Tim Geithner needs to get his story straight. Yesterday he told CNN’s Ali Velshi that in fact he did ask Chris Dodd to insert language in the stimulus bill that allowed the AIG bonuses to be paid:
The Treasury Department was concerned that legislation that would restrict contractual bonuses would not hold up to legal challenges, Geithner said in an interview with CNN’s Ali Velshi.
"We expressed concern about this specific version. We wanted to make sure it was strong enough to survive legal challenge," Geithner said.
Really? He was afraid of lawsuits? So why didn’t he tell anybody at the time?
Here’s the New York Times on February 10, 2009. Geithner’s first excuse for neutering Dodd’s executive compensation limits was that they were overly burdensome, meddling and bureaucratic:
[O]fficials said Mr. Geithner worried that the plan would not work — and could become more expensive for taxpayers — if there were too much government involvement in the affairs of the companies. Mr. Geithner also expressed concern that too many government controls would discourage private investors from participating.
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In internal discussions, Mr. Geithner is said by officials to have raised the lessons of countries that forced banks to make loans and adopted other, more interventionist measures. Those strategies, he said, wound up costing more and undermining their governments’ credibility. He concluded the wiser course would be to provide economic incentives to encourage lending.
A few days later, the story changed. Now Geithner was opposed to limits because small banks would return the money and not take future assistance. Why that was a problem was anyone’s guess. Here’s the Wall Street Journal, February 14 2009:
The administration is concerned the rules will prompt a wave of banks to return the government’s money and forgo future assistance, undermining the aid program’s effectiveness. Both Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, who heads the National Economic Council, had called Sen. Dodd and asked him to reconsider, these people said.
Robert Gibbs toed the line on Face the Nation on February 15, after the exception language was inserted and the stimulus bill passed:
“I would say that many of the provisions that are in the bill are modeled after things that the president outlined in his plan,” Gibbs replied. “We’re looking forward to working with Congress to institute some of these regulations that will ensure that taxpayer money isn’t wasted, but we also have to make sure that it doesn’t hurt smaller regional banks that want to participate in this program.”
Here’s The Hill, February 15:
Administration officials worry the strict compensation limits will impede lending because smaller banks won’t want to take the bailout money, or won’t keep it for long.
And here’s the Washington Post from February 15:
Dodd’s original plan called for restrictions on bonuses paid to the top 25 employees at all 359 financial institutions receiving government funds. Administration officials said they worried that such a sweeping rule could dissuade smaller community banks from taking government aid.
So Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and White House economic adviser Lawrence H. Summers quickly got in touch with Dodd.
Dodd declined to honor the administration’s first request to remove the language that made it easier for banks to return the money. But he accommodated them on the second, administration officials said.
And just for good measure, here’s the Washington Times, February 15:
The White House worried that would dissuade smaller banks from taking — or keeping for long — the bailout money, which would slow their lending rates.
I can’t find Geithner — or anyone else in the administration at the time — expressing concern about lawsuits, or the fact that Dodd’s amendment might invite litigation.
The first time I saw this was in the white paper that AIG wrote to defend the payout of the bonuses (PDF):
AIG has been advised by outside counsel that a breach of the retention plan would subject it to claims for not only the contractually owed payments, but also penalties and fees under the Connecticut Wage Act.2 The Wage Act provides for the recovery of double damages and attorneys’ fees when wages are improperly withheld and the employer’s refusal to pay wages lacks a good faith basis. (Conn. Gen. Stat. §31-72.)3 In addition, individual managers who decide to withhold wages that are due are individually liable for violation of the Wage Act.4.
I cannot find any evidence that Geithner was concerned about legal challenges before AIG told him to be, shortly before the payout on March 15, 2009.
I’m not quite sure why he’s so afraid of these suits, anyway — we’re told all these bonus recipients fear for their lives as they are plagued by death threats. Are they going to want to file very public lawsuits that expose their names and salaries? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. They are government employees at this point and by all rights should have to do that anyway, but they appear extremely reluctant to do so.
