The White House spin doctors are getting a lot of help this morning from their scribes, trying to sell the point that the $165 million in bonuses to AIG executives is but a drop in the bucket compared to the much larger problem of fixing the economy. Rahm Emanuel says they are a "big distraction." There is tremendous pundit anxiety that the ignorant masses in their blood lust will pervert serious efforts to deal with our economic challenges and make unseemly demands for vengeance.
I live in DC now, and it’s a very nice place, insulated from the pressures being felt by the rest of the country. Those economic hardships remain largely invisible here: money still flows to federal employees and government contractors, nearby counties are among the richest in America, and Tina Brown declared that the cultural center has shifted here from New York. It’s a world that reveres people in the Obama administration as the new celebrities. The confidence that the American people have expressed in their ability to fix the country’s problems is exceeded only by their own.
It’s not that people here are unaware of those problems, far from it. But as Krugman says this morning, the "best and the brightest" in the administration are products of the financial system and they have a fundamental belief in its integrity. They think that pumping money into it with no strings attached will solve its maladies, and share the underlying assumption that bankers should continue to profit handsomely.
Here is Geithner on Feburary 10 announcing his economic stability plan, telling people what they want to hear:
Investors and banks took risks they did not understand. Individuals, businesses, and governments borrowed beyond their means. The rewards that went to financial executives departed from any realistic appreciation of risk.
There were systematic failures in the checks and balances in the system, by Boards of Directors, by credit rating agencies, and by government regulators. Our financial system operated with large gaps in meaningful oversight, and without sufficient constraints to limit risk. Even institutions that were overseen by our complicated, overlapping system of multiple regulators put themselves in a position of extreme vulnerability.
These failures helped lay the foundation for the worst economic crisis in generations.
But his actions belie a far different mindset. Geithner has done almost nothing with regard to regulatory reform, and will finally roll out his plan in response to international pressure at the G20 in April:
The U.S.’s overseas allies ratcheted up pressure during the weekend to tackle the ailing banking system. "Some countries have not fixed their banks, so I want them to fix their banks," Canada’s finance minister, Jim Flaherty, said, in what appeared to be a veiled reference to the U.S.
Germany’s finance minister, Peer Steinbrueck, made a similar point as a way of deflecting U.S. demands for more stimulus spending.
"We are convinced it makes no sense to pump more and more money in our economy when we haven’t restored the confidence on the financial markets," he told reporters .
Revamping the system is just not something Geithner feels intense pressure to do, regardless of what he says. His actions just don’t match up with his words.
When the bank bailouts began, the public was very suspicious. According to a CBS poll done in October, 51% disapproved of the bailout, and 52% disapproved of providing money to financial institutions. On the other hand, a majority approved of providing help to struggling homeowners (54%) — which never really happened. The public thought that the bailout was going to help "just Wall Street" (60%) more than "the whole country" (30%).
Americans were worried that the bailout was designed for the benefit of those who created the crisis. They were being asked to take the government at its word that as they lost their jobs, their 401Ks disappeared and their communities disappeared that it was absolutely necessary to immediately shovel trillions of dollars into a broken system or things would become drastically worse. They crossed their fingers and held skeptical hope that things would work out.
But underlying the public’s trust was the assumption that those in charge were doing this because there was no other choice, and they thought people like Timothy Geithner knew it was their job to keep the people who had looted their retirement funds and sacked their value of their homes from profiting from taxpayer largesse while they struggled. They most certainly did not share Timothy Geithner’s belief that everyone in the banking industry should continue to get rich.
It’s impossible to know when Geithner realized that the AIG bonuses were eminent, but one thing is clear — he did not anticipate the public rage, the critical breaking of trust that the bonuses symbolized. He thought he could stomp around a bit, shake his head and talk about "outrage" but it would eventually blow over. He, the administration and the anxiety pundits do not seem to realize that the AIG bonuses are not just a "drop in the bucket." They trigger a whole set of ugly conclusions. As dday says, "the public knows intuitively that they’ve been getting a raw deal for decades, and the bonuses are only a small part of the story."
What they telegraph to the American public, quite appropriately, is that the people in charge are perpetuating a broken system and enriching their friends at taxpayer expense, and it calls into question everything they have been told. It’s a signal that the whole thing is a crock, that it’s no more than a great and penultimate oligarchical looting. As Matt Taibbi says:
People are pissed off about this financial crisis, and about this bailout, but they’re not pissed off enough. The reality is that the worldwide economic meltdown and the bailout that followed were together a kind of revolution, a coup d’état. They cemented and formalized a political trend that has been snowballing for decades: the gradual takeover of the government by a small class of connected insiders, who used money to control elections, buy influence and systematically weaken financial regulations.
The crisis was the coup de grâce: Given virtually free rein over the economy, these same insiders first wrecked the financial world, then cunningly granted themselves nearly unlimited emergency powers to clean up their own mess. And so the gambling-addict leaders of companies like AIG end up not penniless and in jail, but with an Alien-style death grip on the Treasury and the Federal Reserve — "our partners in the government," as Liddy put it with a shockingly casual matter-of-factness after the most recent bailout.
The mistake most people make in looking at the financial crisis is thinking of it in terms of money, a habit that might lead you to look at the unfolding mess as a huge bonus-killing downer for the Wall Street class. But if you look at it in purely Machiavellian terms, what you see is a colossal power grab that threatens to turn the federal government into a kind of giant Enron — a huge, impenetrable black box filled with self-dealing insiders whose scheme is the securing of individual profits at the expense of an ocean of unwitting involuntary shareholders, previously known as taxpayers.
