If I were inclined to believe Timothy Geithner didn’t know about the AIG bonuses until last Tuesday—as the administration claims—that went out the window when I went to the AIG hearing on the Hill today and listened to Paul Kanjorski declare that he had known about them at least four to six weeks ago. As he said on CNBC today:
I’m sick and tired of hearing the administration and the Secretary of the Treasury say "we just found out about it." That’s not true. And if he did just find out about it on Thursday or Wednesday then he better get to his mail department and to his telephone people because we communicated with the Treasury at least six or seven times.
Liddy also said that the Fed, and specifically Ben Bernanke, knew that the bonuses were going to be paid and approved them.
My Dodd story from yesterday continued to snowball. Robert Gibbs tried to stick it to Dodd four—count ‘em—four times in yesterday’s presser, referring to "the Dodd provisions," the "Dodd amendment," "the Dodd legislation" and "the Dodd compensation requirements." Today, Dodd pushed back on CNN:
BLITZER: The mysterious loophole inserted at the last minute that allowed these bonuses to go forward. What I hear you saying is that you personally, you did this in order, at the request of the officials at the treasury department, Timothy Geithner among others.
DODD: Just say this. I wouldn’t have modified my own amendment. I spent a long time trying to get people to change it. The alternative was losing the amendment and I didn’t think we should do that.
BLITZER: Who asked you at the Treasury Department to do it?
DODD: I don’t know their names specifically, but staff-level people.
So, thanks ever so much Robert Gibbs, eat me — Love, Chris.
Arianna then started asking questions about how the Wyden/Snowe provision that would cap bonuses at $100,000 for TARP recipients was cut from the stimulus bill during conference. Nobody’s talking.
I was on my way out of the Rayburn office building today when I happened to pass Henry Waxman, who was one of the conferees.
"Congressman Waxman!" I said. "Jane Hamsher, Firedoglake. Big fan. Listen, I understand you were one of the conferees on the stimulus bill…"
"Yes, I was" he said.
"Everybody seems to be wondering how the compensation limits got cut — can you tell me how that happened?"
"Did they?"
"Yes, they did."
"I didn’t know that. Well, I’ll have to look into that."
OK, well, Henry must live in a cave.
I later interviewed Senator Merkeley, who I really, really like. He’s a true progressive whose commitment to fighting the banks on cramdown is one of the bright lights on the Hill right now. I asked him if he’d been made aware, as a member of the Senate Banking Committee, about the impending AIG bonus payments — as Rep. Kanjorski had. He says he hadn’t.
I then wanted to know how they planned to address the problem going forward — namely that there are still about a billion dollars worth of AIG retention bonuses still to be paid this year. He said that from discussions he’s had in the halls, in the caucus, in committees, three options are being considered:
1) A legal strategy about the contracts — his understanding is that breaking them would be tough, "it ties us up in court forever" he said.
2) Telling AIG to get together with their employees, tell them that it’s wrong to take the money and encourage them to voluntarily break the contracts. "Tell them they’ve got to change their culture."
3) If they don’t get rid of the contracts voluntarily, "we grab it back through tax revisions."
I pointed out that the Financial Products Division was headquartered in London, and many of the employees might not be subject to US taxation. He said he wasn’t aware of that.
As far as I can tell, although everyone on the Hill is pointing fingers at each other about who changed the language in the stimulus bill that would have capped the bonuses, the bottom line is: they still would not pass such a bill today. Geithner and Summers were spinning a story at the time about how they couldn’t cap compensation because the banks wouldn’t take the money. Now they’re saying it’s because of litigation, and we can’t have that.
I do not think that anyone understands that some Rube Goldberg model, where we pay out a billion in bonuses, and then try to get the money back in taxes, is going to be a winner. But that appears to be what the administration wants, because both Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank are saying the same thing. Then again, we’re talking about a bunch that thought this wouldn’t be a big problem in the first place, at least not one they couldn’t solve with faux "outrage" and blaming Chris Dodd.
I’m fairly confident they’ll have a chance to rethink this in the near future — somewhere around the time Tim Geithner’s "I knew nothing" story crumbles. The only question is how much public rage they’ll have to suck up before they face that reality.
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Good going, Jane. Though now Waxman knows he can run but not hide from you. Even the best ones disappoint now and then.
Cripes.
Jane, thank you for all your hard work.
Amateur Hour for the liars again? Come on respect the voters enough to tell them a good lie.
This is Bush all over again I can tell you any lie I want and there is nothing you can do about it because I’m rich and powerful and your not.
Jane,
I am fighting the flu and tried to follow today’s events as best I could… So I never had a chance to go through the questions and see if any from the FDL letter were asked.
Are you planning to do a review of the questions and any kind of follow-up to mobilize around the questions in the letter which remain unanswered?
