Remember: Tell members of Congress that you want them to take action here. And join us today at 4:30 pm Eastern Daylight Time (1:30 pm Pacific) for a chat with economist James Galbraith, and later, at 7:00 pm Eastern (4pm Pacific), when Rep. Alan Grayson joins us to talk about the need for bank bailout transparency.
Last night, Timothy Geithner appeared before the House Democratic Caucus and was singularly unimpressive. He was apparently dispatched to absorb Congressional ire about the AIG situation, but didn’t say much of substance, according to those who attended the meeting — he mostly just shook his head and cussed about AIG.
It’s the same routine Bernanke played before the Senate Budget Committee hearing last week, after the announcement that AIG lost $61 billion in the 4th quarter 2008, when he said he was "very angry" at the regulatory failure involved. But let’s remember how that went down:
Using the loophole it had learned during Bear Stearns, the Fed set up two new companies: Maiden Lane II and Maiden Lane III. Two dealt with the secured lending and Three the shitty credit default swaps. The Fed lent each Maiden Lane $20 billion and $25 billion and then Maiden Lane paid off the investors that had either lent AIG the money to buy the shitty mortgage backed securities (ML II) and those who had the shitty mortgages and the corresponding insurance (ML III). To avoid booking a loss on the Fed’s balance sheet, because the Fed had some legal problems if either of these Maiden Lanes lost money, and because of a reporting requirement that Dodd had put into TARP which actually required the Fed to report to the Congress and the public about the cost to taxpayers from ML I, the Fed did some creative accounting. They still paid all of the investors off at full value (par), so that they didn’t lose anything. But they booked the loss on AIG’s balance sheet and kept Maiden Lane clean. This is the hidden story behind how AIG went from losing $38 billion during the first 9 months of 2008 to losing $61 billion in the 4th quarter.
Timothy Geithner was "one of the architects" of Maiden Lane III when he was president of the NY Fed. Business Week filed FOIA requests trying to obtain the names of the banks that have benefited directly from the bailout of AIG: "Specifically, BW asked the SEC to make public an exhibit to a Dec. 2 regulatory filing that lists the banks that have sold a batch of toxic collateralized debt obligations to Maiden Lane III." The SEC refused, saying "it would "cause substantial competitive harm” to AIG."
During Geithner’s Senate confirmation hearings, Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) pointedly expressed his concerns about the lack of transparency regarding Maiden Lane I, II, and III. He specifically asked about the "level of public disclosure about the assets being held by the Federal Reserve through Maiden Lane, LLC." Grassley was worried that the reported valuation of the assets were overpriced, and that Congress was not being given adequate information and could not present a picture of the true risk to taxpayers. Geithner defended the system, saying that "confidentiality" was necessary to "allow the asset manager the flexibility to manage the assets in a way that maximizes the value of the portfolio and mitigates risk of loss to the taxpayer."
Geithner said he believed Maiden Lane’s disclosure was "adequate."
Maybe there was a better time for Geithner to express his concern about AIG, namely when he set up Maiden Lane III, when "banks were paid in full for securities that were virtually impossible to sell in the marketplace?"



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Geithner’s gotta go.
him and summers both.
Looking forward to Grayson. Very nice “In Their Own Words” article in Orlando magazine.
And who the hell is Geithner to decide when disclosure has been “adequate” in a situation where he has an apparent conflict, or at least isn’t a reliable source of info???
Jane, if you’ll indulge a quick o/t because yopu’ve been on top of this, the EFCA situation is pissing me off to no end. i gotta get busy on that. Just sayin’
…saying “it would “cause substantial competitive harm” to AIG.”
AIG has competition?
*cough* bullshit *cough*
how’s about some of that new-fangled free-market capitalism here,
TimmehTimmy?DIGG IS OPEN
Many more and they will be calling Geithner the Hen.
And then prosecuted.
Geithner and the banksters are like frightened children dragging at the hand that is pulling them towards the inevitable. Either we join the first rank of nations and start nationalizing, or we die. It’s really that simple. But of course the banksters don’t want that because it’s SOCIALISM EEEEK EEEEK EEEEEEEK!
