(Please welcome Jerry Stahl, author of Permanent Midnight and Pain Killers in the comments — jh)
We don’t generally do fiction here on the FDL Book Salon, but somehow it seems appropriate that we should break the rules with Jerry because, well….my history with Jerry is all about rule breaking.
Jerry and I met some time in the mid nineties when our mutual friend Nancie Ferguson gave me a copy of Jerry’s autobiography, Permanent Midnight. His personal story managed to perfectly capture the absurdity of life in Hollywood, a place where guys from Harvard are grossly overpaid to sit around and refine with the intensity of Talmudic scholars the next week’s episode of Alf. Becoming a heroin addict seems a rational and appropriate response.
We made a movie of the book, which started as a sex story with David Duchovney and wound up a comedy with Ben Stiller. It became self-reflexive in the extreme, but that’s a story for another day. Our lives have continued to intersect in a way that safely puts it in "long strange trip" territory, and I count Jerry among the most gifted people I’ve been lucky enough to know.
If I were going to describe Jerry to the uninitiated I’d probably say he’s the Matt Taibbi of fiction, or perhaps TBogg several shades darker. His work is characterized by that unique ability to find humor right at the moment when the door drops and the rope tightens.
Pain Killers takes us into the world of Manny Rupert, former cop turned private investigator-cum-serial substance abuser who falls in love at first sight with a woman who just murdered her husband by putting Drano and crushed lightbulbs in his Lucky Charms. He tampers with the evidence to clear her and is summarily kicked off the force, then she leaves him because his anger issues are making her bulimic. And that’s the back story.
Unable to pay his mortgage and soon to be evicted, Manny takes a job at San Quentin arranged for him by a mysterious intruder who wants to ascertain if a 97 year-old inmate is really Joseph Mengele. He finds himself living in a camel-backed trailer at the prison, drinking the boxed wine of its recently expired ex-tenant, at least until the smell drives him wretching outside and he discovers the WWI morphine stashed underneath.
There aren’t a lot of people brave enough or talented enough to mine those depths of pain and craziness for insight into the human condition, but there is — as always — something about Jerry’s work that seems deeply right for the moment. I was reading the scene in Pain Killers when Manny is being operated on by Mengele at the same time I was reading Simon Johnson’s article in the Atlantic on the triumph of the American oligarchs. Somehow they are both evocative of our unique moment in history. Johnson compares it to the twilight of failed emerging market economies, when the government inevitably steps in to bail out its oligarchs. The difference, he says, is that those runs always ends when the money is gone. But the US is "rich beyond measure, and blessed with the exorbitant privilege of paying its foreign debts in its own currency, which it can print." In other words, we’re in uncharted territory.
It felt weirdly parallel to watch Jerry find redeption in teenage Asian amputee porn, skinheads pumping iron with gallon water bottles and inmates trapped in the prison’s revolving door:
Free for six hours? My fucking hero! Something about luck that bad gives a man hope. I couldn’t explain it, but I already liked him.
It’s impossible to say how people will look back a hundred years from now and assess which work of art most perfectly conveyed the absurdity of our era, with its scoundrels and its gluttony and its insanity. But Jerry’s work comes as close as anything I know. Pain Killers may seem extreme, but these are extreme times. It’s conjured from a reckless, deranged, self-immolating will not only to survive but to consciously wrestle with the despair and the insanity all around us. And to laugh. Did I say laugh? Yes, laugh.
To read this book is to plant yourself before the demon, pull your gums back over your teeth and howl.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome my friend Jerry Stahl.



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Jerry, Welcome to the Lake.
Jane, Thank you for Hosting this Book Salon.
Welcome, Jerry. Good to have you here. Are you in LA?
Thanks, Jane. It’s an honor to be here.
Yes, I just got back to Los Angeles. Was just in New York. When we had an economy, book tours were grand events, with multi-city appearances. Now for me, at least, we’re sort of at two, two-and-a-half.
This is what, book five? Is it getting any easier?
Good afternoon Jerry.
I have not had the chance to read your book but do you have any special process you go through to writer fiction?
Is your fiction informed by your “day job?”
So Jane, I’m curious – how did producing difficult, controversial Hollywood movies prepare you for your current status as FireDogLaker?
