The Geithner Plan, combined with the other steps taken by the Federal Reserve and the Treasury, make fairly clear the Obama administration’s plan. The sardonic summary would be "to continue the work of Hank Paulson," but the more serious one would be, "we’re going to throw money at this problem until it goes away." The likely end result will be riptide inflation, and an economy that suffers from the Japanese sickness, where the good times just never, ever, seem to return. Here’s why this is the case.
Though it’s unclear how much money has been spent, guaranteed and loaned at this point. Given that back in February the number was $9.7 trillion, and that trillions have been committed since then, I think it’s safe to say that we’re over $12 trillion. This is, well, a lot of money. The entire US GDP for 2008 was about $14 1/2 trillion.
The Fed has even decided to buy treasuries, which is the absolute definition of "printing money" since it amounts to one part of the government funding the other part of the government.
All of this money is going to land somewhere. What we are going to see is another bout of riptide inflation, where some parts of the economy (such as wages and housing prices) are in deflation, while other parts are inflating. My guess where the money is going to land? Oil prices again. It’s already begun. Put all that money into the hands of speculators and they have to park it somewhere.
Likewise, when America buys its own treasuries, that means that the treasury bubble is going to start deflating. Private investors aren’t going to want to invest in a Ponzi scheme which is coming to an end. The US dollar has also very likely peaked, and we’re going to see it deflate over the next year.
All of this was avoidable. What should have been done was to take steps to deal with oil inflation: such as a 55 mph speed limit, 3 day weekends at major corporations, and so on. Such steps should have been instigated the second Obama took office, or put into the bailout bill or the stimulus bill.
The result instead is riptide inflation/deflation combined with a falling dollar and more difficulty financing this expansion in any way that isn’t nakedly printing money.
Then we come to the Geithner plan, which amounts to the federal government subsidizing hedge funds to buy toxic securities at overvalued prices using, mostly, money from the Federal Reserve and the FDIC in order to make sure they don’t have to ask Congress for money, since they know Congress would never give them another trillion and a half or so.
At the end of the day, the FDIC and Fed are backed by the US government, so any losses will have to be made up for by the American taxpayer. (In the old days, this was known as "taxation without representation".)
There will most likely be losses, because a good chunk of the loans to hedge funds are non-recourse, meaning that if the value of the security goes down, it’s Uncle Sam who’s on the hook for most of the loss, not the hedge fund. Likewise the funds will be heavily leveraged, allowing them to pay higher prices than otherwise. Add to that the continuing collapse of housing prices and the economy, and you have a situation where the target is moving. As the economy gets worse, more and more people default on their mortgages, leading to a decrease in housing prices and thus the prices of securities built on top of housing.
Which leads us to the stimulus bill. It’s not large enough or well-enough constructed. So, even if it works in a technical sense (gets GDP growth above zero), it’s probably not going to really turn the economy around in the ways that matter: a job recovery and increasing wages. Without these two things increasing, and without a clear direction for the economy other than hedge funds getting massively leveraged loans to play paper games—which worked so well before the crisis, you just know we should try it again—housing will keep decreasing, demand will not recover properly since consumers won’t have money to spend, and the assets underlying the financial crisis will continue to decline in value.
Because the government has loaned money to buy up the assets, and guaranteed much of the remainder of it, the government will be on the hook for the losses. (And by "the government," I mean "your tax dollars.")
What happened in Japan after their bubble is instructive. Instead of taking the toxic waste off their banks hands, or forcing write downs, they allowed zombie loans and zombie banks to sit around doing not much of anything. They also tried large Keynesian stimulus, but every time it looked like it might be working, they backed off. The end result was, and is, 20 years where the Japanese economy never really got good again. Short periods of modest growth were followed by recessions, over and over again.
Defenders of the Geithner Plan would say that we’ve learned from Japan’s mistakes. What we’re doing is taking the loans off the banks’ books, so we don’t have zombie banks. This misses the point, even assuming the government does eventually manage to move all the bad debts from the banks and into taxpayer hands, which is questionable since the losses are a moving and increasing target.
Why? Because in macroeconomic terms it really doesn’t matter who has the debt, it doesn’t matter who is impaired. If the government has all the debt and winds up crippled, and government spending and loans wind up crippled, the effect is virtually the same as having crippled banks hanging around. The debt still has to be paid off.