“Maiden Lane”? Are these military style code names so no one will catch on?
Can we expect a “Rolling Thunder” or “Arclight” soon to take out what’s left?
“…(Bernanke) said he was “very angry” at the regulatory failure involved…” Well excuse me, Ben, but all we’ve been hearing since before The Flood is that the free market works best when it’s allowed to operate unfettered by pesky regulations. Now you’re tap-dancing your way back from that precipice?
The only part of Adam Smith’s invisible hand that we’ve seen for a very long time is the middle finger.
As for Geithner? Yup. He’s gotta go. Do you suppose the WH understands the obvious yet? Are they trying to figure out what the spin will be when they pull the plug, or are they just going to let him dither on?
The NYFRB is located on Maiden Lane.
teeny, skiny street downtown in the wall street area.
eCahn beat me to it. with greater deatil.
apparently geithner, like summers, has a track record going back years. from naked capitalism:
i like the way you think!
stiglitz writing at the nation, has a few things to say about what to do with the banks. “transparency” is mentioned a few times too: A Bank Bailout That Works
One more (rhetorical) thing: Henry Paulson should be in jail…and with any luck, he eventually will be.
Very interesting interview yesterday with the consummate professional, Elizabeth Warren:
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..=101611260
He’s nothing more than an accomplice to the banksters.
AIG sounds like it went from a public company to a third party entity (think Enron chewbacca, deathstar etc) holding debt off the books of the banks and the federal reserve AIG does not seem to have any other purpose to exist.
A look at their books would confirm what we think there is no way AIG could pay the debt it now holds.
These types of corporations are illegal right? The debt belongs to the parent companies the banks and the fed.
Thankfully, not to be confused with the great Herbie Hancock tune, “Maiden Voyage”.
Okay, so it’s a porn star name. Middle name and the street you grew up on.
We’ve got to change the frame on financial innovation. The perps have managed to convince people that it’s a good thing (piggybacking on scientific innovation’s reputation) that needs only a bit more oversight to be perfect. Instead, it seems to offer nothing that is needed during good economic times, and make bad economic times even worse. So the frame I suggest is that financial innovation is inherently destabilizing and therefore should be disallowed unless it can be proven in advance to offer some benefit. Kinda like pharma regulation is supposed to work.
Probably “Maiden Lane” because that’s where the NY Fed is located. I forget the exact street address, but it’s on Maiden Lane in the financial district.
Geither is Obama’s biggest mistake so far and it may be the one mistake that drags his Presidency to the toilet. He better admit he made a mistake and dump Geither and Summers before it is too late.Geither is not change we can believe in.
is clinton responsible for the repeal of glass seagal or could he have done anything to prevent it’s repeal
[slaps own wrist] I should read comments before commenting…!
Curious thing about Stiglitz and also Krugman, reading their columns they appear to make basic “nuts and bolts” sense. Oh yea, they are both Nobel prize winners, whereas Geithner and Summers?
“Can we expect a “Rolling Thunder” or “Arclight” soon to take out what’s left?”
I think you’ve come up with the solution to this mess…
Maiden Lane…hmmmm used to be the street where all the whore houses were located..apparently still is
Perhaps the veto?
Clinton is nearly as responible for this mess as W Bush.
he is in up tohisgray locks,and other DEREGULATING nonsense too,did you get the url i left you for the frontline program?
it really pisses me off he holds on to these losers
havn’t had a chance to lool, will do so today
Two things will drag him into the crapper. Geithner is obviously one. The other would be the escalation in Afghanistan. That mistake will turn out to do to him what Vietnam did to LBJ.
On the bright side, the Obama presidency going down in flames opens the door for a Palin/Joe the Plumber ticket in 2012. I’m thinking Bobby Jindal as Secretary of Milk, Graham Crackers & Exorcisms.