That is a good question — I noticed a lot of crime detail that seemed like it came off of CSI. In a good way. Have you picked up a lot on the Hollywood expert circuit?
Absolutely. Great question. I could make more assembly tennis shoes in Seoul than writing novels – not to brag – so I do indeed have a day job. Which, lately, involves writing scripts for movies. You probably won’t see these movies, because they are generally in development for 73 years, but that, thanks for asking, is what I do.
If you can deal with the craziness of Hollywood, politics is a cake walk. I think it actually prepares you quite well.
The only difference is that the whores work for a lot less.
Would that I had a bevy of experts at my disposal. I probably pick up as much as the next mook from being a rampant insomniac and sitting through seriously twisted programs on Discovery or reading obscure online articles at four in the morning. I’m not sure if Proust had the same process, but there you are.
Hello, Jerry, good to meet you.
Where do they work for less – in Hollywood, or DC? Seems like the whores in Washington spend a lot more time with actual whores – I’m thinking David Vitter, etc… But I guess they feel comfortable around their own kind. Not to judge.
Great to meet you, Kathryn. I really appreciate you taking time to write in.
Yeah I saw that Clive Owen movie the other day, International? It had the “Euro banker as villain.” I figured it had probably been in development since the Cold War and they just got lucky with the timing.
I was also wondering if the folks you meet throughout the day job wind up as special candidates to be the model for “victims” (allowing you to vent potential violent fantasies) :})
Re: Crazy times – i hope we’ve turned the corner. Spain, at least, is thinking of holding war crime trials.
Jane, I was so impressed with your recent MS/NBC appearances, and am such a mega-fan of Matt Taibbi, with whom you appeared, as well. Without individuals like you, I wonder sometimes if the mainstream media would smother us all in some kind of pablum made in Lawrence Summers secret lab and spread all over the New York Times.
You can’t go wrong, though, with Euro-anything as villain. America loves to blame anybody but themselves for whatever weird catastrophe is raining down.
Jeez, this book is scary-good. Absolutely terrifying but I simply can’t stay away. I’ve had it in the house three days and I’m only halfway through. I’m not sure I’ve ever read anything quite so specifically evocative of addiction, need and crazy-love.
Ah, memories.
I’m just meeting Cathy and her pipe-fighting friends, and I gotta say, Mr Stahl, you certainly know of what you write.
I also really like the Lincoln trash compactor.
Anyway, my only question for you and Jane is: any chance of getting the band together again for Pain Killers?
Jane has built something awesome here. She’s been part of the turnaround, i swear
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Another stellar- if squirm-inducing question. I do not actually fantasize about wreaking violence on Hollywood types. I think eventually their heads are going to explode from some toxic combo of Pilates-and-Bluetooth overdose, so, in the immortal words of Elvis Costello, “I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused…. “
No, I meant what the average girl at a Ted Fields party gets vs. what it costs to buy your average member of the House Financial Services Committee. I mean, really. You can buy the average congressperson for about $20,000 a year. The amounts are shockingly low.
Wow, two of my favorite writers, jane and jerry, on one page! Jerry, Painkillers seems like absurdist comedy at its bleakest–but then I laughed out loud reading Permanent Midnight and I Fatty–and Killer Instinct actually too
Alternatively, I suppose — you, sir, could bring your talents to bear on the whores in Washington, just as Jane has.
In terms of Kathryn’s comment about Jane building something awesome, I do indeed feel like a footnote to history here. Being part of Jane’s pre-blog existence – it’s like having known Obama when he was still hitting the chronic. It really is inspiring.
Hi Jerry, welcome to the Lake. A Larry Summers pablum sounds awful. I bet your books are great fun to read. I will buy one right away.
Hadn’t realized Congressmen were bending over, so to speak, for twenty grand. Seeing some of those guys in C-Span, I’d pay money just to keep them fully clothed. But if they go for that cheap, I might save up and buy one just to keep around the house.
Welcome, Jerry!
I have to say, Jane has the most interesting and varied collection of friends.
As a grossly underpaid, overeducated Lutheran pastor who parses religious texts in my day job and relaxes in my spare time by doing the same with legal opinions, news stories, and political speeches here at FDL and next door at EW, this passage leaped out at me and grabbed me by the throat. I have no trouble whatsoever seeing this picture in my mind.
Thanks, Jane.
