During a recent visit to Afghanistan by Pierre Krähenbühl, Director of Operations for the International Committee of the Red Cross, who had worked in Kabul during the 1990s, called for more protection of Afghan civilians. In his report, he notes:
I cannot sufficiently stress the unbearable levels of individual and collective suffering that Afghan men, women and children have had to endure over three decades, and that they continue to endure at levels that defy belief.
And continues:
This brings me to the critical issue of civilians at risk in the current conflict. For the past three years the ICRC has repeatedly drawn attention to the increasingly severe impact of the conflict on the civilian population.
Never, however, has our concern been as acute as it is now. The conflict is intensifying and affecting wider parts of Afghanistan. Civilian casualties are significantly higher than a year ago…
This was a central issue during my visit. I raised the ICRC’s acute concerns about the protection of civilians with Generals McKiernan and Schloesser of the US armed forces and ISAF respectively. I emphasized in particular the constant obligation to make a distinction between those participating in hostilities and those who do not or, in the case of injured or captured fighters, who no longer directly participate in hostilities.
Mr. Krähenbühl also received assurances that the commanders shared his concern – but again, their assurances have not led to action.
Of course, most of these civilians killed by US forces go unnamed and unnoticed in our media – but if you follow the reports from RAWA, the Afghan women’s organization, you’ll see report after report like this:
LASHKARGAH: Residents of Lashkargah, capital city of southern Helmand province, on Wednesday staged a protest demonstration against the US-led coalition forces and Afghan government.
They alleged that a civilian was killed and another wounded when a shell hit them in Spini Kotta area of the city during an operation by the foreign forces last night.
He said the man who killed in the raid was a farmer and his brother sustained serious injuries.Haji Zakoom, an elder of the area told this agency the victim brothers were at work in their fields when a mortar shell fired by foreign troops hit them, killing one and injuring another.
He said the attack landed the family in deep trouble as there is no one else to feed them.
And this:
PUL-I-ALAM: Angry with reported innocent killing of five persons of a family by theUS forces in a raid in central Logar province last night, protestors besieged the building of Charkh district headquarters on Saturday.More than three hundreds protesting people, chanting anti-American slogans, called for an immediate trial of the killers.
Provincial culture and information director and the uncle of Abdul Rashid, Zahir Sidiqi told this news agency that the American Special Forces killed his kin, saying they were innocent and poor people.
He alleged that the said forces severely beaten up and tortured the family members of Abdul Rashid including his wife and brother.
Sidiqi further said that the injured family members have been taken to Sarkh hospital and their condition is stated to be in danger.
The four sons of Rashid, who were killed by the foreign forces, left behind their children in despair and poverty, relatives said. ..
Two days back, the coalition forces raided a house in Bati Kot district of eastern Nangarhar province, arresting five people including a school headmaster.
From the Sydney Morning Herald, we learn more about the Logar raid:
Despite that step [US agreement to include Afghan forces on all raids], the Ministry of Defence spokesman said he knew nothing about the raid. Darwesh said Logar’s governor contacted US officials in the province to ask for an explanation, but they responded that they did not know about it because it was conducted from the US base at Bagram – a reference to US Special Operations Forces.
The US forces involved were apparently newly arrived, part of the 17,000 approved by President Obama.
As we look at whatever plans emerge from President Obama’s review, let’s keep in mind that any increase in US troops is likely to lead to an increase in civilian casualties – and a resulting surge in Afghans opposed to the US war in their country.
RAWA added that "The surge in level of troops will also result in a surge in protests against the US/NATO in Afghanistan and it will also push more people towards the Taliban and other terrorist groups as a reaction against occupation forces and their mistreatment against people."
Video from Rethink Afghanistan from Brave New Foundation. Robert Greenwald of BNF is heading to Afghanistan soon and invites everyone to suggest questions he should ask while he’s there. Go here to learn more and make suggestions and to join BNF’s campaign to get hearings and a new approach to Afghanistan.



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Thank you Siun. I can’t even summon up the words to describe my anger at our country’s misguided actions.
Don’t know what to say.
Bombing (to preserve U.S. lives) trashes civilians in occupied countries. To what end?