“The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by Republican majorities on party lines by a 54-44 vote in the Senate[12] and by a 343-86 vote in the House of Representatives[13]. After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bipartisan bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90-8 (1 not voting) and in the House: 362-57 (15 not voting). Having majorities large enough to override any possible Presidential veto, the legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act
Perris @ 25 It was passed during his reign he could have vetoed it it was a compromise with the GOP Bill got something he wanted the GOP got something they wanted COmpromise is good except when your dealing with fools.
wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G…..Bliley_Act
clinton didn’t just sign the bill – it was his choices for treasury (first rubin then summers) who pushed for it’s repeal. to be fair, almost everyone in his administration and in congress were tripping over themselves to do the bankers bidding.
i wrote a diary on it: Which Idiot Decided to Repeal Glass-Steagall?. and there’s lots more in the timeline.
It should come as no surprise that both Geithner and the SEC are so reluctant to crack down on the financial industry. The SEC needs to be disolved and new regulatory body placed in its stead. There are so many deeply pervasive frauds committed throughout the industry, often with the SEC looking the other way, that even if we are successful in getting the banks back on track, it will only be a matter of time before they collapse again.
Shouldn’t Congress, especially democrat congress, KNOW what he is doing?
Something very wrong here.
This is not Geithner’s money, it is ours.
ShotoJamf @ 35 proves my 36 wrong:)
it’s the “nuts and bolts” sense that appeals. although i’m glad for them that they got the prize too.
nah. just put micheal greenberger in charge of the SEC. that would shake things up. *g*
works for me
from my diary link above:
Remember that Obama is Geithner’s boss. Apparently Obama thinks Geithner’s doing a heck of a job. The banker barons Geithner is protecting with our tax dollars sure think so.
Keith:
Excellent overview last night…keep going…connect ALL the dots
You are no doubt familiar with the Obama talking point on Geithner/Summers, which is that he needed people who knew the system to get up and running quickly. I finally got the right retort to that: it’s analogous to saying that you need a criminal as Atty General, because only a crook knows crime.
I was in government for a time at a municipal level but things at the federal level are the same. Representatives, like everyone, defer to “experts”. Elected officials have the additional incentive to go along by claiming, should things turn out badly, they followed expert advice. This mindset, and it is widespread, got us into the Iraq war. Remember weapons of mass destruction and intelligence that could not be revealed?
So it is with the financial mess. Transparency seems a good idea, except experts claim disclosure will damage an already precarious situation. Obama is impressed by his economic team much like JFK was impressed with CIA spooks who said the Bay of Pigs was a slam dunk. It will take a while before Obama becomes disenchanted as he surely will be, but are we the people ready to take responsiblity for deciding about our financial situation? I doubt we are ready for anything other than talk.
Geithner needs to go. NOW!
We the People are no longer in a position to support welfare queens that have squandered not only their own money, but trillions of ours as well.
Forgot to add, Thanks Jane!
“…it’s a good thing (piggybacking on scientific innovation’s reputation) that needs only a bit
moreless oversight to be perfect…”Fixed it for you…
Well, there’s quite a bit of difference for the consequences for the U.S. between JFK’s having incompetents run the Bay of Pigs, vs. Obama’s having incompetents run his economic program.
We the People are no longer in a position to support wealthfare queens
Mornin’
fixed it for ya :D
oh and We’re No 1 !!!
although they note if you take away Rita and Katrina, we’re 46th – Go Texas !
Disagree with your fix. That was the story line before the crash. They’ve changed their tune, now saying that just a tea-insy bit of regulation might be necessary.
Jane, I posted your schedule for James Galbraith and Rep Grayson in my comment at the DIGG. You’ll probably have more traffic than either guest can handle, but maybe it will net some FDL visitors who will be so fascinated they will joint us; reserving the right to throw back the trolls, of course.
Great work, Jane.
