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	<title>Comments on: Productivity Predicts Happy Days Ain&#8217;t Here Again</title>
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		<title>By: Albatross</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/08/productivity-predicts-happy-days-aint-here-again/#comment-1850987</link>
		<dc:creator>Albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So what you’re saying is, as long as we DENY the efforts that the workers have put in so far, THEN we can maybe wring more out of the system?  Not sure I follow you.  What I know from the ground is that people are exhausted, and that as a nation and a culture we are suffering the effects of overwork. Our current efforts don’t seem sustainable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you’re arguing that we can somehow make the system fairer and more efficient, then yes, I bet we can.  But as a culture we need to reject the corporatist line that the road to happiness is paved with 60-hour work-weeks.  That’s been proven wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you’re saying is, as long as we DENY the efforts that the workers have put in so far, THEN we can maybe wring more out of the system?  Not sure I follow you.  What I know from the ground is that people are exhausted, and that as a nation and a culture we are suffering the effects of overwork. Our current efforts don’t seem sustainable.</p>
<p>If you’re arguing that we can somehow make the system fairer and more efficient, then yes, I bet we can.  But as a culture we need to reject the corporatist line that the road to happiness is paved with 60-hour work-weeks.  That’s been proven wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/08/productivity-predicts-happy-days-aint-here-again/#comment-1850985</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was talking to a econ professor of some note last week, who said that the crisis is not one of demand, but of financial collapse. I said I thought that without tapping new loci of demand, we would not easily recover. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Green demand is tricky, though. Some green demand is reduction. There’s a nice &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/magazine/08Zipcar-t.html?scp=1&amp;sq=zipcars&amp;st=cse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;piece &lt;/a&gt;in the NY Times Magazine about Zipcars, which reduce the number of cars on the road and the number of miles driven.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, we need to retool. Yes we need to create green demand and then fill it. But green demand may not do the whole trick. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What we also need is to create demand for things which increase quality of life without reducing the quality of the natural  environment. GDP increases through literature, drama, community sports and recreation, education, and other low impact, high satisfaction activities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking to a econ professor of some note last week, who said that the crisis is not one of demand, but of financial collapse. I said I thought that without tapping new loci of demand, we would not easily recover. </p>
<p>Green demand is tricky, though. Some green demand is reduction. There’s a nice <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/magazine/08Zipcar-t.html?scp=1&amp;sq=zipcars&amp;st=cse" rel="nofollow">piece </a>in the NY Times Magazine about Zipcars, which reduce the number of cars on the road and the number of miles driven.</p>
<p>Yes, we need to retool. Yes we need to create green demand and then fill it. But green demand may not do the whole trick. </p>
<p>What we also need is to create demand for things which increase quality of life without reducing the quality of the natural  environment. GDP increases through literature, drama, community sports and recreation, education, and other low impact, high satisfaction activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Stirling Newberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stirling Newberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually in the short term it is the other way around: laying off marginal worker was one of the few ways that productivity could be increased. Hence marginal workers were let go in the US, and hired elsewhere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually in the short term it is the other way around: laying off marginal worker was one of the few ways that productivity could be increased. Hence marginal workers were let go in the US, and hired elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Stirling Newberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stirling Newberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Productivity is part of a feedback loop. It is a consequence of other decisions, it is a cause of decisions in turn. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s indeed true, and often mentioned, that in the mid 1970’s the link between productivity and wages was broken, however, just as important is that there is a link between consistency of productivity, and lower average gains. Thus the two major constraints on the economy, from much of the public policy view, is that real wages were not rising, and productivity was, for much of the time, not rising as fast as commitments.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Productivity is part of a feedback loop. It is a consequence of other decisions, it is a cause of decisions in turn. </p>
<p>It’s indeed true, and often mentioned, that in the mid 1970’s the link between productivity and wages was broken, however, just as important is that there is a link between consistency of productivity, and lower average gains. Thus the two major constraints on the economy, from much of the public policy view, is that real wages were not rising, and productivity was, for much of the time, not rising as fast as commitments.</p>
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		<title>By: brione</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/08/productivity-predicts-happy-days-aint-here-again/#comment-1850975</link>
