And America, rather than ask, “Oh my god, what have we become?” instead, on the whole, screams “Hellz yeah!”
Senate Majority leader Harry Reid has vowed to introduce legislation within the next day to recoup those noisome AIG bonuses, and House Financial Services Committee member Brad Sherman is planning a bill to impose a surtax on executive pay for companies receiving federal bailouts. President Obama is asking his Treasury Secretary to pursue every angle to block payment of the AIG bonuses. . . at least the ones to the Financial Products division. There is, it seems, a contest to see who can claim their pound of flesh in more serious and severe tones.
All well and good. . . not the first time leaders have sought to ride the wave of public outrage. . . but where does it get us?
As onerous as the AIG bonuses are—which is very—they are but a tiny symptom of a thoroughly systemic disease. The $165 million in bonuses due this particular group at AIG make up less than one-tenth of one percent of the insurance giant’s entire rescue “plan.”
Problem is, what’s needed is not a rescue plan; what’s needed is a complete restructuring plan to ensure that this doesn’t happen again.
When members of the Capital Markets subcommittee of the House Financial Services Committee hold hearings on this bonus battle tomorrow, there will no doubt be no shortage of grand and angry words. Executives will be paraded before Congress, and while the seppuku knives will likely stay sheathed, the Representatives will each take turns verbally filleting these Masters of the Universe for all the world—and most of their districts—to see. All, of course, on behalf of the American people, so that these executives can know their—know our—rage.
To which I say: Don’t do me any favors.
If this panel, this committee, this government as a whole wanted to help, they would keep the speechifying to a minimum, and use their time asking tough questions about what was negotiated, who allowed this to happen, and what can be done to prevent this from happening again. "This" being the entire “gives us your money or we blow up your economy” scenario, not just the big bonuses for the architects of our misfortune.
It is believed that the Federal Reserve has doled out something like $1.2 trillion to AIG and a long list of other banks and brokerage houses. It is believed because we don’t know—or, more specifically, we know that the money is gone, but we don’t really know where it went.
It seems almost unfathomable. Almost too big to un-fail. But, if Congress, the President, and opinion leaders are looking for a place to start, perhaps they can start by mustering even a quarter of the outrage they’ve exhibited over the AIG bonuses, and use it to decry the lack of transparency in the TARP and Federal Reserve “rescue” plans. Without that basic knowledge, the way out of this remains a mysterious heap—a heap worthy of anger, fear, angst, outrage, and, for better or worse, pitchforks.
Do you have questions that you want asked? Leave them below. And let Congress know you demand transparency. We’ll be taking your comments to the Hill tomorrow.
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- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Senator Byron Dorgan, Reckless!: How Debt, Deregulation and Black Money Nearly Bankrupted America
- New York Fed, Congress Knew About AIG Bonuses All Along





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Too big to fail = too big to exist.
Too complex to be understood = too complex to be legal
Thanks Gregg.
digg is open.
Until selise gets here, I’m going to steal her great line:
“Fair Trials!”
My question is, what is stopping us from immediately breaking up AIG and selling it off? How much do we stand to lose, versus how much can we gain from hanging on? And for how long?
Knowing AIG, they’ll hire Blackwater to do security.
If AIG is broken up now would the profitable insurance divisions be liable for the losses of the FP division as they are uncovered in the future?
We don’t need a fix, a repair, a bailout. We need a new equitable financial system which is a public utility not a profit center for wealthy who do nothing but expect enormous earnings on their already accumulated wealth.
I would like Congress to demand all emails and other documentation of the initial discussions of the bailout last fall so the public knows who was talking to who and what their expectations were.
I would also like all documents made public from the subsequent bailout plans.
And finally, I want to know who is being investigated (and by whom) for fraud and how soon the public can expect a full report on that investigation. This of course presumes there is such an investigation. There had better be one.
As you note, the bonuses are the least of it. If the government expects to use our tax dollars to bailout failed companies, I want a return on that investment: a full and thorough investigation, with a public accounting of what went wrong, and a regulatory plan that will prevent a recurrence of this sort of debacle.
Burn down Connecticut!
And just now on the NewsHour, they are talking about the 1920 bombing of Wall Street
promoting insurrection?
Newts Nightmare of class warfare is coming true and not all the MSM lies can save him.
How very Japanese of him.
Next step limits on all executive pay!
I hope everyone is enjoying the kabuki while the govt is robbing us blind.
More like fear-mongering to justify beefing up “security” against the enraged populace.
