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	<title>Comments on: IDF Fashion Report: T-Shirts are IN; Ethics are OUT</title>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/idf-fashion-report-t-shirts-are-in-ethics-are-out/#comment-1862825</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t think that they did it because they wanted to resettle in Gaza and I don’t think that it’s going to help them in any way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t think that they did it because they wanted to resettle in Gaza and I don’t think that it’s going to help them in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/idf-fashion-report-t-shirts-are-in-ethics-are-out/#comment-1862814</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does this mean you don’t think Israeli intents/desires for West Bank settlements and resources domination are connected with Israeli conduct in Gaza against Hamas? That sending in IDF/IAF to death deal,rain destruction and rip Gaza up is not connected with Israeli West Bank activities or desired outcomes?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or do you think Israel attacks Gaza and kills Gazans because the likudniks and zealots plan on giving up West Bank Israeil settlements? IDF attacked Gaza and kills Gazan innocents and children because Israeli likudniks and zealots are confused over/about how getting rid of Hamas or making Gaza more of a hellhole prison cage then it already was/is is not about Israeli West Bank settlement colonization?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What then do you think Israelis attacked Gaza over or for? Live target practice and aerial bombing targeting contests?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean you don’t think Israeli intents/desires for West Bank settlements and resources domination are connected with Israeli conduct in Gaza against Hamas? That sending in IDF/IAF to death deal,rain destruction and rip Gaza up is not connected with Israeli West Bank activities or desired outcomes?</p>
<p>Or do you think Israel attacks Gaza and kills Gazans because the likudniks and zealots plan on giving up West Bank Israeil settlements? IDF attacked Gaza and kills Gazan innocents and children because Israeli likudniks and zealots are confused over/about how getting rid of Hamas or making Gaza more of a hellhole prison cage then it already was/is is not about Israeli West Bank settlement colonization?</p>
<p>What then do you think Israelis attacked Gaza over or for? Live target practice and aerial bombing targeting contests?</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/idf-fashion-report-t-shirts-are-in-ethics-are-out/#comment-1862793</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t think that the Israelis would attack Gaza “to create favorable colonization conditions”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think that the Israelis would attack Gaza “to create favorable colonization conditions”</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/idf-fashion-report-t-shirts-are-in-ethics-are-out/#comment-1862781</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Israeli zealots/likudniks are attempting to put in place across West Bank,Gaza and have tried more than once in southern Lebanon what is more akin to naked colonialism. This oddly is not being framed this way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps this is the kernel of reasoning that brings WashingtonDC to permit and promote Israeli expansionism being WashingtonDC has a long history of doing this very same thing.Westward expansion of United States premised on repeated treaty making,breaking,pushing off Native Americans or killing them off to gain the next piece of “open territory” for exploitation,land and resource grabs and imposed white man settlement. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israeli conduct in Gaza again more akin to U.S.Army documented conduct of 19th century towards Native Indians. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is not in error to conclude Israeli zealots were glad to see U.S.armed forces move into Iraq and put Iraqis into full tailspin of sectarian and political mayhem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is not in error to conclude Israeli zealots would be very pleased to see American armed forces move into Iran and cause Iranian society and economy to be blown apart. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel has become something very 17th thru 19th century colonial like in inclination,goals,conduct and expectations. What IDF/IAF did in Gaza and to innocent Gazans under the paper thin guise of going after Hamas is much more about expunging Gazans to create favorable colonialization conditions then is being admitted to or talked about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More and more it is becoming dubious to think WashingtonDC is going to stop Israel from being what Israel has become. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel is headed towards some kind of mutated South Africa styled status that will prove not sustainable. Even South Africa then not having the clash of relgion factors found in Palestine,Israel and Jerusalem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There will be more bloodshed.In killing Gazan families,children and white flag showing civilians Israel has now shown us who the real monster is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For Israel to win Israel becomes such a human rights abusing monster the win becomes pyrrhic and tragic. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like so much of historic colonialism outcome.Tibet being the other post WW2 example of this scale of colonialism conduct found in 20th century. These are not happy beginning or ending stories.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Israeli zealots/likudniks are attempting to put in place across West Bank,Gaza and have tried more than once in southern Lebanon what is more akin to naked colonialism. This oddly is not being framed this way.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is the kernel of reasoning that brings WashingtonDC to permit and promote Israeli expansionism being WashingtonDC has a long history of doing this very same thing.Westward expansion of United States premised on repeated treaty making,breaking,pushing off Native Americans or killing them off to gain the next piece of “open territory” for exploitation,land and resource grabs and imposed white man settlement. </p>
<p>Israeli conduct in Gaza again more akin to U.S.Army documented conduct of 19th century towards Native Indians. </p>
<p>It is not in error to conclude Israeli zealots were glad to see U.S.armed forces move into Iraq and put Iraqis into full tailspin of sectarian and political mayhem.</p>
<p>It is not in error to conclude Israeli zealots would be very pleased to see American armed forces move into Iran and cause Iranian society and economy to be blown apart. </p>
<p>Israel has become something very 17th thru 19th century colonial like in inclination,goals,conduct and expectations. What IDF/IAF did in Gaza and to innocent Gazans under the paper thin guise of going after Hamas is much more about expunging Gazans to create favorable colonialization conditions then is being admitted to or talked about.</p>
<p>More and more it is becoming dubious to think WashingtonDC is going to stop Israel from being what Israel has become. </p>
<p>Israel is headed towards some kind of mutated South Africa styled status that will prove not sustainable. Even South Africa then not having the clash of relgion factors found in Palestine,Israel and Jerusalem.</p>
<p>There will be more bloodshed.In killing Gazan families,children and white flag showing civilians Israel has now shown us who the real monster is.</p>
<p>For Israel to win Israel becomes such a human rights abusing monster the win becomes pyrrhic and tragic. </p>
<p>Like so much of historic colonialism outcome.Tibet being the other post WW2 example of this scale of colonialism conduct found in 20th century. These are not happy beginning or ending stories.</p>
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		<title>By: sjk303</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/idf-fashion-report-t-shirts-are-in-ethics-are-out/#comment-1862777</link>
		<dc:creator>sjk303</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To some degree, isn’t this just the nature of war: to dehumanize one’s enemies so they can be killed more easily and with justification? I am afraid that this situation is simply going to get worse, as both sides frame this conflict in the unerring, uncompromising, lens of religious calling. During the conflict Israeli solders were presented literature &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelis-told-to-fight-holy-war-in-gaza-1650616.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stating&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;“We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the Gentiles who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land.”&lt;/i&gt; Hamas, of course, believes they too are fighting a religious war to recapture and purify their lands.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Glen Greenwald has pointed out, what should, and must, horrify us is the fact that our country is supporting and funding these conflicts. Our government has inserted itself into one side of, what is now becoming, a religious war. A war which will inevitably lead to genocide.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To some degree, isn’t this just the nature of war: to dehumanize one’s enemies so they can be killed more easily and with justification? I am afraid that this situation is simply going to get worse, as both sides frame this conflict in the unerring, uncompromising, lens of religious calling. During the conflict Israeli solders were presented literature <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelis-told-to-fight-holy-war-in-gaza-1650616.html" rel="nofollow">stating</a>: <i>“We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the Gentiles who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land.”</i> Hamas, of course, believes they too are fighting a religious war to recapture and purify their lands.  </p>
<p>As Glen Greenwald has pointed out, what should, and must, horrify us is the fact that our country is supporting and funding these conflicts. Our government has inserted itself into one side of, what is now becoming, a religious war. A war which will inevitably lead to genocide.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This isn’t exactly new behavior for the IDF.  In an  October 30, 2001 NPR interview NYT journalist Chris Hedges said:&lt;/p&gt;
