Jonah Goldberg thinks liberals are fascists bent on totalitarianism. Also, he thinks they’re paranoid conspiracy theorists. Shazam!
But I just have a hard time listening to liberals grow suddenly high-brow and Ivy League serious about the paranoid style of the American Right. Where were these people for the last eight years when abject paranoid hysteria consumed the left flank of liberalism and threatened to capsize the entire enterprise?
Which is a good point; for eight long years, liberals were all like "wars based on bullshit are stupid," "Bush is going to wreck the economy," "torture is bad," "global warming is real" — all of which was just plain wacky.
Goldberg is of course being a moron here; for one thing, he’s going after this George Packer article because "the liberal establishment, starting with Hofstadter and Adorno, have perfected the art of proclaiming paranoia or populism they don’t like as ‘right-wing’ when — often, but not always — there’s nothing right-wing about it." Which mostly goes to show that Goldberg was as usual too bovine to manage reading to the end of the article, where Packer reminds us that during the Depression FDR was worried about populism from the (drumroll) Left (d’oh! Nice thesis, Jonah) in the person of Huey Long, and that nowadays "The popular passions that nearly made Long a dictator, though, are still with us, and they could whip left, right, or both simultaneously." Goldberg, what a maroon.
But there’s a wider issue with this Goldbergian crap, one which Jesse gets to, making the key point that since "conservatism" is so utterly vapid, paranoia is the conservative’s default state: "Having such a reactionary, formless ideology makes you inherently paranoid, and drastically more so than the left." Hehindeed.
Predictably enough, Jonah obligingly proves this in his very silly follow-up, where he does one of his favorite stupid Jonah tricks and complains that wicked, confused liberals "nitpick my examples" (i.e., "refute my evidence") and so he’s going to come up with more! more! more! wacky fun examples of liberal "conspiracies." And the best part here is that all of his new examples are moronic (as they’re not "conspiracies," but at worst name-calling), trivial, or… paranoid. My favorite of these is one that achieves the trifecta, namely the charge that, most wickedly, Michael Moore (who is fat) "sat in Jimmy Carter’s box at the 2004 Democratic Convention." Which is a standard Grave and Serious Charge of the right blogosphere, one that has the virtue of being both highly misleading (see here) and also hilarious, insofar as Jonah Goldberg denouncing Michael Moore, or anyone, really, for being a dishonest ideologue is quite the edifying spectacle (or not). What, Jonah thinks he’s people now?
Likewise, Jonah sniffing at Hillary Rodham Clinton for referencing a "vast right-wing conspiracy" is just plain wonderful, because there is absolutely no question that there was such a conspiracy. He concludes with a wonderfully flatulent declamation:
The point is that when liberals and leftists spout conspiracy theories and paranoid delusions — as they have for generations now — it’s written off by the liberal establishment as either an isolated incident, or an understandable exaggeration or, simply, the truth and therefore not a conspiracy theory. And: It Is Annoying.
Hee hee. The truth certainly is annoying to Jonah Goldberg, something we’ve known for quite some time. As it is to conservatives generally. Which is, again, exactly the point.




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Thers! Yay!
“Jonah sniffing at Hillary…”
EWWWW…
Priceless!
Hey Thers!
What a pantload.
Digg.Thers.Here.
Douchebag
Thersday!
Jonah Goldberg, proving daily that either John Stuart Mill was far too generous or that through unnatural selection they have eliminated the exceptions over the intervening generations.
Doughy pantload, we hardly knew ye.
Condolences
BTW, Thers, what you got against cabbages that you would associate them with Pantload? You being Irish on top of it.
Conservatism tends to be based on fear, fear of change (read: progress), fear of the unknown, of secular science, of foreigners, minorities, of any element of nature that can’t be shot from the air and possibly mounted (not necessarily in that order).
Anyway, the underlying motive seems to be that we should return to the utopia of the 1950s.
Evening, evening.
Dugg. But I hope I don’t thing of doughload every time I eat cabbage! (It’s the only way to eat tacos.)
You do have better conversations with a cabbage.