FunnyDiva
Thank you! I’ve been screaming about this on blogs all over the place. The bonuses are a distraction ala Bush Era.
When these bailouts were first proposed everyone in America was screaming “don’t do it!” and they ignored US. Now they can be seen hurrying to save a drop in the bucket while our economy goes down the drain.
What a waste of populist anger! We instead should be standing out in front of Congress with the pitchforks and maybe even the White House demanding them stop bailing out banks which by now has gone beyond twice the entire earth’s GDP for 2 years with the American taxpayer on the hook for the bill.
Meanwhile everything for the people is moving with glacial slowness. including usury laws : OH, we’ll get around to doing something abut those in a year and half. GAD!
We’ve been massaged again! I hate this!
Ooooh, eCAHN, you terrible conserva-crat you! Leave Obama ALOOOOOOONE!1!!1!!!
Like I say, ‘plus ca change‘ I can’t believe.
FunnyDiva
We need transparency on the bailout first to stop this from happening again.
We the people need to know the details to debate this.
Right now I see no way that the tax payers will set their money back.
Thanks for the post, Gregg.
To clarify,though y’all are encouraging us to move the debate forward and onward onto the bigger issues, right? Not arguing that we should be ignoring the bonus thing? Gotta have some tinder to get the torches lit, right?
FunnyD
It’s not just Obama, it’s the Ds in congress as well, especially those who are wholly owned subs of Wall St like Dodd, Schumer (and Clinton).
Please tell me you are bringing all the blog post and comments we have had on this subject for a week now!
Then tell Congress we intend to keep this up! This will not go away and every day it continues we want more.
That…is the larger picture…which most are missing with this outrage
Agree.
Geithner and Rahm are trying to blame this latest bonus disaster on Dodd.
Oh, I’m wit’ ya. I was just being snark-astic.
The problem is very deep and wide, unfortunately, propped up by the Villager wing of both major parties and enabled by the current WH.
Darn. Gonna need to up my meds again…
FunnyD
I just can’t believe anybody still beleives Obama is going to change a thing for the betterment of the American people. He’s a Bilderberg/ Tri-lateral Commission/Counsel on Foreign Relations kinda guy.
We’re watching the takeover of the world by the corporate banks. Garb your popcorn….that’s prolly all you’ll have to eat anyway.
Change, Mr Obama? get rid of NSPD 51 right now.
I can’t believe they still think we’re this stupid.
I agree with complete restructuring. The housing bubble, its aftermath, the financial meltdown, its fallout, what the financial industry has done with the help it has received, how at every chance it reverts to precisely the practices that produced this mess, all show that the financial system is unreformed and unreformable.
Questions that should be asked tomorrow are:
Why has AIG been paying off in full obligations that weren’t even in default?
Has AIG been paying off any naked CDSs? Has it demanded proof of whether a CDS was naked or equity backed? How many of the CDSs it sold were of the naked variety? How many are still on its books?
Why did AIG say it could not release the names of those it paid off? And then why did it then do so? Were any of the payouts to banks for obligations held by third parties (like hedge funds)? Did it demand this information? If not, why not?
Do any of AIG’s divisions have any direct exposure to what AIGFP was doing or is their exposure limited to that of the parent holding company?
How many new staff and regulators have been added to the AIGFP unit to learn and monitor its activities?
Did Liddy AIG’s current CEO and before that an employee at Goldman Sachs ever have any contacts with the current Goldman CEO Blankfein or anyone else at Goldman about AIG or the $20 billion in bonds that Goldman would have lost out on if AIG imploded? Did Liddy still own any Goldman stock whose value would have been protected by the government’s AIG takeover?
Liddy receives $1 in salary heading AIG. Does he receive any other compensation or perks of any kind for his work?
Geithner, Summers, the Whole DLC, the Blue Dogs and of course the GOP has always been the business party although they are trying to run away from that now.
They wanted an issue to attack Obama with but an issue that puts them against big business?
Be careful what you wish for:)
funny video – i’ve always said grassley is just adorable when he’s recommending people commit suicide.
Also Credit default swaps can we stop any new ones from being wrote.
What Hugh asks. With knobs on. Hugh speaks/asks for me.
FunnyDiva
On average, people in the upper echelons of government probably piss away $165 million before breakfast. Be nice if they demanded value for the tax dollars they spend ALL the time, as opposed to only staging these crappy little theatrical productions when there are political points in the offing.
Instead of meds, I’m zoning out with a tuna casserole comfort food from my youth. Topped with potato sticks. Woweee!