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          And I walked out towards the dunes and they were–the–over the loudspeaker from an Israeli army Jeep on the other side of the electric fence they were taunting these kids. And these kids started to throw rocks. And most of these kids were 10, 11, 12 years old. And, first of all, the rocks were the size of a fist. They were being hurled towards a Jeep that was armor-plated. I doubt they could even hit the Jeep. And then I watched the soldiers open fire. And it was–I mean, I’ve seen kids shot in Sarajevo. I mean, snipers would shoot kids in Sarajevo. I’ve seen death squads kill families in Algeria or El Salvador. But I’d never seen soldiers bait or taunt kids like this and then shoot them for sport. It was–I just–even now, I find it almost inconceivable. And I went back every day, and every day it was the same.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hedges published a shocking article, “A Gaza Diary,” in the October 2001 issue of Harpers, which is reprinted here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/011001_hedges.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bintjbeil.com/artic.....edges.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, as a means of ethnic cleansing, &lt;strong&gt;terror works,&lt;/strong&gt; e.g., per the Wikipedia:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
    The &lt;strong&gt;Black Line&lt;/strong&gt; was an event that occurred in 1830 in Tasmania, or Van Diemen’s Land as it was then known. After many years of conflict between British colonists and the Aborigines known as the Black War, Lieutenant-Governor George Arthur called upon every able-bodied male colonist, convict or free, to form a human chain that then swept across the settled districts, moving south and east for several weeks in an attempt to corral the Aborigines on the Tasman Peninsula […]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[It is] generally accepted that the incident shook the Aboriginal population so much that they were willing to accept the mediation of George Augustus Robinson and allow themselves to be removed to the Flinders Island settlement, where the population dwindled until repatriation to Tasmania in 1847. Marginalizing them to Flinders Island did what the Black Line failed to do - ethnically cleanse the local Aboriginal population. As a direct result, of all the Australian regions, Tasmania has very few aborigines or preserved native culture of note.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn’t exactly new behavior for the IDF.  In an  October 30, 2001 NPR interview NYT journalist Chris Hedges said:</p>
<blockquote><p>
          And I walked out towards the dunes and they were–the–over the loudspeaker from an Israeli army Jeep on the other side of the electric fence they were taunting these kids. And these kids started to throw rocks. And most of these kids were 10, 11, 12 years old. And, first of all, the rocks were the size of a fist. They were being hurled towards a Jeep that was armor-plated. I doubt they could even hit the Jeep. And then I watched the soldiers open fire. And it was–I mean, I’ve seen kids shot in Sarajevo. I mean, snipers would shoot kids in Sarajevo. I’ve seen death squads kill families in Algeria or El Salvador. But I’d never seen soldiers bait or taunt kids like this and then shoot them for sport. It was–I just–even now, I find it almost inconceivable. And I went back every day, and every day it was the same.</p>
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<p>Hedges published a shocking article, “A Gaza Diary,” in the October 2001 issue of Harpers, which is reprinted here: <a href="http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/011001_hedges.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bintjbeil.com/artic&#8230;..edges.html</a></p>
<p>And, as a means of ethnic cleansing, <strong>terror works,</strong> e.g., per the Wikipedia:</p>
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    The <strong>Black Line</strong> was an event that occurred in 1830 in Tasmania, or Van Diemen’s Land as it was then known. After many years of conflict between British colonists and the Aborigines known as the Black War, Lieutenant-Governor George Arthur called upon every able-bodied male colonist, convict or free, to form a human chain that then swept across the settled districts, moving south and east for several weeks in an attempt to corral the Aborigines on the Tasman Peninsula […]</p>
<p>[It is] generally accepted that the incident shook the Aboriginal population so much that they were willing to accept the mediation of George Augustus Robinson and allow themselves to be removed to the Flinders Island settlement, where the population dwindled until repatriation to Tasmania in 1847. Marginalizing them to Flinders Island did what the Black Line failed to do &#8211; ethnically cleanse the local Aboriginal population. As a direct result, of all the Australian regions, Tasmania has very few aborigines or preserved native culture of note.