I would vote for returning to 1950s income tax rates, but otherwise I am not too thrilled with the era.
They are smarter and have better personalities.
hey thers
I took one look at the head of cabbage and I knew Thers was about to make slaw.
Evening.
Evening, Thers.
Well, there’s a certain irony here. The Progressives have been worried for 8 years about the fascist tendencies of Bush, Cheney, Rove & Co. and how they have passed laws and regulations enhancing the ”Unitary Executive.” Now that Obama has become president, and has become the ”Unitary Executive,” defending Bush DOJ positions such as State Secrets in recent court cases, the Right is becoming agitated. In a sense, this could be a good thing if the result is for Congress to assert its rightful place in the balance of powers, and to reverse the legislation passed with the help of Democrats enhancing the power of the Unitary Executive. (You want a list? Look at Glenn Greenwald’s Dirty Dozen Laws, in his January 30, 2008 column, What ”bipartisanship” in Washington means, http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..tml– sorry, link icon not working.)
Bob in HI
Conservatives love the ’50s because almost everybody knew their place, commies (or suspected commies) on the blacklist, blacks on the OTHER side of town or the back of the bus, gays WAY back in the closet or in prison. Good times… for suburban whites without conscience, i.e. the Republican ideal.
Hey, did what happened with Enron ever get classified a conspiracy?
One of the things that I’ve found out about the right is that they love to accuse us of stuff that they are doing.
Does it count as a conspiracy that two or three families and companies fund multiple institutions to push a very specific conservative agenda? Do they have to break the law for it to count? Does it matter that all the think tanks have never made money for their sponsors? Doesn’t that seem like bad business to invest in companies that don’t generate any revenue?
Of course we all know the real revenue is long term, but it would be fund to ask some Heritage Foundation people. How much money did you make last year from selling your books and holding your conferences? Could you survive on that if you didn’t constantly get handout and grants from rich people who let you lose money every year? Aren’t you ever going to stand on your own two feet and turn a profit? Let the market decide!
You forgot all the women were barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and nobody talked back to fat old white guys. The only time and place in the history of the earth where Jonah and Limpballs could get any respect.
That’s straight out of Atwater/Rove 101, accuse your opponents of your own greatest failings.
There is respect and then
there is
R – E – S – P – E – C – T.
Doughy and Limpy will never get the real deal.
Projection is the Gooper modus operandi. Of course, they really do believe that everyone else is just as selfish, sick, and twisted as they are.
Those two would be happy with an inflatable doll (or a 12 year old Dominican rent boy).
When the Pill hit the market in ‘64 society really went to hell. How dare Science give women that much power. Note how many conservatives STILL oppose contraception and sex ed, trying to put the genie back in the bottle and return to those glory days before women had a choice.
Yep.
Oh, my. Hank Paulson to write a tell-all.
I doubt if those inflatables are rated for more than 250 lbs and are vulnerable to pinpricks. Either way it puts the kibosh on Rush’s game.
Yes. but having to pay for respect is just so humiliating.
exactly
I dispute the “well meaning” description. Cravenly self-serving is more like it. Just like all other Bush appointees.
Maybe we could hook up Vitter and DoughyP.
I find it helpful when I heard them talking this way to find out what their skeleton is in these areas. You know who spends millions to fly George H.W. Bush around? The Rev. Moon. The same Rev. Moon who has lost millions with the Washington Times. Is this sustainable? I guess so, as long as there are widows in Japan who can be ripped off.
You know figuring out how to get businesses or families to fun your crazy conservative ideas was really smart. Paying for intellectual ideological infrastructure is boring, but the conservatives figured out that if they didn’t do it those commie school teachers would brain wash the world!
I just grossed myself out.
Restraint is the better part of …..
screw it.
The (ir)Rev. Moon has more money than God.
No doubt.
Republicans figured out a long time ago that they can’t dazzle anyone with brilliance so they’d better baffle them with bullshit.
Speaking of Goldie and Limp, they both made The List, although Doughboy has some catching up to do…
http://unsexy.thephoenix.com/unsexy/2009/
is that what the kids are calling it these days?
