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		<title>By: mafr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861422</link>
		<dc:creator>mafr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeh but they showed general motors didn’t they?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeh but they showed general motors didn’t they?</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamKniaz</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861330</link>
		<dc:creator>MiriamKniaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately the deck is stacked. We have no control over the money going to these criminal enterprises. The Fed is giving away another $750 billion without having to bother going through Congress. It turns out that NO ONE has any control over the Fed. Trilllions of dollars have been used to keep these companies from going under - almost as much as our totl GNP. We are way past the point of being looted - there is nothing in America left to take. They are now basically looting China.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the deck is stacked. We have no control over the money going to these criminal enterprises. The Fed is giving away another $750 billion without having to bother going through Congress. It turns out that NO ONE has any control over the Fed. Trilllions of dollars have been used to keep these companies from going under &#8211; almost as much as our totl GNP. We are way past the point of being looted &#8211; there is nothing in America left to take. They are now basically looting China.</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861296</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DING,DING,DING!We have a winner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How true about the valuation of ANY good or service.So much is perception,as opposed to reality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ergo,enter the likes of Burston,Marstellar,etc. and big bux PR ilk.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interesting that the father of modern PR was Ed Bernays-related to Freud.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I always  personally wondered,was there  gold stored in the vaults below WTC?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DING,DING,DING!We have a winner.</p>
<p>How true about the valuation of ANY good or service.So much is perception,as opposed to reality.</p>
<p>Ergo,enter the likes of Burston,Marstellar,etc. and big bux PR ilk.</p>
<p>Interesting that the father of modern PR was Ed Bernays-related to Freud.</p>
<p>I always  personally wondered,was there  gold stored in the vaults below WTC?</p>
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		<title>By: PPDCUS</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861291</link>
		<dc:creator>PPDCUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane has channelled the prescient Paddy Chayefsky (1976):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Arthur Jensen: I started as a salesman, Mr. Beale. I sold sewing machines and automobile parts, hair brushes and electronic equipment. [puts arm around Beale’s shoulders]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Arthur Jensen: They say I can sell anything. I’d like to try to sell something to *you*. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Arthur Jensen: [bellowing] &lt;strong&gt;You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it! Is that clear? You think you’ve merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case! The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU…WILL…ATONE!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Arthur Jensen: [calmly] &lt;strong&gt;Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&amp;T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those *are* the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that . . . perfect world . . . in which there’s no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Howard Beale: Why me?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Arthur Jensen: Because you’re on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Howard Beale: I have seen the face of God.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Arthur Jensen: You just might be right, Mr. Beale.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane has channelled the prescient Paddy Chayefsky (1976):</p>
<p>Arthur Jensen: I started as a salesman, Mr. Beale. I sold sewing machines and automobile parts, hair brushes and electronic equipment. [puts arm around Beale’s shoulders]</p>
<p>Arthur Jensen: They say I can sell anything. I’d like to try to sell something to *you*. </p>
<p>Arthur Jensen: [bellowing] <strong>You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it! Is that clear? You think you’ve merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case! The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU…WILL…ATONE!</strong></p>
<p>Arthur Jensen: [calmly] <strong>Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&amp;T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those *are* the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that . . . perfect world . . . in which there’s no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel.</strong></p>
<p>Howard Beale: Why me?</p>
<p>Arthur Jensen: Because you’re on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.</p>
<p>Howard Beale: I have seen the face of God.</p>
<p>Arthur Jensen: You just might be right, Mr. Beale.</p>
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		<title>By: goldstandard</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I beg to differ. Jane has been one of the true voices on this important issue and rather than the psychobabble that the MSM puts out, she has the integrity and presence to call it as she sees it and rightly so.&lt;br /&gt;
   I too would like to see Obama the agent of change succeed. However, he is making his life’s journey that much more difficult by surrounding himself with the same incompetents that have brought us to this point in time. It is time to clean our the financial rats nest that we have and get this country back on firm financial footing. If not, the rest of the world especially the new kids on the block like China and Russia with vast resource reserves will do it for us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ. Jane has been one of the true voices on this important issue and rather than the psychobabble that the MSM puts out, she has the integrity and presence to call it as she sees it and rightly so.<br />