Anti trust law? Or should we just break them up and sell them once we know what they are worth, or keep them until they are worth something?
The NewsHour has the NYT’s Sorkin on. He’s the idiot that wrote the article (Jane had a post on earlier today) that defended the AIG bonuses.
When VSP complain about how bad the govt would be about running banks, I retort: well, a govt run bank certainly wouldn’t financially engineer itself into bankruptcy.
Well we don’t have their books so we and Geithner have no idea what they are worth.
Good come back:) VSP?
I’ve pretty much given up on the NewsHour, which leaves… nothing.
“…but where does it get us?”
Exactly.
I want someone – anyone – in Congress to admit – loudly – to having made serious mistakes in supporting years of massive deregulation and these sloppy, sloppy bailouts.
Not: “mistakes were made” – a la Barney Frank.
I want to hear: “I made mistakes” and then I want to hear that person say what they will do to fix the problems they caused.
“Meanwhile everything for the people is moving with glacial slowness.”
Your good!
So you voted for McCain?
Very Special People, like the Villagers, the talking heads, the (s)think-tankers.
That’s it. In a nutshell.
Should be repeated over and over and over…
Pols only favor personal accountability for incumbents they seek to replace. After they’re elected… feggit about it.
Seconded.
Nightly Business Report on Kanjorksi & AIG
it’s puke-acious
mmmm. Mommmmm! Can I go to eCAHN’s for dinner?!!
And I was speaking figuratively…I prefer to find comfort in tasty morsels, myself.
Leftover pizza at my house. Mmmm.
FunnyD
Wouldya like some Perogies with Salmon and a nice Shiraz ?
Oh and Mika makes me miss Tweety !
I multi-task. But I agree that we need to keep our attention on Geithner’s trillion dollar Frankenstein monsters to buy up crap assets for the benefit of banks and hedge funds or back securitized credit instruments.
A little fear and mob action might work when people and blogs can’t get any response as to where is my money.
Once we know whats been done with our money we can discuss what should be done with the money.
The Elite do not deserve the benefit of the doubt and they will not listen to us so well we won’t do much.
20%ers milita guys with Uranium that they turned a blind eye to to threaten us are their worries now.
We are the reasonable alternative talk with us or they can face their own creation alone.
Delightful. Rob us *and* insult our intelligence.
Hold out your plate. I’ve got plenty before I freeze the leftovers!
Ah the CW the conventional Wisdom Dean Broder gotcha
Perogies and tuna casserole, um, not so much. I’ll have a leftover perogie tomorrow though!
Are they testing Mika for her own show?
We seem to have tons – TONS and TONS – of money to throw away in Iraq and into companies like AIG and yet we can’t get affordable health care in this country.
It makes me sick.
Fundamental reform MUST happen NOW.
A twofer! Hadn’t thought about that.
Am listening to an audio version of Crowdsourcing, which documents how much smarter groups of interested people are than the VSPs at the top.
Sorkin just said, I kid you not, that one of the good things about the government bailout of AIG was the money did not just sit there but was paid out.
Another question to ask Liddy: If Glass-Steagall was still in force, would AIG be in the state it is now?
Hopefully on The Shopping Channel … her depth and insightfulness makes her a shoe- in (sic) *g*
Very Serious People
I want to rescue these cretins.. I want to make sure they have access to universal health care when they get out of PRISON!
in addition to phred and hugh’s points, i’d like to see that not another dime is spent to bail out anyone until we have:
1. a complete accounting of what’s already been spent.
2. no more naked shorts
3. glass-steagall and usury laws enacted
4. bonuses returned or taxed away
5. bailouts only with equivalent govt ownership
Righto, my mistake: Serious, not Special.
It’s yours … and here’s some Soave Bolla to go with your Casserole …
Cool. “book” report diary at Oxdown? Please? I’ll read it.
PS, thanks for the casserole.
FunnyD
Gracia.
I vote that Hugh’s questions are the best and should be on top of the pile, particularly with respect to Goldman Sachs.
Seconded
Hmmm. Hadn’t thought of doing book reviews on Oxdown. Is a good idea. Audio books would be hard to do because I listen while I’m doing other things (like bicycling to my Board meeting today). But books I read would be good. Especially Legacy of Ashes. Unforetunately it’s been a month since I finished it, but next time I read something really good & relevant, I’ll try to do a book review. Thanks for the idea.
Don’t forget to Digg!
You’re welcome.
I just meant if there are a couple take-home points that stuck with you and seem applicable to us fire-pups, a diary would be teh awesome.
FunnyD.