Timothy Geithner’s response to the AIG bonuses confirmed the public’s worst suspicions: that they are being fleeced by a crew that makes Bernie Maddoff look like a piker. The "populist rage" that the pundits find so unseemly is actually the appropriate response.
Until the administration finds a way to convince the public that the crooks are not still in charge and the same thing couldn’t happen all over again, they will rightfully demand that no more taxpayer money go to propping up the banks.
That’s not "mob rule," it’s just common sense.
Related posts:
- The Next Big Taxpayer Bailout? IMF Could Get Hundreds of Billions for European Banks
- Richard Trumka, Andy Stern Accuse Fed of Massive Secret Bailouts and Cronyism
- Late Night: On Bailouts, Bogeymen and False Equivalencies
- Why is Timothy Geithner Rejecting Legislative Policy?
- Bank Bailout: When a Bonus Exceeds Earnings, How is It Not Fraud?





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Bingo.
Bullseye, as per usual.
digg is open.
They want to fix a system which when fixed is corrupt, and will always lead to the same results – poverty for millions, lower living standards for everyone but the wealthy and more wealth concentrating at the top. That’s what “this” system is about.
scrap it
Source: NY TIMES
While the American International Group comes under fire from Congress over executive bonuses, it is quietly fighting the federal government for the return of $306 million in tax payments, some related to deals that were conducted through offshore tax havens.
A.I.G. is effectively suing its majority owner, the government, which has an 80 percent stake and has poured nearly $200 billion into the insurer in a bid to avert its collapse and avoid troubling the global financial markets. The company is in effect asking for even more money, in the form of tax refunds. The suit also suggests that A.I.G. is spending taxpayer money to pursue its case, something it is legally entitled to do. Its initial claim was denied by the Internal Revenue Service last year.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03…..l?r…
Common Sense = The most uncommon of human attributes.
The property class in their zeal, killed the golden goose.
Jane: Your fingers are on fire! I’m guessing you’re burning up about 10 or 20 keyboards a day? Damn! Really good stuff. Thanks much.
unlimited emergency powers
there it is again.
It’s the money, but it’s also the power being exercised. Clearly, there is no government of, for, and by the people any more.
We are so obviously being taxed without representation.
Geithner is as clueless as the effing bankster CEOs who move on to the next golden priority.
It is interesting that they can engage in lawsuits against the government but not against current and former employees.
The pundit class aspires to the oligarch class, thus their fear of populist rage. It wouldn’t take much for the people’s anger at the bankster frauds to spill over to anger at the politicians and the pundits.
They all look the same from where most Americans sit: pampered, isolated, elite, and coddled by a government that is no longer of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Financial Fraud and Law Enforcement Issues committee hearing just ended with panel of State AGs etc. Much complaining about interference for OCC and premption of state authority. Mortgage cos being prosecuted for fraud (Countrywide) fled to national cover and shut off prosecution.
bingo.
from the Great Gatsby.
Amen.
Mr. Geithner’s attitude is very reminiscent of the great Ponzi schemers, starting with Ponzi himself. They are profiled in the current New Yorker in connection with Madoff. But the article could be about Geithner just as easily.
The Ponzi artist believes his own material–he has to in order to be convincing and so that he can stick with such a patently dishonest, highly implausible get-rich scheme. Mr. Geithner believes.
Like Ponzi, Mr. Geithner is telling us to keep buying shares in Wall Street Inc. so that confidence is not lost. If confidence is lost and people stop investing, the magic money machine will stop, and we will all be losers. But if we wait patiently while the investors at the head of the line get their payouts, then we will get our payouts in turn. Just have some confidence.
Of course, like Ponzi, Mr. Geithner is not being altogether candid about what he is doing. He is paying off the earlier investors–the Wall Street speculators and Washington insiders–with the income from the later investors–us, the tax payers. If we wait, as he suggests, we will undoubtedly get the same payout that the last round of investors in a Ponzi scheme always gets.
So we need to do with the whole financial system in this country what you do with a Ponzi game: stop the trading, freeze what assets there are, and force the beneficiaries of early payouts to disgorge their gains for division among all the victims. And, of course, we need to prosecute the schemers and send those convicted off for lengthy stints in the penitentiaries. This is emphatically not vengeance or mob rule. It’s legal process.
But hey! don’t blame bush or cheney! stuff happens…
What Obama seems unable to grasp or respond to is that millions of formerly middle class Americans, caught up in bankruptcy or unable to use it, caught in a web of 30% credit card rates, poor schools, health care and housing, and with permanently foreshortened careers and prospects for their children, have nothing left to lose by loudly speaking out. They will. And they should.
This is very good.
Why has Obama chosen the people he’s chosen to deal with this situation, and for that matter those in his cabinet…or did he? Tiz a puzzlement.
I agree, kind of. But then how does one explain the type of behavior on the part of someone like Ken Lay and Kenneth Skilling of Enron Infamy, who exhort employees to keep the faith and hold on to their stock while they sell their own?
This is the voice of deceit I hear when people like Geithner try to reassure me that the fundamentals are sound or whatever.