Thanks Jane.
digg is open
If we must pay these fools, pay them in AIG stock.
It’s certainly beginning to look as if some in the new administration just didn’t appreciate how big a deal this was going to be. Hope they learned something- they’re getting their asses handed to them. Major error.
Excellent reporting and overview. Thank you.
Ultimately, Obama himself is going to have to say what he knows. He either is not being truthful — or he is admitting to being out of the loop. Either is a terrible position for him to place himself in.
Obama needs to come clean now before this turns into The Slime that Cannot Be Wiped Off.
This is his first real crisis and test.
That’s the only thing we know for sure.
JEEBUS h
Perhaps Hillary and McPain were right- Obama isn’t ready to be president.
Waxman gave Jane the brush off? That is very disappointing. He’s been an odd fellow. Like the month of March, Waxy came in like a lion and went out like a lamb.
I had high hopes for Cobbler Waxass – hearing all his heated rhetoric last year – it turned out to be much ado over nothing.
Maybe they were banking on the possibility that all of this crazy tangle-ation of high finance was just going to be too confusing for the peasants; that we would not be able to figgur it out.
SYBIL eDMONNDS
WOW
totally bitchin job, Jane
yup,oligarchs are US
AIG thrived on its financial “inventiveness”. This division was headquartered in CT and London for specific reasons. No doubt it was convenient for the big dogs. And London may have been the hub of a global market for the rancid fruit they were selling. But London also has employee friendly labor laws, unlike most US states. CT, oddly, has a law requiring the payment of promised bonuses, lest the employer be hit with multiple damages.
More to the point, these “bonuses” were part of a specific, well-planned scheme put in place after the fall of this default hedging business, and its parent, multi-billion dollar company, became inevitable.
They were not part of a routine compensation plan, and not part of a plan to continue operations and fix the damage from unrestrained excess. They were part of a scheme to keep everything status quo, while simultaneously breaking the company and looting its remaining cash before counterparties, a bankruptcy court, governments or other creditors could get their hands on it. Shareholders, bank creditors, host governments? Tough nuggies.
The idea that any CongressCritter hasn’t had an hour’s briefing from his top staff on the hottest topic in Washington this week is, well, far-fetched. But not answering questions from the public is standard procedure. These guys only work for us anyway. After all the barbecues they enjoyed during George Bush’s tenure in the White House, now nobody wants to touch the bags of hot potatoes he left behind.
You’ve got to be kidding. As if Hillary or Palin would have confronted the status quo….LOL
Waxman’s generic drug legislation in 1981 was the starting gun for big pharma to raise prices more rapidly than overall inflation. For the entirety of the prior post-WWII period, pharma prices had risen less rapidly than inflation. Law of opposite outcomes.
They still hold a great deal of hope in that line of reasoning. That’s why they try so hard to baffle us with bullshit at every opportunity.
The Republicans are loving this shit. They’re working the refs (the MSM)to keep the issue hot. Team Obama is getting slimed in a big way.
The R’s started the fire and have fanned the flames for eight years – Obama is standing there with the gas can in his hand pouring fuel on it.
What is with that misleading headline at cnn.com stating “Dodd: I was responsible for bonus loophole?” Directly underneath this is the subhead “Dodd tops AIG donor list.”
As Mark Twain said, “a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on.”
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/
Tim Geithner’s hold on the job of Sec Treasury ought to be precarious. He may recover. But the take away for Mr. Obama should be that targets of alleged wrongdoing, like corrupt financial services companies, and Republicans will never play ball.
Mr. Obama still has enormous good will with Americans from across the spectrum and with our allies overseas, tied to us via the global economy, most especially in financial services (key to daily economic activity and a host of others, such as credible anti-terrorism efforts). He should play to his strengths: play straight up and advocate, lawyer for what he wants to do and why. Back it with expectations up and down the bureaucracy, from cabinet members on down.
Rahm Emanuel? He may be adequate to keep his schedule running smoothly. But as an adviser for how to be a straight shooter, he’s as much of a bust as AIG. Ask Chris Dodd.
eCHAN, don’t you think that the pharma biz has also evolved over the last 25plus years into something quite different than it was back in 1981? I mean, the whole thing. What Waxman did not do was predict the changes, only deal with what it was then?
Why we need criminal investigations, by Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism.
Didn’t Dodd make then-Senator Obama’s life difficult with his FISA hold that Harry Reid never honored?
Jane, slightly OT: what is going on with these Neo-Dems, led by Bayh, and including some folks I contributed to via ActBlue, like Begich. As if the Republicans weren’t providing Obama with enough trouble; now we’ve got to deal with these asshats? [Note: I know that Merkeley’s not one of the bad guys.]