You know what would be a great idea ? A book review of Napoleon Hill’s “Think & Grow Rich” and contrast that sage advice with the mindset of CorpAmerica today. Lesse if I can find a copy …
I ordered a copy and it arrived a couple of months ago, but I haven’t read it yet.
Very well stated, greenwarrior. Your list should also be top of the pile!
I was thinking that I’d try writing a review myself but of course you’d do a better job of contrasting the ideals of Napoleon Hill with the Leeches we have running CorpAmerica now.
Petro, I’d love to read your review! The more the merrier! Don’t hold back.
Micro book-salon at Oxdown!
FunnyD
Yeah, it might be a good idea to take a break from writing my book and do a book review … *g*
Okay, I’ll read it and write a rough outline of a review, unless eCAHN is going to do it … I’d rather read her review anyways.
Anyone wishing to understand what is happening both with AIG as well as the worlds economy should take a moment to read this outstanding piece that appeared in the Asia Times. It has been known for a couple of years now by economists like Roubini that the Chinese hold all the aces and that the Achilles heel of the US is the dollar.
Before The Stampede
By W. Joseph Stroupe
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/G…..4Dj04.html
I solemnly promise to read BOTH.
FunnyD
Would it have made a difference?
great idea. good for you for running with it.
thanks a74. i was up til 3:30 in the morning last night educating myself and i think i now have a much better general idea of the terrain of how we got to this sorry state and what it’s going to take to start getting us out instead of continuing to dig deeper as we seem to be doing now.
Geithner is playing the American public for suckers. Obama provides him the platform. He choose poorly.
Well, if you remember he was going to pick Summers and there wasn’t enough support for Clinton’s Sec Treas who helped get US here.
He picked who he was told to pick.IMHO
Why don’t we hire Andy Fastow to examine the AIG books in exchange for less time in prison? He’d know how to untangle this crap.
I’m serious. Just like Frank Abagnale Jr. the master forger starting working for the FBI and a bank security expert after he was finally busted.
That is an excellent idea !
I appreciate your work, greenwarrior. Seems it’s keeping a lot of us awake at night.
As for getting us out of this mess, IMHO, getting rid of the Federal Reserve Bank would be the biggest and best step forward. For a private bank they wield entirely too much power and make decisions that burden the taxpayers without approval from any authority or regulating body.
I thought DOJ is the branch charged with interpreting the law.
This is not only my thinking, the very successful trader and economist, Rogers, has stated the same thing.
I know Congress delegated the power of regulating the banks to the Fed. What kind of sense does that make? Did Congress have the right to delegate interpretation of the banking laws to a private bank? In 1986, the Federal Reserve Board interpreted Sec. 20 of Glass Steagall in a new way which allowed the banks to engage in investments if totaled no more than 5% of their principle. There is no oversight on the Fed, and no regulators to ride herd on them. Fed answers to nobody.
The Fed should not allow lobbyists, but they do. And who lobbies them? Their Big Buddy Fellow Bankers, who else. So, the rules get relaxed, secrets are kept hidden, all to the disadvantage and cost to the taxpayer.
Thanks for listening…I’m fed up like just about everybody else.
I’m telling you, everybody get out there tomorrow and protest vehemently with signs calling for geithner and summers to be fired (http://takebacktheeconomy.org/). this outrage must be followed by action or else they will never respect/fear it. This must be followed by action, or they’ll just pat us on the head and tell us what a great country this is becoz we have the freedom of speech … but no effect on anything.
Z
on’t buy the DISTRACTION!!!
The Real AIG Scandal !!!
It’s not the bonuses. It’s that AIG’s counterparties are getting paid back in full.
By Eliot Spitzer
Everybody is rushing to condemn AIG’s bonuses, but this scandal is obscuring the real disgrace at the insurance giant: Why are AIG’s counterparties getting paid back in full, to the tune of tens of billions of taxpayer dollars?
http://www.slate.com/id/2213942/
By the way, I am an idiot, the demonstrations that I was referring to are on Thursday.
But anyway, obama is pulling his cool act right now … acting like everyone is overreacting. this is a ploy and test for us. they will continue acting like it is no big deal until we make it a big deal by getting out and being heard and being disruptive. this movement against these crooks … that obama has apparently decided to ally himself with becoz they got big money … needs some some synergy and this is our opportunity. So, I urge everyone to read my previous post and get out there on and demand change … or otherwise we will not be taken seriously and continue to be marginalized. We need to create change not listen to someone pontificate about it whose obviously got no damn intention of bringing enough of it about.
Z