I know our president has a lot on his plate but it would be nice to hear him address the issue of civilian casualties and (hopefully) his plans to reduce them with greater specificity. Perhaps he’ll broach the subject when he speaks in Turkey. Any possibility of the U.S. improving relations with the Muslim world will remain out of reach if the carnage continues unabated.
Barack O’Bush the II
Matching courtrooms at the Hague at this rate.
Digg here.
We know that the Afghans will certainly overlook the casualties caused by US forces because our cause is true and innocent. The survivors certainly feel better about their dead kin; the families can starve to death quietly happily knowing that their demise will serve the greater good.
Those ingrates that actually resent the American just need to be killed so they won’t proliferate among the population. Soon the majority of the population will tell them simply to grin and bear the deaths of their loved ones. That will straighten everything out. We certainly need to stay there until every possible enemy of the US is buried.
I never understand why the US commanders don’t ever figure out that killing civilians is counterproductive at minimum.
They also never seem to remember their Geneva obligations.
And they will surely agree with W that Iraqis should be grateful to him, and the Afghans too. Both have never been so free. /s
RAWA, the group you’ve cited seemed more concerned by the threat to “fundamentalist-blighted Afghanistan” from the Taliban and the country’s warlords than from the NATO and US troops.
I think I actually get it. The U.S. has all this force and views itself as righteous. So doing whatever it takes seems like the “right” thing to do. The U.S. hasn’t a clue how to win hearts and minds, and doesn’t understand why that might be important.
Think Obama is on the same meme. He, above all others, must believe the U.S. is supremely wonderful. How else could he have been elected? Consequently, he, below all others, is uniquely unqualified to understand the other side.
And, of course, if you don’t understand your opponent, …
that must be why they spoke out against the american invasion in 2001.
I never understand why the US commanders don’t ever figure out that killing civilians is counterproductive at minimum.
I’m glad you said it that way. I’m representing a kid who is Natl. Guard in a couple of weeks. He just wants to be able to talk to the girl who is bearing his child, but she filed a protective order against him for stalking, alleging that he was *texting* her when it should be obvious by her lack of response that she didn’t feel like talking.
Typical young-people spat – no big deal. But he’s shipping to Afghanistan in a couple of months. Is he going to be labeled a killer for following orders? What is he to do? I don’t think he’s even 21 – he’ll do what he’s told.
My own son might very well end up there too.
I was so hoping that, with the change in administrations, adults would be in charge.
American lives are obviously more valuable than Afgan lives
Read further on the RAWA site – or rather read their major statement from Nov:
“Neither the US nor Jehadies and Taliban”
http://www.rawa.org/events/sevenyear_e.htm
Can’t see why they would have liked it, but I don’t remember hearing that things in Afghanistan were going well for women prior to it.
Obama undoubtedly regrets civilian casualties but doesn’t know the best course to take. Of course, every day that he neglects to redefine the mission and the tactics used (if he has such intentions) results in more casualties.
Government policies always profit someone. Who is reaping the benefits of the current bloody status quo? If it were possible to eliminate the profitability of war the world would be a better place.
Not only “more valuable”, but Afghan and Iraqi lives don’t count at all. How else could W have said, in approx late 2007, that the Iraqi should be grateful to him?
The value is in the war profiteering… not lives, be they Afghani or U.S.
Every dead Afgan bring us that much closer to complete and total safety yeah right !
strawman.
no one made that claim – i just challenged your’s: that rawa was more concerned about the taliban than us.
they reject both.
Evidence? I don’t recall Obama’s saying such, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he did.
Even so, what would be the evidence that we should believe his words? He’s upped the drone bombings of civilians in Pakistan, obviously without any legit intelligence for same.
Remember that RAWA are and were back then the leading women’s rights force in AFG … they see the US empowering the warlords who abuse women and see no advantage to our invasion.
The American War in Vietnam,the American Invasion/Occupation of Iraq.American Anti-Taliban/AlQueda Counter Insurgency and what Americans are doing in Pakistan with drones and commando raids. American green lighting and condoning of IDF/IAF attacks on Gaza all share perverse American Exceptionalism viewpoints and self justification.
Killing innocents,inflicting devastation and suffering on innocents and this cavalier American brush off style of response to the aftermaths advances American foreign affairs and policy how again?