Yep, Matt is a frequent guest here and he’s finally getting his due. He’s also hitting his stride — in the banking crisis I think he’s finally found a crime equal to his talents.
What can I say, it’s bringing out the best in all of us.
Thank you. I hope they’re fun. The reaction tends to be from either end of the extreme-o spectrum: From “it changed my life” to “I had to throw the book away and spray my brain with Raid.” Not to brag. That’s just how it goes when you don’t play it down the middle. Nobody’s going to mistake the novel for “Marley & Me.” Though, I confess, my original title, “Mengele & Me,” was considered a little too warm and fuzzy, so it got changed at the last minute.
I have been trying to coax Jerry into our world for a while, but alas without much luck. I’m still holding out hope.
Also, Senior Adjacent, your blog on aging is delightfully grim, much like Bad Liver, a fave column of mine for ye olden daze of the LA Reader–your jaundiced eye and deftly twisted phrases are very inspriational
Re the whores in Washington, more calling them out as ridiculous and laughable would be great! Jerry, you have to join the crew here and Matt Taibbi in this mission – especially when there is easy material like the GOP budget.
Yes, Jane, you may be right, This kind of crisis does bring out something great. Though, I wonder, as we careen into the ODY – Obama Disappointment Years – whether the despair felt under Bush will morph into something even more profound as it slowly dawns on people, ‘Wait a second, Elvis left the building, but it feels like he’s still here… ‘ Not that that could ever happen, of course.
For fuck’s sake, if you’re the Financial Services Roundtable you can buy ‘em all and line ‘em up like pinballs and the next thing you know, the printing presses are rolling off twelve trillion dollars with your name on ‘em.
The ROI is insanely high.
Teddy,
I don’t remember being coaxed, but re-coax, when you have time. Maybe I’m ready to step up.
Jerry, DC is filled with doors and ropes like these . . .
Maybe it’s all about the table. I’ve always sat at square tables, and haven’t made nearly that kind of money. I need to get a round one.
Jerry, did you base the character Manny on any particular person, amalgamation of other characters or personal experience?
Yes, while I can only gawk from afar, it does seem like Washington is more byzantine than the basement party room in The Tower of London.
In terms of who the character is based on, what can I say? You write about what you know, more or less. One of the greatest novelists I ever met, Bruce Jay Friedman (part of the Black Humor movement in the 60s and 70s) once told me, “If you write a sentence that makes you cringe, keep going… ” I guess I’ve been trying to rip that cringe off my face ever since.
I think that is very true and I feel myself and others coming to emotional terms with something we’ve known intellectually for a while — Bush may have been a pathalogical child and a crook, but he was more the manifestation of our problems than their master. Many things we hoped would disappear with him, alas, are systemic and not so easily dislodged.
BTF – stay here! Jerry may join the team!!
Halfway through, I must say I’m wondering if Manny’s ex-wife is real, especially since you named her Tina.
Jane, that’s profound. I wrote above that i thought there was a turnaround in process, but every time i think that, the evil has just gone underground.
Those grinning banksters on the White House driveway the day after they wined and dined Geithner did it for me. We are, um, fucked, as Matt wrote.
Um Peter, those are boors and dopes…..
Very true about Bush. He was the face of our psycho-political nightmare, but now that he’s gone, we’re left with the curtains open and the nakedly corrupt and rotting body-politic in full view. Obama came in saying all the right things, and, well, here we are… I have a 19 year old daughter who canvassed all over the Midwest for Obama and was over the moon when he won. Felt like a part of something, etc… And I’m trying not to give in to that Uh-oh feeling when she sees that one man, no matter how great he seems, may not have the power to what needs to be done. Things may not be fixable. And then what? We carve up Larry Summers and eat him?
People have compared the book to Ellroy but while your work explores absurdity as the logical progression of the moment, he seems to stumble into it by accident. It’s just sort of who he is.
No, we have his (O’s) back. Do what you do best.
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My dream is fulfilled.
I’m sorry Teddy, you lost me. How does naming a character Tina make her possibly real? The reality in novels, in my experience, is usually emotional. I haven’t actually been married to anybody named Tina. Though maybe in a blackout, twenty years ago, I don’t know… I do remember once waking up in Reno with one sock and a pink suitcase with a “T” on it on the floor beside me. But this is a political site and I feel it best to leave my personal life out of it.