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/idf-fashion-report-t-shirts-are-in-ethics-are-out/#comment-1862763</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;” Many Israeli troops had the sense of fighting a “religious war” against Gentiles during the 22-day offensive in Gaza, according to a soldier who has highlighted the martial role of military rabbis during the operation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The soldier testified that the “clear” message of literature distributed to troops by the rabbinate was: “We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the Gentiles who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land.” “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelis-told-to-fight-holy-war-in-gaza-1650616.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.independent.co.uk/n.....50616.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>” Many Israeli troops had the sense of fighting a “religious war” against Gentiles during the 22-day offensive in Gaza, according to a soldier who has highlighted the martial role of military rabbis during the operation.</p>
<p>The soldier testified that the “clear” message of literature distributed to troops by the rabbinate was: “We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the Gentiles who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land.” “</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelis-told-to-fight-holy-war-in-gaza-1650616.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/n&#8230;..50616.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;” The Israeli military yesterday officially condemned as “unacceptable” shocking images printed on T-shirts ordered by some soldiers to commemorate the end of their basic training or field duty. “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-military-condemns-soldiers-shocking-tshirts-1651333.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.independent.co.uk/n.....51333.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>” The Israeli military yesterday officially condemned as “unacceptable” shocking images printed on T-shirts ordered by some soldiers to commemorate the end of their basic training or field duty. “</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-military-condemns-soldiers-shocking-tshirts-1651333.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/n&#8230;..51333.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;” Regarding the statement of one soldier, who said “As much as we talk about the IDF being an army of values, let’s just say this is not the situation on the ground, not on the battalion level,” the IDF has long ceased to be an army of “values,” not on the ground, not in the battalion, not in the senior command. When an army does not investigate thousands of cases of killing over many years, the message to the soldiers is clear, and it comes from the top.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The IDF is incapable of investigating the crimes of its soldiers and commanders, and it is ridiculous to expect it to do so. These are not instances of “errant fire,” but of deliberate fire resulting from an order. These are not “a few bad apples,” but rather the spirit of the commander, and this spirit has been bad and corrupt for quite some time. “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072821.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072821.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>” Regarding the statement of one soldier, who said “As much as we talk about the IDF being an army of values, let’s just say this is not the situation on the ground, not on the battalion level,” the IDF has long ceased to be an army of “values,” not on the ground, not in the battalion, not in the senior command. When an army does not investigate thousands of cases of killing over many years, the message to the soldiers is clear, and it comes from the top.</p>
<p>The IDF is incapable of investigating the crimes of its soldiers and commanders, and it is ridiculous to expect it to do so. These are not instances of “errant fire,” but of deliberate fire resulting from an order. These are not “a few bad apples,” but rather the spirit of the commander, and this spirit has been bad and corrupt for quite some time. “</p>
<p><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072821.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072821.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/idf-fashion-report-t-shirts-are-in-ethics-are-out/#comment-1862702</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;” GAZA STRIP - “Rules of Engagement: Open fire also upon rescue,” was handwritten in Hebrew on a sheet of paper found in one of the Palestinian homes the Israel Defense Forces took over during Operation Cast Lead. A reservist officer who did not take part in the Gaza offensive believes that the note is part of orders a low-level commander wrote before giving his soldiers their daily briefing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the main themes in news reports during the Gaza operation, and which appears in many testimonies, is that IDF soldiers shot at Palestinian and Red Cross rescuers, making it impossible to evacuate the wounded and dead. As a result, an unknown number of Palestinians bled to death as others cowered in their homes for days without medical treatment, waiting to be rescued. “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072830.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072830.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>” GAZA STRIP &#8211; “Rules of Engagement: Open fire also upon rescue,” was handwritten in Hebrew on a sheet of paper found in one of the Palestinian homes the Israel Defense Forces took over during Operation Cast Lead. A reservist officer who did not take part in the Gaza offensive believes that the note is part of orders a low-level commander wrote before giving his soldiers their daily briefing.</p>
<p>One of the main themes in news reports during the Gaza operation, and which appears in many testimonies, is that IDF soldiers shot at Palestinian and Red Cross rescuers, making it impossible to evacuate the wounded and dead. As a result, an unknown number of Palestinians bled to death as others cowered in their homes for days without medical treatment, waiting to be rescued. “</p>
<p><a href="http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072830.html" rel="nofollow">http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072830.html</a></p>
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