So, the question arises — exactly who is it that’s running the Treasury?



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Geithner’s gotta go.
he should never have been confirmed.
So in essence we bribed them to take a payoff.
Only in Washington…
I can just close my eyes and imagine Bush is still in office. Nothing has changed.
i’ve done some pretty basic, quick research and it doesmn’t look to me as though a lawsuit will be successful unless AIG can successful disntinguish its case from others or convince a court to reject a bunch of cases. the people in DC could easily have done the same research and they probbaly would have come to the same conclusion. this whole “fear of lawsuits” line is utter horseshit. jest my opinion.
Questions and answers and more questions.
Sort of related: If the 90% tax is judged to be unConstitutional, will we
then have a precedent for overturning the 2008 version of FISA, retroactive
immunity for telecoms? (IANAL)
I’m not sure why Geithner is afraid of the AIG guys. I’m even more baffled why Dodd is afraid of Geithner. What tools did Geithner have to make Dodd legislate the way Geithner wanted? I still don’t see how this isn’t Dodd’s responsibility.
When will Americans accept reality instead of treating it like a joke?
Geithner isn’t “little Timmy” or “Timmeh.”
He is at best a corrupt fool and at worst an out-and-out criminal.
I’ll put him at the midpoint.
He and a bunch of others need to be examined under oath. Then sent somewhere far from the levers of power.
You really have to wonder–whatever Obama and Co. say in public–how much more rope this guy has left.
Krugman’s blog this a.m., which I’ll paste below, was spot on.
Maybe Obama should reflect on FDR rather than Lincoln for a change and recall that Roosevelt brought in a very old but very smart, shrewd and experienced Henry Stimson to run the War Department. Why not bring in Volcker? He’d need a staff of really bright, energetic younger folk–the likes of FDR’s Tommy the Cork and Ben Cohen and Jim Rowe–but wouldn’t that be a big improvement over Wheeler Dealer-Wizard of Oz Bob Rubin and his oafish flunky Larry Summers? Not to mention the tin-eared Tim Geithner?
KRUGMAN:
March 20, 2009, 9:05 AM
[Mod note: for copyright reasons, please do not post entire articles, provide link instead, thank you.]
yeah. why didn’t he tell geithner to fuck off? b/c he thought he was right? felt indebted to aig?
Good Morning Ms Tarbell, um Hamsher,
Mother Jones reminds everyone Geitner’s Deputy rec’d a waiver on the WH Lobbyist embargo -
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this waiver more than hints POTUS knew exactly who and what he what getting
Mother Jones
*snap*
I know. It’s not as if Obama would have vetoed a bill with bonus limits.
Good morning Cbl.
Thanks for the post, Jane. Count me as one that believes Geithner is part of the problem, not the solution.
am starting to think Rahm informed the good Senator he would or wouldn’t have WH/Party Machine assistance in his re election – depending on the which direction the Senator took
‘zup (((Scooter Boy !)))
The story keeps changing but the desparate determination by Bernanke, Summers, and Geithner to get large chunks of money into the hands of these individuals is invariant — even retention bonuses for the unretained. So, what’s the quid for this quo? It sounds like hush money to me.
Listening to Geithner at his confirmation hearing, I got the impression he didn’t pay much attention to the details. Perhaps that is why he was chosen.
Sometimes intense retrospective scrutiny of an event bends reality.
On many occasions I have been involved in litigation where
intense scrutiny of an occurrence, rather than illuminate
the event, mucks it up to the point that it has very little,
if anything, to do with what actually occurred. This is
particularly so when the event being scrutinized, was
misunderstood by the players at the time of its occurrence.
In short, perspective distorts reality.
Great thought. IANAL either, but it strikes me that there is no symmetry between retroactive guilt and retroactive immunity. We’ll see. I got in deep trouble on earlier threads trying to opine on matters I didn’t know enough about.