AIG’s Past Could Return to Haunt
Inter Press Service (IPS) Dec 19, 2008
American International Group (AIG) operated a captive insurance scam that involved fraudulent use of offshore tax havens. Currently, the U.S. government has invested over $40 billion in AIG, with the U.S. getting nearly 80 percent of its stock.
This puts the U.S. in a unique position to investigate the internal operations of a giant corporation with a reputation for using the offshore system for tax evasion.
U.S. authorities could begin their investigations with a look into a very curious practice that was revealed 15 years ago in a case that was never exposed by the mainstream press and which insurance insiders say is endemic.
AIG would keep a portion of a client’s inflated insurance premium and send the rest to the client’s offshore reinsurance company. AIG would earn a higher commission. The client would write off the entire amount as a business expense and enjoy the extra cash offshore, tax free.
This story tells how notorious fraudster Victor Posner made an AIG deal to stash reinsurance profits in Bermuda.”
Read more at Komisar Scoop.______________________________
Lucy Komisar has been writing about AIG for years now.She has also covered the history of BCCI in a book called Game As Old As Empire.Truly,imho,she has been a voice in the wilderness about these issues,for YEARS now-kinda like Markopolis was with warnings about Madoff.
She was instrumental in setting up the international Tax Justice Network. That is a superb resource on the international corporatocracy and the impoverishment resulting from trillions scammed in tax havens.
The culture of entitlement spreads way beyond wall street to all corporations. Look at what is going on and expected in the Health Insurance Industry. Blue Cross/Blue Sheild has its own corp. structure in each state. State CEOs and CFOs are each making $million dollar plus salaries. The CEO of ND BC/BS was recently fired poor guy was only making $866K per annum.
The guy who ran it was a holdover from Clinton.
Exactly. And we the regular voting folks who are heard only with our votes and not a lot of monetary influence, are not in the usual feedback loop of people like Geithner. I mean, is he really going to know he’s blowing it when he’s only hearing from financial people who are filling their pockets. Of course they all think everything is OK! For them, it is! It is truly astonishing to them that anyone would think otherwise!
Ahhh! thx. (ps I was being snippy and snarky about darth, but thanks for the info!)
I heard he gave himself quite a hefty pay raise in the last year or so? is that correct? along with others in same position in case universal health care put the brakes on their compensation?
Assets and accounts of anyone receiving tarp money need to be monitored and/or frozen, because that money will go to the Caymans and UBS, which is already part of the problem. Much of the actual “money” there really is….is gone…out of the country already…Oh yeah, and throw all of the bums in jail. Now. Oh yeah, and can we nail Halliburton for ripping off the country? Can we pin Halliburton for their scheme using the premise of war to rip us off? Why is Cheney not in jail for torture and fraud and abuse of his office and the Constitution….
Great summary, Jane!
This crisis will not be solved unless the Fed + Treasury declare a “holiday” on transactions involving CDS & derivatives, and do an FDIC-style takeover of the insolvent banks, sealing off all the departments like AIGFP, and coming up with a way to settle all the CDS & derivative debts. That “holiday” should not be lifted until a heavily regulated environment has been prepared and put in place. Until then, we are throwing good money after bad.
Bob in HI
I put a response to your blog on the Huff, and am going to refer to something I said there. The fly in this particular ointment, to me, is the Federal Reserve. Not anywhere near enough attention is being paid to the workings of, and participation by, this behemoth. No apparent scrutiny.
To those of us informed enough to understand how, why, and the ways in which the Fed does what it does, it would come as no surprise that this situation would end up being as obfuscated as it is.
My answer; “Shed the Fed”. Keep the functions; Reclaim the ownership we gave away.
Ditto on that.
And…
Gosh, the thought, “No withholding,” keeps going through my head.
Great investigative reporting! Revealing the individuals involved here and what specific actions they have taken is key. There is an unprecedented window that is opening right now to really see the corruption of our financial and political system. There is too much “noise” about the “system” and “the bankers” and “those companies” blah blah blah. Specific names, specific actions, and specific context are the compass here. Pitchforks are useful indeed, but only if used in unison to kill the right beast… nice work!
I believe they have been getting hefty increases but I don’t know if it was in case of single payer or so that they could make private donations to fight it.
Geithner appears to be caught in his own Mobius Strip of what is posssible. He is not aware of the twisted self-reinforcing world he lives in. Would make an interesting movie if it weren’t so rage inducing.
#13 should become an Oxdown.
Does this administration want to be known as the administration that ’fixed’ the Wall St mess so that it could continue as it had previously – status quo ante – OR, does it want to be known as the administration that reformed Wall St on the order of FDR reforms and TR’s trust busting of monopolies?
I know what is needed, but I’m sensing the administration LIKED things status quo ante
Yes, yes, yes, yes!
Sadly, I don’t think Obama himself gets this. And certainly not Rahm or Geithner. I am sorely disappointed.
Thanks so much. This point exactly needs repeating until someone high in the administration begins to “get” it.
“You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Geithner , and I won’t have it. Is that clear?
The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back. It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity. It is ecological balance. You are a man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples.
There are no nations; there are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems; one vast, interwoven, interacting, multivaried, multinational dominion of dollars.
It is the international system of currency which determines the vitality of life on this planet. THAT is the natural order of things today. THAT is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today.
Am I getting through to you, Mr. Geithner? There is no America; there is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T;, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, Exxon/Mobil and Wal-Mart. Those are the nations of the world today.
