Edward Luce of the Financial Times, and Time Magazine Newsweek both have articles on the same story: liberal economists against the bail outs. Evan Thomas (in Newsweek) summarizes Krugman with this paragraph:
In his twice-a-week column and his blog, Conscience of a Liberal, he criticizes the Obama for trying to prop up a financial system that he regards as essentially a dead man walking. In conversation, he portrays Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and other top officials as, in effect, tools of Wall Street (a ridiculous charge, say Geithner defenders). These men and women have "no venality," Krugman hastened to say in an interview with NEWSWEEK. But they are suffering from "osmosis," from simply spending too much time around investment bankers and the like. In his Times column the day Geithner announced the details of the administration’s bank-rescue plan, Krugman described his "despair" that Obama "has apparently settled on a financial plan that, in essence, assumes that banks are fundamentally sound and that bankers know what they’re doing. It’s as if the president were determined to confirm the growing perception that he and his economic team are out of touch, that their economic vision is clouded by excessively close ties to Wall Street."
This touches on the populist anger which Time Magazine sees in the coming G-20 protests. But who is really in revolt? The press is portraying this the wrong way. What we are seeing globally is not a walk out of popular support against the system, but a lock out by the bankers from the system. Just like owners in the National Football League, the owners of the banking system see a stoppage of play as a problem that they can manage.
The reason for the unease about Krugman, Stiglitz, Sachs, Roubini, and others, goes deeper than "they might be right." It is farther than the fears about their rhetoric that Luce encapsulates:
Paul Krugman describes the toxic asset purchase plan as “cash for trash”. Jeffrey Sachs calls it “a thinly veiled attempt to transfer hundreds of billions of US taxpayer funds to the commercial banks”. Robert Reich depicts Tim Geithner, Treasury secretary, as a prisoner of Wall Street while Joe Stiglitz says the plan “amounts to robbery of the American people”.
Instead, the real fear is that it will change the terms of the debate, the famous "Overton Window." Right now, the political debate is between a cohesive and entrenched Republican bloc in the Senate, with Obama having to buy enough votes in no man’s land to get anything passed. And these votes have been expensive, with a few votes costing billions on the stimulus bill, and holding up Obama’s entire "down payment" approach to changing the US government’s spending priorities. As long as the debate is between subsidies à la Summers and massive tax cuts à la Barro the financial sector is not in any real position of concern. For them, mild regulation now, coupled with virtually unlimited free money, means merely having to wait out Obama.
The play we saw in the last two weeks from Geithner was to offer a truce and trade: the government would, in essence, bear all future risks in the fall of legacy assets, and loan the money for their purchase; in return the financial sector would accept greater regulation and an on going government stake in the financial system. The stock market rallied almost 21%, and Obama’s popularity, under pressure with the withering of the Dow, recovered. However, the financial world turned its nose up at the offer, and instead offers acceptance only of enough regulation to protect the bankers and the banks in future. Tax havens have growled that they will prevent any regime that would bring them under outside scrutiny of the estimated $7.3 trillion beyond the most cursory searches for tax cheats of the most obvious kind. They fear for their existence.
To understand what is really happening, it is useful to contrast this past generation with the generation before it. The era of modern liberalism was based on a straight forward reality: the need for mass mobilization to act as a bulwark against expanding communism from the Soviet Union. However bad a deal that big business might get from the AFL-CIO, or even the IRS, it would get a worse one from the USSR and KGB. If there had to be an alphabet soup, it was much better that it not be in Cyrillic. The Thatcher-Reagan moment represented a point where the demands of labor for higher wages, and the demands of capital for higher returns collided head on, and capital won, hands down. Since then almost all expansion in the developed economies has gone to capital and its profits.
This era has been the reverse: with banks and other forms of financial activity having the power to demand a greater and greater share of national wealth, and being the centerpiece of a bi-partisan agreement that the strength of the financial sector is the primary pillar of economic strength. America needed this as well for its military strength, since it was from the rest of the world that the US could borrow for military expansion through massive deficit spending that well outstripped both growth and inflation. The push against regulation is, then, this era’s version of wage-push inflation, the unacknowledged problem with basic policy. Banks had to get larger to stay in US hands rather than being bought up by foreign investors, and now we see that they also had to stay in the hands of a small globalized elite which would seek global returns, rather than reinvesting in US manufacturing and development. Americans were offered the ability to forget about the big picture, and not have to worry about learning Arabic.