I’d prefer seeing a generally-applicable law for bonuses: say, limiting them to $50K or 25% of annual contractual wages, whichever is less. This should apply to all businesses and to government as well.
I’m curious about why they’re so afraid of these people from AIG if they don’t get the money. (Contract, nothing: contracts can be renegotiated. Summers, Bernanke, and Geithner ought to have noticed the UAW’s agreement. If they didn’t, they’re too dim to be running any part of government.)
I would hope that the people who say that Obama is ahead of us in his thinking about strategy and tactics for his policies will now look at reality. Look at his FISA, Bankruptcy, and war funding votes. Look at his choice of who he has as his various Secretaries in the Cabinet. Look at his CoS. Do you see someone that is really commited to changing things in Washington D.C., or someone talking about it while sliding down the same chute. Some things are different, but overall, not so much. Obama is a much better speaker than w and gets more credit than he really deserves because of that.
What a complete load of nonsense this “afraid of lawsuits” tripe is. If Geithner really had those concerns he should have asked for an opinion from the White House Counsel or someone else who’s a lawyer. This is obviously just an after-the-fact justification for his decision to make sure his banker baron buddies got as much money as possible.
Geithner doesn’t want to fix the system, he wants to make sure his friends keep raking in the dough. He’s an asshole.
a certain firedog nails him on the details thingy :D
Take It Away Hugh !
On Leno, Obama hearts him some Geithner. To the rest of us; the Buck Stops Here. In other words shut the fuck up, ’cause I’m doing what I planned to do, to my long term benefit.
more fun with quotes:
– Timothy Geitner
– Joseph Cassano
Lawyers seem to be taking issue with Geithner’s contention that these contracts are immutable.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI…..newssearch
“WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Obama and his economic team say they were powerless to avoid paying AIG’s bonus contracts, but some top legal experts disagree with that argument.”
heckuva a job, Timmy!
This “afraid of lawsuits” crap is wearing thin. Like the US Government can’t wait out and/or leverage a bankrupt company’s legal department. So hey Timmy: You wanna give that shit a rest, please?
And to think that BO was still talking up his boy on Leno last night. When is he going to stop with the tap dancing and get a f-n clue? This guy can blow a big hole in the side of everything he’s trying to accomplish domestically.
So:
If anyone in the Whitehouse is listening: Cut your losses and ditch Geithner and Summers now…while you’re got sufficient cover. Now, Goddamnit!
“heckuva a job, Timmy!”
hahahaha!!!!!!
Geithner’s not afraid of AIG, he wants his friends to get all their money.
As for Dodd, he’s a Democratic senator who introduced an amendment. People from the Democratic White House came to him asking for changes. Dodd decided okay, it’s better to get something and it’s a good thing to work with the White House. So he lets his tough provision get changed to be less tough.
I fail to see how Dodd is to blame in any way. Without Dodd’s action not only would the AIG bonuses still happen, others would as well.
Nicely stated. Much better speaker than Duhbyah. Substantive differences in policy? Not so much.
For better or worse, they’re not going to ditch Geithner. The political operatives would be too concerned that such a move would permanently weaken the president politically, and they’d also be worried about what sort of replacement person they could move quickly through the confirmation process. I’m pretty sure we’re stuck with him for the moment ;-P. Oddly enough, they might try to ditch him when and if a recovery begins to happen.
Exactly so.
the afore-linked Mark Patterson (my 10 above) appears to be designated Sacrificial Lamb
I thought about this, too. I once got a real retention bonus (company either to be sold or go out of business – hard to keep good help). It ended up being about 30% of my annual that year. Still, it is taxed at a higher rate than straight income. So, how about a sharply graduated bonus tax? 0-10% of base pay at normal income tax rate, 11% to 50% at 50%, above that at 75%. Limit to 100% of base pay. It would have to be different for commission-based jobs (some sales folks get little or no base pay, and thus couldn’t get any bonus).
Still, tax law isn’t the only answer, how about better limits by share holders? And better transparency.