Now, back to the subject at hand:
Are there NO securities lawyers and/or plaintiffs’ lawyers on the Hill? As Barney Frank has said, taxpayers OWN this company, and a shareholder derivative suit, charging, say, mismanagement, fraud, etc. seems necessary.
Rather than waiting for THAT gem to wind its way through the courts, the Legal Luminaries ought to be able to craft a request for some sort of injunctive relief, call an emergency shareholders’ meeting [that takes a while because of SEC requirements re notice, etc.], eject current directors & management, install new ones, and set this thing right.
AIG is NOT solely the greedy executives. There are all sorts of other “stakeholders” who ought to be racing down to the courthouse to throw a monkey wrench into this money-spewing machine.
We’re relying too much on the legislators, and they’re relying too much on each other, rather than on the much-maligned plaintiffs’ bar.
See also Brian Tamanaha at Jack Balkin’s. He comes to the same conclusion, if too reluctantly for my taste. But that’s a good sign; the movement is moving.
Allowing Big Pharma to advertise on TV is what really sent prices through the roof. Best I can recall, it might have been around that same time
Outstanding reporting Jane, I wish we had a thousand of you cloned and working on the peoples behalf. Something big happened today at 2;15pm. The Fed is going all out to feed the credit addict by printing 1 trillion dollars out of thin air. Considering the trillions in toxic assets on the books of AIG as well as the major banking players, we will be a banana republic before you know it. This move by Bernanke will not go over well at the upcoming G-20 in London in two weeks. Meanwhile the masses are entertained by the current dog and pony show while their country is bankrupted in front of their very eyes. The Chinese had good reason to be concerned as their T-bill investment have just taken a significant haircut.
While everyone wants Obama to undo the criminal activity of the Bush government, the fact is the dying economy is the real issue that Obama needs to deal with. A lot of knowledgeable people warned us Summers and Geithner were really bad choices for dealing with the economy, and that is being borne out.
I just wonder how Obama feels about burning political capital on keeping Geithner. He’s a banker baron like the rest of them, and his mission seems to be to make sure the bankers get their money. Note how AIG’s counter parties are mostly the bank buddies of Geithner.
Honestly, Jane, I hope these elected reps don’t all begin to run when they see you coming. I think this is a turning point, to have you in DC where you can let them know that you are smart and informed and have a big posse out here in blogland.
Because this is better than having money. You have the big bullhorn. Ride ‘em!!
I guess this is a stupid question but sometimes I can be stupid
suppose one of the execs who give their bonus backs decides to leave and suppose THAT is a person we NEED to undo the damage he did since he’s the only one that might no the depths of his decisions
can we legally draft the man and force him into service, put him to work fixing the mess ?(with someone competant watching over of course)
how the hell can we allow threats of “well then the people we need will leave”
I don’t even buy the premise but if the premise is true it seems to me we can simply draft the fellow
If you look at the chart, it’s like a V: steadily declining “real” pharma prices prior to 1981, steadily increasing thereafter. The only event that happened that year (might be off by a year one way or the other; I did that chart about 20 years ago) was generic drug legislation.
The legislation made patent drug cos raise prices as much as possible as soon as possible to recoup costs before the patent ran out. In the process they discovered something that they should have known all along: the drugs are price inelastic, meaning the patent drug corp gains a lot more in revenue by raising prices because it doesn’t lose many sales.
I saw exactly the same thing in soft drinks after the 1974 spike in sugar prices. (Probably the last time a Wall Streeter threw himself out of a window.) Turned out that soft drink profit margins rose after the sugar prices spike because they discovered that soft drink consumption was price inelastic. Heck, they even used it as an excuse to raise prices on diet soft drinks.
Not sure what you mean by change. If you mean technology, I know very little about the specifics of the industry by am skeptical of that argument in general. Today’s tech always looks so much more important than yesterday’s tech, but probably is no more important than yesterday’s was.
I think advertising ban was repealed quite a bit later, but don’t really remember the date. I’ll see if I can find it.
Let’s try not to focus on the BONUSes, which Liddy was all too happy to talk about.
Let’s focus on the DEALS, which he was very squirmy about, and happy to see the subject changed when a ‘critter’s time ran out.
The DEALS are the crime; the BONUSes are the SHINY
Can anybody provide a cogent reason WHY AIG shouldn’t be busted up using RICO anit-trust laws?
If its too big to fail–its too damn big anyway!
Excellent comment, thanks.
That’s what I was thinking today. There’s a shiny bonus target floating around out there, but in the meantime…
Obama is indeed burning political capital by keeping Geithner and Summers. With those two flockers for friends who needs enemies? Obama would be wise to cut them both loose ASAP. They are so full of teh suck.
And the winger MSM loves to put their stupid mugs on tv and their stupid words on the radio.
