Muntather Zaidi, the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at Bush, gets three years in jail.
As I’ve argued, the proper American response — at least, according to how I understand what America should be all about — would have been for then-President Bush to have publicly forgiven al-Zaidi. Doing so would have shown that Americans cherish free expression as one of our fundamental values. We care about protecting the right of individuals to say whatever the hell they want without fear of reprisal. Bush wasn’t hurt, said he wasn’t embarrassed, didn’t think it was a big deal — so why not just state that he should go free?
Because, after all, the law that Zaidi broke was a speech law, not a law to do with physical assault. He got three years for "insulting" a foreign leader. This is why comparisons to Americans who have gotten in trouble for pie throwing are completely misguided. Americans, as so we are fond of announcing, do not punish political speech, even insulting political speech, with criminal penalties. Allegedly, anyhow.
On a more hardnosed level, isn’t it worse for us if Zaidi is in jail than out on the streets? What, is this guy some sort of a threat to the United States, with his devastating shoe-throwing? Of course not. You’d think even from the perspective of realpolitik the advantages of Bush saying Zaidi should be set free would be clear. He’d look generous, large-minded, and so would our nation; the symbolism would be, if we were really imperially ambitious, would we be saying this guy should be sprung? No! We are a freedom-loving people, and as such have nothing whatsoever to fear from him!
Failing to be generous, from this point of view, was a missed opportunity to show a better American face to the world, especially that part of the world where we’re constantly informed we have our most vital strategic interests at stake. It would be a potent statement, a tangible expression of America’s genuine desire to "spread freedom" as opposed to extending military hegemony. On the other hand, if Zaidi goes to prison, he becomes a powerful symbol of resistance to America. Because he is a threat — insofar as he has become a symbol of resistance to what are perceived as American imperialism, something his incarceration only ratifies. Why is this a good outcome?
But there, of course, is the rub. If George W. Bush were a man capable of understanding why he should have publicly forgiven Muntather Zaidi — for political and strategic reasons, even if the principled reasons elude him — he would not be the man who is ultimately responsible for invading Iraq in the first place. It is very difficult to persuade people whom you are invading, and then occupying, that you did it For Their Own Good. Because the people subject to the violence you have inflicted upon them, without their consent, will have been, you know, victims of your violence. This is a basic truth that holds no matter what justifications you may come up with for inflicting such violence, and is a truth that always seems to escape imperialists. Nobody will ever thank you for dropping a bomb on them.
All of which is to say that if Bush could even remotely grasp why he should try to keep someone from going to jail for three years for throwing a shoe at him, he would not have invaded Iraq. Or had the damn shoes thrown at him at all, for that matter.



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Shoe guy got off fairly easy considering there is a ‘Chaney hit squad’ roaming the earth.
If a journalist threw a shoe at the president in THIS country I doubt if he or she would receive anything LESS than a three year sentence.
“Cherish free expression”?
After eight years of trampling American values, why start now?
Seriously, I think the guy should be released for time served. But then again, Bush isn’t really into pardons.
yeah, what? we want compassion, understanding AND strategic thinking from the executive team that reportedly had death squads running around the world, killing people based on CIA-generated lists of names?…
Bush is a sociopath and it would be a stretch to think that he would have given a moments thought to forgive anyone that has done wrong to him. Countless politicians lie maimed (or worse) in his wake from henchmen such as Cheney, Rove and others.
And I agree with ratfood — the two-tiered justice system in this country would conflate a shoe throwing incident toward a president or any other political person as an attack on their life and be promptly rendered enemy combatant never to be seen or heard from again.
Yeah, ‘fraid to say I immediately thought of how Cheney and Rice responded to people on the street criticizing them and I see Bush’s assent to incarcerating Zaidi as entirely consistent with that attitude.
Obama can’t do anything as that would immediately be interpreted as an anti-Republican move by a Democratic president. You’re right, it would be a very sound and sensible PR move for Bush to publicly forgive Zaidi.
more likely, would never have left the scene alive…
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Exercise you first amendment right. Tell the Iraqis the journalist should be pardoned or released for time served. To bad the journalist missed his target. Any pain felt by Bush, is nothing compared to the pain he inflicted on Iraq and its people!