Highly recommend reading the book, BTW. As Teddy will attest, it’s excellent. And a laugh-out-loud page turner:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/03…..n-killers/
Some of us had our uh-oh moment the very night Obama was elected, as we watched our civil right to marry stripped from us in California. I knew then that the next four (I really doubt eight) years were going to be an exercise in disappointment — ruled by another cruel cult of personality.
Comparisons are always a little dicey. Ellroy’s great, but much more about the coppiness of it all. I like to think I’m coming at the world from the standpoint of the old adage, ‘life is a tragedy to those who feel and a comedy to those who think…”
Teddy, you may be right. In a way politics is like any other form of storytelling, it involves the willing suspension of disbelief. The difference is, with politics, those involved want you to think it’s not a story – it’s the truth. So here we are, at Obama Story-time. With every character more or less being the Big Bad Wolf in a nice suit.
(Sorry, I meant I am doubting Tina’s actual reality as a person in the book itself, not whether she’s a real person outside the book. Tina = crank.)
I’m just steeling myself for a Dallas dream sequence moment, or a Sopranos blackout, or a Battlestar Galactica lovely earth ending. Popular culture has taught me not to expect honesty from my story-tellers.
Jeez, I’m already in the middle of about a dozen books and you just sold me on another. Actually, you sold me on two — now I’m thinking I should pick up “Permanent Midnight” as well.
If we were to leave our personal lives out of it we’d have nothing to put on the site.
That’s the problem of living at a time when the rational, appropriate response to events is deeply felt personal outrage and a sense of having been violated. In a more measured time we might be able to sit back and pretend that it’s possible to be a dispassionate, objective observer of events, but right now that’s a kabuki being enacted by those who are coming out on top in a rigged game. Pull back the mask and they’re mostly a pack of seething jackals, or just too stupid to know they’ve been duped.
Jane, I don’t disagree with you. The real fun part, and Matt knows this better than anybody, is parsing exactly how “fucked” we are – and what that fucking will look like? Sometimes what looks like progress is really trading one flavor of hell for another. Will we be fucked better by Obama than Bush? Will there be any kind of happy ending for people not in hedge fund-adjacent professions?
Steve, You might enjoy Permanent Midnight. You could dip into the movie Jane produced and see what you think. I was a different kind of asshole in the book than in the movie – but why get technical?
Hmmm, Permanent Midnight may be one of the best books I’ve ever read. So, I’d say…go for it.
Jane, you’re such an optimist! I don’t even know if it’s jackals doing a kabuki dance. What scares me is that these jim-jims actually believe their own bullshit.
I truly believe by calling them out for what they are, educating others, and letting the jackals know that we know, is really helping our side. This new connecting technology we are on right now is a game changer. And you guys know how to use it. I wouldn’t give up, roll over, and say we’re screwed.
I imagine once our personal stories go through the Hollywood sausage factory, the movie versions of most of us would only be vaguely recognizable.
On the plus side, when I think of how I cringe seeing video of myself, maybe a decent actor could play a me that I’d actually want to watch.
I’m coming to believe that those doing the true fucking are not named either Bush or Obama. Bush was malevolent and I don’t think that Obama is. There are a just more things that aren’t subject to the control of anyone who can get to be President of the United States than I may have heretofore thought.
In other words, the straight line that runs from the early days of Reagan to our present problems goes through both parties. And it seems to be accelerating, not slowing down.
Steve,
Well, there’s no thrill like seeing the worse moments of your lives portrayed by celebrities nine feet high. And I ended up being weirdly affected by the movie – until I remember it was about me, and then I had to breathe into a paper bag. But Jane did a great job producing and Ben did a great job, for better or worse, portraying the skeek whom the movie was about.
When GOP Senator Charles Grassley (R-Losing It) responds to a Democratic committee chairman’s statement (”Oh, you are good!”) with a crack like “That’s what your wife said” and the entire political/media establishment bends over backwards to ensure we rubes know that he was referring to a speech the chairman’s wife complimented two days previously…. when it is very clear to anyone who watches the clip that Grassley was saying the phrase “That’s what your wife said” in the common, misogynistic vernacular: that’s when I know the entire fish is rotted.