*tossing mary the triple strength brain bleach*
I think he has about 200 pounds to go to catch Rushbo on that list.
Just conjecture on my part, youth and sex being such distant memories.
“Jonah Goldberg thinks liberals are fascists bent on totalitarianism. Also, he thinks they’re paranoid conspiracy theorists.”
Jonah Goldberg THINKS? Who knew?
You still remember them???
I’m confident he’ll get there. I’m sure he wants to get up to his optimal fighting weight.
Does Little Jonas still sit on his mommas lap when he gives interviews?
Y’know, at some point your memories are replaced by memories of memories. Like a hundredth generation videotape, it becomes difficult to discern recognizable details.
What passes for thinking…
You know with his weigh gain and his previous drug use problems Rush Limbaugh might not be around much longer. When he dies I think that we will be too polite to speak ill of the recently deceased. We should start doing it now.
My Aunt in the mid-west the other day said, “What can we do about Rush?” She had just been accosted by another dittohead who wanted to bait her about something Rush had said about Obama. He enjoys repeating Rush’s comments to “fight with liberals” it’s entertaining to him. He was using the “Obama isn’t really a citizen” argument that he heard on some show. I suggested that the next time he brings that up ask him if he realizes he is calling the Governor of Hawaii a liar.(She certified that he was born in the US.)
She declined arguing with him again and again until she could decline no more, finally she said, “I think he is a pompous buffoon!”
He felt he “won” because he “got a rise out of her.” She is too nice to destroy this guy logically, but it gets so old.
edited to fix typos and wordos
I hear he has been huffing Cheetos dust and mainlining Mountain Dew for the event.
That Jonah Golberg himself actually issued from a component of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy is icing on the cake.
Also.
I think it more like random neurons firing asynchronously.
I thought back in the ’80s Rush was one Big Mac away from keeling over. If it’s true that only the good die young Rush will be around for a long time.
That’s a quality training regimen…
But Thers, It Can’t Happen Here… can it?
Along with twinkies, cockroaches, and Cher after the apocalypse.
Jabbah Golberg.
Inside a cabbage…
Almost did and still could.
How many hours a day do you suppose Rush is NOT eating?
i expect it is the same as the hours he is sleeping
Is that trick question?
No tricks. Suz is probably right. That’s some gluttony.
I think Rush sleeps suspended in a vat of shortening, so he is absorbing nourishment even then.
On that note, I believe I’ll trundle off to my own vat. Nighters all.
The undead don’t sleep. Rush’s mouth is always moving.
g’nite ratfood
Night, rf.
Hee hee. It sort of did happen here…
I’ve suggested to others that the way to bring Rush down is to get him in situations that he can not control. This will lead to a faux pax he can’t get out of easily. He needs to be in the public with critics, he needs to get out of his bubble. He learned his lesson years ago and avoids venues and groups he can’t control just like Bush did. Bush used national security as his excuse, Rush just declines invites.
Rush needs to be investigated for financial fraud. What are the odds that the Excellence in Broadcasting organization is on the up and up? Is he paying his taxes? Or is he hiding income in the Caymans?
We know about his trip to the DR and his Viagra pill issue. That is something that WILL happen again. Will we see him on the Smoking Gun page for picking up a prostitute? Think about what they did to Spitzer. That was Wall Street looking for pay back. Why we on the left don’t think strategically that way about Rush is beyond me. On the other hand maybe they are, someone probably tipped the authorities off about the DR trip. Media Matters is doing some excellent work tracking Rush’s lies.
There is a reason that Rush is defending the people at AIG (besides the fact that he is one of the rich) and that is because he knows that making the rich his enemy will end up hurting him. (Frankly I’m surprised that the Auto Execs let him trash them, but they must have figured it was a way to get more concessions out of the unions).
