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	<title>Comments on: Are AIG Counterparties Waiting for the Fire Sale?</title>
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		<title>By: eggroll</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/14/are-aig-counterparties-waiting-for-the-fire-sale/#comment-1856768</link>
		<dc:creator>eggroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some of this outrage kind of misses the point: This is the American Way in practice. As Nouriel Roubini notes, our system is one where capital gains are privatized and losses socialized. Or as Gore Vidal put it, America is uniquely about socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else. So we already know who these counterparties are — rich people!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of this outrage kind of misses the point: This is the American Way in practice. As Nouriel Roubini notes, our system is one where capital gains are privatized and losses socialized. Or as Gore Vidal put it, America is uniquely about socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else. So we already know who these counterparties are — rich people!</p>
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		<title>By: PPDCUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PPDCUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No truth, even less consequences for the looters&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paulson’s plan is a Wall Street/Treasury Dept. three card monte where fatal systemic insolvency is passed off as temporary mega financial firm lack of liquidity.  It protects those who have looted the system now by socializing their past losses and allowing them to walk away without prison or restitution. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Simply put, this is fraud.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ship has struck the iceberg.  Radio messages are received stating that there’s been serious structural damage …. the captain &amp; his top officers are piloting the ship to safe harbor …. where dry dock repairs can be completed.  Your prayers and patience are needed …. for everyone to get through the crisis …. because we’re all in this boat together.  When the ship is repaired &amp; declared seaworthy again …. it will be smooth cruising with room for everyone on board.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those glued to their radios don’t know that they are listening to a 21st century version of H.G. Wells’ War of the Worlds.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The messages are not being broadcast from the bridge, which along with the rest of the ship, is already on the sea floor under 15,000 feet of water at 6,500+ psi, and has been at least since the great unravelling was exposed in mid-2007.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AIG’s counterparty derivative insurance losses and as yet unrealized liabilities must be kept out of bankruptcy court where everyone involved would be under oath and subject to penalty of perjury.  I suspect that none of the CEO’s at the heart of this week’s rally would be testifying about rosy profit pictures this year or next because their obscenely leveraged bets, won or lost or insured against loss, aren’t secured by anything, and therefore, are uncollectible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Fed borrowed nearly $180B on the backs of taxpayers and “purchased” 80% of AIG.  No one will put a figure on the total liabilities assumed in this manifestly bad deal for the real economy, which will eventually become known for what it is — the second half of George W. Bush’s Mission Accomplished.  This illusion cannot be maintained if AIG’s solvent, profitable units are separated from its trillions in unregulated businesses, with taxpayers holding the solvent assets and the counterparty losses left to fend for themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The “Paulson Doesn’t Work Here Anymore” line pushed by Geithner is just the opposite.  All of the good assets will be purchased at the fire sale with Wall Street hedge fund bonuses, and taxpayers left to raise a ship that’s already sunk under three tons of debt per square inch.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Leonhardt’s history of looting has the excruciating details:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/business/economy/11leonhardt.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03.....hardt.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No truth, even less consequences for the looters</p>
<p>Paulson’s plan is a Wall Street/Treasury Dept. three card monte where fatal systemic insolvency is passed off as temporary mega financial firm lack of liquidity.  It protects those who have looted the system now by socializing their past losses and allowing them to walk away without prison or restitution. </p>
<p>Simply put, this is fraud.</p>
<p>The ship has struck the iceberg.  Radio messages are received stating that there’s been serious structural damage …. the captain &amp; his top officers are piloting the ship to safe harbor …. where dry dock repairs can be completed.  Your prayers and patience are needed …. for everyone to get through the crisis …. because we’re all in this boat together.  When the ship is repaired &amp; declared seaworthy again …. it will be smooth cruising with room for everyone on board.</p>
<p>Those glued to their radios don’t know that they are listening to a 21st century version of H.G. Wells’ War of the Worlds.  </p>
<p>The messages are not being broadcast from the bridge, which along with the rest of the ship, is already on the sea floor under 15,000 feet of water at 6,500+ psi, and has been at least since the great unravelling was exposed in mid-2007.</p>
<p>AIG’s counterparty derivative insurance losses and as yet unrealized liabilities must be kept out of bankruptcy court where everyone involved would be under oath and subject to penalty of perjury.  I suspect that none of the CEO’s at the heart of this week’s rally would be testifying about rosy profit pictures this year or next because their obscenely leveraged bets, won or lost or insured against loss, aren’t secured by anything, and therefore, are uncollectible.</p>
