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Early Morning Swim

By: Blue Texan Friday March 27, 2009 4:45 am

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  • GOP releases hilarious joke "budget."
  • Cue the wingnut fight.
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  • Getting bad in North Dakota.
  • Plus, a levee failure.
  • Funny, they don’t like being called godless heathens.
  • Real plumbers vs. "Joe."
  • Tough love for progressives.
  • Stay classy, Glenn.

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73 Responses to “Early Morning Swim”

foothillsmike March 27th, 2009 at 4:54 am
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Good Morning BT, Finally quit snowing overnight. Have 16 to 18 inches to shovel if the wind has stopped.
Sure seems like the rethugs stepped in it with their “budget”

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jayt March 27th, 2009 at 4:59 am
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from the piece linked at “Funny, they don’t like being called godless heathens”:

the staffer said, adding that Palin’s remarks “cause you to question not only your loyalty but her judgment as a leader.”

Some people catch on……………………………………………….. quick.

ok – not so quick.

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solai March 27th, 2009 at 5:08 am
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Watching MoJoe. I hate when people use 20 words to say something when 5 will do. Thus, Peggy Noonan drives me fucking nuts.
Now, off to the shower. See all later.

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goldstandard March 27th, 2009 at 5:08 am
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Another warning from the Chinese this morning one of our largest lien holders to get out financial house in order.

Sadly, the lack of a Republican plan coupled with the bailout moves that Obama is allowing by getting the Federal Reserve to print up monopoly money will be our undoing. These sentiments from MEP Hannan of England should serve as a warning to us all. If this video rings true to our situation about bailing out banks, auto makers and insurance companies in the US, it might just be time to get on the horn to your Congressman or Senator and just tell them that there has to be a better way out of this rather than trying to print our way into oblivion. All this will do is enslave our children and their great grand children into permanent and everlasting debt.

We the tax payer have bailed out the banks and the automakers and we’re left with the tab which can only mean a lower standard of living for all of us. Mr. Hannan makes a very credible case.
Watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

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foothillsmike March 27th, 2009 at 5:11 am
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Lawdy, the wingnuts have invaded my tv. Kristol on C-span; Nooner on Joe. I think I am going to make some coffee.

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Beerfart Liberal March 27th, 2009 at 5:11 am
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Palin. Jeez. This woman was such an incompetent fuck-up people like Kathleen Parker and ohers of her ilk were calling for her to get lost. McCain and hios people copntinued to defend her even when it was clear to everyone that the woman was a featherweight politically and intellectually. nobody would even heard of this dumb-as-dogshit trash yahoo if it wasn’t for the people she’s attacking now. what a jerk. please lady, go. a. way.

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KayInMaine March 27th, 2009 at 5:14 am
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The right wingers hate President Obama so much that they’re willing to sacrifice their pride to show it. Bah hahahahahaha! I’m sorry, but yesterday’s presser was a hoot! Even Contessa Brewer of MSNBC was pissed and was on a tirade for the rest of the day every time she appeared on tv.

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nonplussed March 27th, 2009 at 5:14 am
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Kristol is being his normal stupid self. God he makes me ill, but it is like watching a train wreck. But he really, really likes himself.

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Waccamaw March 27th, 2009 at 5:16 am
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Given the fact that most of my TV news viewing these days consists of Keef, Rachel and Amy, who knows how the rest of the pundits “reported” those idjits thugs and their big, woop-t-doo-doo “budget” (if it got any mention at all). I *do* know if dims had trotted out that waste of paper, we’d be hearing the TV hairheads laughing about it for the next month.

Look for the thugs to put a few figures in print when it’s too late to make any kind of comparison…….and then they’ll keep crowing about how many trillions of dollars their wonderful budget could have saved the ‘merican taxpayer.

SPIT!

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Beerfart Liberal March 27th, 2009 at 5:16 am
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Asked whether Joe the Plumber had any particular knowledge or expertise about EFCA that might explain the decision to enlist him, Burke said that he was being enlisted to provide a “grassroots perspective” and “the working perspective” on the measure.