The world is a business, Mr. Geithenr; it has been since man crawled out of the slime. Our children will live, Mr. Geithner , to see that perfect world in which there’s no war or famine, oppression or brutality – one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock – all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.
And you,Mr. Geithner has been chosen, to preach this evangel.”_______________
This is a soliliquoy originally addressed TO Howard Beale in the Paddy Chayefsky movie,”Network”. I inserted Mr.Geithner in place of Mr. Beale.
We need Howard Beale again,cause we’re mad as hell and we’re not gonna take it anymore.
congrats “toppers”
Lemme nitpick a little here.
‘Eminent’. Does not mean ‘about to happen’.
‘Imminent’ is what you want here.
(Krugman, however, is eminent.)
#9@ foothills mike:
Isn’t this the “contendah” for “frivolous” lawsuit of all time?
Or, perhaps more accurately,the frivoLOUSY lawsuit of all time?
a seldom talked-about perk is that most outgoing CEOs and senior execs award themselves and their families LIFETIME free health insurance benefits.. presumably that ceases when their companies eventually fail.
Exactly, thank you, I don’t think it could be stated more clearly.
BTW, you’re not the same robspierre that used to post over at BOTF/Slate are you?
Two things addressing this total fuckup. This is an excellent Rolling Stone article by Matt Taibbi that covers the entire gamut of HOW this whole thing started, who is at the core of starting the problem, and who is now the core of the problem (those “fixing” it) and how they relate to the first. VERY good article that needs wide dissemination.
This is a link from Naked Capitalism (actual article requires free registration). The gist of this article is that now even the IMF is questioning Geithner’s recovery/stabilization plan. It suggests his days truly are numbered.
Geithner can’t leave (be kicked out) soon enough. He is NO better than Paulson was. These people (Paulson, Geithner, Summers, Rubin, Bernanke) need to be audited and prosecuted before we go after the CEO of Goldman Sachs, BoA, JPMorgan, etc.
Finally, as per a bit in the Rolling Stone article, we need for Congress to pass a law that forces the Fed to answer questions thoroughly. The 1950 Accounting and Auditing Act basically exempted the Fed from ALL effective oversight. It renders them a law unto themselves. Any law passed by Congress can be undone by another law passed by Congress.
I agree. When Geithner took nationalization off the table, he was basically saying that the current structure of US banks in terms of their size, operations, and practices were OK and they just needed more money.
This is the fundamental disconnect. The banks are structurally unsound. They are too big. Their financial practices have been and remain too deviant.
All through this we have seen that banks and other financial institutions when given any leeway revert to the worst of their old practices. Give them a dime and they will use it to speculate. Don’t re-regulate and they will try to collect the credit card balances of the dead. Loosen compensation limits and they will pay bonuses to crooks.
Emanuel and Geithner would make this out to be just about bonuses. But it is really about everything else plus this. Yes, it was the straw that broke the camel’s back but if the camel had not been loaded down with hundreds of pounds of other shit, the straw would not even have been noticed.
We no longer live in the United States of America, we are all simply drones in the Corporate State of America. The entire govt-congress having been bribed(legally!!!)The executive-we saw how easily it was subverted by corporate interests over the last 8 years-it only takes some mid level career employees to be on the take to screw up the entire process- and the judicial-also subverted by the corporations thru state and federal laws that favor them over the individual. The SCOTUS makes decisions that not only subvert the constitution but also advance the corporate oligarchs in their search to take over everything.
As the salaries of the MOTU increase to unheard of amounts, the “middle class” shrinks. We-the baby boomers- are going to be the last generation who had a better life than our parents.
With a 30% HS drop out rate nationwide-some states like SC have a 49% rate-we are facing a country full of people who are not qualified to work in jobs that pay more than minimum wage. Sheeple whose lives are fullfilled with TV and beer. Mindless masses who can be manipulated via advertising into buying sprees until they have more debt than they will ever be able to pay. Future debt slaves, only useful during election season, where the sheeple will vote as they are told to thru TV. We saw some of that during the last election. The TV pundocricy overriding peoples best interests thru massive lying.
Authoritarianism will continue to increase, the sheeple will continue to blindly follow their appointed leaders.
Not even 2 months into his administration and the rethug wolves along with the village “reporters” are baying for his defeat. The lies go unchallanged, the propaganda of the rethugs is presented by the networks as truth. The message of the president is filtered or ignored. Is it then any wonder that he has decided to go over the heads of the DC “reporters” and speak directly to the people.
How pathertic is it that the best interviewers, reporters and commentators are comedians? Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert seem to be the only ones(a fake news show and a satirical program that uses a comedy platform to poke a sharp stick into the inflated egos that are the political pundocricy)with enough backbone to actually ask the hard questions and not allow the usual suspects to get by with their lies. Video tape lasts forever, politicians have not yet realized this and the village reporters haven’t got either a clew or a backbone. When the reporters and the people that they are supposed to question live next to each other, attend the same parties and vacation together it becomes impossible to ask the real questions and call them out on their lies and evasions. How pathetic is that.
All hail the new american century neocons. Controlled by the corporate oligarchs, ruled by their authoritarian tendencies, their desire is a theocratic fascist dictatorship. If not for the total incompetence displayed by the bush administration, the “unitary ececutive” and the dictatorship of the US would have come true.