If Rush gets on the “let’s attack the rich” train, that is when you can expect him to lose some big time support. I’ll make sure that his banking company and insurance company sponsors hear that Rush is calling for the heads of the corporations that advertise. They tend not to like it when hosts call for people to be hanged. The people at Hot Talk 560 called for the hanging of journalists and the electrocution of Bill Keller. They kept getting away with it until some advertisers heard about it. I want us to keep an ear out for Right Wing rage and when it happens I want the bank advertisers to hear about it so that they can punish Rush financially. That is the only think that he will listen to.
Off to bed for me. Have young minds to abuse in the morning (Test Day!).
g’nite dr (pause) dick
Soylent Fat.
I hadn’t thought of that. I still wish I hadn’t thought of that.
You’re right, but when will be cited for inciting murder?
“Soylent fat is made out of RUSHBO! RUSHBO!!!!”
I’m off bedwards too. Night!
Well, Jonah, when we escaped the exploding Earth on the giant Space Ark and the Gummint decided not to tell the stupid people because-
Oh.
;>)
g’nite thers
When the UUC people were killed by the man who hated liberals, had books written by Hannity, O’Reilly and Savage in his house, there were no connection to inciting violence.
During the convention there picked up some DFH for incitement to riot (which isn’t even a real thing on the books).
I have audio tapes of Lee Rodgers, Brian Sussman and Melanie Morgan talking about killing specific individuals. Morgan organized groups to confront Cindy Sheehan, Medea Benjamin and William Ayers. I know there was violence at both Sheehan events and Code Pink events. Unless someone is killed and she is there saying, “Go get ‘em” they won’t hold her to it.
I’ve actually talked to a US Attorney. I guess it’s all okay if you are a republican rabble rouser.
... and awaaay we go … Single Payer Health Reform Bill introduced in Senate - DKos
Socialmalism!
;>)
Evenin’, Comrades ! *g*
Kirsten Gillibrand worked for Big Tobacco!
Makes me sick. I just can’t believe it’s legal, and especially when it’s directed at POTUS.
Jeebus, she becomes more loveable every day …
Goldberg= Bovine,= Mad Cow,= Landfill material.
Somehow, no matter the equation, Goldberg,= Landfill material.
I hope this works. My kids cannot afford to buy health insurance, and since I’m retiring, they won’t be covered under me. I can afford a catastrophic plan for them, but not anything more.
hey busted
i hope it works too loohoo. i’m paying half of stephanie’s medical premuim in addition to paying my own – neither one of us has dental coverage.
You got bullshit in my pantload! You got pantload in my bullshit!
-G
I’ll square that equation. Same result, squared.
;>)
Suz !
This is going to define Obama & the Dems … Reid is actually talking about the nuclear option.
You’re getting mellow … *g*
Please, you’ll make little Glennie cry.
-G
unfortunately, all reid does is talk – i swear, he must think he has a glass jaw the way he refuses to fight for anything.
Perhaps I need to read the Good Book and get in touch with myself.
;>)
OMFG !!!
Ladies and gentlemen, the second coming.
-G
hitting the triple strength myself – repeatedly
My man, I have actually spent the time, out of my life, to read what that fucking idiot had to say one day because the Oregonian newspaper out of Portland actually had his drivel printed on the Editorial page and the word “vacuous” immediately came to mind.
The fucking guy can burn up the printed page and still has nothing to say.
Blind drunk, I could throw something on the internets that would still make him look like a fucking moron.
I sure hope he surprises us by going through with it …
(sigh) my fear is that my hopes get raised and then reid lets it fail
That you could, sir. But then, we have no need to ‘maintain the fictions’ that are so important to those who offer him their credulity.
;>)
I know, and Lord knows, there’s enough history of that … but I think if the Dems get this through, they win huge landslides in both houses in 2010, so the political motivation is there.
ROFL !!!
He is, isn’t he? Love it, Darkblack!
If Reid’s powder was any drier, he could soak up Lake Michigan.
;>)
OK, he’s his same old self.
Eye bleach, brain zapper, help…
mighty big if tho
Looks like I
picked the wrong day to stop sniffing gluespoke too soon … *g*{{{ Margot }}}
Yep, we have to flood their phone lines every single day until this passes.