Suggestion: A choice subject to discuss with Mr. James K Galbraith would be his opinion about the 04/28/2004 meeting of the Big 5 investment banks’ CEOs and the 5 SEC commissioners who agreed that SECs rules would be changed to
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NY Times, 10/03/2008
Here are 2 background articles:
Paulson’s Testimony to SEC 02/29/2000 looks like he and Gramm in lockstep
tinyrevolution.com article 10/02/2008:
In 2000 SEC testimony, Paulson recommended “Self-Regulation” for Wall Street, plus a Rule change now blamed for the current collapse”.
Paulson was the driving force and spokesman for these ‘free’ market changes. He, as CEO of GS, and 4 other CEOs of the other 4 big investment banks (Morgan Stanly, Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros, Merril Lynch) met with 5 SEC commissioners 04/28/2004 and did the deed.
One SEC Commissioner, Harvey T. Goldschmid, remarked at the time, “We’ve said these are the big guys (provoking nervous laughter) but that means if anything goes wrong it’s going to be an awfully big mess.”
Welcome to that mess, Mr. Goldschmid!
I’m no economist or diarist, so have at it you pros. The timing of GWB inauguration, Gramm’s gutting Glass-Steagal, and Paulson’s raid on Wall Street are not, IMHO, ‘coincidences’. (tin-hat??)
Geithner in his famous September 2006 Hong Kong speech
http://www.newyorkfed.org/news…..60914.html
talked about how the diversity of new financial players (like hedge funds) and the abundance of new financial instruments made the financial system more flexible and more robust. You know the more we see into Geithenr’s past history the more he appears to have gotten the big things not just wrong but epically wrong.
He’s another guy who failed upward and now he is, along with Summers, calling the shots on the worst financial crisis we have had in 80 years. We are so screwed.
What’s the difference? The Bay of Pigs killed people and our financial mess hasn’t yet, but it boils down to who decides. It’s one thing to write here that Geithner must go, another to try to develop techniques that make that happen through people pressure.
The reason why we don’t have real transparency in any of this is because such transparency would show that the banks are bankrupt and riven with fraud.
I was joking. However, it doesn’t surprise me that they’re suggesting that just a teeny, tiny bit of regulation would perfect the model. Sounds like some good window-dressing to me. Once the storm blows over, it’s business as usual…not that I’m the least bit cynical, mind you.
ecahn and hugh – how about this geithner quote from jan 2007:
“…talked about how the diversity of new financial players (like hedge funds) and the abundance of new financial instruments made the financial system more flexible and more robust…”
This pisses me off beyond anything I can articulate. Complete and utter incompetence…
Do you really think the financial mess hasn’t killed anyone? You think that suicides of job and house losers haven’t happened? You think that people who have lost medical coverage haven’t died owing to lack of medical attention? Not to mention all the damage to people who haven’t died yet. You sure do have a strange way of looking at the magnitide of events: only deaths count.
Not to worry. Citi is profitable again.
From January 2007? Just surreal…
I know you were kidding, but it’s important for us outsiders to keep up with every jot and tittle of their talking points.
Um, at least from the U.S. POV, the expansion phase of the cycle was no stronger than past ones, and the aftermath will erase some or all of those gains. So I ask Geithner, where is the evidence?
I thought exactly the same thing. It is beyond dispute that there have been deaths that relate directly to this meltdown. Suicides, loss of medical coverage, rage in the streets, etc. When the money gets tight, the social fabric starts unraveling. Basic stuff.
Happy days are here again. Break out the Dom.
shock therapy imposed after the breakup of the soviet union probably killed 3 million. i expect deaths on a global scale from this crisis will be much worse.
It’s an important point. Bankers are seen as guys in suits working comfortably in nice well decorated offices sort of above it all. How could they be responsible for any death and destruction? But they are responsible, responsible for throwing millions of Americans out of work, putting millions deeply in debt and in danger of losing their homes, causing millions to lose health coverage, and that is just in this country. In China alone, there are 20 million or more who have lost jobs because of this downturn. People like Paulson, Bernanke, Summers, Rubin, and Geithner, and all those CEOs in the financial industry are responsible for death and destruction on a huge scale. I call them the financial terrorists.