I can not see under any circumstances where Obama would voluntarily give up the power that bush, thru cheney, seized over the last 8 years. No one who gains a powerful position gives back some of that power. That is human nature.
From Wonk Room.
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/
Ahem…Rahm is a former Wall Street insider. OF COURSE he gets it, but the point is enrichment of his best buttbuddies on Wall Street.
As for Geithner, he is a protege of Paulson. The ENTIRE economic crew selected by Obama is nothing BUT Wall Street insiders. Not a single person there represents anything beyond banking and wall street.
OT, but only a little:
Today’s “No Shit, Sherlock” leader in the clubhouse is Ben Bernanke, with this awesome offering –
Bernanke says must fix “too big to fail” problem
Really? Ok then, let me help you with a cuppa, tree things.
1. Stop dragging ass on new financial regulations for Wall Street (I’m looking at you, hedge funds.)
2. Use the dollars thrown at these banks to break them up, not make them larger as is happening now.
3. Try hiring some people who weren’t involved in this debacle to clean it up. This is like having the guy that robbed your bank put in charge of designing the new security system.
:})
Once again the folks in charge underestimate the ‘Tops. I even read someone who was using the “weak WKU” to attempt a slap at Louisville for having lost to the ‘Tops back in November.
After watching Kieth Olberman’s special comment last evening over at C&L I just sat back and wondered where all of this went so wrong. As Olberman said throughout the piece, ” Enough”! The country has been brought to its knees by both a banking system built on greed and avarice as well as a government not of, by and for the people but for those with access to the highest bidder.
if we are going to fix this financial train wreck, it is not going to be with the very people that have brought us to the edge of the abyss. We will have no recovery until the system is reformed and brought back into a sustainable balance. To achieve this end, the banks must be returned to business of banking again, with the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. The hedge funds must be restrained through fundamental regulatory reform.
A private agency like the Fed is not capable of performing these tasks. The Fed, for all the rhetoric that surrounds it, is a private enterprise owned by the banks. The effectiveness of self-regulation and the rational efficiency of markets are the great myths that have led us to our current crisis.
The Fed as the great regulator for multiple markets is an attractive choice for the government, because when it fails the government may point the finger of blame, and absolve itself of all responsibility for our ruin as they are attempting to do now. The mantra from the American people should be shut the Fed and in turn go back to a US Treasury banking system that the founders had entrusted to the people. Not to a private banking cartel whose only interest is the industry which they serve.
While Geithner is more the figurehead/employee here, I imagine that Summers and Goldman Sachs are much more behind the decisions that have been made so far. Geithner may have worked for the Fed and now Treasury, but the Fed works for the banks, and Paulson, Summers and GS represent the inner circle.
Holy Fraudulent Conveyances, Jane!
Yes! We are realizing ”that the people in charge are perpetuating a broken system and enriching their friends at taxpayer expense, and it calls into question everything they have been told. It’s a signal that the whole thing is a crock …”
That’s why the bonus issue is the tipping point, praise the gods and goddesses.
And, yeah, it’s just another ponzi scheme. We need to get out before we are officially the ”last ones in” who lose everything at the bottom of the pyramid.
I’m looking for the administration to REMOVE those currently in charge and put people in charge who have no conflicts of interest AND to put controls in place that ENSURE this cannot happen again. It can’t just be a fresh bench. It cannot be re-regulating the same criminal enterprises.
We need regulations NOW to manage the crisis AND more regulations for ”going forward.”
Until then, NOT ONE SINGE DIME MORE.
And until there’s reasonable transparency I cannot be convinced that any of this is as dire as we hear EXCEPT for the banksters. Yes, the banksters world will be crashing and burning and that’s what they are really worried about. Too fucking bad.
The Rolling Stones article I linked in my previous post mentions how the bailout went, with most haste, to the BIGGEST banks in existence (that also happen to be those formerly worked for by Obama’s economic team in various ways) to specifically help them gobble up smaller banks and make the already too big banks even bigger. It mentions that to this day there are still small regional banks (the GOOD banks) that have yet to see a dime of aid.
It appears (and IS the case) that Obama and his team are set on trying to eliminate as many of these good regional banks as possible by getting them consumed by BoA, Citi, JPMorgan, etc. They are working against our best interests here folks.
I agree that Geithner represents a continuation of the disastrously failed policies of Paulson.
Recently Charlie Rose had on Meredith Whitney a financial analyst and she was the first person who mentioned looking at the numbers. This is what I find so frustrating in all this. People throw numbers, all kinds of numbers, around but they don’t look at them. If they did, they would see that they don’t add up. You can take the economy as a whole, the financial industry, most of the sectors in it, and the numbers don’t add up. You can take any of Obama’s plans or all of them together and they don’t add up either. Somehow our political, financial, and media elites think there will be no real consequences to the math not adding up. Yes, other people, not them, will be thrown out of work. The Fed will print up a bunch of money. There will be a recession. But for them this still all falls within the parameters of business as usual. They do not understand, they refuse to understand, that where the math is not adding up is not in marginal and peripheral areas but in the core of the economy. I look at the numbers. I stare at them, and it is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. We have had so many ways to avoid this entirely or mitigate the consequences at each and every branching point. And consistently our elites choose to ignore the math and keep the train wreck coming.
Gov Corzine on MSNBC now. Geitner overworked and w/o help. Time to put institutions thru bankruptcy. AIG bonuses wrong.