Barack Obama can not lay claim to being a leader for or agent of change when he continues to wallow in the same perverse American militarism and policy of bellicose violence death dealing of prior American regimes.
Shame on President Obama for not being truthful about what he intended to do.
I did and I agreed with most of it. We did provide them with a flicker of hope and then royally screwed them. We owe them.
My statement about their concerns is based on counting their story summaries and Taliban/Warlord stories predominate.
So heard today that thousands of Indian women are murdered per year over dowries. Should we invade India to assuage this grotesqueie?
He has occasionally given the subject lip service but I’ve not seen evidence in his actions.
Got to kill ‘em to make ‘em safer
The countries been blown to pieces but no Saddam……. aren’t they lucky !
I’m not convinced that things would be a lot different if we had given Afghanistan our undivided attention. Damn near impossible to have a positive effect when perceived as an unwelcome occupying force.
How big are the dowries?
Did you hear me say that I thought we invaded out of concern for the Afghnais? Or that I welcomed the occupation? Supported the corrupt puppet government that we installed?
many different countries have tried to conquer Afganistan none have succeeded yet !
I hope Obama knows his history !
Neither am I. We had people to catch. We should have tried catching them, done anything useful we could, and been long gone. Occupation of Afghanistan is dirt-dumb.
Oh, I’m not accusing you of anything. Only raising the issue of terrible stuff going on in many places that the U.S. does not choose as a reason for intervention.
Depends on your definition of “conquer.” With sufficient force it is relatively easy to topple a government. Much harder to rule.
you can’t change minds with bombs !
this is about ideologies no amount of force can change a persons thinking
we only intervene when there is something in it for us
Wrong. Bombs change minds profoundly. Against the bombers.
Doesn’t appear we ever had a defined objective, much less an exit strategy. Seems to be a recurring theme in U.S. deployment of armed forces during the past 50 years.
Hello? If you are surprised now you were busy or just not paying attention during the campaign.
We had a pretty clear objective going in. It failed and we should have moved on.
So much for to Powell Doctrine. Never has a man spread his cheeks for so little.
Siun, thank you for your continued attention to the crimes committed in our name.
Um, what was the objective going in? Bombing the insurgents that the U.S. trained?
You live in NYC?
I think most Americans believed the objective was to eliminate al Qaida and the people who gave them sanctuary, however I suspect our leaders were attempting to implement some grander vision of U.S. hegemony.
Well, it’s hard to go wrong by mistrusting the intentions of the last administration..
well, that explains the cluster bombs, DU, support for warlords, etc.
Yes.
Did we have an objective?
That ICRC report is devastating in its bureaucratic condemnation of the US and its practices. There is a certain amount of “a plague on both your houses” to it, but much of the report is a broadside against the US. The detainee issue is at the heart of the matter.
It is rare that the ICRC speaks publicly about the participants in a conflict, but they’ve done so here. Say the report about the detainees,
It’s only been what, six years? It’s not like this is the Hundred Years War or anything.
At least not yet.
Very good point Peterr … they never talk publicly but they are very unhappy with what they see.
Likely was paying far more atttention than the two years span of primaries and general election merited.
Was not in favor of Clinton but she is in anyway and her conduct in Israel during her recent visit there as Obama’s SoS shows why I did not support her.
The GOPers ended up with John McCain in the point position. Would not have voted for any of the charlatans the GOPers were gaming anyway. Seeing how the GOPers are wandering about in political purgatory these days. With Mitch,John and Eric being anything but repentant of GOPer ways and Rotund Rush throwing his gas filled gospels around GOPers deserved John McCain well enough.
Barack Obama showed some promise on the way to and coming out of Denver.
Barack Obama’s integrity and suggestions of coming change both fading fast.
I was simply referring to his consistently disturbing rhetoric on Af Pak. He always suggested he would do much of what he’s doing today.