However, if it were just the matter of a few economists declaring that it is wrong for the US to buy assets at dollars on the penny, it would not cause so much concern. The other reality is that the rest of the world as well wants greater regulation, and not merely to protect bankers, but their own dollar holdings. As Bloomberg’s Simon Kennedy, Matthew Benjamin, and John Rega report, there is a global convergence on the need for regulation, including hedge funds, private equity, and other elements of the "shadow banking system:"
“There is reason for optimism that progress toward stronger global regulation has begun,” says Daniel Price, who was President George W. Bush’s G-20 negotiator and is now senior partner for global issues at Sidley Austin LLP in Washington. “We’re beginning to see the outlines of a convergence.”
Agreement on a shared regulatory agenda would provide the G-20 summit with a measure of success even as leaders remain at odds over trade policy, fiscal stimulus and the status of the dollar. A joint regulatory approach is crucial to prevent investors from seeking out markets with the most permissive rules, setting off a race to the bottom as countries vie to attract capital.
The call for greater regulation unites China, possessor of the most vibrant economy in the developing world, and the U.S., possessor of the world’s largest economy. China’s central bank governor, Zhou Xiaochuan, challenged the West to fix flaws in financial supervision on March 26, the same day U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner outlined a broad initiative designed to do just that.
It is this global pressure for regulation that makes Krugman, Stiglitz, Sachs and others the focus of attention, because this global pressure goes far beyond merely Basel II and Sarbox tinkering with reporting requirements. Stiglitz was on a UN commission which outlined the need for an economic security council. Similar calls have come from financier George Soros, who has argued for using the IMF Special Drawing Rights, and not the dollar, as the measure of global risk. This creates a three, not two, part pressure. On one side are those, such as James K. Galbraith, arguing for a much weaker dollar, on the other a global consensus for a revaluation of the Asian currencies, ennunciated by Martin Wolf of the Financial Times, and among financiers for a strong US dollar in order to protect their trading advantage the world’s most powerful currency. This even as all three admit that in the long term, the end game of the present wave of bailouts and stimulus, is inflation.
Summers, Geithner, Romer and the rest of Obama’s economic team, by themselves, are a force that bankers can deal with, because they understand that Obama needs them, as much as they need him. A continued collapse in the Dow would wound Obama’s economic credibility and popular support: his short swoon in the polls coincided with the Dow’s fall, and his bounce back tracks its resurgence. However, the triple convergence of a reform minded administration, international pressure, and a growing populist revolt that has now grown elite credentials is a much larger hill to climb, and one that leads to the possibility of a scenario where they are not even the primary players in the shape of the new financial architecture. Obama’s team would swing from being on the left post of an Overton Window opposite Republican Hooverism and Wall Street conservatism, to the center post of a negotiation between internationalism and populism, and not just on regulation, but on diverse matter such as trade and stimulus as well. Hence, the present Mexican standoff is a better position than bankers would have if the debate were radically broadened. As we have seen the press repeatedly attempt to "left post" Obama’s first steps towards an agenda, both slowing down his progress and paving the way for a hard right Presidential successor, the financial world is attempting to push the purpose of regulation to "preventing another financial collapse" rather than creating a more equitable system.
The ultimate principle under debate is whether the present collapse is an irrational moment which is preventable with restrictions, or a recurring feature of the present financial system. Prof. Brad DeLong theorizes that the loss of institutional memory of the Great Depression has returned America to the normalcy of speculation and panic which began in 1825. More forcefully the coming of global warming and peak oil into the economic scene argues that what is going on is an entirely rational discounting of the value of the capital of the combustion era. In this view what is going on is not a momentary instability which can be blocked with technocratic fixes, but a fundamental feature of the financial landscape which must be met with larger and broader measures than simply leveraging TARP money, or which must be accepted as a periodic phenomenon.
This is why an obscure debate in Washington over how "systematic risk" to the financial system should be regulated is taking on larger proportions. One camp wants to assign the matter to Treasury and the Federal Reserve, with the FDIC doing clean up, another wants a different mechanism, arguing that Treasury and the Fed both have short term pressures to ignore instabilities, since these instabilities produce more growth on the way up, and more damage on the way down. Shades of Greenspan’s argument that bubbles should be left alone, and then dealt with only in the aftermath. For bankers, having one of their own at the Fed determining risk is very much like having private companies such determine credit ratings, it isn’t exactly the fox watching the chicken coop, but let’s say a very hungry dog.