I vividly recall Nelson Rockefeller’s death and how hard everyone worked to cover up exactly how and and on top of whom he croaked. It seems like that kind of spin has become full-time and constant in DeeCee because the stakes are higher and the marks — us citizens — are paying a little closer attention.
I mean, really — David Vitter is STILL in the United States Senate? What must he have to hold over the rest of them?
But back to the book. Mengele? Not where most people would mine for teh funny. Where’d that come from?
Heh, I dunno. so i am buying credit default swaps on options to hedge all possible outcomes. And I am hoping jane will finance the same because it is a super superb investment!!
Well, reading Family of Secrets will give anyone the willies on that order.
they not only believe their own bullshit, they think it smells good and romantic.
So why Mengele?
Deep in the Bush years I was thrashing around trying to find a cure for the nausea induced by what the country was doing in our name. I stumbled upon the fact that the Rockefeller Foundation paid for many of the most heinous “medical experiments” (ie torture of children) performed at Auschwitz.
This was kind of the chocolatey center for me – the dark truth of a sense that I had but had never been able to articulate: that countries don’t matter, borders are just a con… the over-arching movement of US & European & global history, as evidenced in WW2 and beyond, was White Man keeping the world for White Men. WHether trying to keep the so-called ‘race’ pure or keep the planet and its people as their own private plunder. W’s Grandfather’s trafficking with Nazis is old news… but it’s not like the dynamic ended when Prescott died.
You know, Hitler had Henry Ford’s portrait over his desk. And 29 states in America legalized sterilization of so-called “inferior” species of human. From there it was a short leap to Death Camps. America lit the match, and Hitler turned on the ovens. Not exactly a laff riot – but then, when you look at the particulars, at the horrifically deluded minds of those involved… there is indeed a dark humor to be minded. As one survivor told me, “If we live in tragedy, they win… If we can find comedy, we do.”
I haven’t finished it yet, but I understand it really got everyone going.
Wow, bmaz, investment tips on Firedoglake – now I’ve seen everything! If I understood what you were talking about and had disposable income to invest, I’d give it a try.
Jane, we NEED Jerry to step up and comment – like i said, call them out for ridicule or shaming.
I liked it that you used Mengele to remind everyone about our Austrian governor’s dad’s wartime service.
Thanks for breaking your tradition, Jane. I’ve got a new author! I’m looking forward to Jerry’s books. Thanks for the introduction.
Teddy,
Arnold’s Pop is the least of it. What we need to understand are the secret history of alliances that define us and essentially rule our live. Something as obvious as the moon shot for example – which is discussed in the novel – was arranged via Operation Paperclip, wherein Nazi War Criminals could be brought over and “made American” if they could be of use in our new battle against our recent allies, the Russians. So that Werner von Braun, who literally ran a slave camp while building V-2 rockets to bomb the shit out of London, was suddenly embraced on our shores, became JFK’s new best friend, put a man on the moon and was re-invented as a national hero. Which must have been beyond galling for the survivors or relatives of those who didn’t survive the labor camps he ran back in the Fatherland. Why this isn’t taught in grade schools is beyond me…
We live in a country founded on genocide – don’t touch that smallpox blanket! – so the continuing legacy of Death by America being propagated in the world should be no big surprise.
What I try to do, in Pain Killers, is give life to the Horror – and occasionally the Hora – via one semi-fucked up detective who never even felt very Jewish until he was given the task of getting in to San Quentin and seeing if nonagenarian with peroxide hair saying he was Mengele actually was. As my grandfather used to say, “If you ever forget you’re a Jew, a gentle will remind you.”
There’s also a large section on Abstinence Education, as embodied by a by a born-again prostitute given to excited outbursts such as “My vagina is a gift from Jesus!” Something I witnessed at a convention of Christian Sex Workers I stumbled on while researching the book.
If you can’t make it through my book, check out Chris Hedges’ American Fascists, from which I gleaned much material I didn’t actually go out and report on myself. Another great book to reference is “War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America’s Campaign to Create A Master Race” and “IBM and the Holocaust” , both by the amazing journalist Edwin Black.
By the way, in case I was unclear, people should buy and read this book.