Naw. All articles are much more recent and not on topic. Can’t search to the end of 38,900 refs to find the right one. Sorry.
Somewhat OT,but,imho,worth mentioning{from a couple of years ago]
Dubai Ports World sells U.S. assets to AIG insurance. | Article … Dubai Ports World sells US assets to AIG insurance. … find Daily News (NY, NY) articles. Byline: James Gordon Meek Dec. 12–WASHINGTON — The Dubai …
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[PDF] Dubai Ports World (DPW) today announced it has sold its 100 … File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
a member company of AIG Global Investment Group entered into an agreement in Dubai to purchase P&O Ports North America (POPNA) from P&O Holdings, Inc., …
http://www.aiginvestments.com/NR/rdon…..121106.pdf – Similar pages
AIG to buy U.S. port operations from Dubai – MarketWatch NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — American International Group Inc. said Monday that one of its subsidiaries is buying port operations in several US cities from …
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I’ve been trying unsuccessfully to track down the date. I’ll let you know if I find it.
Obama surely bought into the bank line that having people from inside was teh necessary b/c it was just too complex for anyone else to manage. I guess he probably is regretting buying that blow now.
He needs to whack them out right away…and anyone else who insists on conducting business as usual. Will he do this? Not looking too promising right at the moment, although I did hear Kuttner say this morning that he thought Geithner would be out in 60 days, give or take.
Hey Timmy: Can you take your boy Larry with you, please?
Hi, Pups
Shuster on Countdown with excerpts of President Obama’s “town hall” in California. I found myself shouting at my TeeBee machine. Sigh. Talk is cheap. Hope to see a little discussion tonight.
Thanks Jane and Marcy for all the great coverage today.
FunnyDiva
Don’t bother. I’ve got my story and I’m sticking with it. *g*
I looked too but don’t know how to narrow the search enough to find it.
AFAIK, the only division that is really criminal and responsible for this is the Financial Products division.
I’m not sure if the other divisions are any more corrupt than their oligopic competitors.
I do support using the Financial Products Division as an entry into what I assume is a much wider scope of extremely serious looting/financial crimes. If that means RICO, I have no problem.
I couldn’t watch it.
Agree.
They probably haven’t figured out that it should be done that way.
They seem to see everything in terms writing a new law, without looking to see if there’s already one on the books that will cover the situation. (Some lawyers they are!)
Yes, 165 million is less than .01% of 170 billion AIG had recieved. Maybe that was the (braindead accounting software) threshold,
Skimming through the pdf at this link, it appears the advertising ban was overturned in 2002. SEEMS like they’ve been running TV ads longer than that but perhaps not.
i never thought he was ALL THAT,
Thursday, November 20, 2008 Senator James Inhofe has revealed that Henry Paulson was behind the threats of martial law and a new great depression prior to …
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Paulson Was Behind Bailout Martial Law Threat : business Nov 20, 2008 … Declaring martial law is the same as declaring war on the citizens of this country. The federal government does not have this authority and …
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COMMENT: Would this not illustrate Paulson’s desperation to obtain the original bailout money back in Nov.,2008.
If you recall, Paulson’s original bailout plan was a 3 page document given to Congress with the expectation there would be no questions asked and no oversight by Congress as to how and where the money would be spent.
Am I the only one who remembers Paulson’s original effrontery and chutzpah?
There was a lot of tap-dancing going on, alright. For me, the rhetoric is starting to wear thin. Radical problems require radical solutions, so how’s about we can the talk and get on with the program, yo?
My guess would have been sometime in the 1990s. But you’re right, the ads are so obnoxious, it seems like forever. I have to mute the ED ads or switch channels, and now there’s some female product ads that are equally cringe inducing.
Here is a link to an html history. Seems to confirm that it was 2002.
Notice how many times Liddy said that AIG owes the American taxpayers eighty billion dollars, completely ignoring the Maiden Lane I & II debt that used be AIG’s but is now the USA’s.
The Fed has made an aggressive commitment to monetary expansion through its balance sheet to support the financial system.
What was particularly repugnant was the co-ordinated actions in the market ahead of this announcement. This included a major bear raid on the precious metals, and the panic-covering of the financial shares before the official announcement. The cure of the crisis ought not to be an occasion for looting, fraud, deception, and personal enrichment by insiders who in many cases caused the problems which we are facing today.
The US government is engaging in the same artificial tactics that lead to the tech bubble and the housing bubble. They are artificial because they are not accompanied by systemic change and meaningful reform ala Roubini. We are shooting the patient with morphine so they can go back to work without treating the disease.
The next phase of this financial credit crisis will be take down the US Bond and the dollar. That is what is known as a financial heart attack.