Just saw Jon Stewart’s metaphorical shoe-throw at Jim Cramer.
Feeling a little depressed though. Stewart wisely points out the hypocrisy and shows the clips. Great. But it’s all just “move along, nothing to see here” by the end from Cramer, and “I’ll try to do better.” (does anyone really think Cramer was sincere in saying this?!?!?) Cramer goes to his mansion or penthouse and licks his wounds, while CNBC’s millionaire Marketing managers devise PR strategy to handle the minor fallout. CNBC exists to prop up the fundamentally flawed financial system the rules America right now. They will not change.
THIS GUY SHOULD BE ARRESTED ON THE SPOT! We need show throwers in our media. It’s not about getting along with these people. Reporters don’t need “access” and therefore do not need to be kissing the ass of BigMoney.
And Stewart acts like this is a just CNBC/Cramer problem. This was a brief look behind the curtain for our ENTIRE corrupt BigMedia system which is actively dismantling our Constitution and America as a whole, so that less than 1% can vacuum up all the wealth on the backs of workers.
Brian Williams is no different from Jim Cramer. Katie Couric is no different from Jim Cramer. Charlie Gibson is no different from Jim Cramer. Their jobs are exactly the same – to provide cover for The Big Game.
Ugh…gotta stop…I’m so disgusted…
Like, Silent Germans…………………………..
They’d keep the suspect alive until it could be determined if he or she was part of a vast (liberal) shoe-throwing conspiracy.
on a lighter note, Stephen Millies, who tried to throw a shoe (he was tackled before it could leave his hand) at New York Metropolitan Transit Authority Director Elliot Sander at a meeting, in protest of fare hikes, had his case dismissed a couple of weeks ago, on a technicality. Apparently, the only charge on NYC’s books that the agency could figure out how to apply to him was “disrupting a religious ceremony.” Apparently, the judge didn’t feel that a MTA staff meeting constituted a religious ceremony and dismissed the charges. I’m not making this stuff up.
What’s funny is that I think Cramer actually understands his role and is happy to help, as evidenced by the criminal activity he proudly promotes in the archive clip.
However, the other BigMedia mavens like Williams, Couric, Brokaw, etc, are simply too stupid to realize this and blindly follow commands. I guess $17 million PER YEAR is enough to make a lot of people keep their eyes shut.
People have been throwing their underwear at Tom Jones for decades and no charges have ever been filed, despite a few instances when they might have left a mark…
On Cramer, the NYT has an article up by Alessandra Stanley on its frontpage that attacks Jon Stewart’s treatment of Cramer and concludes that since all publicity is good, this will likely help Cramer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03…..=1&hp
It misses the whole point of what Cramer and the media were doing or any responsibility they might have for anything. It is mindlessly stupid in that “savvy” way Jay Rosen talks about.
Swing and a miss…
Arresting Cramer would shut them up.
What am I missing anyway? Why is that archive video not enough to arrest Cramer on the spot?
One thing the MSM has shown is the uncanny ability to unite and defend their own, when a blogger or outsider flays them.
This is to hide the fact that every one of them is scared shitless by the smackdown Cramer, CNBC and the talkin’ heads received last night.
Rally round the
flagcorps allwhen will the insanity end?
What’s really weird was that Stewart was really going after Santelli and CNBC as a whole. Cramer is kind of taking the bullet for Santelli and I don’t think he deserves that kind of protection. that’s just me.
I would never, ever take stock advise from these people. Sheesh. There used to be a time when most people used banks to save money, and then perhaps CDS perhaps mutual funds, very very conservative ways to grow money. Somewhere along the line, EVERYONE thinks they can afford to play the street and that there is no risk. When did that happen?
Cramer did what McCain did, when called to the mat by Jon. McCain promised to change and went even dirtier in his campaign.
That cost him the Presidency and was a vindication of what Jon said to him.