Pressed on whether Joe the Plumber has any particular claim to being a spokesperson on the issue, Burke replied that “he represents the American worker.”

OK. Let’s try it again.
Asked whether Joe the Plumber had any particular knowledge or expertise about EFCA that might explain the decision to enlist him…..

You gotta be fuckin’ kidding me.

Pressed on whether Joe the Plumber has any particular claim to being a spokesperson on the issue,

He’s an insulting douchebag. To say he represents the American worker is to say the american worker is a cretin. Thank God this guy is not representative.

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:16 am
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In response to goldstandard @ 4

there has to be a better way

What is it?

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:16 am
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Of course, Democrats refused to agree that Republicans had a better solution. Indeed, they could barely contain their snickering. Because the Republican budget proposal was lacking the sine qua non of Washington budget documents, that is, tables with line items of numbers showing revenue and deficit projections etc.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/n…..s_rid.html

Forget calling the GOp the party of no ideas they don’t even have numbers! Oh how they must wish for the days before blogs could call out their lies instantly in the old days the MSM never called them on anything.

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Beerfart Liberal March 27th, 2009 at 5:18 am
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Jindal follows Obama. GOP presents an alternative to Obama’s…

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. pisser.

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nonplussed March 27th, 2009 at 5:19 am
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Why does Kristol grin about everything? He seems to find almost everything terribly amusing, like some private joke. He smiles at the most inappropriate times.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:20 am
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In response to goldstandard @ 4

Hey we could cut spending how much could cutting the expense of 2 wars save us? Legalizing and taxing Pot? Long term savings National Healthcare? We have options it may not be enough but we are not taking them…yet I am hopeful.

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:23 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 15

Obama’s Afghan surge will add $2 billion/month to spending.

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KayInMaine March 27th, 2009 at 5:23 am
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Glenn Beck 6 months from now:

“No one could have predicted that “We Surround Them” actually meant we would be surrounded by the whole country and blown out like a candle”

LOL

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Waccamaw March 27th, 2009 at 5:23 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 12

The Party of No……Numbers.

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foothillsmike March 27th, 2009 at 5:25 am
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The only number in the rethug “budget” is a 10% tax reduction for the rich. Can’t wait to see how they lower the deficit.

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Waccamaw March 27th, 2009 at 5:26 am
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In response to nonplussed @ 14

Same thing with bachmann when she was on WJ yesterday.

Does anybody know if that nutjob was ever in beauty pageants because she sure acts like she was.

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:27 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 19

10% tax reduction for the rich

Isn’t it 10 percentage points? That would be a 29% reduction in taxes.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:28 am
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 6

Kathleen Parker calling someone else out as a light weight and uninformed? Well anyone who blows it with Katie Couric on a question about what magazines they read…was not Vetted by John McCain.
Despite his Presidential Campaigns claims to have done so.
I want to know who prepared Sarah for that interview and who prepared Sarah for the next press interview.
I thought Sarah learned how to Deal with the press at Newts GOPAC school for future GOP political candidates?
Just what do they teach their? I need a laugh!

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foothillsmike March 27th, 2009 at 5:29 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 21

From the current 35% to 25 % is what I heard.

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KayInMaine March 27th, 2009 at 5:30 am
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The wingers who are making $25,000/year want the uber wealthy to survive! Nice. Idiots.

Okay, off to work. Have a great day everyone!