Color me unsurprised that the Senators (like Dodd) who made Paulson’s “legislation” more transparent and accountable are now being blamed for the parts of it that are SHINY
I ran across some links to info on Big Pharma advertising budgets but didn’t take the time to follow. I’d be willing to make an uneducated bet that on average it is several times their R & D budget.
Sorry, 0.1%, an even more standard execptable error.
Thanks for that. I tuned in late and wasn’t sure what the diff was.
insanity still reigns,fire,fire,turn the movie off
I think you’re right from some dim back file drawer in my brain. I do know that me-too research is 80% of the pharma R&D budget. Me-too is to find the nearest patentable difference from a blockbuster drug. It’s how Cialis quickly followed Viagra.
@59Goldstandard:
There’s a terrific site called Jessie’s American Cafe.Very classy and ulta informative.
I was reading just this evening a thread over there speaking of the very same things you are referring to re: minerals and metals.
It is one of the best looking and smartest financial sites I’ve come across(except firedoglake,of course.)
that is a misnomer,most RandD are done in the major teaching hospitals at government expense,most their$$$ go to the incessant,farcical advertising
How many consumers do you suppose have sought immediate medical attention for a lalalalala lasting more than four hours?
I specifically mentioned pharma R&D, not medical R&D in total.
Lalalalala. I don’t want to hear it.
You know, Ben helicoptered a TRILLION dollars into the economy today.
But no one’s talking about that! Isn’t that amazing?
I was wondering of any one had seen this clip on the Fed Reserve and the financial crisis by Populist lawyer Gary Fielder and if so what do you think abt what Fielder has to say? It’s 1 1/2 hrs long.
The Gig Is Up: Money, the Federal Reserve and You
http://video.google.com/videop…..#038;hl=en
The first thing I thought of when I heard mention of using tax laws to get back those bonuses was “Aren’t they in London?” This certainly isn’t special knowledge. So, either that idea is utter nonsense, or there’s something I don’t know. Either is certainly possible, but for now I’m assuming it’s nonsense.
The Obama Administration aren’t our friends on this.
Bob Dole was doing Viagra ads in the ’90s after he lost to clinton so at least that far back
I’d be calling Guinness first…
Used the new “edit” feature to censor the comment at 68 for you.
watertiger upstairs
I wish they would all stop reacting to events and start making the positive, proactive changes to our laws that will prevent this financial crap from happening in the future.
But that’s probably too much to ask.
Drink enough Guinness and it wouldn’t go up in the first place.
Thanks, Jane.
They don’t get it at all.
We need criminal investigations. If they turn up nothing, that’s fine. That’s not the point. Trust is the point.
The current ”plan” isn’t working. More ”liquidity infusions” are not going to get the market moving. Greed is the problem.
A shell game of any sort with the bonuses is not going to work, either. I don’t believe these people are as precious as they say. Liddy couldn’t even find his way around a single page of a financial statement today.
It’s going against the tide but I’m kinda feeling if the whole house of cards falls apart the rest of us out here might be just fine. It’s the bankers who would be in trouble. What would they do living in a tent????
Obama needs to come up with a new plan that doesn’t involve enriching any of these people. They got their share already. In spades. They don’t care about the rest of us and they are too greedy for us ever to ”buy” their loyalty. Look at all the ransom threats. Like Hugh says they are ”unreformable.”
Geithner will be very disappointing next Tuesday. I only hope he gets the kinds of questions Liddy got today that showed these emperors have no clothes. This is the kind of medicine we all need.
try this.
Looks like FDA started “clarifying” broadcast direct-to-consumer rules in ‘97 and finalized the regs in ‘99. But I found another mention that TV was about 13% of DTC budget in ‘94 and over 60% by ‘97.
When there’s a medical/scientific/technical angle, try scholar.google.com
FunnyDiva
im talking about the reasearch and developement of new drugs
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17244
Teddy @ 71: Yes they are,but not here.
I saw it earlier over at:
Jesse’s Café Américain Edward M. Liddy is currently the chief executive officer of American ….. Welcome to Jesse’s Café Américain – These are personal observations about the …
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I think that kind of monetary shenanigans doesn’t have much influence on the economy. At most, it seems to be oriented toward reviving the supply of credit, but as there’s no demand for credit (liquidity trap), what the FRB does is irrelevant, now that interest rates are zero.
yea ,i was wondering about that too
in what sense? the “I’m gonna throw something sense”, or the “I’m at work, can’t manage it sense”?
FunnyDiva
You need to seek medical attention for that?
Oops
;~P
Before the mods got to it? Heh.
Thanks, that’s about what I would have guessed.
