NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH: Lots of shots of decomposing bodies, skeletons and such. Plus frank discussion of postmortem facts.
Please stay on topic–in this case, forensics, death, the American way of dealing with funerals, bodies, etc. As usual, no ad hominem attacks, and try to keep the language as clean as you can. Thanks!
Welcome Ben Fasman and Alix Lambert, Producers of The Body Farm.
Meet Dr. William Bass, a warm, grandfatherly guy who is the caretaker of the field laboratory of the University of Tennessee’s Anthropological Research Facility. There donated bodies are left to decay as students study their states of decomposition, adding to the annals of forensic science.
As Dr. Bass explains, the popularity of shows such as CSI has given jurors a false understanding of the mechanics of forensic science. But the Masters and PhD students at Body Farm, located just outside of Knoxville, Tennessee keep developing new technology that outpaces television, like studying the decay of bodies under cement to a decomposition sniffing machine.
Death at the Body Farm is dealt with in a matter of fact way, and the bodies are seen as valuable tools. It is important for the criminal justice system that such place exists, and important for us to realize there is just as much dignity for these corpses as at any funeral service. And more use for them, really. It’s actually a really green way to deal with remains. No watering of cemetery lawns, no expensive upkeep, no smoke, no ashes.
And yes, you can donate your body to the UT Anthropological Research Facility—only odds are your bones will not end up as some skeleton hanging in a class room. Most likely your earthy remains will be fed to maggots, possibly wrapped in a tarp or buried under cement, providing weeks, if not years, of valuable instruction for scientists, and hopefully helping to either save an innocent or condemn the guilty by providing a tool to discover key evidence.



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Tonight we have the producers of Body Farm, an oddly upbeat documentary on the study of forensics Body Farm. Welcome Alix Lambert and Ben Fasman! I loved Body Farm and look forward to doing the green thing and donating my corpse there.
Hi Lisa, thanks for the welcome, happy to talk about the piece.
Happy to be here. Thank you for having us. Alix
My first question is a grisly-ish one…did it smell weird there–I had rats die in my attic and it was a unique and instinctively recognizable scent. Lucky it dissipated pretty quickly
Hi Alix and Ben, how did you come to making this documentary?
and also how did you overcome the squeamish factor?
It’s one thing to see teeVe depictions of corpses, quite another to face the real thing.
I had been around dead bodies before. I made a documentary on Russian prisons and the first day of shooting was in the morgue. So, I knew what to expect as far as the smell – yes, it smells like death.
I went to “The Body Farm” a few years ago to interview Bill Bass for my book: Crime, which Ben worked with me on in an editorial capacity. I had been interested in filming there and Ben had the idea to pitch it to VBS.
Alix actually introduced me to the material through another project we worked on together, so I’ll let her talk about how she discovered it. And Lisa: yes, there was indeed a distinct smell. It had just rained when we were there and a lot of the bodies were under plastic. But it definitely is a scent that, as you said, is pretty recognizable and immediate.
BTW – just a tip – when I was in the morgue it was suggested I chew gum – helps with the smell ….
Hi Ben and Alix -
How do Dr. and Bass and his students decide under what conditions they will decompose a newly-acquired body?
How long ago did he start the place?
And do they have any problems getting bodies?
I so want to donate mine there..let me rot for the greater good!
They work with police and FBI and researchers – they might decide on a scenario that mirrors a case that has not been solved (body found in the trunk of a car – does it decompose more slowly? that kind of thing) – or they might be working on a specific aspect of the decomposition process, for example the man-made “sniffer” that Arpad Vass has developed.
Confession: Patricia Cornwell is a guilty pleasure of mine…
Welcome Ben & Alix
Aside from maggots to they have other carrion eaters there–buzzards, beetles, etc, nature in her gory glory? Are buzzards even an issue?
The squeamish factor – and Alix you may have a different take on this – but Dr Bass and his staff seemed so excited and interested in their work, and the work that they were doing seemed so fascinating to me, that the dead bodies didn’t seem such a grizzly obstacle to overcome, if that makes sense. The work of a forensic anthropologist, while seemingly narrow in scope, really requires an incredibly broad approach: if a body is found on a riverbank, you have to learn about tides. If it’s found in the desert, you have to research whatever insects / organisms might contribute to its decomposition. If it’s stuck in a car, you have to learn how a body decomposes in the sun versus the shade, etc. You have to know about that gasses that a body gives off in different stages of decompositions under a variety of different conditions. It takes a pretty immense knowledge of a great number of sciences to be truly skilled at the job, and Dr Bass is one of the best in the field.