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goldstandard March 27th, 2009 at 5:30 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 11

Returning to sound money principals along with a long list of other factors from regulators that need to regulate rather than looking the other way to putting a stop to elected officials who chair committies that have received deals from the very people their writing laws for.
As Roubini and others have said, all we are doing is delaying in inevitable. Nationalize those banks that are insolvent and segregate the bad assets which the stock and bod holders can take a haircut on rather than the tax payer.
Absorb the Fed into the Treasury and begin opening new Treasury banks with dollars back by hard assets such as gold and silver as we had prior to 1933. Kennedy tried it again in 1960 when we had silver certificates in circulation as well as Federal reserve notes. Bu trying to print our way out of this swamp has never and will never work other than enslaving our society in debt for generations to come while lowering our standard of living.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:31 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 16

See get rid of that get al the troops back home save money fix America Charity begins at home tell the troops to fix New Orleans. Win /Win

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jayt March 27th, 2009 at 5:32 am
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In response to nonplussed @ 14

Why does Kristol grin about everything? He seems to find almost everything terribly amusing, like some private joke.

Because he’s an essentially unopposed sociopath?

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:33 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 23

That’s what I heard too. That would be a 29% reduction in taxes.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:35 am
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In response to Waccamaw @ 18

The party of Spit Balls is that the best they have to throw at us a budget with no numbers. A Joe who is not a Joe? A Plumber who is not a Plumber?
Dear GOP my advice is if thats all you got Stay Down!
Cripes! This is embarrassing we like Obama here and we got better material than that.

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:36 am
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In response to goldstandard @ 25

dollars back by hard assets such as gold and silver as we had prior to 1933.

I’ve never understood why some people want the U.S. economy held hostage to mineral miners, like South Africa.

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SouthernDragon March 27th, 2009 at 5:37 am
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In response to nonplussed @ 14

That’s why I call him Sardonicus.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:37 am
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In response to jayt @ 27

Drugs do not forget the Drugs! Happy Pills washed down with Cool Aid!

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foothillsmike March 27th, 2009 at 5:38 am
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One of my Dad’s favorite expressions was that an empty wagon rattles the most. Kristol is sure rattling on

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jayt March 27th, 2009 at 5:38 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 16

Obama’s Afghan surge will add $2 billion/month to spending.

frankly, I’m more worried about the casualty rate – if what Number One Son is hearing is true, the “plan” is going to cost a *lot* of American lives.

And no – I’m not getting more specific until I see corroboration.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:39 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 30

Wait what if we sold all the gold sitting in Fort Knox doing nothing right now but gathering dust? Is that enough to help lower our debt significantly?

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:39 am
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In response to jayt @ 34

Afghanistan is a dangerous place, made more so by the presence of foreign troops.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:40 am
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In response to jayt @ 34

Why any details? curious not doubting

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:42 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 35

I don’t know. Will try to find out how much there is. BTW, there’s more gold in the basement of the NY-FRB (right there on Maiden Lane in Manhattan) than in Fort Knox. It belongs to all sorts of countries and they move the signs around when one country sells to another. You can see it on a tour, or at least you used to be able to before 9/11. Haven’t tried it since.

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nonplussed March 27th, 2009 at 5:45 am
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“Afghanistan is a dangerous place, made more so by the presence of foreign troops.”

It is not known as “The graveyard of Empires” for no reason. It shall quickly turn into a morass and we will come to rue our involvement there.

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Beerfart Liberal March 27th, 2009 at 5:45 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 22

i think she’s got balls crticizng tehse people since her fuck ups were her own fault. their mistake was not that they didn’t p[repare her, not that they underminded her but that they picked her in the first place.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:47 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 38

Thanks for looking I wonder if its enough though? Owning Gold doesn’t do us much good unless we are on the gold standard so we should either sell it or go back on the gold standard. Unless someone has a better idea.

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jayt March 27th, 2009 at 5:47 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 32

Drugs do not forget the Drugs!

I doubt that Kristol needs any.

the prospect of never-ending war and death-orgies most likely keep him in a state of euphoria, and sporting a constant hard-on.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:50 am
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 40

GOP rule number 1 GOPers never make a mistake
GOP Rule number 2 blame everyone else for your mistakes ( Jews, the Press, Dark people, poor People)

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foothillsmike March 27th, 2009 at 5:51 am
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In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 40

Blaming others for your own screw ups is straight out of the rethug playbook.