The key difference here is between "paid off" and "wiped out". "Paid off" means the full value gets paid back (minus whatever inflation the US has, which may be a lot). " Wiped out", on the other hand, is what would occur if private banks, firms and investors were forced to take their own losses. In that case, when the full value of the investor or firm was gone, any remaining value would simply disappear. If a bank goes bankrupt owing $200 billion, and the bankruptcy windups leave only $100 billion of proceeds, then the remaining $100 billion goes away. Yes, that $100 billion may wipe out some other people, but it’s done. It’s over with. It’s finished. You can’t get blood out of a stone, and when a firm or person is wiped out, they’re wiped out.
Instead the decision has been made, in effect, to pay back the full amount of the losses—and not to force those who made the bad bets to pay them back, but to put as much as possible of the losses onto the government and make taxpayers pay them back.
Since we’re talking about trillions of dollars of losses, in a declining economy, that means impairment of both government and private spending for years to come.
The end effect will likely be little different than what happened in Japan, with the exceptions that the US may see significant inflation, and that as net importer rather than a net exporter, the US probably can’t keep this up for 20 years. Which means that at some point in the future it will either have to default on the debts, inflate them away or have a financial collapse.
None of this is necessary, and there are still ways things could be done better. The administration is set to announce their regulatory reforms next week. If those reforms are thorough and complete, ending the existence of "too big to fail firms", sharply increasing tax progressivity and putting firm limits on leverage, then perhaps the pain to come will be worth it, if only because steps will have been taken to make sure it doesn’t happen again. But if real regulatory reforms aren’t put in place soon, the future will be bleak indeed.
Related posts:
- The Obama-Geithner Stress Tests: Giving the People What They Want?
- Barofsky Report: What Happened to All That TARP Money?
- Bankster Bluster Leads to Legacy Loan Program Fail
- The Next Big Taxpayer Bailout? IMF Could Get Hundreds of Billions for European Banks
- Geithner on White House Plans to “Fix” Social Security





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But at least the price of Tribeca duplexes will begin to stabilize.
Let’s get our priorities straight.
Nice to see you posting again Ian, even if it is just to explain why we’re fucked! They are going to keep trying the same old shit and expecting a different result.
Thanks for another cheery post Ian ; )
It appears to me that Geithner is working hard to avoid going back to Congress for more money. So by working with FDIC and the Fed, he can do what he wants no matter what Congress thinks. So even if the public is up in arms over this bailout, if Obama sticks with Geithner and Geithner sticks with his plan, it will go forward no matter what.
Do you see any way to stop this plan? Where are the pressure points? Who do we need to talk to to force a change in plan?
And I was naive to think using the banks was good for me…. http://www.governmentalityblog…..r-you.html
Ball park how much do you think it will drop if we don’t lend anymore money out? Yes I know that is very unlikely but we need numbers for right now as talking points for the MSM.
I’m not sure this is legal even if the Fed does it?
Good morning Ian and Puppies.
Grim news, Ian. I can see the steam coming out your ears as you write.
Mine too.
But I thank you for taking the trouble to write these informative pieces. I’d rather know more about what’s coming down the road at us than remain stupid and totally helpless.
The administration is set to announce their regulatory reforms next week. If those reforms are thorough and complete, ending the existence of “too big to fail firms”, sharply increasing tax progressivity and putting firm limits on leverage, then perhaps the pain to come will be worth it, if only because steps will have been taken to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
The odds of this happening are almost zero.
DIGG IS OPEN
Can anyone explain to me how the Taxpayers get paid back with interest above inflation under Geithner’s plan and when?
Just how fast does the economy have to recover how big is Geithner thinking the economy Must get in order for us to get paid back?
Good Morning. Anyone watch Timmy on The TeeVee Box Machine this morning? Talk about your Fancy Tap-Dancing. He can say absolutely nothing with some of the highest-quality logorrhea known to humankind.
This guy is just awful.
What is Plan B if the Banks can’t pay us back?
What are the hedgefunds investing in to make money in this market oil speculation and shorting stocks?
Can they even create a bubble in this market?
Pretty much turns all of us into gamblers, just to try and survive, eh?
I don’t work that way with my finances. But I suppose I’d better grit my teeth and learn.
Somehow it feels as if it was already too late to do anything anyway. How’s that for a positive attitude.
When the financial firestorms come, I’ll be the one with gramma’s gold necklace clutched tightly in one hand, and my family in the other. We have each other. That’s a greater joy to me than any amount of gold could ever be. Simpleton that I be.