<p>The Fed borrowed nearly $180B on the backs of taxpayers and “purchased” 80% of AIG.  No one will put a figure on the total liabilities assumed in this manifestly bad deal for the real economy, which will eventually become known for what it is — the second half of George W. Bush’s Mission Accomplished.  This illusion cannot be maintained if AIG’s solvent, profitable units are separated from its trillions in unregulated businesses, with taxpayers holding the solvent assets and the counterparty losses left to fend for themselves.</p>
<p>The “Paulson Doesn’t Work Here Anymore” line pushed by Geithner is just the opposite.  All of the good assets will be purchased at the fire sale with Wall Street hedge fund bonuses, and taxpayers left to raise a ship that’s already sunk under three tons of debt per square inch.</p>
<p>Leonhardt’s history of looting has the excruciating details:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/business/economy/11leonhardt.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03&#8230;..hardt.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At least if the hedge funds are broke, we won’t bail them out. Will we…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least if the hedge funds are broke, we won’t bail them out. Will we…..</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/03/12/from-the-dept-of-stfu-already/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;From the Department of STFU Already&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New post: <a href="http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/03/12/from-the-dept-of-stfu-already/" rel="nofollow">From the Department of STFU Already</a></p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if we need a bank holiday, to include financials of all types.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if we need a bank holiday, to include financials of all types.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I should also say that if we could look into hedge funds right now and do real accounting of them we would probably see that they are essentially bankrupt too.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of this involves pushing around a lot of fake financial instruments and exchanging things of real value, like money and physical assets for them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also say that if we could look into hedge funds right now and do real accounting of them we would probably see that they are essentially bankrupt too.  </p>
<p>All of this involves pushing around a lot of fake financial instruments and exchanging things of real value, like money and physical assets for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is my concern as well.  The government is handing out money to hedge funds through AIG and various Fed programs that will be used by them to buy up crap assets subsidized and backed by the government.  So that we are screwed coming and going.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have an incredible sinking feeling about this Geithner plan.  It could be the biggest looting we have yet seen in all this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my concern as well.  The government is handing out money to hedge funds through AIG and various Fed programs that will be used by them to buy up crap assets subsidized and backed by the government.  So that we are screwed coming and going.  </p>
<p>I have an incredible sinking feeling about this Geithner plan.  It could be the biggest looting we have yet seen in all this.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would love to hear those stories too. One of my cleaning customers is the president of a large food distributor here in Maine while his wife owns a high-end furniture/design store a few towns away. For years under George Bush they were very careful with their money and were so thankful for the ‘working poor’, but now that President Obama is at the helm and their hedgefund they invested in isn’t doing so hot and they’re realizing the scheme before them (they’re not blaming Obama…they’re just now realizing how fake their wealth was for years!)….suddenly!….they’re spending money like raving maniacs. I’m serious. It’s like they know they’re losing money, so to make themselves feel better, they’re spending money so no one knows they’re losing money. I just want to say to them, “Please stop for MY job security”. LOL &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s kind of sad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to hear those stories too. One of my cleaning customers is the president of a large food distributor here in Maine while his wife owns a high-end furniture/design store a few towns away. For years under George Bush they were very careful with their money and were so thankful for the ‘working poor’, but now that President Obama is at the helm and their hedgefund they invested in isn’t doing so hot and they’re realizing the scheme before them (they’re not blaming Obama…they’re just now realizing how fake their wealth was for years!)….suddenly!….they’re spending money like raving maniacs. I’m serious. It’s like they know they’re losing money, so to make themselves feel better, they’re spending money so no one knows they’re losing money. I just want to say to them, “Please stop for MY job security”. LOL </p>
<p>It’s kind of sad.</p>
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		<title>By: RobW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is the part that made me shake my head too. On what other planet would you get a bonus for helping to blow up the world financial system.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the part that made me shake my head too. On what other planet would you get a bonus for helping to blow up the world financial system.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Cabernet might do the trick on that misery thing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cabernet might do the trick on that misery thing.</p>
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