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:51 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 41

The calculation turns out to be beyond my multitasking capabilities. Things like know what troy ounces means, etc. Turns out there’s plenty of conspiracy theories about the gold being gone: one in the 1960s to Jerusalem, another that Reagan sold it. (That’s what comes up first if you google “How much gold in Fort Knox.) So it seems to be a mine field and I don’t have the interest to figure it out. The short answer would seem to be “no.”

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jayt March 27th, 2009 at 5:51 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 37

not sure as to accuracy – also not sure whether he’s supposed to have the information, or to tell me about it.

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SouthernDragon March 27th, 2009 at 5:51 am
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In response to nonplussed @ 39

I’m continually amazed at these warmongers who willingly ignore history to further their own agenda. When Kristol’s dream of empire as described in Rebuilding America’s Defenses began to unravel the neocons refused to recognize the reality staring them in the face. But then it’s not their kids gettin’ blown up.

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goldstandard March 27th, 2009 at 5:52 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 30

That’s like saying the world is being held hostage by countries that mine uranium. It can have good uses or evil ones. Ultimately it’s what mankind decides to do with a particular resource. Gold and silver have been the only real money mankind has know for over five thousand years and that paradigm was killed off when the Rockefeller’s, Kuhnes, Lobes and Warburgs decided to create a cental bank where they could create all the funny money they wanted in order to expand the country at a faster rate.
The middle east is going back to a gold backed currency in Jan 2010 and china, Russia and many other countries are now calling for an end to dollar hegemony. This is what happens when you live on debt, through the handouts of your trading partners. The problem is that sooner or later the bill comes due.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:52 am
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In response to jayt @ 42

Him and Cheney must watch the CIA torture videos together.

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 5:55 am
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In response to goldstandard @ 48

The economy is not based on uranium, so your analogy fails.

Good luck to the ME if they want a gold backed currency. Could you give a link to that? I haven’t seen it.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:55 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 45

You tried but still its an idea to put out there and if Reagan sold that gold well the Ron Paul Gold bring back the Gold Standard wing of the GOP might be up for grabs.
Obama leaking that information now could weaken the GOP.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 5:55 am
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In response to jayt @ 46

Gotcha

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goldstandard March 27th, 2009 at 6:03 am
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Here’s a great article on the subject.

http://news.goldseek.com/Golde…..169622.php

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 6:05 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 50

We can’t go back to the gold standard we have to much debt not enough gold. Back when Nixon was in office we left the gold standard because we did not have enough gold to pay our bills.
We have lots more debt now. Even if we had the gold how would going to a gold standard fix our debt?
We owe more than we have so all our gold would go to our creditors leaving us nothing.
Unless we somehow got even more Gold than we owe?
Given we owe several trillion dollars…is their enough gold on the planet to pay our National Debt?
I think I heard their is a cubic mile of Gold on earth at todays prices….nope to early for math.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 6:08 am
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The answer is unanswerable due to the fact that it is unknown. The total collection of all the gold that has been found on Earth would make a cube of 40 feet. If you know where to find more, feel free to leave me information in my message area.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What…..d_on_earth

Ok I could be wrong

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goldstandard March 27th, 2009 at 6:08 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 50

The analogy doesn’t fail. Just as with uranium gold and silver can be used for good or the opposite. Ask yourself this question. Why does the rest of the world say gold is worth nearly $1,000 an ounce when the US Congress says our gold holdings are only worth $42.50 an ounce? This is intentionally done by Congress because this is the way they keep the perception up that the dollar is strong. The only problem being, that the more dollars we print the less they are worth.
Sooner or later the weight of change will bring us back to some standard where real assets will have to back the dollar again. If not, I fail to see why countries like China would continue giving us the dollars to survive our current life style.