I wrote the other day abt where do the super rich put there money because the FDIC only guarantees $250,000. This film says they put there money in the Fed Reserve (and then loan it to our gov) and that it is the wealthy that bet on the derivatives. It also has a clip from PBS talking about how bad the derivatives were back 1995. So I’m guessing some of that bail out money went to them.
http://video.google.com/videop…..#038;hl=en
Didn’t think referencing an actual disclaimer from a TV ad was THAT offensive. Apologies if it was.
I wasn’t talking about R&D for drugs in total, I was merely talking about big pharma R&D, and that’s what I said. It’s important to make that point because big pharma always sez we have to pay high prices to pay for THEIR research. So you should know that the vast majority of that research is me-too.
I was unaware that pharma research occurs outside of big pharma, so thanks for that. It is yet another powerful reason to trash the drug monster corps.
Can’t chase down links now, but even within the industry it’s well known that marketing costs dwarf R&D…even considering all the dead ends one has to explore to develop anything marketable/profitable.
FunnyDiva
After I said I found the ads cringe inducing, I thought you were just jerking my chain.
I’m certain it’s good for TV ad revenues, just bad for seniors and other low income folks who don’t take their meds.
they make zillions off,drugs that were meant for multiple conditions
It is a little surprising that I’ve heard that one, I typically mute all commercials.
I watched parts of Obama’s Town Hall and when he was explaining what the banksters did with the CDSs I don’t know if it’s overexposure here, my latent rage, or having to listen to Liddy most of the day but what Obama was describing to me sounded so blatantly ILLEGAL I was shocked to hear him tell the story without calling for indictments.
So, that’s the problem isn’t it? That Obama can blithely explain these things like ~ ”they had only 1/10th the deposits they should have had behind the insurance instruments they were selling” {paraphrased but not misrepresented!} and not be aware that he’s describing a CRIME!!!!!
Sigh.
Cujo @ 73:
Here is a link to a terrific site with encyclopedic financial info-based in London,actually. The blog on this TJN is superb with up to date info on issues being discussed here,mong many others.:
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If I’m multitasking, I don’t always hit the mute in time, so they trickle into the subconscious. And that one’s been on an infinite number of times.
I have had my fill of Obama speechifying, so I couldn’t listen. He actually described what they were doing without attaching a value judgement? That is simply amazing. What would it have cost him in a speech (meaning he doesn’t have to really do anything) to do a little villifying? Perhaps he doesn’t understand it well enough to do so?
I think less and less of dodd by the moment. first of all, his provision was just a dog-and-pony show which he had to know damn well was just going to be negotiated out during committee. the whores in the senate voted UNANIMOUSLY for an anti-wall street executive pay measure?! Huh! That’s all for show, they knew it would be negotiated out in committee. It’s a wink-and-nodder where they vote one way when it’s time to be counted in the public eye and then pleasure who they really work for behind closed doors during “committee” where the public does not see what is going on. And I’m so f’ing tired of hearing that if wall street doesn’t get its way, then they won’t participate and they’ll take the whole system down with them! These bastards are criminals, and even though they’ve written the damn laws, it’s quite likely they still broke some laws in the wall street green light go-go years of the bush era in their head rush of buying off the government after so much of their corruption was revealed in 2002. They had zero to fear at that point … aided and abetted by the whores from both sides of the big bed … and there was no longer any caution becoz they had been caught and paid zero price for it. They knew it was their government then. The government … their government obviously … has significant leverage on these criminals in the form of the justice system if they cared to deploy it rather than run around with them hand-in-hand like two giddy school children at an amusement park ready to jump on the merry-go-round. it’s all a f’ing game to these jackasses.
so this whole f’ing charade gave dodd the chance to posture as being tough on wall street … which he probably desired with his election coming up in ‘10 and being that his biggest past campaign contributor is the biggest disaster of the whole corrupt mess … but it effectively did nothing. but he got his soundbite … and that’s all that mattered. And now it’s down to the pointing fingers game that none of them will do upfront although reptilian deviants like emanuel will do it under the cloak of anonymity in the form of a “senior administration official”. note that dodd doesn’t have the guts to tell us who actually insisted upon it. if it was so important and the fix wasn’t in and he damn well knew the administration was going to fight against in committee, then why have your aides deal with it so casually … why wasn’t he there?
and furthermore, this is why you know that he is full of shit and reaching for another substance-less soundbite: he’s talking more bullshit about how the provisions that he put into that bill in his compromise will get the money back … talking with certainty. And here’s what these deceitful pieces of garbage will do … they’re already road testing it in the media now to see how f’ing stupid we are (geithner does this shit a lot) … they are going to add it on to the bill that aig will never pay back. that is unless you believe that aig is going to pay back $170B!!!! meanwhile the people that gotten the money will keep it unless congress gets it back thru taxes.