The Geneva Convention only apply to governments that signed the document,not the terrorist’s we’re going after.The deaths of the children are truly regrettable,but the people know that if they let the taliban in their midst and the U.S. finds out about it,they are putting their families at risk.Problem is they don’t care.The Afghans are like xxx xxx xxx*.They could crush the taliban’s efforts to overthrow any legitimate government they cared to establish.You can’t intimidate those people,I know because I’ve been there.The only ones I met who were anti American were the supporters of the taliban who are the minority,and the taliban we captured.The largest impediment to our goals there is the corruption of the officials.There,same as here.If anyone on this blog really thinks that you can talk rationally,or otherwise negotiate with the people who constitute the threat facing us,i.e. win their hearts and minds,put your money where your mouth is and go to the M.E. and try it.Their hatred of us has nothing to do with our presence there or our support of Isreal.We could pull every U.S. soldier out of the M.E. and cut off all support for Isreal,and they would still be bent on imposing sharia on each and every one of us.
ModNote: racial stereotypes will result in comments being moderated.
” Speaking at NATO headquarters in Brussels on Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden claimed that “at least 70%” of Islamist Taliban guerrilla fighters were “mercenaries” who could be persuaded–with what else–cold, hard cash, to lay down their arms and join the “peace process.” According to Biden, “Five percent of the Taliban is incorrigible, not susceptible to anything other than being defeated. Another 25% or so are not quite sure, in my view, of the intensity of their commitment to the insurgency. Roughly 70% are involved because of the money.”
Memo to the Vice President: that “incorrigible” five percent comprise the top leadership of the far-right Islamist movement, including al-Qaeda-linked commanders such as “Mullah Bradar, Sirajuddin Haqqani and Anwarul Haq Mujahid. These three have pledged their allegiance to Taliban leader Mullah Omar, who has transformed the Taliban into an ultra-conservative force compared to a few years ago when the Taliban were a Pashtun tribal movement,” Asia Times reports.
In other words, nothing short of a complete U.S./NATO withdrawal from the Central Asian “battlespace” will satisfy Mullah Omar and his minions. And what of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, suddenly everyone’s newest “best friend forever”?
Lest we forget, this former darling of the United States, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence agency (ISI) during the anti-Soviet jihad received the bulk of CIA-Saudi largesse as America’s plan to hand the Soviet Union “its own Vietnam” worked splendidly–for the international narcotics trade and American-linked terrorist jackals. “
http://www.pacificfreepress.co…..rchin.html
I beg to differ.
The Taliban were a problem for the Afghans long before the US was on the scene. “They could crush the taliban’s efforts to overthrow any legitimate government they cared to establish.” Uh, no. They couldn’t do it before 2001, and they can’t do it now.
Take your GOP talking points and go back where you came from.
One would have hoped Barack Obama was more willing/prepared to take on the Pentagon Party for starters. I know–dream on dreamer.
In run-ups to American WH elections lots of things are said or suggested to cover the electoral ground. Given the legacy of Bush/Cheney regime and the contamination it had injected into American Occupation of Iraq one could only hope Af-Pak conflict was going to be treated by Obama with full caution it deserved and deserves. Putting in more troops and going the way of American trail of errors that created the Vietnam Debacle way reckless.
WashingtonDC’s and Pentagon’s Sauron like focus on Iran seems still at the middle of this. American garrison troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and USN ships floating around Persian Gulf all pointed at Israel’s goal of Americans attacking Iran. Israeli zealots and Likudniks want what just took place in Gaza to take place in Iran bad. SoS Clinton really showed TelAviv how WashingtonDC disapproved of IDF/IAF conduct on Gazans. Right.
Israel has WashingtonDC in the grip of political meddling that Barack Obama is either going to resist on the merits of the politics involved.(picking Rahm as his CoS not a good omen here)
or
President Obama in the tradition of this present Democratic Party will not be able to find the needed political spine to do the right thing.
History will record his choice made.
Pertaining to the post’s stating you can’t change minds with bombs,and the Biden math.Biden should find out what the of Japan was before and after the war,and figure out what percentage of the population had to become casualties before they gave up.(racial stereotypes removed)
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They most certainly could crush the taliban.They just need the motivation to put aside their “tribal” differences.Just like the American people need to do the same to correct the problems here at home instead of falling into partisan politics.The taliban came about out of the peoples desire to end the warlords graft and corruption.And if you think the vast majority of the Afghan people weren’t happy to see the taliban go you are grossly misinformed.
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The last I heard the % of the U.S. population that claims Jewish background is 2%.So considering their over-representation in government I would say yes. Peterr I’m Independant and proud of it.In school I learned HOW to think not WHAT to think.