The facility was started in the 70’s. Initially they would used unclaimed bodies and they did not have the number and variety of bodies that they would like. But now there is a long list of people who have requested that their body be donated to the Farm when they die.
I’m more the skeleton in the back of the third grade classroom type, actually. (Can dress up for holidays that way ;)
I watched your extraordinary film this weekend. This certainly wasn’t what I thought “donating your body to science” meant. I guess I thought my skeleton would end up in some classroom. Anyway, is there ever any respectful disposition of the remains, or do “individuals” stay there forever?
Also, I was quite disturbed at the out-of-place legbone the Doc kicked back into place. Is there any effort to keep larger-than-maggot predators off the grounds?
Thanks for an amazing movie about a topic that seems so tidy on CSI!
There are all sorts of “critters” as Dr. Bass refers to them, that come and investigate/nibble on the bodies. There are night cameras that catch a lot of this activity on film.
Patricia Cornwell wrote a book called The Body Farm, which I loved. I just think it’s cool that forensic scientists have a place to go to learn the order in which insects populate a corpse, what degloving looks like (is that the right term for the skin slipping off the body?),
Does Dr. Bill have a problem with trespassers? I wonder if any UT fraternities have hazings at The Farm?
Can DNA samples be obtained from bones, or does there have to be some other flesh remaining?
I’m not sure about buzzards, I can’t remember any mention of them, but there were definitely “critters” mentioned quite a bit. They mentioned raccoons and squirrels, although Dr Bass said raccoons are the biggest offenders at the Farm. They have night vision cameras installed throughout the farm to monitor the “visitors” that the bodies get at night.
I was fascinated by the gas sniffing device to measure what was given off at what point and also the decomp under cement master’s thesis. it seems like a lot of science to help the justice system convict worngdoers and free the innocent starts there.
I’m glad you pointed out how “tidy” things seem on CSI. Because I find what really goes on in the world of forensic science infinitely more interesting than what they make up (esp. computer programs that do not exist) on television. Why would anyone write fiction that is so dull when the truth is so remarkable? oh – sorry, I am supposed to be answering questions, not asking them ….
It struck me that the particular geographic, foliage, and weather patterns of eastern Tennessee might be limiting; how does that locale provide expertise about desert decomp, or ocean decomp, for instance?
yeah that was pretty interesting. I do wonder if a dog could actually find a civil war corpse tho
In the wilderness that would be an actual scene, the raccoons and so on, so it’s great they can monitor them and learn more. Critters have ot eat..though knowing they eat dead bodies might make the folks who are now eating raccoon as game meat reconsider!
Lisa – The “sniffer” that you are referring to was developed by Arpad Vass who was recently much in the news because his expertise were put to use in the Caylee Anthony case.
wow..awesome..Caylee’s body vs old pizza. And it seems like body won out over the pepperoni.
Teddy -Yes, Dr. Bass would like to see other facilities in regions with very different climates. So far a few have been attempted but none that are fully operational yet …
body always wins out over pepperoni! – I’ve found ….
Despite my seemingly callous response re Caylee, I am glad there is technology like that to help uncover the truth. When was Vass’ device invented and has it been used before in such a way that it wont be disputed 00i rcll how “new”DNA seemed during OJ trial
Teddy, yes, you’re absolutely right, the eastern Tennessee climate is certainly not universal. In Dr Bass’ case, he’s been doing this for a long time. In one of his books (I highly recommend checking out “Death’s Acre”, which details his history) he talks about finding a Native American burial site. They knew that there was a large burial ground somewhere in a particular area, but couldn’t find it. Until they found a particular breed of ant, and found that the ants had been breaking down what was left of the bones and using them in their anthills. To the ants, it was just another piece of earth that they were using, but to Dr Bass and his team, once they discovered them, it meant everything about finding this burial site. So I think a lot of it is trial and error for them.
Lisa – your response does not seem callous. One has to have humor – seriously. I’m not actually sure how much this new technology has been used in open cases.
it’s amazing how much of the story the bones can tell
So does the rate of decomposition of muscle differ from that of fat? Does Dr. Bass request different types of bodies (i.e., athletic, obese, large-boned, old, young, etc.) so the decomposition rates can be studied and compared?