That is an excellent point.
there’s a good case for retention bonuses in relationship/service companies and tech companies. For example (don’t shoot me), Merrill Lynch might actually have a compelling case for giving retainers to its retail brokers, to ensure the continuity of relationships with account holders/depositors going into a merger with BoA. Giving retention bonuses to traders, financial engineers and investment bankers, on the other hand though and in this environment is just assinine. They failed AND they’re replaceable.
I agree. It’s hard to see how Obama can ditch Geithner without looking like a total idiot himself.
Should retainer bonuses be paid before or after?
Here are a couple of things that I can’t figure out:
– If those contacts involved “retention,” then the unretained bonus recipients have broken them. So, why are they getting anything.
– In no cases were the American taxpayers (i.e., their government) a party to those contracts.
And the government certainly knows how to give out money with strings attached; the DoD and NSF do it all the time. We had all the leverage we needed, and Geithner blew it.
They’ll keep him until the polls show they’re taking a hit. If that never happens, he’s fine. If Obama’s approval rating starts dropping thanks to Geithner, they don’t have much choice. They’ve got too many other things to do.
As I commented elsewhere, Geithner is an Obama appointee, who is doing a heckuva job says his boss. Bernanke, however, is a holdover, and there is perhaps even more reason to get rid of him; per Ann Pettifor at HuffPo:
Bernanke seems a bit more artful in his dodging than Geithner but is every bit as guilty in his enabling of this fiasco.
Dodd is getting into an awful lot of trouble here on the homefront–bonuses compounded with other scandals. He looks bad, because first he tried denial, and then he went into some half-assed explanation before it was announced he was going for the complete mea culpa. (I have yet to see the mea culpa). But he looks defensive as hell, and what’s more he’s blamed the Obama administration for that meddling with that legislation. In effect it all looks really bad for the Obama administration, for Dodd and others. And truth tell I am ready to think Dodd should be thrown to the curb, primaried, so we don’t end up with Rethuglican Rob simmons. So someone please tell me if there’s a reason why I should be more circumspect on Dodd.
The Wall Street model is totally FU. Limits by shareholders is BS. Boards are generally handpicked by the manaagement. The “shareholders” are most often funds that are run by fund managers who drive the perception that what matters is the next quarter. Talk about a bubble in DC look at the bubble that these folks have been operating under. Multi million dollar packages have become the rule. Shit 73 people in AIGFP worth more than a million each in bonuses.
And I want to be circumspect on Dodd.
We are being hit by conflicting and contradictory stories at every turn. When Geithner, Summers, and Bernanke don’t want to do something, like nationalize banks, limit executive compensation, force cramdowns in mortgage values, make bondholders take haircuts, or reform the ratngs agencies, they always have an excuse. They don’t have the power. Someone will get mad. They might even sue.
Yet when Bernanke wants to announce a trillion program, he just does. When Paulson (with Geithner’s participation) wanted to sell off Bear Stearns or buy up AIG, he barely informed the executives of these companies what he was doing. He just did it.
As for lawsuits, look at all the government secrecy lawsuits that were filed. Look at all the habeas corpus claims of Guantanamo detainees. The government gets sued all the time and you know what it’s response usually is? Bring it on.
The take home message here is that Geithner, Summers, and Bernanke are doing, and not doing, exactly what they want. What they couldn’t do or had to do, well that’s just add on verbiage for the rubes.
How can anyone complete against Dodd’s hedge fund bankroll?
Right on.
Do you honestly believe that if Dodd had not watered down the bill, Obama would have vetoed it? What did Dodd get in return? I believe he got nothing.
Our own Spencer informs us Richard Holbrooke pulls of the corridors-of-power hat trick -
sat on AIG Board through 08
rec’d a Countrywide-friendly mortgage
and was a Managing Director at Lehman
For some reason, this stupid blame game is making everyone look worse in my eyes.