Why should the speed limit be lowered just because of oil price manipulation? Making America drive slow won’t stop the price manipulation.
Didn’t you see this “60 Minutes” segment about the manipulation by the big banks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO6HUwlIS_Y
The Chinese ain’t gonna loan us billions forever. What then?
“Because in macroeconomic terms it really doesn’t matter who has the debt, it doesn’t matter who is impaired. If the government has all the debt and winds up crippled, and government spending and loans wind up crippled, the effect is virtually the same as having crippled banks hanging around. The debt still has to be paid off.”
Bingo.
don’t sweat the small shit. . . and it’s all small shit!
Create a demand drop in oil you lower the price the speculators are betting that oil prices will go up.
In this economy I doubt that will happen so even without a 55 mph speed limit the oil speculators I think are screwed. They need higher oil prices to make a profit
Had a dream last night whereby I solved the economic crisis. Unfortunately this morning I can’t remember how.
I may be mistaken, but I think the Fed is technically a private institution that has a great deal of autonomy from Congress. So, yes I believe it is possible for the Fed to pretty much do what it wants. Congress may be able to have Bernanke show up for hearings, but I don’t think they have the power to force him to change course. I’m no expert though, so if I’m wrong I hope someone chimes in here to correct me.
1) I assume that you are talking mostly about the bailout of non-FDIC-bank obligations–those which Geithner (arguably, I sure there are different points of view) said that the neither the Fed, Treasury, FTS, or FDIC had the authority to impose “haircuts” on stockholders of non-bank financial institutions in the way that it does on FDIC-insured banks.
2) You say that the money has to go somewhere. That somewhere is very nebulous. In the first round it goes to pay counterparties who hold debt obligations. But those counterparties are also in debt; those the first few exchanges take this debt off books all the way round. That process will take a month or so I imagine. In the meantime, the government has to operate and someone must buy treasuries; hunkered down private investors are not going to do it in sufficient numbers. I would like some more detail on how you expect this to unwind.
3) Inflation is not going to appear immediately. The question is whether the Fed and the Obama administration will have a nuanced way to deal with it. One of the key question marks on this is whether Obama can break Republican (and Blue Dog) obstructionism in Congress. If he can’t it’s all over anyway.
4) Should inflation occur in a booming part of the economy, the obvious solution is to raise taxes on purely financial investments and grant tax credits on real embodiment in the creation of jobs. Given that the bailout is going primarily to the well-to-do, increasing tax rates in this bracket and reinstituting a highly progressive estate tax can recover these funds over time as well as dampen inflation by reducing pure money plays, increasing productivity, and reducing the inequality of compensation that creates bubbles of pure financial plays. This again depends on what Obama can do in getting a Congress that is focused on reality in addition to grandstanding.
5) What the Fed can do, it can also reverse course quickly, selling its Treasuries instead of buying to sop up the extra money. And it can tighten interest rates. All the normal monetary strategies.
6) I think that the logic behind the actions is an attempt to create an environment in which monetarism as a economic policy can work again. It’s a little like Republicans wishing for the return of the Soviet Union and trying to provoke Russia to play that bipolar role.
7) “Default on the debt, inflate them away, or have a financial collapse” – Given the choice between this and highly progressive taxation to pay them off, what would you choose? That is the unmentioned “impossible” option.
Not saying you’re wrong, but there are some alternative scenarios.
Are you sure it wasn’t a nightmare, one of those dreams where you wake up shrieking?
Mornin’ Ian,
what Twisted and Adie said !
More on oil speculation
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3242
Surely you jest.
My dad and mom enter the job market on the heels of the depression. My dad had what was considered a good job, even though he saw pay cuts every quarter for a long long time.
My honey and I entered the job market in the 70’s, when some graduate students were forming lawning-mowing services because there were no jobs for the “overeducated”.
We helped the country dig itself out of the financial messes of the ’80s.
Now this.
You, and we, will save the system again, if we’re lucky. With what, I have no idea. Figuring this stuff out is wayy above my pay grade. I was paid in cabbages and eggs and goat milk. I was the one who planted the cabbages, fed the chickens and milked the goats.
We no longer have the goats and chickens, and the garden is much smaller now. Maybe they’ll take it out of our sorry hides.
So let me get this straight: The bailout package does not include Vaseline for the taxpayer? We have to buy that, too? Do you suppose there’s a way to qualify for the quantity discount…you know, the case or pallet pricing?