I remember when I was at USC Ellroy would show up at my house in the middle of the night in a convertible. We’d go to the 7-11 and I’d buy him eight cups of coffee then he’d drive around all night. “This is where they found the Black Dahlia…this is where Lana Turner stabbed Johnny Stompanato…this is where they found my mom’s body.” The “coppiness” I think was his way of imposing intellectual order on the insanity that all his characters inevitably feel subject to.
Conversely, your characters are always weird masters of their own little corner of the universe, and your protagonists seem to be struggling to weave them all together into a manageable reality that keeps busting out in random directions and refuses to be disciplined into any kind of consistency or order.
What did Franklin say? “A republic, if you can keep it.” I always feel like your characters are battling the fiends who would control the game by always being willing to break it.
By the way Jane, I finally had a chance to read your intro here today, and being called ‘The Matt Taibbi of Fiction” is just about the greatest compliment I’ve ever received. I can’t think of anybody writing today who combines the requisite rage and brains necessary to capture the twisted zeitgeist we seem to inhabit. But enough about me.
There’s also a large section on Abstinence Education, as embodied by a by a born-again prostitute given to excited outbursts such as “My vagina is a gift from Jesus!” Something I witnessed at a convention of Christian Sex Workers I stumbled on while researching the book.
I’m pretty certain that when I encounter this in the book, I would have just assumed it was fiction.
I really shouldn’t be surprised by the crazies anymore.
My greatest Ellroy story is when some old lady came up to him at a signing and said she loved LA Confidential. Ellroy said “Book or movie?” She said, kind of meekly, “movie.” And Ellroy boomed something on the order of, “Then what good are you? Buy the book or get the fuck out of here.” I’m paraphrasing, of course. He may have said “Get the book” not buy it.
As for characters battling fiends, I know, in my case at least, the demons never go away. I think the trick is to make friends with the fiends. I don’t trust anybody who hasn’t been to hell. (And don’t generally write about them. But, thanks to America’s all new non-stop plunge into Third World-dom, it looks like I’m going to have a lot of new friends.
We had Chris on with American Fascists. I’ll take a look at Edwin Black.
People in our country, if I may be so bold as to generalize, display a curious tendency to believe fiction is fact and fact is fiction. I think it’s how we were raised. I mean, the mainstream media at this point makes novels nearly irrelevant. All the best fiction writers seem to write for CNN or the New York Times. And let’s not even talk about Fox. They at least march the truth of their own dementia right out front. It’s the venues that look “reasonable” and “measured” that will lead you over the fucking cliff.
I’m in the book, I’m a dead hooker on p. 275. Didn’t make it into the movie.
And nobody’s book (as you well know) makes it onto the screen in the way they envision, but he has a special gripe. They threw out the main story and shot a subplot. Which made a sprawling book manageable as a movie, but still constitutes (as I recall) about 10 or 15% of it at best.
A dead hooker on page 275? Really?
You must be busting your buttons!
Having made a living writing soon-to-be-never-made movies for Hollywood to pay for the expensive habit of writing novels and putting a kid through college, I would never gripe. When you see how things are done – or not done – it’s a miracle cocktail napkins get made, let alone full-length movies.
Hey, Fox News filed the FOIA that just got 10,000 pages of redacted Treasury documents released, where they talk about Neel Kashkari being ready to wig out. Of course they’re only pissed because it’s all a zero sum game to them and they’re not the ones who get to do the stealing, but it’s a symbol of how badly things are broken when you’re having to rely on them (or Bloomberg or Business Week) to get what information you can.
Well, the rumor is that Franklin said, “A republic, madame, if you can keep it.”
Put the emphasis on “you” — perhaps Ben was speaking to all the women currently trying valiantly to save our republic from its current thieving patrimony.
It’s absolutely baffling how so much economic activity can be generated by not making a product. What an odd place Hollywood must be.
We ladies and our gentlemen friends, that is.
I stand corrected. Fox may well emerge as the bastion of truth in a landscape of obfuscation and dread. Kashkari is another character you couldn’t make up. I mean at what point did these financial freaks start having names like Madoff and Kashkari? It’s like Charles Dickens has started writing our history as its happening. I was just sad that, during the campaign, no one wrote about McCain’s Navy nickname, ‘Taint-hound.’ It’s pretty unsavory, yet somehow, lent him a charm he was otherwise lacking.
I’d also recommend giving TBogg a gander. He is perhaps not so well known outside the blog world, but equally…how would you say…acerbic?
