others as he once had done to stay high. His politeness became compassion tempered with wisdom as he dealt with addicts on a daily basis working to get them clean. And he is way more fun at parties now.
A comment by Bob inspired Dr. Drew Pinsky to develop Celebrity Rehab, and, later, Sober House. Bob wanted the public to see rehab wasn’t a cushy get-out-jail-free card for the rich and famous, but that it is in fact a serious matter of saving lives.
Through his transition from junkie to his job as Las Encinas Hospital’s Director of Chemical Dependency, Bob has kept writing, playing, recording and performing his songs. One of Bob’s coolest club events recently was Happy Hour Hootenany, every Friday night (early, home by 8:30!) for a couple months at the Silver Lake Lounge. Along with regular guests, Bob would play his own tunes—and a game called “human jukebox” where audience members would shout out song titles and Bob would perform them a cappella.
Along with his phenomenal knowledge of music and firsthand insight into addiction, treatment and domestic drug policy (you can listen to Bob’s podcasts on those subjects at his website, Bobforrestmusic.com), Bob has some very progressive views on war, peace, and politics (which are also on his website). Plus, along he’s the subject of a documentary, which brings us back to Movie Night.
So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Bob Forrest.
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As usual, please stay on topic…though tonight with Bob Forrest, the topics could be anything: Music, politics, drugs, being on a reality show about celebrities in rehab which shows how unglamorous drug addiction is, or being the subject of a documentary–in this case Bob and the Monster which will be released later this year.
Bob thank you so much for being here (and Nate, thank you for helping out with the typing, you’ll see I could use some help myself!). I have know you in real life for oh like 17 years, and thank you for making your music, staying alive and then helping others to do the same thing first with Musicians Assistance Program and now at Las Encinas and through the teevee.
Tell us a little about what it’s like to be the subject of a documentary, what that process is like and also what it’s like to deal with cameras everywhere first on Celeb Rehab and then on Sober House.
Hey Lisa, I’m Here.
Bob been a fan since 86″ any chance of new music w/ T monster?
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Hi BOB!!! so T Monster, new music? and tell us about the documentary Bob and the Monster–
Someday, I’m sure, most of us are still alive. Ironically, The Warped Tour called me today to see if we wanted to play some shows. Might be a fun break from the Hospital Administration work that I do now.
Bob — Why is it that for so many people (celebrity or not), it seems to require multiple times through rehab for them to make progress? Is it physical? It can’t be as simple as ‘made the decision to not get f**ked up anymore”.
warped-oh feshure–doooo eeet!
Also at some point ell us a little about what it’s like to be the subject of a documentary, what that process is like and also what it’s like to deal with cameras everywhere first on Celeb Rehab and then on Sober House.
You actually came up with idea for CR–can you explain your thoughts about it?
or should i say any new music soon?
Let me say…I only really respect the artists who say things artistly because they feel like they’re driven to. Not just because they have the ability. Some people make records that don’t need to exist.
I’d like to know what made Bob start rehab the first time and if he only finally “Got it” his last time through, or if he thinks he got something out of it each time, and just kept progressing to the point where he finally “got it” 100%.
What does Bob think about the Federal decriminalization of marijuana, good idea, bad idea? Also NY State repealing the Rockefeller Laws recently, does he think this will lead to relaxing of the Federal drug laws or not? Also what does Bob think of the move toward court-ordered treatment vs. jail for drug users?
When I have something to say I’ll Say it.
One thing I really appreciated about celeb rehab and sober house was that it showed the ugly non glam reality of theaddiction and the hope that can com form a supportive environment.
Bob you are so talented , i wish you would do more music then the tv shows,so Bob what is your view on marijuana , tax it and sell it to so called responsible adults?
It’s a weird thing reality, once you put a camera on it. It becomes another reality. It becomes strange. More so with the documentary than with the TV shows, on there, I’m more playing a drug counselor. With the documentary, it’s supposed to be me. It gets into what is the truth? I think, for the most part, It IS the truth. But a weird, knowing you’re being filmed truth.
Bob if you could pick your favorite album of all time what would it be?
Do you ever truly forget the camera is there on reality tv? Or are you always aware of it? Does that help or hinder the recovery process?
Marijuana is not the only drug I think should be decriminalized. The only way we’re going to get a handle on our societal ills is to criminalize criminal behaviour IE stealing, embezaling, harming others. Not adding to this list intoxicating your body with certain socially unacceptable substances.