This is hardly the only troubling matter involving dodd … nor his only shady relationship with the finance industry (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/23/dodd-repeats-denial-of-mo_n_108725.html). Shouldn’t Lamont run against him? And even if dodd loses to a republican in Connecticut, what essentially is the difference between a senate republican and a senate democrat? They both vote unanimously for something that they casually let aides strip out during committee. For the most part, and there are some … some … notable exceptions with the democrats (including my favorite senator Bernie Sanders) … but mainly it is equivalence of the difference between a red headed whore and a brunette whore … who will wear a red-headed wig if you pay them enough … they both still pull the same tired tricks to pleasure wall street. And I don’t mean no disrespect to women … I am not even referring to women … these whores are despicable saggy-assed 70-year old men.
Z
much basic research is gov’t funded.
Clinical trials of medicines and devices are NOT publicly funded. Nor are the kinds of studies needed to get product produced in marketable quantity and consistent, controlled, regulated manner.
FunnyD
The industry and perhaps Bushies pushed for less and less and less regulation and specifically NO regulations of credit default swaps.
It wasn’t illegal, just stupid and dangerous for America.
Here is another great piece on CNN on this topic – Click HERE to see the video
Thank you for your endless work, Jane. What I see is that the light is getting a little bright in DC. The creatures of darkness are all being exposed for the corporate tools they are, and they’re scrambling around in dismay that their dark little secrets are slowly but surely being exposed.
It’s up to us to keep that light shining, both literally and figuratively because that’s what’s going to save us. Be the lighthouses we were made to be.
I found an old clip that’s only 4 minutes on the July 23, 1995
“60 Minutes” segment on derivatives that was posted Oct 2008.
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/…..-on-d.html
hey firedogs,
other than the nictating membranes, I don’t know much about Rahm – is it possible he pushed on Dodd so as to get Dodd to oh so reluctantly out Geitner’s complicity in all of this ?
Excuse me here, but maybe I don’t totally understand the tax laws involved….my thought is that if you are paid by a U.S. corp you are liable for that amount in tax dollars U.S. no matter what your citizenship may be. It seems that while I lived in Canada my expat friends who were Americans were obligated to the U.S. to pay taxes for all compensation they received as U.S. citizens and they had to declare any U.S. compensation. My Canadian friends were also liable for any U.S. dollars they received for any service they performed that they were paid in U.S. dollars for or any dollars that came from the U.S. Help me here please!
It also occurs to me that no matter who paid you you were liable for the taxes of the country you were paid by. Neither Uncle Sam nor the PM wants to watch you walk away without paying your full share.
You are liable for US taxes regardless of where you live, however there are Tax Treaties all over the place to keep people from being taxed twice.
So in Canada you pay taxes to Canada and then unless you make a lot of money you don’t pay any to the US. However, you have to file the US forms with calculations showing you don’t meet the threshold. And no US social security if you haven’t paid into it. The situation is much complicated by working overseas only for a short period (like part of a year … egads!)
If you do earn enough to have US taxes kick in, Canada then gives you a break on those amounts, reducing your Canadian taxes (but those forms really complicated).
It’s really really fun to have US witholding (for family real estate in the US in my case) while you are living in Canada and try to fill out the forms well enough to get THAT back.
Hope that helps.
Thank you, Jane. Absent your diligent work holding these Kabuki contortionists accountable, the country remains at grave risk.
Next time you’ve corralled Dodd or Frank, ask them what are the total outstanding derivative losses and unresolved credit risk liabilities from the London operation both on and off AIG’s balance sheet?
When they say they don’t know, ask them by when will they confirm the figures, then disclose to U.S. taxpayers their full purchase price for 80% of AIG — $170 billion & counting + all assumed liabilities?
It was clear from the first $85 billion bail out that from that point on, Paulson’s Fed mafia now would be in charge of guarding the graveyard where most of these obscenely leveraged WMD bodies were buried.
This isn’t a crisis of confidence. It is a confidence game in crisis.
Thank you, Jane. I think the questions your crew came up with were an incredible educational process to understanding this issue, for the EveryCitizen.
As soon as I read them I knew they were too good for Congress. But perfect for the ordinary taxpayer.
Breaking News: Dodd Says loophole that protects AIG Bonuses added per request of the Obama administration. The video is about a fifth of the way down.
http://www.butasforme.com/2009…..t-bonuses/
Obama should take full and direct responsibility for this mess.
Right.
Responsibility is the hallmark of all reformed libs. You ought to know.
Thank you, Jane, for doing such an excellent job!
I don’t know what Obama is thinking when it comes to all of this. Many people who support Obama (myself included), are scratching their heads trying desperately to someway give him the benefit of the doubt, even though we all know he has made some serious mistakes in judgement. There is an old saying that we have all heard many times – “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then its a duck!” Pure and simple…
Sounds like Son of Bush.
Jane.
Outstanding piece.
I have taken your thesis and expanded it.