Yes, the dead do tell tales. It’s a whole language that is spoken only by a few. I find it endlessly fascinating.
Dr. Bass and the scientists he works with are interested in as much variety as possible in regards to what kind of corpse they are studying. They have, for example, not had as many of certain ethnicities as they would like in order to make comparisons.
Dogs’ noses are much, more sensitive than we can really conceive of. I would be very surprised if we developed a machine as sensitive as a dog’s sense of smell.
I have read a lot about Victoria mourning culture and actually wrote a long piece about it for a religious history magazine. In the US, especially the dead became so fetishized in the late 1880s–the parody in the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn really hits the mark, and we have soooo held on to that–in many ways we havent changed from those tribes which had elaborate rituals. And I find the Body Farm really wholesome and honest about death…like the spirit leave flesh stays, lets get on with it–BTW the Hebrew word for body is “goof” so I kinda see that a like why worry about the fleshy bits
With the increase in people donating their bodies to the facility – they have had an increased variety of what kind of body they are studying and how the body type effects the rate of decomposition.
So Ben, doesn’t it seem like there should be labs all over the country to study the different biospheres?
That kicking of the legbone did seem disrespectful.
Lisa – I would be very interested in reading the piece you wrote. Dr. Bass points out that “we are not a culture of death” we pretty much hide everything that “happens” to a body from the moment that the person dies until they are either buried or cremated. And there is no reason to shroud it in such fear – there is no reason for people not to understand what happens to the body when it dies.
And as far as young vs old, when we were there, I didn’t see any young (and I mean children) bodies in the outdoor facility, but there were a few skeletons of children in the bone lab (they have the largest single collection of bones in north america – am i getting that right, Alix?). And there’s definitely a variety of preservation as well. Lisa, you mentioned fetishization of death and surrounding rituals: there was a body that was there that had been embalmed, and it was a Latina female (one of the very few they had there), and it had been at the outdoor facility for a long time, but looked more intact than many of the other bodies. I actually have a photo or two of it on my computer, but my site isn’t taking uploads (will try to figure it out and post a link if possible).
Nah. Lobsters eat dead organisms too.
hi Loo Hoo -
I just wan to come to the defense of Dr. Bass. I can’t imagine anyone having more respect for the the people both dead and alive that he works with.
Ben – yes, you got that all right … very few children, I guess not surprisingly.
You are right, Alix – there is no reason why the one condition that happens to every living thing should be so shrouded in fear and so avoided, but some people take their dead pets to taxidermists so they can appear in death as they were in life. and life after death is part of soem religions, so I think that for many people it is easier just to avoid thinking about decomposing bodies.
Indeed there should be. The reality of making those things happen is difficult, though. Getting a mayor or governor to sanction a patch of land to let a bunch of bodies decompose doesn’t always do wonders for the re-election stats. :) (and ditto for getting universities to sell that to the “development” team)
But I understand that there are quite a few underway across the country, and i know that there are sizeable bone collections in various parts of the world. Dr Bass was fortunate in finding a university and a local government who was willing to help him (he was the Chief Forensic Examiner for the state of Tennessee for many years).
Sal – I think it’s interesting how differently we treat pets from people. We are often heard saying “I had to put him out of his misery” regarding a horse, or family dog, but it seems we still value the length of a person’s life over the quality.
Death is a great opportunity to honor a person’s memory and their life, but to hold this weird respect for the body..I dont get it. Tough I would have my dog stuffed. I liek taxidermy, but then again I like collect memento moi and visit graveyards and stuff so it’s a specific asthetic
The National Academy of Science just released a report about the osrry condition of forensics and forensic labs in this country. The committee that wrote the report called for national standards for forensic labs, rigorous training for forensic scientists, and other standards taht would make forensic information truly reliable. Perhaps body farms in different areas of the country would now make sense and be funded by new forensic initiatives.
(tangential, i suppose, but on the notion quality vs length of a person’s life: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03…..tml?ref=us)
I definitely agree that celebrating the life is the best way to honor the dead. I attended a service this past summer for a dear friend who died and he had specifically requested that everyone wear hawaiian shirts and lei’s. He loved Hawaii and couldn’t stand the idea of all his friends standing around in black outfits looking dour (sp.?)
and while we’re dropping links here’s Alix’s book that ben worked on as well
http://www.amazon.com/Crime-Al…..038;sr=8-1
Ben and Alix (and Lisa),
When can we begin discussing death with dignity? I prefer not to live my final years in diapers with no cognition.