Think about this…
…Hank Paulson, former Goldman CEO, set up this program with AIG so that government money “loaned” to AIG would be paid out to Goldman with no obligation to repay.
It’s not a loan. It is an insurance payment.
AIG is a money laundering operation.
Goldman and the other banks that cooked this whole crisis up are getting reimbursed for their losses with no obligation to repay the money.
Pretty clever…
Maybe Cheney is still in charge. He pops his head out of his hiddy hole just enough to show Washington he is still dangerous. The news that he was in charge of murdering people is a purposeful leak. Bush is gone. Cheney is still in town. or perhaps I am crazy, paranoid.
I’d like to see a WH conference on the financial crisis, like the conferences on the budget and health care!!!!! I’d like to see Krugman, Stiglitz, Galbraith, and Baker there along with everyone else who has been burning brain cells on this dance. Let Geithner face them … or he could resign. Paulson and Liddy should be required to attend.
Indeed. The Rolling Stone article has a section that addresses part of that, and it is stunning (and gets into the entire “Fed is above and beyond the law and above and beyond ANY scrutiny”). The actual bailout money tossed out so far is PEANUTS compared to what the Fed is doing IN SECRET (and this is beyond the recent ANNOUNCED plan to buy long term treasuries). There is an entire host of newly created “functions” in the Fed that are dumping money into the system (the banks, wall street) on the sly quite apart from the bailout and there is NO indication whatsoever is happening to that money. No idea what is being bought, no idea what these things are valued at or if they even have value. Questioned about it by Congress, the Fed reps basically say “butt out, you have no juice here”. Hence the need to undo the 1950 Accounting and Auditing Act to FORCE the Fed to be transparent. It is unacceptable that the Fed is a law ENTIRELY unto itself with no master to answer to.
Jefferson and others warned us what would happen if the countries banking was placed into the hands of private enterprise. The nearly 100 year experiment is over and as a country we have payed dearly. If the Fed is to remain, then at the very least it must become fully transparent and audited by an independent overseer accountable only to the American people.
You’re certainly right, Jane. The bonuses issue is symbolic, but that doesn’t mean it’s nothing. What it symbolizes is the fact that the people who run things don’t see why they should have to make any adjustments in their lives to accommodate the new reality that they largely created. Given the income disparity that’s been growing here in the last thirty years, that’s not a small thing. That folks like Geithner (and perhaps, Obama as well) don’t understand that is a problem.
Josh Marshall also pointed out another problem yesterday, which is that this sure looks like a case where the financial people are in charge, not the government. Right now, we want the government to fix things, and to do that it needs to be able to control financial institutions that are failing. It seems clear that they aren’t doing that, and that leads to a lack of trust in the rest of us.
Won’t that money be worthless soon?
that’s simply the toxic assets/bad bank plan in a different wrapping — they risk and lose nothing — while we have to absorb ALL their worthless shit.
I’d say to Obama, if he disagrees with any part of what Jane has written here, he should tell the nation what it is and why.
If you’re not mad yet you must not have read this from Matt Taibbi.
and Liddy was serving on Goldman’s board when they picked him to “take over” AIG.
it’s all criminal.
Here’s a relevant part of the Taibbi article concerning the new, secret, hidden, unexplained dumping of trillions into the economy for…what?
When asked for details on this stuff, THAT is when the Fed says, “Talk to the hand”.
Finally just a bit more of the same section of Taibbi’s article:
Geithner and the banksters he represents in Obama’s administration know they can get anything they want. As long as the America people remain passive, distracted and economically stressed they aren’t likely to hit the streets in the hundreds of thousands as they have all over Europe. Until Americans DEMAND that these banksters are held accountable the banksters are laughing as they loot the treasury. Geithner will be well taken care of by these criminals when he “leaves” the Obama administration.
Isn’t the addition of all of this money into the system diluting the value of all monies.
You couldn’t be any more spot on,media freeze.
Liddy was tapped BY Paulson to head up AIG late last fall.
BUT, Liddy was appointed to the BOARD of Goldman Sach BY Paulson when Paulson was CEO at Goldman.
Liddy had to RESIGN form Goldman ,last fall, to take the AIG job.
That’s the entire point that many people fail to ask. Just where does the Fed get all of this money from so that when they run out they can simply turn on the printing presses while creating more confetti that we the lucky ones get to pay the Fed back with interest?
I goofed the reply thing, this is actually in reply to foothillsmike:
Isn’t the addition of all of this money into the system diluting the value of all monies.
I am asking that question around the tubes myself. One would THINK it would have to cause an even faster devaluation of the dollar than the simple Fed long-term Treasury buy…and perhaps that is what is meant by Taibbi when he says, “Although this technically isn’t taxpayer money, it still affects taxpayers directly, because the activities of the Fed impact the economy as a whole.”
Any economics wizards here that can answer this? Shouldn’t the trillions the Fed is dumping into the economy BESIDES the printing presses running for Treasuries, cause the dollar to fall faster and create even more danger of hyperinflation once the deflation comes to an end?
Reuters
U.N. panel says world should ditch dollar
By Jeremy Gaunt, European Investment Correspondent
Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:16am EDT
LUXEMBOURG (Reuters) – A U.N. panel will next week recommend that the world ditch the dollar as its reserve currency in favor of a shared basket of currencies, a member of the panel said on Wednesday, adding to pressure on the dollar.