   I too would like to see Obama the agent of change succeed. However, he is making his life’s journey that much more difficult by surrounding himself with the same incompetents that have brought us to this point in time. It is time to clean our the financial rats nest that we have and get this country back on firm financial footing. If not, the rest of the world especially the new kids on the block like China and Russia with vast resource reserves will do it for us.</p>
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		<title>By: DailyBail</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861273</link>
		<dc:creator>DailyBail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your investigative leadership on this issue has not gone unnoticed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I source all of your recent stories in my most recent post:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The Triumphant Return Of Tricky Dick(Nixon): Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner Is Still Lying And We Prove It” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dailybail.com/home/the-triumphant-return-of-tricky-dick-treasury-secretary-tim.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dailybail.com/home/the-.....y-tim.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I put in some photos of Lennon, Elvis and Nixon.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your work,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Steven&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Founder and Publisher   The Daily Bail&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane.</p>
<p>Your investigative leadership on this issue has not gone unnoticed. </p>
<p>I source all of your recent stories in my most recent post:</p>
<p>“The Triumphant Return Of Tricky Dick(Nixon): Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner Is Still Lying And We Prove It” </p>
<p><a href="http://dailybail.com/home/the-triumphant-return-of-tricky-dick-treasury-secretary-tim.html" rel="nofollow">http://dailybail.com/home/the-&#8230;..y-tim.html</a></p>
<p>I put in some photos of Lennon, Elvis and Nixon.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your work,</p>
<p>Steven</p>
<p>Founder and Publisher   The Daily Bail</p>
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		<title>By: Skilly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861272</link>
		<dc:creator>Skilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;AL, may I call you that?, I sense a lot of anger in your notes that is both unseemly, and unwarranted.&lt;br /&gt;
Criticism is not assassination. Assassination is the taking of a life. Your inaccurate use of the word cheapens its meaning. and makes you a less effective writer. It may also earn you a “troll” label, if your not careful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL, may I call you that?, I sense a lot of anger in your notes that is both unseemly, and unwarranted.<br />
Criticism is not assassination. Assassination is the taking of a life. Your inaccurate use of the word cheapens its meaning. and makes you a less effective writer. It may also earn you a “troll” label, if your not careful.</p>
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		<title>By: AlwaysaLiberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861259</link>
		<dc:creator>AlwaysaLiberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane did her own character assassination of his daughter and now she is freaked out about her own senator possibly losing his seat. I like Dodd but Jane will just have to deal with it, Dodd has been in trouble. I hope Dodd keeps his seat, but I don’t appreciate Jane distorting the truth to make it look like the Obama administration is trying to blame Dodd. This is something children do and it’s time she learned her lesson.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane did her own character assassination of his daughter and now she is freaked out about her own senator possibly losing his seat. I like Dodd but Jane will just have to deal with it, Dodd has been in trouble. I hope Dodd keeps his seat, but I don’t appreciate Jane distorting the truth to make it look like the Obama administration is trying to blame Dodd. This is something children do and it’s time she learned her lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: AlwaysaLiberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861255</link>
		<dc:creator>AlwaysaLiberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course it hasn’t worked yet, Geithner hasn’t even announced the details.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it hasn’t worked yet, Geithner hasn’t even announced the details.</p>
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		<title>By: AlwaysaLiberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/20/two-americas-two-bailouts/#comment-1861254</link>
		<dc:creator>AlwaysaLiberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know Jane, I get that you don’t like Obama but it would be nice if you stopped spreading your delusions. You can disagree with what Geithner is doing, but it’s obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that the corporate media is not on Obama’s side, and the fact that you keep claiming the Obama people are using the corporate media to put out propaganda is quite laughable and makes you look silly. The corporate media has hated everything Obama has done. Please stop with your spin or show proof that they are trying to throw Dodd and others under the bus, you haven’t done so and I don’t take you at your word considering you seem to want to tear others down. Did you move to DC because of your power complex?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Jane, I get that you don’t like Obama but it would be nice if you stopped spreading your delusions. You can disagree with what Geithner is doing, but it’s obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that the corporate media is not on Obama’s side, and the fact that you keep claiming the Obama people are using the corporate media to put out propaganda is quite laughable and makes you look silly. The corporate media has hated everything Obama has done. Please stop with your spin or show proof that they are trying to throw Dodd and others under the bus, you haven’t done so and I don’t take you at your word considering you seem to want to tear others down. Did you move to DC because of your power complex?</p>
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