No it was a great dream, and everything worked out. But for the life of me, I can’t remember any of the details. ;) Kinda like when Homer Simpson dreamed about a new invention.
Your comment just made me think of something. Can we rig up some kind of a device that we put on our heads while we’re reading this stories. A steam engine type headset that converts the steam coming out of our ears to, let’s say, power the computer we’re sitting at.
Ian, it might be OT or you may have addressed it before but what would happen if they let AIG fail? from this point on, not one more dime ……
Has AIG received enough money to function without any more?
sadly, even I know you are correct.
Jane addressed this in her second set of questions for Congress (apparently some 1913 (?) legistlation giving them that autonomy)
Geitner claims some hokum about his proposals would give Treasury more control – I’d have to go and look
We could end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to save money. National Healthcare has a big start up cost but it would save us money long term. Cutting military spending and tell Boeing and all the defense contractors to start building high speed trains passenger and freight would save money and speed commerce helping the economy.
We have options we just need to use them. Maybe we need a post of our options.
Yeah, how much of a demand drop do we need, lol. I think hyper inflation will make people drive 55 anyway, so no need to force it on people.
Comparisons to Japan’s last 25 years not wholly useful being Japan was not doing massive militarism projection that United States has been fully engaged in since end of WW2. The Pentagon likes current yearly trillion $$ budgets and the coming $$ diet budgets of many hundreds of billions less will bring on nasty political clashes as Americans are told they can either have big military or legacy standard of life but not both. Pentagon will have backers who will insist military comes first.
More like Japan of the 1930’s. We know how that worked out for Japan.
American Dollar as a paper currency value holder was gold standard equal for decades after WW2. That era now in sunset. A sunset nearing nightfall.
Americans have had advantage of scale multiplication(American economic consumption/production just to move/transport things/people much bigger than Japan’s) but these trillion $$ cloakings of bad gambling debts on Wall St. and by firms such as Goldman Sachs and AIG (sorry AIU now) will have to still be made good. China in particular is suggesting moving away from American dollar to other means of global currency basing.
Chinese are not stupid and surely know what the coming sunrise will bring.
hey… that’s Chuck Schumer (ConservaD-Banksters)’s core constituency!
It’s amazing that the idea of nationalizing the responsibilities of the private Fed never comes up, when it is the most obvious solution.
borrow from India? ;-P
MSNBC just said that the top 25 hedge fund managers received 464 BILLION last year in compensation AND it was taxed at a lower rate than the general public…..
I wasn’t seeing anyway we could get paid back under Geithner’s plan either. I was hoping someone smarter than me could explain under just what set of funny circumstances Geithner’s plan could work.
Maybe Narnia needs a fairytale economic bailout plan Geithner seems very qualified for the job:)
yep.
As we prep to move to smaller digs, we’re getting rid of a lot of stuff. Most of it we originally got free or from Goodwill, etc.
So we figure it’s only fair. Lots of it served us well for 30 plus years, and is still very useful so, in dribs and drabs, we set it out by the road after the garbage truck has gone by, and the shelves, tables, cooking kettles,fence posts, incubators, goat buckets, etc. is eagerly snapped up by its new owners. Of course I know a lot of the metal things are simply sold for the metal. So what? If that’s what’s useful to the person who gets it, that’s fine with me.
The books, hundreds of them, are nearly all given away, except our favorites. We’re not done with those yet.
Don’t sweat the small stuff. We have each other. Indeed Raven. You’re a wise bird. ;->
Great idea, have the powerful contractors build infrastructure domestically.
Also, the government should be buying its Medicare/Medicaid drugs from Canada or India, generic wherever possible. So many billions could be saved.
Good Question seconded!
I think Jane, Christy, Ian and many others are helping us do just that, hon.
Alternative forms of energy. You are definitely onto something. I would suggest, however, that the amount of energy produced would be far in excess of the amount required to power your computer. So maybe we flow the excess into the grid? By my reckoning, at the current rate of steam production, we’d be off foreign oil in about a week, give or take.
Borrow from the Mexican drug cartels?
I think your right last year driving from Seattle to California in my gas sipping Echo I was passing everyone except the Prius drivers.
yes, sigh….
That’s what I thought — thanks for confirming it. It worries me that the Fed appears to have the ability to print money and hand it out at will. Maybe we can get them to print Euros instead so they can be a headache for other countries for awhile ; )
Every dollar earned should be taxed at the same rate!
hey! I think you’re onto something! Perhaps we can appoint Rahm special envoy to Sinaloa. He’d be perfect for that role.