I don’t know.. I’m finding his apparent actions pretty difficult to explain to myself, and normally I’m pretty good at rationalizing away the faults of politicians. Either he was getting very bad advice by somebody on his staff who was bought and paid for or he’s bought paid for himself. Either way, its inexcusable.
EXCELLENT post and work there Jane!
Bar None.
And the little banks not getting the money is exactly what my little bank told me 6 weeks ago when i tried to refinance our cars. IN SPITE OF all the news to the contrary going on at that time. My sweet little bank lady told me THEN that all I’m reading is not the reality in HER work place!!! She TOLD me we were being lied to!!! There’s not one reason, based on the “old rules of the game” that I should not have been able to refinance my cars now, but the “new rules” are what’s dictating the force here.
DO READ Taibbi’s take on this mess over at RS. It’s superb, truly, h/t to Janushka at the Downs!
Geithner could be afraid of ‘Secret Chaney Murder Squad’. Would explain a lot when it comes to Dem capitulations..then and now.
Obviously, AIG and assorted banks run the treasury. I’m sure that must be an entirely Obama phenomenon, seeing how far corporate execs were kept away from the Bush administration…
He really looks like a lying hypocrite, doesn’t he? I mean holy joe is always worse, but still . . .
Anyone surprised?
Good to document and reveal, though.
Or I could just blame it on Fairfield Co. But that wouldn’t be fair.
I have no interested in getting into the weeds about who did what when, though am happy that others are doing the heavy lifting, like Jane. However, from my less involved perspective, as soon as the story changes a couple of times, I take it as a sign of guilt or hiding something. I may be accused of jumping to conclusions, but frankly I expect pols to communicate to me quickly and accurately, as I’d rather read a good book than wend my way thru their circuitous explanations.
On the contrary. A swift firing of Geithner and Summers and bang!, it’s over. Yes, there will be grousing for a few weeks, but if these guys stay, it’s the constant drip, drip, drip. In my estimation, that can do more damage than a quick, clean break. And bringing in some Real Players would instantly divert the attention of the MSM – a really good thing from a manage-the-message point of view.
The whole thing reminds me of the Nixon years. If he had come out and owned up on Day One, he might well have finished out his term. Give the MSM everything in the beginning and it basically defuses the bomb, leaves them nothing else to yammer about. Let the wound fester and they tend to prey like a pack of jackals…
Gah.
The whole lot of them, Democrats and Republicans are all in it together. Like someone said, there is representation for the top 10% and none for the rest of us.
Dodd should be primaried the hell out of office. As should the corrupt Jack Murtha and Chuck Rangel. Get the fuck out you corrupt old pricks.
Obama is turning out to the be plutocrats best friend. Take the heat for pretending to be a liberal all while funneling the remaining cash into the over class coffers.
-G
yes.. very good post and analysis. What we’re seeing now out of Treasury, MSM and the likes of Dodd and other members of congress is a lot of smoke and mirrors (the myth of unbreakable contracts, the “not on my watch” mantra, etc, all concealing a sickening amount of corruption and ubiquitous revolving doors). When I was on the street (Clinton years… I left for a quieter and poorer life long before shrub, so don’t lynch me…), I was required to participate in just this kind of maneauvering, helping to lobby for financial services liberalization, OPIC programs, various free trade quid pro quo’s etc. It hasn’t changed, and I get a sense it’s all gotten a lot worse.
I’m not a political analyst, so I’m not gonna try to predict what would happen to Obama’s political fortunes if Geithner were canned. I said what I did because Obama has put a lot of political capital already in his economics team, so I thought he would take a hit if he canned Geithner.
Besides, I think it’s not Geithner who’s the problem, but Obama himself. Don’t know why: lack of detailed knowledge, so he’s at the mercy of G/S/B, shares G/S/B beliefs, or some other reason, like too scared to change horses mid-stream. But Obama does seem to be comfortable with the jobs they are doing.
Yes, but eventually some of us are going to have make a choice. Defend Dodd or challenge him with a primary. The Rethuglicans, Rob Simmons, is milking this for all this worth and I am not sure Dodd is worth defending.