Currency specialist Avinash Persaud, a member of the panel of experts, told a Reuters Funds Summit in Luxembourg that the proposal was to create something like the old Ecu, or European currency unit, that was a hard-traded, weighted basket.
Persaud, chairman of consultants Intelligence Capital and a former currency chief at JPMorgan, said the recommendation would be one of a number delivered to the United Nations on March 25 by the U.N. Commission of Experts on International Financial Reform.
“It is a good moment to move to a shared reserve currency,” he said.
Central banks hold their reserves in a variety of currencies and gold, but the dollar has dominated as the most convincing store of value — though its rate has wavered in recent years as the United States ran up huge twin budget and external deficits.
Some analysts said news of the U.N. panel’s recommendation extended dollar losses because it fed into concerns about the future of the greenback as the main global reserve currency, raising the chances of central bank sales of dollar holdings.
“Speculation that major central banks would begin rebalancing their FX reserves has risen since the intensification of the dollar’s slide between 2002 and mid-2008,” CMC Markets said in a note.
Russia is also planning to propose the creation of a new reserve currency, to be issued by international financial institutions, at the April G20 meeting, according to the text of its proposals published on Monday.
It has significantly reduced the dollar’s share in its own reserves in recent years….
I’m late getting here, but I wanted to say that I’m happy to see that Newsweek has outed Goldman Sachs as living on the dole.
Bullseye.
snark
Protect the oligarchs!
/snark.
Thanks.
The answer is yes and it is something that the public needs to understand. The more of something there is, the less it is worth. The less of something there is, the more it is worth. This is why the bankers who created the Federal Reserve hated gold. It held the country back from growing too rapidly and that was something they couldn’t tolerate. Now the truth of that statement is coming full circle with a monetary system that is out of control and the losses being incurred will have to be paid back from our sweat equity. Those in power in government are well aware of this fact and this is why our wonderful government says that all of our gold holdings are only worth $42.50 an ounce when the rest of the world says it is worth nearly $1,000 an ounce.
Today with the Fed we live from one bubble to the next. This is what gold prevented and this is what the founders knew to be true which is why they never wanted banking for the country to be placed in private hands.
Don’t we PAY the Federal Reserve to print our currency?
And there isn’t anything FEDERAL about the Federal reserve, is there,btw?
For with two intriguing articles relating to John Kennedy’s intention to eliminate the Federal Reserve from our currency system,just prior to his assassination.
WORTH a look,for sure.
Timeline results for JFK and the Federal Reserve:
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“Until the administration finds a way to convince the public that the crooks are not still in charge and the same thing couldn’t happen all over again, they will rightfully demand that no more taxpayer money go to propping up the banks.”
*laughs* Well phrased. They must convince us that, they, the crooks are not still in charge, while they, the crooks, are still in charge. While I don’t see much hope in that it is humorously ironic.
Kennedy got close. Remember those 2, 5 and 10 dollar silver certificates? By the way, that executive order is still in place, though it has never been acted upon by any president since his assassination. Kennedy knew the people were being screwed. Whether gold or silver, if you own it, it is not another’s liability unlike a paper I.O.U. with its inherent domino effect when one piece of worthless paper takes down all the rest that are attached to it.
This is the crux of the problem. Government isn’t being honest because their protecting the bankers not the people. It is we the people who need to get the point through the heads of our elected officials.
-nods emphatically-
goldstandard @ 80:
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There’s a problem with gold as a standard too. There is not enough gold in the world to match even the current devalued value of the world economy.
It also prevents helping people (ala a New Deal) when there is a big problem. Since gold can’t be grown on trees, what is left for the government to the poor is: “Eat cake. We can’t do anything for you because we are tapped out on gold. Sorry.”
I would prefer the Fed be dissolved and reconstituted as a TRULY federal entity such that all interest payments go directly to the federal government. Such that all money is brought into existence by the federal government itself and it doesn’t automatically come into existence as debt. As it is, the instant the Fed brings money into existence, it IS debt owed by the federal government (and the People) to the Fed.
Money is the Constitutional purview of the Congress, it says so in the Constitution. The Fed needs to be dissolved and a new Fed created that REALLY IS federal. ALL private banks need to owe money to the federal government, NOT the private Fed. That would bring in LOADS of new revenue.
Jane, I just got around to watching Obama on Jay Leno last night. While I thought his folksy style and general “I’ve got a handle on this stuff” was commendable, I REALLY couldn’t understand one of his points, namely that [to paraphrase] “if we didn’t bail out AIG, a world-wide financial crisis would ensue.”
Obama initially, and simplistically, described the “wise guys” at AIG insuring other wise guys’ stuff, but I’ve yet to see a REAL explanation of how the toppling this house of cards would lead to the end of the world.
a) is there an “explanation” out there; and
b) has it occurred to Obama to get another point of view, aside from the one provided by the Goldman Sachs Alumni & Comedy Club?
I think it’s safe to assume Rahm’s barring opposing points of view from making it through the door?
And BTW, can’t a “good politician” like Obama see how stupid it is to burn through political capital defending this bunch of crooks?
Hugh, do you have an explanation to my “a” above? [Perhaps you’ve written on this — their rationale — and I’ve somehow missed it.]