It’s funny you mention that… I have a long commute, mostly on interstates, and when gas was $4/gallon people were driving a lot slower (easily 5-10 mph). It was really striking.
Speaking of AIG, here’s one hot off the presses:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03…..nted=print
We could stipulate the condition that he must go there and stay there.
Columbian Drug guys once offered to pay all of Columbia’s National debt if they would make drugs legal.
Taxing Pot seems safer and more politically do able just how much could we make Nationally doing that though?
Thank you, Ian. As Adie says, I’d rather know the truth about what is coming down the road at me than pretend all’s well with the world and be blindsided when the Mack truck hits.
(1) Isn’t what Geithner and Bernanke are trying to do using FDIC funds (usurping Congress’s power of the purse) constitutionally illegal?
(2) If they pull this off (using FDIC funds), won’t that so deplete FDIC’s ability to perform its assigned purpose (insure deposits) that it, in fact, will not be able to guarantee our bank deposits?
(2)(a) If (2) is the probable outcome, what advice do you give for us as a method of protecting our bank deposits?
Har har. It could be a stylized tin foil hat with ear funnels connected to the grid.
Off foreign oil in a week. Too funny.
I don’t know how I thought of this. Sometimes I scare myself.
I don’t trust any super wealthy person who refers to childhood steel mills, or mills of any kind. See John Edwards.
Isn’t that one of the definitions of insanity?
We’re all fucked no matter what they do,my tax dollars are gonna be used to make these huge Wall street firms whole again(maybe) and I get diddly squat in return!
Krugman said at WSJ yesterday…we could inflate our way out and that Treasury move to buy up Treasury bonds will help econ with Quantitative easing…Fed could lose money…printing presses to inflate our way out.
Consumer debt and inflated housing values are a real problem.
Economic recovery and full employment won’r happen any time soon.
$12 Trillion bank stimulus may be a very heavy drag on a recovery.
Say goodbye to the Obama “dream programs” that got him the big vote…green investment and universal health care likely will not be funded under the high debt to cover the toxic bank assests and the credit default swap calls.
Wall street got a huge tranfusion of capital from american taxpayers…they also got at leat 40% of our retirement to fritter away.
What is the total number when the losses are added to the $12 Trillion bailout? $50 Trillion?
They are going to have a hard time raising the federal debt ceiling under these conditions.
Jobs and wages will remain weak as long as consumers are tapped out by high credit card debt, frozen home equity lines and lost home and retirement equity.
“…I walked 25 miles to school through the driving snow – uphill both ways – and when I got home, I milked the cows, slopped the hogs, and then started working on my lessons. Couldn’t afford paper so I used a piece of coal to write on the back of a snow shovel…”
Yeah, I see what you’re saying.
Demi I’m so pissed at all this bullshit that I could power a small town!!
ian, what we have here is a worst case scenario;
there is NO way we would allow bush to get away with giving MORE money to the banks, NO FRIGGING WAY
yet because he’s “our” president we’re giving him some kind of pass
this man is moving further and further toward neo con land
is there anything in the constitution that would prevent congress from taxing bankers and other financial services professionals at a higher marginal rate than other groups, prospectively? Would that automatically trigger the attainder issue, if they say they do it not from a punative perspective but rather from a, we need to finance the reconstruction of and restoration of confidence in their industry, perspective?
NO NO NO…… we need progressive tax rate……. just as Obama explained about the house deduction yesterday…… IF your income is above X then you can take a percent of the deduction but if below that level then you can take 100%. It is like my student loan interest…….. My income is above that cut off so I cannot take it but my kids can.
Roll the tax rate back to the Reagan rates……
A bold fashion statement.
or Seinfeld’s fantastic lost joke scribbled on a napkin during the night and discarded by Lupe the helpful hotel maid next morn? heh.