When do you not have something to say, Bob?!! :) Has working on the TV shows had any influence at all on the songs you’re currently writing?
Bob whats the best way to stop drinking? and don’t tell me just to stop? :)
Bob i know your a big basketball fan , Kobe or Lebron MVP?
People get sober when influenced by other sober people. Every rehab I went to 24 to be exact, I met interesting peers, or staff members who had a concern and care for my well being that I didn’t have for myself. After awhile, this message of compassion starts to effect you. The entire 12 step society is based on this principal. It’s not the education that rehab gives you or the psychotherepy that helps as much or at all as much as other addicts connecting with you. By chance, I did this in the LA county jail with a guy named Domenic. We have both been sober ever since.
I used to say Exile On Main ST. for years, before that The Replacements LET IT Be, Dylan BLOOD ON THE TRACKS, it’s an ever changing list. Right now it’s Comes A Time by Neil Young.
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You do go through periods where you’re so focused on the group or interaction with Shelly or Drew that I forget.
Lebron all the way, are you kidding me? Kobe Bryant has killed my precious Lakers that I have loved since I was 5 years old. Doesn’t anybody remember how great Jerry West was? I would rather lose with Jerry West than win with Kobe Bryant.
Where the cameras there 24/7 or…
you have got to do the warped tour , i would get to see you in Ventura , like in 89′ Ventura theater back then
If you have a history of Alcohol abuse in your family it’s almost impossible just to stop. But if you’re just a heavy drinker wanting to get out of the habit, you need to refocus, find a passion for something else. Change a dead-end job or relationship. Alcoholism is one thing, hard drinking is another.
wow a kobe hater like me
I’m going to call them back after this is done!
There are many Kobe haters here….
Bob i just want to say thank you , your music has gotten me through so many hard times , my son is 21 soon , and i’ve been a single father , bob did you ever marry ?
I’ll tell you what’s weird, if you have listened to my songs they’re mostly about suffering, over coming suffering. (Drinking, Acting out with girls) Since my life has slowed down and I’ve found some sort of balance, I haven’t been able to express what that feels like. I write songs all the time, they just suck. But i’m going to keep trying. Some people right really good happy, healthy songs. My friend Anthony does a good job. Perry Farrell does a good job. I find it really difficult to write good songs when i’m up or peacefull, and I’ve been that way for a few years. I’ll get cancer or something and I’ll write some good songs.
Bob–my friend Mark Ebner just mentioned that you once sang the national anthem at a Clipers game on national teevee..he sez hi, btw
Welcome Bob. Good for you for cleaning up your drug habit! Not easy to do. ;-)
Bob i remember seeing you back in the day at Be bop records and anthony was sitting in front of me! you played with a friend of mines band , you had no guitar player that night because he got tickets to the Kings game, and i will always remember your story of waking up behind a Am-Pm using your pants as a pillow you said you new you had a problem …
Bob i always wanted you to do a cd with remakes, then it happened with wed. thank you , i got a list of 50 songs i would love to hear you sing any chance on doing more remakes?
Oh my god my son is 22. I don’t know if you ever heard that song MY BOY, but I wrote it when he was about 2 years old and I never married or lived with his mother. I thought he would grow up to hate me, but he hasn’t. I have even asked him why he doesn’t and he just doesn’t feel animosity about things. Kids are alot more sophisticated about things these days that my generation would have used as an excuse. My son is a great musician. Unbelievable song writer. And all-around good guy. The down side from his childhood I would say is self sabotage, stubborness combined with a type of apathy that I am unfamiliar with. But I love him, what are you going to do?
Hey Bob – I have listened to your songs (it’s Kenny here) and that’s why I asked that question. You’ve always written about your own experience especially the pain – now you’re helping others deal with theirs and on the shows in a public forum, isn’t that giving you a new perspective on the old subject of pain. I guess a more hopeful one?
Bob you said long ago “i wish i knew what the key to life was, do you know now?
One thing that has become apparent from dealing with friends and older kids of friends who have addictions is the difficulty if there is no insurance and you need to get somebody into a longer term rehab. There are waitng lists for county beds, but need outstrips resources for those who have no insurance.
Tell him I said hello. Yeah, I did and I screwed it up. I was too high on crack to remember the words. I think it’s a disgusting song to have to sit through before a sporting event. Bombs and guts and patriotism. I understand that there is a strain of perseverance in that song. But I am loyal to ideas and principals, not nation and cloth. So I don’t feel bad that I screwed up the national anthem. Loyalty to a song or a piece of cloth is a poor substitute for an enlightened society.