Does anybody but me find it the ultimate hyoocrisy that the Free Marketeers -who decried regulation of ANY kind and belittled government-have absolutuely NO qualms making a BEE LINE straight TO the government AND the taxpayer funded coffers,NOW that they’ve lost their[and OUR] asses in Casino Capitalism?
Sorry,that should read hypocrisy.
Mea culpa.
Mauimom:
Goldman Sachs Alumni & Comedy Club! Lololololololoooo!
”bunch of crooks” check.
I agree. After all the self-educating I have done here I am finding Obama’s messaging to be no more than a hollow offering of a poor excuse. If he believes this story we are in real trouble.
I need to see some proof and transparency that shows me things will blow up before I can take it seriously. The banksters are not acting in our interests so WHY in HELL would their story have anything to do with us. It’s about them. Their world will collapse.
Obama told us we would try another plan if the first didn’t work. It hasn’t worked. Time for a new {fair} plan.
Thanks Gitcheegumee. I’m well versed in the Fed’s history and why it was created. What I’ve been trying to do is get others to understand the importance of that particular tome. Talk about the dumbing down of America. For those who have forgotten, one of the best visuals of the book were created by Arron Russo in the film “America, From Freedom To Fascism”.
“There’s a problem with gold as a standard too. There is not enough gold in the world to match even the current devalued value of the world economy”.
This is the problem most people have in understanding the value of gold. It isn’t its quantity that matters. It is what the world says it’s worth. If the world said tomorrow that gold was really worth $50,000 an ounce, paper would disappear overnight and all debt would be wiped out in the blink of an eye. There is an important meeting coming up this Wednesday at the UN and the major topic will be dumping the dollar as the worlds reserve currency. It’s coming and both Russia and China are behind this upcoming move.
The other night, someone discovered that the “Edit” button works again. I tried it and it does work if you catch your error within a certain time. So nice to have it back.
You know Jane, I get that you don’t like Obama but it would be nice if you stopped spreading your delusions. You can disagree with what Geithner is doing, but it’s obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that the corporate media is not on Obama’s side, and the fact that you keep claiming the Obama people are using the corporate media to put out propaganda is quite laughable and makes you look silly. The corporate media has hated everything Obama has done. Please stop with your spin or show proof that they are trying to throw Dodd and others under the bus, you haven’t done so and I don’t take you at your word considering you seem to want to tear others down. Did you move to DC because of your power complex?
Of course it hasn’t worked yet, Geithner hasn’t even announced the details.
Jane did her own character assassination of his daughter and now she is freaked out about her own senator possibly losing his seat. I like Dodd but Jane will just have to deal with it, Dodd has been in trouble. I hope Dodd keeps his seat, but I don’t appreciate Jane distorting the truth to make it look like the Obama administration is trying to blame Dodd. This is something children do and it’s time she learned her lesson.
AL, may I call you that?, I sense a lot of anger in your notes that is both unseemly, and unwarranted.
Criticism is not assassination. Assassination is the taking of a life. Your inaccurate use of the word cheapens its meaning. and makes you a less effective writer. It may also earn you a “troll” label, if your not careful.
Jane.
Your investigative leadership on this issue has not gone unnoticed.
I source all of your recent stories in my most recent post:
“The Triumphant Return Of Tricky Dick(Nixon): Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner Is Still Lying And We Prove It”
http://dailybail.com/home/the-…..y-tim.html
I put in some photos of Lennon, Elvis and Nixon.
Thanks for your work,
Steven
Founder and Publisher The Daily Bail
I beg to differ. Jane has been one of the true voices on this important issue and rather than the psychobabble that the MSM puts out, she has the integrity and presence to call it as she sees it and rightly so.
I too would like to see Obama the agent of change succeed. However, he is making his life’s journey that much more difficult by surrounding himself with the same incompetents that have brought us to this point in time. It is time to clean our the financial rats nest that we have and get this country back on firm financial footing. If not, the rest of the world especially the new kids on the block like China and Russia with vast resource reserves will do it for us.
Jane has channelled the prescient Paddy Chayefsky (1976):
Arthur Jensen: I started as a salesman, Mr. Beale. I sold sewing machines and automobile parts, hair brushes and electronic equipment. [puts arm around Beale’s shoulders]
Arthur Jensen: They say I can sell anything. I’d like to try to sell something to *you*.
Arthur Jensen: [bellowing] You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it! Is that clear? You think you’ve merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case! The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU…WILL…ATONE!
Arthur Jensen: [calmly] Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those *are* the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that . . . perfect world . . . in which there’s no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel.
Howard Beale: Why me?
Arthur Jensen: Because you’re on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.
Howard Beale: I have seen the face of God.
Arthur Jensen: You just might be right, Mr. Beale.
DING,DING,DING!We have a winner.
How true about the valuation of ANY good or service.So much is perception,as opposed to reality.
Ergo,enter the likes of Burston,Marstellar,etc. and big bux PR ilk.
Interesting that the father of modern PR was Ed Bernays-related to Freud.
I always personally wondered,was there gold stored in the vaults below WTC?
Unfortunately the deck is stacked. We have no control over the money going to these criminal enterprises. The Fed is giving away another $750 billion without having to bother going through Congress. It turns out that NO ONE has any control over the Fed. Trilllions of dollars have been used to keep these companies from going under – almost as much as our totl GNP. We are way past the point of being looted – there is nothing in America left to take. They are now basically looting China.
yeh but they showed general motors didn’t they?