I know that the new body farms are slowly but surely moving forward and it is only a matter of time before there will be more excellent facilities.
Ben – I hadn’t seen that article. Thanks for finding it.
That’s the first I had heard of that report, thanks for bringing it to my attention, Sal! I think it’s wonderful: the practical applications of having a standardized, up-to-date set of criteria for licensed forensic labs are staggering, in the criminal justice system, the classroom and beyond.
Loo Hoo – I agree wholeheartedly. Give me the shorter more dignified life over the long slow deterioration – please.
Loo Hoo, I thik death wiht dignity is at some point the responsibilty of the individual AND the medical system Too many things KEEP people alive wiht no quality of life…I am my aunt’s guardian she is 94 wiht minimal cognitin can barley speak cant do anything for herself…she wa son hospice but got “well” enough they took her off. My mom refused treatment for her terminal cancer andlived as long or longer than if she’d had the surgery…hospice is blessing. But yu have to work hard or be really sick ot ge tit
When my mother died, she had made all the arrangements to be cremated and she was gone, cremated and the ashes returned and buried before my brother, sister, and I made it into town.
It took a lot of the folks in my small hometown aback though, as it was not an option most would have thought of doing.
Me, I think donating the shell that was me is a good idea.
I read it too, in 2002. It’s one of the few whodunits I actually remember because of the unique setting.
I think (and pardon much of my typing) that we should have the rihgt ot say no to meds ..form high blood pressure ot tranqs ot whatever else were are given as we age.
not to mention the exponential cost both financial and emotional that the extended life has put on the next generation. Unfortunately we have learned how to keep people alive longer – but, with some exceptions, not healthier. So now when someone gets Alzheimer’s for example they might have it for 30 years rather than 5 – which is an extraordinary strain on their families.
Loo Hoo and Alix: agreed. And in the event that my body can be used to aid (read: being used for study at a facility like the Body Farm) in the cases of people whose lives ended suddenly and without explanation, well that’s just icing on the proverbial cake.
This is the link to the National Academy of Science’s report on forensics:
http://www8.nationalacademies……rdID=12589
Personally, I abhor the idea of being embalmed, made up, and sealed in a casket inside a metal box. I want to decompose naturally and return to the dust from which I’m made. This has been a very contentious issue with my family, since my stepfather is a mortician! LOL I’ve felt this way since I read “The American Way of Death” as a teenager many years ago. After volunteering for Hospice for a few years and experiencing death up close and personal I no longer fear death or corpses. Perfectly natural. It’s the after care that gives me the heebie jeebies….
Great work and a fascinating film!
Living wills are imperative and should include f people care to have it “no sustaining me f I have Alzheimer’s” But there is A LOT of money to be mad ein Rxs and health care for the elderly
I know .. Lisa, sometimes when I hear advertisements say “well, this medication raises the risk of heart attack” or some such … I think well, maybe I would rather feel good and then suddenly have a heart attack than die from whatever disease the said medication would be treating …
Dr. Bass writes his books with Jon Jefferson and is now writing fiction (about the guy who runs the Body Farm) under the name of Jefferson Bass. I have read 2 and they are good books. And funny.
I highly recommend reading Mary Roach’s book: Stiff
It’s non-fiction about all the things that can happen to a corpse that has been donated to science.
Exactly Alix. And BTW, the funeral indusrty is a super high cost scam too…even cremation is expensive..and scattering ashes can be illegal in many places (a valet parking guy stole my mom’s out of my car!)
Well Lisa, I think you just hit the nail on the head – it’s big business keeping people alive. There is huge money in drugs and all that attends to a dying or sick person – as long as there is money to be made it is an uphill battle.
No drugs? Shit, give me morphine patches to my heart’s content. I’ve decided that’s the way to go.
Hi Twain -
Jon deserves a huge shout out here. He assisted me in arranging my first trip to the farm and interview with Dr. Bass and he helped Ben and myself enormously on this more recent trip. He is Dr. Bass’ right hand both as collaborative writers and also in helping Dr. Bass with his crazy schedule, public speaking engagements etc. I cannot say enough good things about Jon. None of this would have been accomplished w/o his help.
LooHoo, yes..I concur, just not the high blood pressure heart meds etc. But then I am single, no kids…so really not an issue. I suppose for people who have close family ties they would want to hang out longer…
Lisa – I cannot believe that someone stole your mom!