You’re reminding me that events happen and are documented in song much later in life sometimes. That pants around the ankels thing happened in New Orleans on tour and years later I wrote the song Tennis Shoes on my Bicycle Thief album about that night. Obviously it was very emotional experience for me.
It’s not the education that rehab gives you or the psychotherepy that helps as much or at all as much as other addicts connecting with you.
That’s a compelling comment about rehab. Have other people you know felt the same way? I guess education and therapy only works to the extent the individual takes the challenge to heart. Interesting.
Any new music you like?
Mark just shouted from the other room and said “please tell Bob I wasn’t telling that story to embarrass him, I know him to be a humble and enlightened individual.”
As your response shows–actually it shows a lot of things, and I agree about the piece of cloth, blood guts etc
Best live show you have ever seen?
Self love, Basketball, Good friends, Starbucks, Bob Dylan, The Sunset, The Sunrise, Chop Wood, Carry Water.
Mr. Forrest, just popping in to say that you’re doing some top work helping people to get clear of the wreckage in their lives…Kudos.
;>)
Do you stoop and watch american idol?
i went to nicotine anonymous for giving up smoking cigarettes.
the tips and the changes i made in my life were very important, but, bottom line, i’d be smoking today if my nicotine anonymous buddies weren’t there for me when i really wanted a cigarette.
calling them and having them talk with me for 45 minutes or an hour and a half or whatever it took til i felt the care and the love and knew in my bones that a cigarette wouldn’t help but that their care did was what made the biggest difference.
Oh, yeah tons. Fleet Foxes. Bon Iver. Elliot Smith (That’s kinda old though). The Mars Volta. Terrors. Lil Wayne, I love me some Lil Wayne.
chop wood and carry water???
Bob i saw you and Zander at a starbucks a few years back, why don’t you do that anymore no time? I loved it and i went with my son, still got the book on the constitution you gave me and read it!
Whats a regular evening like for you? sorry Bob i just got alot of questions .. just a huge fan
Good for you. I guess it’s the Support in support groups that makes the difference. Just know that people care and that there are other, important, things to do. All good.
Still talk to anyone from fishbone ?
GOOD Question, I’ve seen so many great concerts in my life. Kiss – Destroyer tour. Led Zeppelin (3 hours of Jimmy Page, Dope sick sitting in a chair) at Oakland Colliseum. The Replacements on the Let It Be tour, for which I got fired as RHCP roadie for going to instead of their show. (Spiritually worth it, financially one of the biggest mistakes of my life). Elliot Smith at the Troubadour. The Who at the forum in 79 with Kenny Jones drumming. The Mars Volta at the Greek theatre a couple of years ago. Radiohead Kid A tour at the Greek Theatre. Jane’s Addiction’s first gig ever at Power Tools. The Chili Peppers at Cathay De Grande. X at the Whisky. John Prine at the Wilshire theatre. Ryan Adams at the Viper Room. All the Coachellas. Carolina Chocolate Drops at Stagecoach last year. I could go on and on.
Bob, have you ever met an addict and just thought they weren’t going ot make it? Do you have hope for everyone?
Bob have you ever attened church ?
I haven’t been playing since back then. I’ve really been working as a counselor and therapist, hospital administrator. But I’ll be back.
The Hootenany Happy HOurs were awesome..I know folks would enjoy those–seeing a GREAT show and out by 8:30 wiht time for dinner, date..etc
oh yeah. I did a Sublime thing with them a couple of years ago, that really reminded me how fucking great they are. Angelo Moore is by far the greatest frontman to ever come out of Los Angeles. For reasons only the universe will understand Fishbone is not as big as U2. We bump into eachother from time to time, it’s like running into an old college buddy. We check in on our kids and wives and children, but it’s certainly not like it was back in the day.
I miss your music , but all the good you have done for so many people goes beyond that , :)
Hey Bob !!! Just wanted to say hey & let you know i almost have 15 months sober ! What you do matters….. no matter what. xoxox, your bakersfield girl.
If they’re breathing there’s a chance. Everyone had given up on me ever getting sober. And then one day, the whole thing started to make sense and it was something I wanted to do, not something I felt like I had to do. How this happens in somebody’s psychology is the mystery of the human condition. But do I loan drug addicts money? No. Do I believe anything they say? Rarely. I just hope and wait.