Go take a nap. Mebbe it’ll come back. I have faith in you. I MUST know your secret plan to save the world! Your assignment, should you choose to accept it……mfptzlsnuffies. ;->
click on Ian’s All of this was avoidable link above :D
Yep…… try working on a project to lobby congress to increase research funding for one of those little known cancers….. it isn’t a glamor cancer (sorry anyone has cancer) who gets TV time…… just think …… last year Kidney cancer research got $1.5 million in research dollars…… What AIG received in bailout funds is more than ANY cancer research dollars EVER in American history…….
ya lost me with that one. i’m progressive. Soak the uber rich. Force them to have their wrap-around decks fashioned out of concrete, not teak.
reduce their 4-story summer mansions reduced to a one-layer slab.
signed, rabblerouser extraordinaire
apologies for going OT –
message for upstate NEW YORKERS from bo received this am re: congressional seat vacated by kirsten gillibrand:
_______________________________________________________
I’m writing to you now because you have the opportunity to make a big impact on my efforts to bring about a lasting economic recovery.
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Volunteer this week and help in the final push to send Scott Murphy to Congress.
Scott has the kind of experience and background we desperately need right now in Washington.
He’s created jobs by building and growing small businesses while bringing people together to address difficult challenges. He supports the economic recovery plan we’ve put in place, and I know we can count on him as an ally for change.
To restore our economy and build a foundation for lasting prosperity, I’ll need Scott’s help. This week, Scott needs yours.
Sign up and pitch in to elect Scott Murphy to Congress:
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What you do now can make all the difference as we work in the coming weeks and months to lead our country in a new direction.
Thank you,
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If this problem hadn’t been dropped in Obama’s lap we might see more funding for this type (all types) of medical research. Instead we are just throwing $$$ down a big rat hole!
Sit outside the locked bank door with your (unloaded) shotgun.
Shotgun economics. It’s what’s for dinner.
I didn’t expect to agree with everything he did, but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. What I’m seeing at this point, however, is an extension of the same old shit in some major policy areas. He talks a good game, but the same stubbornness seems to be extant. This is not good.
Right now dollars earned from investing are taxed lower than dollars earned from work. I agree we need higher progressive tax rates but we also need every dollar no matter how its earned taxed at the same rate.
Even if Megan McCain threatens to go Galt on us that is just a chance I want to take:)
You prideful, shameful thing, you! Go sit in the corner stool. Oh, and don the cap there. That’s better.
NO! Not until I say to! Sit and thimk. Forever, if necessary.
You should send this comment to Obama, Geithner, Bernanke, and every member of Congress!!
New post up top: Goldman and Barclays to play major role in Geithner’s plan — have been negotiating with Treasury and FDIC “for weeks”
Meet the new boss same as the old boss
I thought things would change with Obama in charge
seems some ideas are so firmly entrenched that nothing will ever change
I’m steaming too. It’s crazy making. I fear for our mental and emotional wellness. Everyone’s mad and it doesn’t make for a good life. Why I use humor so much, I guess.
Even driving fast I bet I was still getting better Miles per Gallon than most of the cars on the road I was passing:)
Please, don’t interrupt while I’m venting and ranting nonsense. It’s my only release other than going to hear sonny play a concert, and the orchestras he plays in are fighting desperately to survive, and losing the battle, and… and… dammit!
I use humor as a release too
better to laugh than have your heart explode
I feel that way myself sometimes:)
sometimes it works. sometimes not so much. but it’s worth a try.
sometimes a smile at a total stranger works too.
P. E. A. C. E.
Lyrics by John Turner and Geoffrey Parsons.
Music written by Charlie Chaplin, 1936.
Smile though your heart is aching;
Smile even though it’s breaking.
When there are clouds in the sky, you’ll get by.
If you smile through your fear and sorrow,
Smile and maybe tomorrow,
You’ll see the sun come shining through for you.
It’s sad. For that brief period of time, I was actually stupid enough to think that things might change. The takeaway for me is that even though someone can complete a sentence, it doesn’t necessarily mean they will actually offer us anything other than the same old shit.
Here’s a little tune. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQSVqMdTVNE
The only way we are guaranteed to lose is if we stop trying to make things better.
Smile!
“We will take measures to insure this will never happen again.”
How many times have I heard this? I’ve lost count.
Back atcha buddy. ;->
Adie, I’ve been depending on my pitchfork just inside my front door – - guess I’d better ask for my sawed-off Smith & Wesson 12 gauge back, huh? (to protect my newly stuffed mattress).
Gotta go recycle a mt. of paper. Thanks Ian and Puppies. Quite simply the best bloggin’ crowd in the universe, not that there’s anything wrong with that ;->
heh. i never held a shotgun in my life. never shot a gun. wouldn’t. you’re on your own, unless you’d like to play killer double solitaire with a compassionate heathen. i’m utterly merciless!