Methinks Cramer will suffer the same fate, unless he really does change.
I can ALMOST remember when bank accounts accrued discernible interest.
o/t wasn’t Kay in Maine bringing the domestic terrorist to our attention here? Rachel Maddow got the message and there is a clip on C&L for those who are interested. (apologies if someone said this already or if there is a diary I missed.)
*g* and lol.
But the fundie-mentals were strong!
Exactly ! Cramer joined with JoeScar and the MSM to pooh-pooh Jon as a comedian who has a variety show and can’t possibly understand what he’s talking about.
Fookers forgot we have teh toobs and videos … heh heh heh … did anyone watch Doucheborough this morning ?
LOL … I wonder why our troll-du-jour hasn’t come to this thread as yet …
Doucheborough? Is that in Lower Manhattan?
I really don’t think the MSM or CNBC will be tempted to escalate this thing after last night. They can better be expected to let sleeping dogs lie.
Right, they threw the snarling dog a wiener, now they hope he’ll let them tiptoe away.
That was Jon’s new name for JoeScar … I say we all adopt it. *g*
WTF was that article?!?
That “critic” has a history of nonsense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandra_Stanley
http://gawker.com/5019987/erro…..for-change
I spent years defending the NyTimes, but it’s really becoming obvious that they have no concern for profits. Bill Kristolnacht, his “replacement” Rodd Douchehat, the endless false scriblings of Brooks and Tom, and so on show they exist now to promote BigMoney ideology to the electorate so that they keep electing politicians who will support BigMoney.
I’d love to see this “critic” on with Stewart. Hopefully he’ll at least address her screed.
Undoubtedly … even if Cramer goes away, they’ll just find another Maria Bartiromo to take his place.
But I hope Congresscritters and their assistants watched the show and will take up hearings, indictments and more prosecutions like Madoff.
Easier to quote than Zbigniew Brzezinski’s characterization of Joe, although I liked that one a lot too.
Brzezinski was great … Mika’s expression was priceless in its definition of ‘faux outrage’.
She had to know he was right.
“knowledge” and “Mika” don’t strike me as acquaintances …
What her dad said about her cohost applies equally well to nearly everyone in her profession.
“Because, after all, the law that Zaidi broke was a speech law, not a law to do with physical assault. He got three years for “insulting” a foreign leader.”
So much for democracy in Iraq! A GRAND ILLUSION!!!
I don’t know what to say exactly about this whole Cramer affair. The media failed miserably in reporting on all the parts of the financial system that made no sense. But this is the same media that cheered on or looked the other way throughout the unending disasters and scandals of the Bush years. It’s true that CNBC was extreme in its clownishness. But all the media were acting, still are acting, as shills for Wall Street.
That’s about right, I’d say. Every decent Iraqi has a patriotic duty to kill Americans, but throwing a shoe at Bush? Iraq had to do something.
On the show-thrower – of course he must be held. We still are afraid of Iraqi SMD’s – “Shoe’s of Mass Destruction!”
On Cramer – why didn’t any other network investigate CNBC (excluding every other XXNBC derivative on the air)? As I wrote in an earlier post, isn’t it sad that the only REAL news comes from Comedy Central at 11 and 11:30pm? It says a lot about our country when Stewart and Colbert are the Huntley and Brinckley of the 21st Century in America.
Ooop! “Shoe-thrower.”
Not only should Bush have forgiven Mr. Zaidi, he should have had the shoes retrieved, shined, and returned to the gentleman with the complements of the United States. He might even have asked for the opportunity to hear Mr. Zaidi’s complaints at greater length and in more detail than ballistic expressions generally allow.
That’s how you diffuse criticism and earn respect in the civilized world. But Bush has never been a class act.
What ever the legal system in the spotlight, it just is not always evenhanded. So the poor guy vented some frustration at a President!! Never mind the provocations or the fact that Bush was responsible for immeasurable death and destruction of his countrymen and fellow citizens. At least the trial should have required that Bush be there to file acknowledge a complaint and testify.