“Of Bonuses, Lies and Videotape: Tim Geithner Might Not Last the Weekend”
The AIG bonus issue is quickly becoming a nightmare for the Obama administration as several new reports now call into question the truthfullness of statements made by administration officials earlier this week. The issue has now advanced to the who-knew-what-and-when stage, which is generally a prelude to a forced resignation. The obfuscation and outright lies from members of the Obama administration support the notion of a cover-up. We reveal the details below.
http://dailybail.com/home/bail…..e-the.html
Links to your 2 articles are included prominently.
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=3383
Obama, Dodd Outraged at AIG Campaign Cash
by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace • 69 Comments
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So, the two entities that came together and ”compromised” on the bill and took out the provision that could have prevented the big aig bonuses from being paid out are also the two entities that got the most campaign contribution cash from the company … routed from guess who? US, our f’ing tax money/future debt! They are taking our tax money to maintain their power structure. How can this relationship not be considered as being one that has coalesced into being an adversary of the american people?
So let’s review their money laundering/plundering operation:
Step 1: The government (G) takes the money off us to rescue aig (A).
Step 2: some decision makers in aig (A) feed some of the money back into election campaigns of our .. no, sorry … their politicians in our … sorry … their government (G).
Step 3: then their politicians (G) that decisions makers in aig (A) fed OUR money the most to, turn around and ”compromise” on a bill that leaves a loop hole that allows some of those same decision makers in aig (A) get huge bonuses …
… even though they (A) are the ones responsible for crashing our economy .. the world economy … and (G) let them do it. Which necessitated (G) stealing the original money off of us … money which they personally acquired a portion of after changing hands with it a few times before it finds itself resting comfortably in their pockets. I guess that is what criminal organizations call washing money … huh
AND WHY THE FUCK ARE THESE COMPANIES ABLE TO TAKE OUR TAX PAYER DOLLARS AND THEN TAKE THAT MONEY, OUR MONEY, AND FEED IT BACK INTO OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM TO USE AS LEVERAGE TO BRIBE OUR POLITICIANS SO THAT THEY CAN GET IT INTO THEIR PERSONAL POCKETS????!!!!! AND WE WONDER WHY ALL THIS MONEY IS BEING SUNK INTO OUR ECONOMY AND YET THE ECONOMY GOES NOWHERE!!!!! BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO US … OUR MONEY … IT IS GOING TO THEM!!!
Actually, more accurately they are stealing future tax dollars from us that we will pay a more immediate price for in the form of inflation as they inflate the money supply and grab the extra money coming in and … since it does not make its way back to us … our money is diluted.
Was this purposeful by obama and dodd? I do not know … but it looks pretty bad because the two people that happen to be so pivotal in making sure that the provision got removed, got the most money. And they, dodd in particular, did not know that they were getting this much aig money in campaign contributions until now? especially dodd … it’s money from his home state.
But, regardless, this is what our system has devolved to: a thistle maze of corruption. And this lays it bare and it looks very, very ugly lying … probably in more ways than one … naked.
can anyone keep a straight face and say that this is OUR government? That this government is not in fact OUR ENEMY? The development of this monstrosity is much, mucch more bush’s and even clinton’s fault than obama’s, to be fair. But this is what it is now: a cancerous growth between their government and themselves/the banking elites that not only steals wealth off of us but indirectly causes deaths amongst us … suicides, broken families, broken relationships, and an overall poorer quality of lives as a result of the economic predicaments it puts our more vulnerable into. And actually often our simply unluckiest. They take so much off of us that people that want to make a living and work a productive job can’t … while they produce nothing but take everything they can.
And this is the same government that incarcerates us more than any other on the planet raw number wise and per capita wise with this country having 5% of the world’s population and 25% of the world’s prison population. This government, which essentially is a corporate big business/wall street subsidiary … more bluntly: a criminal operation specializing in murder, theft and fraud … is not our government. It is our enemy. It is our ruler … and we are its subjects.
Welcome to AIGovernment … the sticky hands people … you are here for us.
We are an insurance company that takes premiums from you so that in the event that we create a huge economic disaster, we can maintain our wealth and power order. But don’t worry, you don’t have to send in the premiums, we take them from you ourselves with direct withdraw.
AIGovernment … it’s ours and you paid for it.
And we also take your money at 0% interest and loan it back to you at 9%.
Z
I’m not sure I buy that “recoup costs” argument. The huge profits just don’t fit the model. I think we are seeing abuse of the patents. Patents are not really property as the silver-tongued corporate lawyers so glibly claim. Patents are a limited monopoly. It has always been my non-lawyer understanding that, in the US at least, a patent holder is only allowed to charge a reasonable price, not ANY price. You can’t abuse the monopoly without risking its loss. No?