I agree, and maybe we should start demanding that Obama let Stiglitz, Robini and Krugman (for starters) have a voice in developing the financial planning.
Yes, calling them financial terrorists is part of the frame changing that is critical if this tragedy is not to be repeated. Remember that W’s reign started with Enron and ended with an even bigger financial collapse. Nothing that was done to “fix” the Enron problem was any help at all in the next financial collapse.
Talk about absurdity. If Citi is doing so well how come the government had to bail them out again just last week? It goes to show how divorced from reality all these people are.
Dya think? I wonder what Pandit is on? In fact, I want to know so I make sure I never take it.
Many of us opposed Geithner’s appointment as well as Summers and others because they were architects or cheerleaders for the policies which set the stage for the criminals to almost wipe us out. Geithner had the added baggage of being a tax cheat.
Why would anyone be surprised that his/their efforts would still be in support of the criminals?
Yeah, it’s past time for them to go and time for Obama to step up and say “Okay, I was wrong,” but that isn’t going to happen because Obama is determined to continue this massive fraud and the one coming when access to universal health care will be controlled by insurance corporations which will extract massive profits from it.
Yes, monsters they are.
From the outside, it appears the Wall St, Washington and almost the entire NE corridor is one large body of organized crime. Geithner and his assistants, Summers & Rubin, are as much a part of that culture as they are change.
I perceive that hiring people for the US Treasury is not possible for three reasons, first Geithner exhibits all the symptoms of a micro-manager (micro-managers are typically incapable of seeing the larger picture, and substitute activity for effectiveness), second Geithner wants a job after leaving the Treasury and cannot afford to alienate his potential future employers, and third there are no people in Wall St who can pass Obama’s strict ethics requirement, because they are all ethically tainted, including Geithner. Geithner because I don’t believe for a second that Geithner, receiving a 1099 for his pay, did not know about self employment taxes, especially after the first 30 seconds with his accountant.
If the Government, Military and Financial Industry are as corrupt as they appear (I don’t for a moment believe they are inept), then the United State experiment is over. Too much corruption to fix, too much personal danger to try. All that will happen is some fiddling around at the margins (as we are seeing from Geithner currently).
Again from the outside, It’s hard to name one large institution, Government or Commercial, that has even the appearance of honesty and fair dealing.
To me it looks like “screw the consumer” is the modus operandi of all these institutions, in the good name of profit of course, profit sucked up by the greedy at the top.
Hey, if Bernacke and Geithner cuss me out in public can I have a billion dollars, too?
I meant deaths due to murder, riots, armed insurrection, not collateral, indirect damage of which there is a lot. We must first understand what makes a person greedy. When we realize we need not be as crazy as they are, we can begin to think in non-capitalist terms. We are a good way away because everyone dreams of “making it” without considering what they are making and how fictitious (psychotic) it is.
Repealing Glass-Steagall was a nasty bit of mischief, though after the damage was done it has enabled several of the more culpable parties (Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley) to make complicating escapes.
This ugly thing however, was probably good for 5 of the 7 deadly sins afaic, and I do mean that; it’s practically the Loot the Middle Class Enabling Act. Here’s another article on the CFMA and Phil Gramm’s role in passing it. I actually have a slight memory of the thing passing and being discovered a nick too late as a dirty little trick, the reason being that back in the mid 70s or so I was appalled to discover that with absolutely no examination of any kind save validation of my payment of $6 I was able to become a licensed commodities dealer, courtesy of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission. Since then I’ve been waiting to hear how the CFTC was going to end Western civilization, and really did wonder whether it was being given its chance, though I forgot about it with, you know, W and all.
I’m so sorry that the license card got away from me over the years. That little regulatory vagary was cleared up some time ago; my general skepticism was not.
At your link ‘this ugly thing’, the Commodities Futures Modernization Act (CFMA) was drafted by Enron lobbyists and Phil Gramm, never debated in either house of congress, Republican sponsored except for about 2 or 3 dems, was included in the 11,000 page omnibus spending bill, sneaked through the day before congress left for Xmas holidays.
