when you torture to get “information” you get less information, you don’t prevent events you cause them, you don’t frighten the oposition you invigortate them and justify their cause

on the other hand, the cheney/rumsfeld purpose for their policies of torture were not to gain information, they knew there were better, more accurate and actionable methods, their purpose was perpetuating unrest for uneding war

a smidge off topic but I had to do it

For those who don’t, here’s a pre-publication version, but it’s likely to be taken down soon: http://www.newamerica.net/publ…..cracy_9823

I myself have been republican, have been liberal, have been democrat, have been hawk and dove

as I’ve learned new information my idiology changes

power corupts, as the democrats gain power they WILL be corrupted and unless we can keep them honest I WILL switch parties again

it is not a party thing for most liberals, it’s an agenda thing

I heartedly disagree with your point, differant types of people migrate to differant parties and my obersvation tells me those that migrate toward the republican party are authoritarian in nature, they for the most part are followers, not individualistic with their ideology, they think we must have father figures and leaders, the reverse is true for most liberals

it’s not equal, us vs them, not one bit when it comes to political affiliation

I’ve read many on the foreign policy area, but haven’t gotten to Emerald City yet, or Algeria (own both).

Particularly interested in doing more reading on law of unintended outcome. It’s a big problem in economics so I’m quite familiar with it, but have never read anything theoretical (or even applied) on it.