Yeah, That was the idea. The reason I don’t go out a lot to things I really want to see is because it is so damn late. I think more mature artists IE Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits, Neil Young, should play at 7 o’clock so we can get home to see the 10 o’clock news and bed by 12. I go to see my son sometimes and he doesn’t go on until 12 o’clock at night on a weekday. That’s for the young and energetic. Not for me.
I’m so excited about warped tour!!! Do you have an idea who would be on stage with you?
I agree –I am seeing Leonard Cohen next week, and I m planning Red Bull or a cuppa joe…
Do you still keep in touch with John Doe? X one of the greatest bands of all time i named my son Tyler X Koontz
this is an interview with Lisa and Ric to Bob
Art has a healing quality that can’t be matched by psychotherepy. The Clash. Bob Dylan. The Beatles. Ingmar Bergman. Jack Karoauc. Tolstoy. The Pre-Raphaelites. Picasso. Duchamp. These are healing things. But when these don’t work, when that’s not enough, people need the human contact. And I like talking. And I’m getting to be a good listener. So doing this comes kinda natural. As natural as art.
What do you think of the .62 sales tax added to cigs this wed. ?
Thelonious Monster would be me, Pete Weiss, Dix Denney, Dallas Don and Zander I believe.
You made my night!
Bob, has treatment changed since the 80s..I know there is still good reliance on 12 step/peer support and also newer ways to detox…I recall that boom in hospitals for teens circa 1984 to like 1994–the ads on teevee…Now it seems there are people with “field experience” working in treatment and sobriety, rather than just clinicians/theorists
Bob what is the hardest drug to give up?
yep, but i can’t think of anything to say and you’re doing a good job
Is Pete,Dix,Dallas, and Zander all clean?
If we’re going to tax people who make over 250,000$ a year, which i’m all for, I gotta say the sin tax is appropriate. Though I think it’s more of a sin to eat a big mac and as dangerous as smoking a cigarette. The older I get, the more I come to realize the world is not black and white like most people want to believe it is. It is all grey. In politics, to stay in business you have to say you’re against taxes, though you’re getting paid by tax dollars. This creates taxing on minority portions of the population like rich people, smokers, commuters and so on. You tax people’s big macs and you’re taxing the majority. So, though as many people die annually from obesity and obesity-related illness, lung cancer and cigarrettes are the population we will tax. Don’t you see, it fits the bullshit way we are governed.
11 minutes to go! I could ask you questions all night , but i goto bed early too, i got to look for work again tomorrow, lost my job after 18 years , tough…
bob, i saw your earlier comments about support, but how much of recovery is really about empowerment?
it seems to be the key to many things.
Bob thank you for taking the time to do this , for someone like me it means alot , can’t wait to see you and hear new music soon, Ric
Treatment has not changed much since the 80s but neuroscience has proven treatment modality to be correct but not for the reasons we thought. Contrary action alters the brain’s chemistry in addicts. So in the beginning they thought addicts were retaining information, and becoming educated about their disease, though this may play a small role, the addicts following direction IE what time to get up, what time to go to therepy, what time to eat, capitulating to this whole system, changes the brain’s functioning. The future of treatment in america is to figure out how to continue this following of direction, post rehab. It’s almost impossible financially to do. So the 12 step community is the most inexpensive and effective tool for this. 12 steps wins by default.
Oh drat..we are widinging down–Bob would you and Keidra come back when Bob and the Monster comes out later this year?
Thanks So much everybody, this was fun. Keep on the sunny side, I think the Carter family said that. Thanks to my friend Nate for typing, Thanks to Lisa,Peace and love to everyone. GO CAVALIERS
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Bob
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Bob have you become more computer smart lately? e mail me ricraam@yahoo.com peace and love yourself Ric
Oh yeah, sure.
Thank you all so much for participating. Bob–you so rock and I am so glad to know you and see you occasinally and best of all to know are there for so many peopel who need help, you are so generous with your time and insight–as you have shown us tonight. You freaking RULE
NIgh all, and if you’re new to FDL, hang out and get to know the site–my blog is La Figa here at FDL, and we have lots of great posts on FDL about politics, our country and the world…Thanks again!
‘NOVA!
why does it have to end
thank you lisa take care
mabel carter
here covered by emmylou and ricky scaggs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYnatyzIvBc
and if you read comments later, would like to hear what you think abt 83.
simple equation, and not stressed enough in recovery of all kinds.
even clutter, anger, etc. things like that. anything that decreases quality of life for someone. support leads to new habits and empowerment when you find out how to be who ‘you’ are, gifts, and rejuvenation from your own habits within that.