Crooks, liars, deceivers, manipulators, grafters, irresponsible hawgs at the government trough – a rotten congress then and now! (a few exceptions, Rep Grayson, Sen. Whitehouse, Feingold, Rep Waxman…)
prostratedragon and acquarius74 -
re the CFMA, i wrote a diary on that one too: Which Idiot Decided Not to Regulate Credit Default Swaps?.
i don’t understand how that motherjones article can be the whole story because gramm wasn’t on the conference committee so how exactly did he “sneak” it in? furthermore ewing explained it’s inclusion from the house floor just prior to the vote and i don’t know how any senator can complain about it being “snuck” in anywhere when they approved the bill by UC before it was even brought to the senate floor. and as press accounts from that time show, it just wasn’t a big secret.
i know this only because i actually went back and for the days in questions watched hours of archived cspan video, read hearing transcripts, nyt articles, etc. now maybe i have it wrong, but if that’s the case i want good evidence from primary sources.
here is the relevant bit from my timeline (see the original for all the links and lots more info prior to this bit):
It also appears they’re protecting the maiden’s reputation by turning Citigroup into a harlot. But look, the harlot was profitable the most recent quarter! Will the maiden ever get off her butt and start making some money for Uncle Sam? …wink wink nudge nudge.
The Republicans controlled Congress and would have probably overridden a veto. But, that repeal is clearly NOT the biggest factor in this crisis. Where it enabled stupidity was in letting banking or insurance funds be used for the more risky type activities usually reserved to hedge funds or investment banks. There needs to be clear separation or complete separation a la Glass-Steagal (sp).
We need regulation soon and it should include some very large granularity things like fixing that separation of “investment” activities, regulation or banning of credit default swaps, banning of naked credit default swaps, banning splitting assets (as mortgages were in CDOs), putting limits on mortgage offering (as it has existed for banks) by any kind of lender, perhaps limits on some kinds of use of leveraging, passing the bankruptcy bill to let people get out from under dangerous mortgages and a ban on adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs).
Separately it would seem to make sense that golden parachutes and any large benefit to a corporate CEO who drives his company into the ground should be banned.
I may be overlooking one or two things, but these are biggies.
I know everybody wants to know what’s going on and whether we’re making progress. I too want to see the foreclosure rate decreasing.
However, it’s sort of like the old adage of watching legislation in the making being somewhat like watching sausage being made — nobody really wants to see it, they just want the end product.
I think one problem with transparency is that a lot of people would throw up because they would see some short-term activities which are revulsive and they might not get that it (hopefully) is leading toward a resolution of the problems. [ I say this speculatively and with hope. ]
It would indeed be interesting to listen in on a meeting of those with Geithner, Summers, Romer and Orszag. I’d almost pay to hear that (if I had any money left).
C’est la guerre.
It has gotten to the point where we can not depend on government ‘officials’ to handle taxpayer money. This is all a big game of Monopoly, with even the intrigue of overpriced housing. Hard not to lump all the messes but clearly the solutions are not going to come from those who have no skin in the game. Hard to change the rules at this time but we need change. Certainly Geithner has a conflict of interest with his past positions on the FED. All our bureaucrats are overpaid and they should be taking pay cuts like everyone else.
Dear Synoia, I feel your pain. Why is money so important that people will sell their country out for any amount? We are just too weak now after the abuses of the Bush years. But we have to pull the country together on the right track for our sweet children and grandchildren who deserve a future.
Once upon a time in America a guy or gal went to work for a company and expected to compensated decently over a career with said company that might last 40 years. Then someday if the company wasn’t driven into the ground he would have some sort of pension…he had skin in the game for the long term success of said company. Then compensation and the tax structure was made that a person could see a huge golden rainbow in five to ten years, there was only short term skin in the game. Who gives a crap about the long term survival of the company, I can get me gold in a few years then bye bye…see ya suckers…I got mine. BOOM.