Oh, Margot, I’ve changed. I promise.
;>)
Gotta get to bed.
Nice to see you late nighters…
Now to get Beck’s bible thumpin’ picture out of my head…
-G
wow
call you spell t-o-a-s-t?
He’s Eeeeeevvvil!
-G
g’nite gregb
But it makes her naughty parts tingle.
;>)
Cripes, didja have to say “Bible Thumping” ?
hahaha
((Petro))
The Republic*nts should be getting very, very happy, A bunch of Tent Cities are springing up all over the country but this is what they are really hoping for fer the rest of us,
http://www.nakedprotesters.com…..eggars.jpg
Well, going to Tijuana is still safer than you’d think. Last time I went, about six months ago, walking across the border, there were policefolks on every single corner with smiles on their faces. Ten to thirteen year old kids were assembled in a quad for security training with Junior Police t-shirts. Many more of these junior policefolks at every street crossing. The streets were barren of American citizens almost, but still pharmacies, doctors, dentists, and every derivative of said offices everywhere.
The Tijuana I remember as a kid is no more. It’s beautifully laid out with street signs and street lamps more like what you’d see in Europe than what you’d see in America. (But the quality and durability may be in question…)
Still, I never felt scared. I felt so welcomed and appreciated that I was there to spend my dollars in Mexico.
I really don’t know what Americans without insurance are doing now for healthcare. And I have healthcare! It’s just that certain dental issues are covered every so many years rather than when needed here.
My dental care in Mexico has far exceeded what I’ve ever received here. Sad.
i pay more in medical premiums than i pay for food. that is just forking wrong.
i hope to be able to go to mexico for dental care but … even that takes money i don’t have. so instead, my teeth are getting worse every day – this keeps up and i will have only one tooth on my upper left quadant.
Heh, heh, heh,
I see cats waiting to come back inside through the sliding glass door.
Good kitties.
Weeping, coughing, LOL… i may have to make that a desktop background. I’d laugh every time I saw it.
Dammit, Gram let them in.
The title of the work is Bible Beater, IIRC.
;>)
Dammit, bleach won’t remove that ! *g*
This is in response to DB @ 127
late late nite upstairs
The part of that he did not show you,
http://gay.fleshbot.com/203631…..-butt-plug
Dorks R Us!
There’s only one thing left to do, then.
;>)
LORDY! You’ve become the total Master!
Jeebus !
*Stands and Applauds a True Master*
Is that a pottery wheel?
Sit and spin?
I guess you could call it that.
Yeah.
707 !!!
The U.S. House Judiciary Committee’s decision to let Karl Rove give unsworn testimony raises some troubling questions:
Karl Rove and Some Curious Ground Rules (Thursday, March 26, 2009)
This is not news, but it reminds us of what we have on the docket coming soon.
I hope this is correct: “The two aides confirmed that Rove would not be sworn in for his testimony, but they said testimony before Congress is de facto sworn, meaning any false statements could bring perjury charges.” If not, the Congress once again has been pwnd by Greg Craig.
Bob in HI
P. and L.H. – Oh, you two. Don’t make me bottle up right here.
;>)
Swear to Gahd, I’m not getting Whoopi Goldberg fantasies. No, really. I swear.
So true.
I was thinking of the other female lead in that movie …
I could bring myself to do a lot of things in this life. But “following in Bruce Willis’ footsteps” isn’t one of them.
The way I heard it, this way, there is no time limit and they can question him for 12 hours if they want to.
The option of calling him before a Hearing to give sworn testimony is always open.
Besides, the swearing in is just theater … all testimonies are subject to perjury charges.
LOL … love the quotation marks.
Can not be accused of casting aspersions. Just sayin.
But between you and me, I liked her a lot before she got the knife-job.
Agreed … natural beauty is priceless but unfortunately, the film industry does not agree.
Some say the Taliban are reputed to admire that and try to emulate those Republicans.
/s
Goldberg is an ignoramus. I’m not sure he knows how to read. If he does, it is probably by moving his lips and fingers. He certainly hasn’t read very much of anything.