This question, quis custodiet ispso custodies, is an old one. The shape of how it is to be debated is taking place, and the public, angry at the outcomes so far, is still stuck at the door, without even the ability to jump in to the deliberations and shout "Veto!" The major players are the holders of dollar instruments, both bankers and their major clients, the governments of the world which want a return to global financial driven capitalism without the political exposure, and an angry public which has not yet decided what it wants, but is unhappy with what it is getting.



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The financial world has no clue as to what and where things are going. I think the market plans will soon be filed in the appropriate facilities with the letters OBE written across the front of each plan
Thanks for this, Stirling. Good work.
Well said.
We need deployment of capital into new energy systems, while keeping oil production capitalized in the interim – without more oil coming online we can’t transition to new sources of energy. Discounting oil production isn’t happening on a short time horizon, more a generational one.
Krugman today, Greider last night on Moyers’ Journal saying the same thing….
and fyi Greider is backing a group called A New Way Forward (http://www.anewwayforward.org/demonstrations/) that is staging protests around the country on April 11th to call for Obama/Congress to reign in the banks… we must do this en masse to voice our collective outrage to have any hope (which I’ve pretty much given up) of relcaiming our democracy.
There’s a list of blogs on the website that support this action… perhaps FDL might like to join them?
I’m either going to Albuquerque or Phoenix to join the protests.
A New Way Forward as an embedded link for cut and paste impaired readers.
One more thing… excellent article by Simon Johnson (former chief economist with the IMF) putting this whole mess into perspective of other financial meltdowns around the world… very interesting read.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice
And, btw…. thanks for a great post Stirling… back to your regularly scheduled programming!
Thanks!
Maybe the Gathering of Eagles are available.
Wow. Great work, Stirling.
Fixed it for ya.
So, is this highlighting of Krugman, et al, by the MSM a good thing overall, or a way to put its own spin on what he actually has to say, thereby putting him in a box?
also (pointy-headed editor hat)
There appears to be an extra word here (or perhaps a few are missing):
(/pointy-headed editor hat).
FunnyDiva
The banksters and Obama’s team have no fundamental understanding of the huge populist storm brewing in a stew of fear and disappointment. The American people were told to expect change, and all we see is a corrupt and broken system being propped up by our government, run by elites.
Something’s gonna give, and it won’t be pretty or end well.
Your right. People have to get involved if we’re going to take our government back from those that would tax us into oblivion while trying to plug holes in the financial dike. That was a great interview with Greider on Moyers and after watching it, I came away with the same question. Have we become so apathetic to what our leaders do that we’re willing to be lead down the yellow brick road to financial ruin? We have to get involved with peaceful protest. Some friends are even considering not paying their taxes this year in protest to how our tax dollars are being thrown away. I don’t know if I would go that far, but a clear message must be sent to Washington. We’re mad as hell, and we’re not going to take it anymore. Daniel Hannen the Brisish MEP who eviscerated Gordon Brown verbally this week in the European Parliament fired the first shot. No wonder people took the the streets in London yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
Explain to me how they will figure out if this “taking back the government” is coming from the left or the right?
Wow, what a post!
When I think of ‘market’, I think ‘information… pricing mechanism’. Well, it’s not too hard to realize that in terms of information flows, the markets have been screwier and screwier for at least 30 years. Add offshore banking into the info-gaps, and it’s loony tunes.
Last week, Nomi Prins was a guest at FDL and I asked something along the lines of, “Am I nuts to think it’s just weird that we’re not seeing any prices with all this government activity??’ And my sense of her response was, “No. You are not nuts.”
So now, after all these months of bailouts — and now yet another ‘red flag’ in learning that Goldman Sachs has been bailed out dollar-to-dollar, full prices for their reckless gambles, I can say I am disgusted beyond patience.
Add in the offshore banking and I think about pension plans, about my kids having to work their asses off while basically for all we know the TARP money is being funneled through the Caymans to enrich the Medellin Cartel.
Oh, and now we’re supposed to take action along the Mexican border?!