DAM, DAM, DAM! I knew it – Goldman Sachs again. Go, Rep. Bachman, get after GS big time.
Thanks for the link twolf1. Will go there soon as my blood pressure lowers a bit. Can’t take much more of Goldman Sachs. (putting on collander hat) I’m beginning to think GS manipulated this whole program; they bought a lot of Cassano’s (AIG) crap. See The Big Takeover, an article by Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone. I’ll get link and post later.
Excellent post and summary of what is going on. If you look at the tentative and/or bungled nature of the response to the crisis so far, if you look too at Obama’s choice of weak regulators like Schapiro at SEC and Gensler (Bernie Sanders has put a hold on his nomination) at the CFTC, then it becomes pretty clear that regulatory reform is going to follow the by now familiar Obama pattern of too little too late.
A lot of regulatory reforms like returning the uptick rule or rescinding the reserve capital rule could have been done on an emergency basis. The first by legislation, the second by SEC action. We haven’t seen it. And you can tell too by what doesn’t get mentioned. Who has heard discussion of bringng back Glass-Steagall, restructuring the ratings agencies, doing something about the Fed? As for what has been talked about, the main thing with CDSs and such is to bring them into exchanges and maybe exert a little more oversight over them. In other words, not much.
There are also larger indicators. Geithner’s buy up of crap assets shows that bank regulation looks essentially dead. That so many of his plans promote greater securitization means derivative regulation is going to be weak. Let us remember too. They don’t want to apply regulation on those that participate in this latest Geithner program. That Goldman wants to pay back its government loan so it can act more like the investment bank it still very much is tells me a lot as well.
Shorter version: Re-regulation is going to be weak to non-existent.
More general version: We are in depression and the Obama Administration has no credible policies to get us out of it and indeed it is pushing us deeper in.
For the most straight-talking expose on AIG, Cassano, and the whole stinking mess see the article entitled, ‘The Big Takeover’, by Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone dated 03/19/2009.
Hugh, I left a request for you back at the Maxine Waters diary, but in effect I asked that you do a diary on this article. If you have already done so, please tell me date and whether at FDL, EW, or Oxdown. Please.
There is NO chance that Obama and his Rubinesque horde will give us ANY progressivity beyond the pittance 39% vs 36% current top rate (or whatever the pittance is paid by the royalty).
Best choice on that front would be a roll-back to rates as they were (inflation adjusted of course) PRE-Reagan.
Item 87 of my scandals list covers a lot of the same territory as Matt Taibbi’s piece. Matt’s article is much more readable. Mine was put together event by event and only goes to the end of the Bush Administration. In a previous januska post on the Taibbi article, I pointed out that it did not go into a lot of the other factors: Greenspan’s easy credit policies, stagnation in wage growth, tax advanatages for the rich, the imbalance in trade/globalization, de-industrialization, growing endebtedness, the prevalence of fraud in mortgage lending, the likelihood that all the players: the banks, the hedge funds, the private equity groups, and the pension funds are insolvent. I really liked Taibbi’s piece but there is still much more of the story to be told. Unfortunately, I do not think I have the time to do it now.
In 2007 the total value of all home mortgages was $11 trillion, according to http://www.iii.org/financial2/mortgage/mortgages/
And only a few percent of them are in default. But Obamanomics solution to a $500 billion problem is to transfer $10 trillion of taxpayer money to the wizards of Wall Street. Heck of a job, Timmy.
Thanks for another insightful post, Ian.
The only thing we haven’t seen is retroactively pulling Enron into Paulson’s plan, and putting Jeff Skilling and Ken Lay in charge of supervising the hedge fund partnerships ….. yet.
Exactly so. Did you catch the comment yesterday linking to the outstanding profile on Brooksley Born? What a difference she would have made as Fed chair from the mid 1990’s.
Well, getting paid back nominally is easy enough – run inflation, hold onto stuff long enough, and you’re good.
Profit in real terms, or even payback in real terms… less likely but not impossible. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
Some good points. Let’s just say that I find it hard to imagine that some of 12 trillion dollars is not going to show up in the real economy. Could be wrong, because yes, most of it is being poured into a very deep hole, but there are some signs that money is already going to speculation in energy prices.
No, AIG is still lynchpin. What they should do is just nationalize the damn place or at least take a 50%+1 equity stake and put their own directors/CEO in charge.
Agreed with your point that the situations are not identical — which is why I don’t think Japanification is a stable solution set for the US. But it can work for a few years, anyway.