And Loo Hoo – there is a club comprised of a few of my friends and myself that have penciled in our spiral in to drug addiction just as soon as we are no longer able to enjoy and engage in life.
yeah – I don’t have kids either – there is some line in the movie Celebration about how once you have kids suicide is off the table. I’ll have to find the exact quote.
I have three children and -so far – one grandchild, and I would rather not have my children and grandchildren ina constant state of worry over my deteriorating condition. Also, I would not want them to remember me as very ill and incapacitated, so I would rather take the drugs, avoid the pain, and spare my family the emotional trauma of watching a loved one die. Just get it over with!
ALix, yeah I guess the valet though she was a box of shoes or something. Once he rippedd her boxes open and got to the urn and saw it was ashes (and hoefullly did/not taste to see if it was coke), he left her in a park where a gardener found her and called the cops who tracke dher down through the stickers on the urn…suffice ot say it is the REAL version of the urban legend about grany dying and getitng wraed up and put on top of the car and the car getting stolen
I want to hang out as long as life is good. My kids and friends have been directed to GET ME THE DRUGS when it’s time to go. I just want a legal way so they can’t be charged with murder.
I think you’re right.
My mother has let all know that she has arranged to have her body donated to a university teaching hospital to be used for dissection. I am both proud of her, because I know there is often a shortage of cadavers for this purpose and medical students really need to work with real human bodies. At the same time, this summons images that are not easy to deal with. I wonder how it is for the families of those who decide to contribute their remains to this kind of work.
wow Lisa, what a story. My mom had a friend whose colonoscopy bag was stolen at the opera – his girlfriend had taken it to the bathroom to empty it during intermission and it had a special velvet covering so it wouldn’t look so much like what it was … I guess those thieves were in for a surprise when they opened that “purse.”
That seems like the most loving response that a family member could have. If you truly love your kids, why would you want them to keep you alive as an incapacitated shell of what you once were? Not me for me to judge, and not meaning to pass judgement on anyone else for their beliefs, but I’m in the same boat. I don’t have kids, but I have siblings and a family, and I would never want them to spend years of their lives worrying over me when I couldn’t even go out and experience the world, much less make them laugh, steal their food out of their refrigerator or leave messes around their apartment for them to clean up. You know, all the things that loving family members do.
Japandrew – I think it has to be the decision of the person who is the body – and hopefully the family members will respect whatever decision is made and maybe, like you, be proud of whatever they decide.
Agree. Our kids will have enough problems without worrying about what to do with an incapacitated parent. How is it that the religious nuts have power over my wishes.
I do have it in writing that I don’t want extreme measures to keep me alive, but who will actually make the determination? I just want someone to be able to say that if I am brain dead, I’m dead.
….I did not mean colonoscopy above – wrong word, what is the word I am looking for? anyone?
Loo Hoo, in CA it’s a durable medical power, you cna have DNR (do not resussitate) and also DO A LIVING WILL and spell it out
colostomy, ALix. And really one would rather the OSCOPY than OSTOMY
Thank you Lisa – my mind went blank – how embarrassing.
It’s a real treat to have you both here. Where can we see the movie? And when?
I think you just block it out and know that she’s providing a service even in death. The alternative is nothing.
BodyFarm is on vbs.tv
http://www.vbs.tv/video.php?id=13956976001
Vice TV is great and has many cutting edge docs, last month we showed Garbage Island from them
it’s a treat to be here. thank you.
Food for thought:
Sky burial or ritual dissection was once a common funerary practice in Tibet wherein a human corpse is cut into small pieces and placed on a mountaintop, exposing it to the elements or the mahabhuta and animals – especially to birds of prey. In Tibetan the practice is known as jhator (Tibetan: བྱ་གཏོར་; Wylie: bya gtor), which literally means, “giving alms to the birds.”
The majority of Tibetans adhere to Buddhism, which teaches rebirth. There is no need to preserve the body, as it is now an empty vessel. Birds may eat it, or nature may let it decompose. So the function of the sky burial is simply the disposal of the remains. In much of Tibet the ground is too hard and rocky to dig a grave, and with fuel and timber scarce, a sky burial is often more practical than cremation.
Thank you all! Let’s discuss this uncomfortable topic again.
Thanks for the comment Twain, it’s been a real pleasure discussing the piece. I mean, decomposing bodies, assisted suicide, colostomy bags and morphine patches? This takes the cake as one of the more spirited conversations I’ve had all year.