I find myself stupified that things got THIS corrupt, THIS predatory, and THIS stupid in such a short historical period. But having worked around eCommerce a bit, it’s fairly easy to get a fuzzy mental image of oceans of money flowing at the speed of light along optic fibers.
The whole, ‘this is FDR’ again is bogus.
The whole, ‘this is the Depression again’ is also bogus.
We are in completely uncharted territory here.
It looks to me like: ‘rocks, scissors, paper’ — the banksters think that their financial clout will in the end command obeisance because everyone needs money. But when that money is used as a cudgel and a vacuum, it’s not ‘money’ any more — it’s just a morphed-up threat on super-steroids and at that point it seems to me that law enforcement and political guts have a lot more power in the complex equation.
Here’s hoping.
Plus ça “change,” plus c’est le même chose.
Until, not.
Like I’ve been saying:
Plus ca Change I can’t believe!
FunnyD
As many governments have found out over decades past, you cannot spend your way out of a recession. Pre WWII Germany was one of the best examples. In our case with tax payer funds entering the front door of AIG, BofA and Citi and then going out the back door to the likes of Goldman Sachs as well as foreign banks, one must ask just who are our politicians looking out for. It doesn’t seem to be the American tax payer. We are now on the hook for over 5.7 trillion and counting.
US spending on “New Deal” programs and WWII armaments effectively did spend our way out of a recession. Was WWII spending not really deficit spending because it was for a just war? Deficit spending is inflationary and isn’t always a good idea, but it is a good idea in our current economic situation.
War related spending is worse than paying one man to dig a hole and another to fill it in, as war destroys lives and industrial capital.
we’re definately going to run into some noe-con, koch industries driven propaganda
I actually heard a talk show host saying the new deal was a failure that extended the depression and saying it as if that is a fact.
he went on with;
“the LAST thing we need is throwing money at stoopid projects, what we need is smaller government epednitures not bigger ones”
which of course is the complete antithesis of reality but that’s where they are headed
this is a no-lose strategy for them by the way;
if the programs work they would have laid the groundwork for claiming the programs extended the depresion, if the programs don’t work (and they might not because they are too small), they will be able to say, “see?, you can’t grow government to solve the problem”
they can’t lose with this strategy and I have to say it’s brilliant, definately NOT a rove strategy but much more likely a koch brothers strategy
Good luck with the jobs creation stimulus package Obama.
Geithner shot it down.
What’s shameful about Geithner’s “Bad Assets Recourse Facility (BARF)” is it will suck up the great majority of private investment (with a promised 20% return), and starve manufacturing (jobs creation) which yields much less, say 10%.
What is universal is opportunism and greed to exploit these events.
And greed is so prevalent, that my thinking about Washington & New York is “Hopelessly Corrupt”.
Deficit spending no matter the reason cannot end well other than placing us into a hyper inflationary depression considering the trillions we are creating out of thin air. The mantra too big to fail is being used to deflect the more serious problems we face. A fundamentally broken financial system that is debt based rather than one that is backed by a productive populace with a currency that is back by hard assets. I have no doubt that Obama will get an earful at the upcoming G-20 and considering the two polar opposites that will be facing each other, I see little that will come out of the meeting itself.
hyper inflation, no, but inflation yes.
as soon as they can figure out how to get there.
Just to play devil’s advocate, if the press is trying to “left post” Obama’s agenda, why are Krugman and his cohorts getting so much mainstream media attention?
Actually even Pre-WW2 Germany showed that government spending could extricate one from a Depression. Of course, Germany took the approach that the spending needed to be applied to a military-industrial complex rather than social spending and non-military infrastructure. But much of Hitler’s appeal to German was that he did ease their despair after the Depression by increasing employment, instituting social welfare programs, and massive infrastructural programs. He also scapegoated immigrants and minorities, confiscated property, and redistributed their wealth and worked hand in hand with industrial barons and corporations.
Ditto Mussolini and Tojo’s Japan. Of course, their spending and industrial expansion also required massive resource acquisitions…primarily in energy and mineral resources that they didn’t have within their own borders. Thus the need to “capture” these through imperialistic programs like the East Asian Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere.
Geithner himself this morning when asked if he might have to go back to Congress for another handout sidestepped the question saying he had more tricks in his bag. Maybe they have already placed a rush order for more printing presses because at this point it seems doubtful there is anyone left in the world willing to lend to us. The Chinese seem to be sending that signal.