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goldstandard March 27th, 2009 at 6:10 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 54

Again this is a misperception. It isn’t the amount of physical gold there is, it is what the world says it is worth. Nixon made the mistake of breaking the last link to the gold standard in 1971 because bankers couldn’t expand their balance sheets as fast as they wanted to when he could have ordered Congress to raise golds value while absorbing the continuous flow of dollars that were being created out of thin air.

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 6:12 am
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In response to goldstandard @ 56

It’s not a Q of using it for good or bad. That is irrelevant to basing your economy on something.

BTW there were plenty of bubbles and crashes when the currencies were based on “hard” assets.

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nonplussed March 27th, 2009 at 6:14 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 54

According to the January issue of the National Geographic (It took me a bit to locte it) the total amount of gold ever mined is 161,000 Tons, enough to fill two Olympic Pools. 50% has been extracted in the last 50 Years.

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eCAHNomics March 27th, 2009 at 6:17 am
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In response to nonplussed @ 59

National Geographic should be reliable. The first thing I discover when I googled is that, when the subject is gold, the amount of garbage on the internet about it is ginormous. I didn’t want to try to try to separate the reliable from the garbage.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 6:18 am
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THERE IS gold in the oceans, but not as much as people used to think, according to two geologists in the US. Kelly Kenison-Falkner and John Edmond, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, have analysed samples from some of the world’s oceans. They find that in the Atlantic and north Pacific there is just 1 gram of gold for every 100 million tonnes of sea water

http://www.newscientist.com/ar…..rich-.html

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 6:21 am
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In response to goldstandard @ 57

Ok what price does Gold have to get too to pay all our debts assuming you can find out what we have in fort knox?
Heck just paying 5% of our debt would be a good start.

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nonplussed March 27th, 2009 at 6:22 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 60

The math shows that an Olympic sized pool contains 2500 Steres (Cubic meters), so all that gold amounts to 5000 Cubic Meters, which is a surprisingly small amount. They said the lion’s share of it is found in jewelry.

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nonplussed March 27th, 2009 at 6:25 am
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Here is the link to that gold story, it is quite interesting.

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ThingsComeUndone March 27th, 2009 at 6:30 am
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“The public loves Joe the Plumber,” the spokesperson, Mary Ellen Burke, claimed to me. “They see him as a role model

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/26/plumber-efca/

I want to see poll numbers on this! I want to see poll numbers of how many Americans think Joe is a real plumber I want state by state poll numbers crosslinked with education, income level and fox news vs Daily show viewership.
Again I need a laugh.

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goldstandard March 27th, 2009 at 6:41 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 62

Based on current inflation adjusted figures, gold should be well over $2,000 per ounce. Here’s a link that can answer your questions regarding gold. I hope you take the time to read it when you have the time. You’ll come to understand that the fight between the dollar ( fiat ) and real money ( gold ) is one about control of society through increasing debt.

http://news.goldseek.com/Golde…..446540.php

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zapkitty March 27th, 2009 at 7:32 am
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The Palin link provided didn’t work for me so here’s a link from Politico’s front page…

http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..-staffers/

… the difference apparently being that it was filed on the 27th…

… time traveling blog posts…

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Route66 March 27th, 2009 at 10:28 am
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I think Kristol’s grin is a self conciense act to cover up his stupidity of which he is aware. He gets an Oscar for stupid. All he needs is a dunce cap.

Lindy

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texasaggie March 27th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
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The CNN link about the people not liking being called godless heathens doesn’t work. What now?

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egregious March 27th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
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The CNN link may have gone to the headlines page, the story isn’t at the top anymore.

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Margot March 27th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
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New CNN link (I hope this works!)

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cinnamonape March 27th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 51

Gold…not the US dollar! Michelle Bachmann “Turner Diary” in Overdrive will be none too happy to hear this!

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cinnamonape March 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
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In response to nonplussed @ 63

5000 cubic meters would be 50 meters x 10 meters x 10 meters in volume. Half a football field in length, three stories high, and the world record in the long jump (or the distance between two hurdles in the 110m hurdles) wide. That’s piddlin’ nothing.

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