This morning I’ve read a number of articles about the House’s bonus legislation that pointed out that the legislation will also target all sorts of people who deserve their bonuses. The provision removed by Dodd at treasury’s suggestion may have been done for this reason, plus the fact that many in the financial sector–who weren’t reckless–get a great proportion of their income in the form of bonuses pretty much just as a matter of tradition. So, I still like Dean Bakers idea of shifting these payments exclusively to shareholders in these companies. I wouldn’t know whether Bakers method is practical or not, but the bottom line is desirable.
Well there was that leaked Canadian thing during the primary. The Canadian government supposedly considered Obama the least protectionist of the two dem primary candidates. And his economic advisors at the time did look very conservative, as they still do.
We should be scared that AIG will convince a jury that they are not getting enough tax dollars? Are we talking about the same AIG that sent a memo to its employees saying not to wear clothes marked AIG, or even say the name AIG in public where it might be overheard? Before it even got to a jury, how long would AIG’s (80%) majority shareholder agree to pay for a suit against itself?
And then Naomi Klein:True enough. But before Obama can purge Washington of the scourge of Friedmanism, he has some ideological housecleaning of his own to do.
I’m not a political analyst either, but I have observed in the past that giving the MSM everything up front tends to quiet them down, at least on whatever the current storm might be. He would most definitely take a hit on a quick axing, but would that be more damage than a water-drip technique over a period of months? I dunno. Yes, he does seem to be comfortable with the jobs they’re doing right now, and if we manage to get through this emergency, then all will be forgotten. Will that happen? It would seem that the jury is still out on that one… I’m flummoxed.
term limits
“So, the question arises — exactly who is it that’s running the Treasury?”
Organized crime?
Obama is responsible for Geithner, Summers, and Bernanke. If Obama doesn’t replace the three of them with honest people, he will circle the drain. This mess is a criminal conspiracy that simply diverts taxpayer money to its “classmates,” doing considerable damage to the economy. The government cannot just print trillions of dollars without causing massive inflation. As all of us who have to pay attention to prices know, the cost of almost all of the basic necessities are going up substantially. The government published figures lie about inflation, just as they lie about unemployment.
On CNN this morning, a caption read “AIG Outrage – Washington caught off-guard.” Caught off-guard? They had no idea that Americans were paying attention finally to what these criminals were doing? They didn’t expect that rewarding criminals with trillions of dollars and setting the system up such that these slugs would continue to be handed more, while beating the life out of middle class and lower class folks was going to provoke outrage?
Of course they did. There is no case of tin ear here. They are profiting handsomely from their criminal behavior. They know, too, that they are insulated from having to deal with the effects. Having destroyed America we will find they have taken the money and run. Nothing short of some kind of revolution will stop it.
Thanks Jane.
digg is open.
Interesting question. Seems like the Obama administration, congress and AIG all want to forget about that majority shareholder.
wow, someone from “Ground Zero!”
wow, Blub.
you need to write about that, what was it like?
what did you do?
that’d be some fascinating reading!
Geithner’s a toady gopher for his Wall Street Masters (of the Universe).
He knows where a lot of bones are buried, but it’ll be a cold day in Treasury Hell before Timmy bakes any beans for Barack.
Jane.
I posted this on the most recent thread as well. Just want to make sure you see it so you know you’re not pissing in the wind on this issue. We are new but in 9 weeks we’re up to 25,000 weekly readers, so a decent sized audience will see your posts on my site.
I source all of your recent stories in my most recent article:
“The Triumphant Return Of Tricky Dick(Nixon): Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner Is Still Lying And We Prove It”
http://dailybail.com/home/
I put in some photos of Lennon, Elvis and Nixon.
Kindly,
Steven
Founder and Publisher The Daily Bail
doin a heck of a job Geithy
this is no time for finger pointing and the blame game.
I take full responsibility for this.
sickening.