DIGG IS OPEN
(boy! the hoops they put you through to get an article DIGGed!)
And the point is? In both the case of Germany as well as Japan, things didn’t end well, millions are left dead and the world continues to build financial bubbles that eventually have to burst. I agree that using tax payer funds to create a sustainable work environment here makes sense, but what the administration is throwing into that mix as opposed to the trillions we’re spending bailing out banks, auto makers and insurance companies seems too little too late. The real unemployment figure is north of 12% as the Fed doesn’t carry the numbers of those who have lost jobs and given up looking as well as those who have lapsed beyond current benefits.
Life’s a bitch
then you die
you think there is more of a point than that?
Book Salon upstairs with Steven M. Teles and The Rise of the Conservative Legal Movement
Looking on the bright side, I guess we did get the bomb. Life may be a bitch, but I’d rather go out with a fight than rolling over with what we are having shoved down our throats.
Very good perspectives…how they get to inflation…and the next plan would be an interesting post Stirling. Thank you for these.
Am I just confused, or is the first part of the post about a NEWSWEEK article, not Time? I read the Newsweek cover story this morning, about Paul Krugman, online. Obama’s Nobel Headache
Shorter Bankster: My money is my money and your money is my money.
I find it hilarious that I’ve got an ad for BofA in the box to the right of this post.
Excuse my while I go click it, so that BofA helps to fund FDL.
A VERY EXCELLENT post Stirling; wish I had written it.
This “For them, mild regulation now, coupled with virtually unlimited free money, means merely having to wait out Obama.” Exactly and why his actions or lack thereof are remarkable given his desire to have a second term and indicating in speeches that the ‘problems might take longer than 4 years to resolve’.
And what’s even more ironic is that by simply following historical and existing procedure and law, none of the Summers,Geithner,Romer financial engineering would be necessary and Obama could focus on actual stimulus.
And now Merkel has apparently shot down the U.S./U.K. orientation of spending to end the ‘recession’ and brought back the focus to regulation which the S/G/R/O team doesn’t want to emphasize, much less be truly meaningful.(Evidence being the push for the FED to be the ’systemic regulator’)
About this:”hyper inflation, no, but inflation yes.” ; 10 per cent inflation per year doesn’t qualify as ‘hyper-inflation’, but sure as hell plays havoc with personal income and how that is used.
Stirling wrote:
I’m not keen on the use of the word “equitable” since a system which is stable enough over time will probably produce the kinds of results you would call “equitable”, but it isn’t the economic goal. The goal is a strong system which can endure ups and downs and has no major weaknesses. In this there is an inevitable need for individuals & families to be stronger financially than they have been for many years.
Those who were satisfied with the system up to the summer of ‘08 weren’t concerned that household debt was increasing and household incomes weren’t. Their idea was flawed (perhaps out of greed and/or malice) and now has to be fixed.
At a recent discussion Larry Summers was asked about this kind of thing and he said unionization in some environments could cause undue unemployment, but that our current environment wasn’t of that kind. I don’t know whether he is used to thinking of establishing a system or if he prefers to look at numbers reflecting sectors of the economy.
Seeing where a system is weak and imagining a better overall system may not be his strength. It probably isn’t taught to economists. Still, Summers is very knowledgeable along with Geithner and Romer. Usually a team is stronger than it’s parts.
Stirling wrote:
Don’t forget the more present devaluation caused by international trade with China and other low-worker-cost places. That has a downward influence here. I wouldn’t expect the ‘combustion era’ effects to be seen until the Green Revolution really kicks in big and we start seeing a lot more of it on the street and in buildings.
You say a lot of private investment will be diverted and starve manufacturing, but I hear regularly on teevee that it’s ’sitting on the sidelines’ and banks aren’t lending, so jobs are already being starved.
Geithner’s plan hopes to push that private capital into banks (in exchange for the toxic assets), so banks will have actual capital to either lend or use as collateral to borrow.
Deficit spending in the real economy can be a problem, but what is going on now is temporary deficit spending to get the real economy going again. Hyper-inflation is a risk and it’s one I’ve heard Bernanke discuss. It’s not being ignored. I agree a fundamentally sound system has to be based on real productivity. Ours isn’t currently as productive as it could be…on many fronts: finance, energy, health care, competition across the board and international trade. Cutting government spending doesn’t help us get to any of those.
Great post, Stirling.