They don’t need to raise the debt ceiling. They’re doing this through agencies off the books, as it were. The Fed can print as much money as it wants. As for the FDIC, they can loan money because they have the ability to raise premiums as well. Not sure if it’s constitutional, but I doubt anyone is going to challenge it (and it may well be, I sure don’t know enough law to say.)
Good list. I’ve covered most of that stuff in articles over the years, but never all in one piece.
No one has yet clearly and straightforwardly explained the following:
1. The exact nature and extent of the credit blockage that banks are supposedly suffering from. I understand that to the extent a bank’s capital is decreased, its loan capacity is decreased, but this reduction has not been quantified and according to the story being told, this is not the basis of the “credit freeze, especially among banks. Supposedly banks aren’t lending to each other because of fear of not being repaid because the borrowing banks may be insolvent and can’t repay their loans. No examples of this are being given. What is the real extent of this?
2. The plans also assume that buying the bad assets from some banks will cause credit to flow. What is the mechanism by which this is supposed to happen? What if, as most seem to acknowledge, businesses aren’t borrowing because they don’t see a current, profitable opportunity to use borrowed funds, i.e. if, like the drop in GDP, this is demand driven, not supply driven?
3. What is the empirical support for not allowing the banks and larger firms to enter a bankruptcy reorganization or insovency proceeding — and have the Govt give aid inside of those processes, where concessions can be mandated of all parties? I believe using these time tested vehicles will show how serious the govt is, not the opposite.
4. Why not have the govt do directly what it wants to do, versus taking a two or multi-step approach? E.g., it want to get banks to lend to each other directly, well guarantee a certain amount of overnight lending — don’t buy assets (step 1) so the banks will lend themselves (step 2). This is a cover to help bail out the shareholders and management of the banks. This is but one example of how, in these sorts of circumstances, an individual or individual firm’s best interests don’t match the best interests of the country as a whole.
These are not questions that are too complicated to be answered — it’s just that no one seems to have demanded answers, rather we’ve just be accepting as valid the assertions of those demanding the bailout or dire consequences will prevail. Note: I’m not advocating not taking action — only that there be a clear and complete explanation of the basis for the action.
Using 1-3 above, and taking our time, would give us time to discover the real facts about the assets, let those who should bear the loss do so without unnecessary taxpayer expense, and send a message that the govt will be honest and transparent in what it does.
I know some of these actions may need to tempered sometimes to account for mass psychology, but the underlying questions must be answered.
Ron Feinman
Lynchburg, VA
If you want to understand Geithner’s plan and why it will fail
spend time reading this:
”First note that the public sector as a whole (Treasury plus FDIC) is at risk for $78 out of a total investment of $84. The public sector has the same upside as the private sector (through its $6 worth of equity). However, the private sector gets this upside by putting only $6 at risk, against the public sector’s $84 at risk. Small wonder the stock markets loved this. If there were a stock market for taxpayer equity, it would have tanked by a commensurate amount.”
http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/…..ad-legacy-
assets-programs-of-the-us-treasury-surreptiously-
squeezing-the-tax-payer-and-the-fed-until-the-ppips-squeek/
The other important point in the essay is that the bulk of the funding is supposed to come from the FDIC, which has very little money right now. FDIC has a proposal in front of Congress allowing it to borrow $500 billion from Treasury. So in essence, what’s disguised as ”FDIC leverage” is really taxpayer funding. The biggest issue in the whole Geithner steal-from-taxpayers-give-to-banks plan is what will be the price paid for these toxic assets. Goldman Sachs put out a study last night showing most banks are still substantially marked way too high on their books (I didn’t need the GS study, I’ve looked at many balance sheets and concluded the banks are over marked by at least 50% on most assets). If true market prices are paid, the banks still have massive mark-downs and losses coming. If phoney prices are paid because it’s just the stupid taxpayer’s money, then this is wholesale theft by Geithner/Bernanke/Obama and Wall Street.
Ian, one thing I’ve been wanting to ask you throughout all of your insightful articles is, what is an ordinary person to do? We are powerless. I have written to both my senators and received many form letter responses. I have called the offices of Congressional representatives and those in our state legislature.
What can ordinary people do to protect themselves financially and physically? I mean, I’m worried about my job, the economy, my savings, my retirement savings, all of it. I know there’s nothing I can do electorally. What can I do personally? What are YOU doing? I think everyone here is wondering.