Oh no, Teddy, besides movies & TV (which are the least of it) they do make a product – they generate despair and uncertainty on the part of those who put their hearts and brains on the line to do something – and end up with nothing. The factories are all always running. But it’s hard to factor that into the GNP. That’s why I wish they could come with some kind of NTI – National Torment Index.
TBogg’s great. Another voice in the wilderness that can get you through…
Taint Hound? I’ve heard others, but what prompted that one?
Taint-hound? My guess is you don’t want to know. Some things are better left unspoken. Or else you should ask Cindy.
So true. I think one of the long-term consequences of the Bush years (and the real-time coverage thereof by the corporate media) will be a new level of cynicism and outright incredulity from the public. People have been made aware of the extent to which their traditional channels of information aren’t reflective of reality. The die-off of newspapers isn’t because of the economic climate.
Gadzooks!
Yeah if you’ve ever sat down with say a network exec you’ll find that they’re happy in proportion to how unbearably stupid they are, or how well they’ve been able to unplug their brains from any kind of moral faculty. That’s where conspicuous consumption and narcissism come in really handy. For ordinary people, as mentioned previously, drug addiction is a perfectly reasonable coping mechanism.
You don’t know about Fucking McCain?
Okay, that probably doesn’t come off right in print on a blog, but with the right inflection, it works…..
When you’re raised on lies you don’t know what the truth tastes like. Maybe that’s a bit of what’s going on to, Steve. My last book, I Fatty, about Fatty Arbukle, talked about the invention of Tabloid Media on the back of a fabricated scandal by Randolph Hearst – who famously invented America into war a few years earlier. Americans seems to need to believe what makes them feel what they need to feel. Just another addiction.
Newspapers couldn’t save themselves by printing ‘reality,’ because reality isn’t reality any more. It’s something else entirely. And as you say, blogs are giving a name to it. Thank God.
‘Moral faculty’ and ‘network exec’ in the same sentence. Jane, you never fail to impress! What you say is absolutely true – in show biz, ignorance isn’t just bliss, it’s a job requirement.
My own experience is that such individuals are ‘pronoids.’ Which is to say, they think everybody’s talking about them behind their back – and saying great things!
Exactly. That is why you are needed.
As we come to the end of this Book Salon,
Jerry, Thank you very much for stopping by the Lake and spending the afternoon with us discussing your new book.
Jane, Thank you for Hosting this Book Salon.
Everyone, if you haven’t bought Jerry’s book yet, here is a link.
Thanks all.
My last book, I Fatty, about Fatty Arbukle, talked about the invention of Tabloid Media on the back of a fabricated scandal by Randolph Hearst – who famously invented America into war a few years earlier. Americans seems to need to believe what makes them feel what they need to feel. Just another addiction.
And now you’ve sold me on a third book.
I don’t know where I’m going to cram another bookcase in this place, but clearly I’m going to need one.
ooops, i was going to reply to bmaz and reconsidered…..
Big thanks, Jerry and Jane!
Jerry needs to let Kindle publish. I just emailed Amazon asking if they would stock a Kindle with all the books i have bought thru the Amazon link here at a greatly reduced rate. So many books and buy them over again?
Thanks for having me. It was a blast.
Thanks, Jerry – hope to see you around.
(stock at a greatly reduced rated all the books i have already bought)
Jerry thanks so much for being here. It’s been great to — I dunno, virtually “hand out” with you again. Does my heart good to know you’re doing well.
And one more plug — if you’re thinking about buying the book, I highly recommend it. Very, very entertaining. And much more.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0060506652?tag=firedoglake-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0060506652&adid=1NNFAJN0Z5V9F2XTM27J&
Jerry needs to let Kindle publish. I just emailed Amazon asking if they would stock a Kindle with all the books i have bought thru the Amazon link here at a greatly reduced rate. So many books and buy them over again?
Hm, I never thought of that. I don’t have a Kindle, but yours is a great idea — let’s hope Amazon considers your suggestion.
Thanks for a wild ride, Jerry.
Do buy his book, firepups — Mothers Day approaches! What a wonderful gift it would make.
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I’ll buy a Kindle if they do allow that, but not otherwise. (K is also good for certain magazines so you dont have to keep boxes of them around the house)
Jerry is funny man.
Super funny. And sick.