As for Japan, I think that the percentage of casualties was not what caused them to give up. They gave up only because they were ordered to do so.
As for your idea that the Afghanis are going to put aside their tribal differences, that seem to be something that happens only in response to foreigners.
Siun,
There’s one thing that confuses me. On March 9, Rachel Maddow had a guest on her show, Sarah Chayes, who had lived in southern Afghanistan for years, beginning about 2001, so she has on-the-ground smarts about the situation. Her interview begins about 2:45 into the segment. She was billed as founder of the Kandahar Arghand Cooperative, and she has written a book, “The Punishment of Virtue: Inside Afghanistan after the Taliban.” She claimed, against what I’ve heard and read, that the Taliban are not a home-grown entity, like Hamas, but that our strategy should be to make them “irrelevant.” This is a rather different take on them than I have heard before. What is your take on that?
Bob in HI
It’s more like 1.5% and they also have a tendency to inflict more education on their children than does the general population.
Macaquerman,your points are valid in both cases.But the Japanese reached their threshold all the same and so would the muslim extremist’s.
Going along with your analogy to the Japanese, the enemy you’re talking about taking on is, like the Japanese, obviously unlikely to win and yet strongly motivated. Also, they seem willing to take horrendous casualties and continue, just as the Japanese did, lasting years after being beaten.
Do you think that head-on is the way to go? Can’t we do better and smarter than that?
They have stated that their ultimate goal is world wide sharia law.Unless the muslim’s moderates who favor civilized negotiations step up and marginalize the extremist’s I’m afraid I don’t.Do we dick around with them until they do manage to get ahold of wmd?
They stated that as their goal around 1300 years ago. Lots of people say lots of things. Most people anywhere want food, clothing, shelter for their families more than they want world domination.
Don’t confuse the nuts and the criminals with the majority. It’s easier and smarter to sort the sheep from the goats than it is to fight the whole flockin’ mess of them.
Surely you are aware that in Europe the muslim immigrants refuse to assimilate and are pushing for sharia for everyone.And if they feel insulted in any way their normal reaction is to riot.This is why the U.N. is trying to ban any speech against islam as “hate speech”.Look at honor killing.You can’t cut off heads and claim religious freedom in the civilized world.Saudi Arabian citizens aren’t poor but S.A. is the leading exporter of radical islam.They give more money to build madrassas where fundamental islam is taught than all the other arab countries combined.To them fundamental islam is the belief that every passage in the Koran is to be followed to the letter.If you read the Koran and the haditha you will see that they believe there is no room for any religion but islam.If you refuse to convert and they decide to let you live then you pay a tax and are humiliated when paying it.Taqiyya is their M.O.Any means justifies the end.The moderate muslims just seem to be conspicuously silent in support of a negotiated peace.
I have noticed that there is a difference between assimilation in Europe and assimilation here in the US. We don’t have anywhere near the same number of problems.
Without much evidence, I tend to ascribe the better result as being due to better treatment, tolerance and opportunity for assimilation and advancement being on offer here. Seems like a good model to follow.
Your diatribe is a terrible over-generalization that does not represent the diversity of Islam in Europe. Please examine your prejudices more closely.
Bob in HI
Since Siun didn’t give you an answer about the Taliban, I’ll give it a go.
I think what she would have meant about the Taliban not being a home-grown entity was that they were a product of the madrassas set up, mainly in Pakistan, by the Saudis. The brand of Islam taught them and that they practice is a less tolerant one and they imposed religious rules on Afghanistan that were more restrictive than had been previously followed.
Additionally, the Taliban were associated with, and augmented by, Pakistanis.
McBride – Your racism is only exceeded by your ignorance. If you wish to spout such trash, do not do it here.
Comments which show such disrespect for Islam and Muslims are no more acceptable than would be similar comments on any other religion or group of believers.
Thanks for your response. When I was a graduate student decades ago, I read an article by an anthropologist about village life in Afghanistan. It sounded just like the Taliban. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name or author of the article.
That was the foundation for my belief that the Taliban *are* like Hamas.
Bob in HI
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But the hopeful thing is that VP Biden is reporting that the unemployment rate among the Taliban is like 70%.
Solution? Create jobs for them.
Can you imagine what it would be like here if the unemployment rate was 70%?
Bob in HI
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