I think you’re right. Thanks.
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My father donated his body to science as well. The entire family was in agreement with his wishes.
On a philosophical/Buddhist level, I think there is a deep connection between having become a civilization that no longer looks at the intimate realities of death, consigning it to sanitized and cordoned off places, and the massiveness of the violence we inflict on the world.
One problem now in Indian and Tibet is the decline in vulture populatin because of antibioitcs fed to cows..wrecks havoc on the birds. The decline in vultures also impacts the funeral practices of the Zoroastrians who do sky funerals too
I have heard – but don’t know whether it is true – that there is a Native American custom of burying just the head upside down underground and planting a tree inside so a tree will grow out of your head and be fed by you. If it’s not true – don’t tell me, because i think it is such a nice thought.
Assuming you are of Japanese ancestry, I do know how difficult this must be for you. I had a Japanese boyfriend for two years, and have some understanding of the wonderful respect you have for your elders. But…it’s 2009, and you are on top of it, drew.
Lisa, you are an amazing font of information – such a pleasure!
The Celts would put shoes on the wrong feet of corpses so they wouldn;t walk back for the underworld. It is our recognition that we die that really spawned religious pracitces..neanderthals decorated graves so the after life was an idea even then..and from that I feel comes religion.
Dearly beloved, we must relinquish soon our ties to this place and say our fond farewells to our guests!
Thank you Alix and Ben and pups for an awesome and thought provoking discussion
This was very interesting, thanks!
I really hate to say goodbye. I will definitely come back to explore some other topics. Thank you so much for having us.
if you havent seen Body farm yet, click on over to vbs.tv and check it out and do spend some time wiht Alix’s book CRIME, whihc is gtting added to my BUY IT FOR ME list on amazon asap!
Japandrew, this comment is right on, and a great point. We do section death off in the most constrained places, bury our dead with the most minimal of rituals, yet are de-sensitized to it on so many other levels. You spoke of a Buddhist perspective: practicing detachment and being as present as you can in the moment allows you to accept death at any time, or at least not have this vast and untamable fear of it that we seem to have.
Thanks Lisa, and thank you to everyone that commented. All of us that worked on this are proud of it and glad you all got something out of it.
To expand on your comment one teeny bit further;
I think we’d make different life-or-death decisions were we to be more familiar with death. In other words, we’d probably make less bad ones, and more good ones if we actually knew what the hell we were talking about.
Late to the thread, but it was a fascinating read.
My late neighbor donated her body somewhere, I’m not sure if it was the Body Farm. She couldn’t see paying good money to be put in a box, so her remains were donated. Then her son got her ashes back several months later and it was sort of fresh grief for him…that’s a downside. I like the idea of this for myself.
PS Loo Hoo get DNR tattooed on your left tit.;)
Japan is my adopted culture, having lived here many years. I wish I could say I see what you felt regarding respect for elders reflected in the realities of daily life in Tokyo…
Hara Setsuko as the daughter-in-law who cares more sincerely for her late (killed the war) husband’s parents than their biological children. From Ozu’s Tokyo Story…
Oh my, Japandrew. This is surprising.
Maybe the whole world is seeing death as an honorable part of life.
On that point, there is an effort to develop a “Body Farm” in Chico, California…this after the NIMBY factor shut down a nascent effort at UC Davis.
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/content?oid=459061
And someone asked if DNA can be obtained from bone. Yes it can, although heat and bacterial action can impact its preservation. But usually the techniques used are powerful enough to obtain enough DNA unless a body has been several years gone. Burial actually removes some of the heat degradation. Another interesting technique is the extraction of amino acids from the body. Different amino acids degrade at certain regular rates related to temperature, Thus if one knew a temperature range in a particular climate one might be able to assess when a body was “dumped” in that climate. Of course that requires field testing to hold up in court.
One more point…much of the information obtained from Body Farms is applicable to understanding the circumstances of death of our ancient ancestors. We can see whether certain tooth marks are from different animals; whether the bones have been picked over by scavengers; if death was from disease, old age or blunt-force trauma. The latter is particularly important since, in the past many interpretations of fossil hominids were falsely attributed to things like cannibalism (when it was a predator), or murder (when it was simply natural breakage from a stone putting pressure on the bone with sediment overburden). Taphonomy, the science of fossilization, has a recursively cooperative interaction with the Forensic Anthropologists.
Let’s hope so…
Thanks for answering my question about DNA in bone! :-)
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