		<dc:creator>brione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It became clear to me years ago that, despite common wisdom, productivity was actually the enemy of the common worker. As productivity went up, employment (especially quality work) went down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A lot of that had/has to do with the compensation structure, where those at the top were accumulating all the productivity gains.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At one point Agilent Technologies, where I used to work, changed their “profit sharing” plan because worker productivity from outsourcing had made the old formula so lucrative that they said it was bad. Of course, the payouts went way down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Until something shifts, I’m glad productivity is down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It became clear to me years ago that, despite common wisdom, productivity was actually the enemy of the common worker. As productivity went up, employment (especially quality work) went down.</p>
<p>A lot of that had/has to do with the compensation structure, where those at the top were accumulating all the productivity gains.</p>
<p>At one point Agilent Technologies, where I used to work, changed their “profit sharing” plan because worker productivity from outsourcing had made the old formula so lucrative that they said it was bad. Of course, the payouts went way down.</p>
<p>Until something shifts, I’m glad productivity is down.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;that’s exactly as i thought. since they (the ’90s wage gains) were temporary / not sustainable i think of the them as nice for the people who enjoyed them but not a measure of real economic progress.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that’s exactly as i thought. since they (the ’90s wage gains) were temporary / not sustainable i think of the them as nice for the people who enjoyed them but not a measure of real economic progress.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bubbliscious monetary policy contributed to rapid growth in the economy which, in turn, led to rapid employment growth, and eventually an unemployment rate low enough to tip into accelerating wage gains.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bubbliscious monetary policy contributed to rapid growth in the economy which, in turn, led to rapid employment growth, and eventually an unemployment rate low enough to tip into accelerating wage gains.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/08/productivity-predicts-happy-days-aint-here-again/#comment-1850861</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thus in the 1960s (and briefly again in the 1990s), labor became so scarce that companies were forced to bid workers away from each other (unemployment rate around 4% is the empirical tipping point), wages rose, making labor expensive, launching the substitution of capital for labor.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;in the ’90s was it really labor scarcity or monetary policy as i think stiglitz says (if i don’t misunderstand him completely) - iow, a bubble economy?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thus in the 1960s (and briefly again in the 1990s), labor became so scarce that companies were forced to bid workers away from each other (unemployment rate around 4% is the empirical tipping point), wages rose, making labor expensive, launching the substitution of capital for labor.</p>
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<p>in the ’90s was it really labor scarcity or monetary policy as i think stiglitz says (if i don’t misunderstand him completely) &#8211; iow, a bubble economy?</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/08/productivity-predicts-happy-days-aint-here-again/#comment-1850860</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/08/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-earl-ofari-hutchinson-how-obama-won/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book Salon upstairs&lt;/a&gt; with guest Earl Ofari Hutchinson and his &lt;i&gt;How Obama Won&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/08/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-earl-ofari-hutchinson-how-obama-won/" rel="nofollow">Book Salon upstairs</a> with guest Earl Ofari Hutchinson and his <i>How Obama Won</i></p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Right now, Obama’s economic team is banging their head against a catch-22: Until there is private money coming in, credit can’t be restored.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i don’t understand this - at least in the short run. $700 billion went for the TARP, and now obama is talking about the possibility of needing another $700 billion at some point.  instead of bailing out the banksters, why not use that $700 billion (or two) to restart a new credit source? at 10 to 1 leverage that’s $7 trillion of credit. or maybe you think this is woefully inadequate?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i agree though that to me it looks like demand is a problem. and especially the kind of demand that leads to long term benefits (health, environment, energy, education, security and so forth) and not just for americans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;at the moment labor productivity doesn’t look like an issue to me. at least not in the classic amount produced / unit of labor sense because the world has tons of labor going to waste. the trick, i’d think, is how to put it to productive use.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what am i missing?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Right now, Obama’s economic team is banging their head against a catch-22: Until there is private money coming in, credit can’t be restored.</p>
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<p>i don’t understand this &#8211; at least in the short run. $700 billion went for the TARP, and now obama is talking about the possibility of needing another $700 billion at some point.  instead of bailing out the banksters, why not use that $700 billion (or two) to restart a new credit source? at 10 to 1 leverage that’s $7 trillion of credit. or maybe you think this is woefully inadequate?</p>
<p>i agree though that to me it looks like demand is a problem. and especially the kind of demand that leads to long term benefits (health, environment, energy, education, security and so forth) and not just for americans.</p>
<p>at the moment labor productivity doesn’t look like an issue to me. at least not in the classic amount produced / unit of labor sense because the world has tons of labor going to waste. the trick, i’d think, is how to put it to productive use.</p>
<p>what am i missing?</p>
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