BREAKING: Steve Benen and Matt Yglesias report that elected and self-appointed GOP leaders are, more often than not, morons. In related news, water has been discovered to exhibit certain distinct properties of "dampness."
Well, that’s kind of unfair. Yglesias is right that "the way their movement works, intelligence or understanding of politics and policy has no meaningful role in advancement. If anything, there’s something of a negative correlation between knowing what you’re talking about and being able to get ahead in right-wing politics." And Benen is right, sure, that "leading Republican officials — Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, Mike Pence — say all kinds of things that should be dismissed as transparent nonsense, but aren’t."
But I am puzzled about what Yglesias means by saying that "most liberals" are not vouchsafed this enlightenment. If he means "most liberals overall," he’s wrong. But if he means "liberals who write for Respectable Insider Publications like, say, The New Republic," well, I’d agree.
I try not to but I still entertain dark and savage recollections of the end of 2002 and the start of 2003, when most liberals playing along at home knew perfectly well that the "case for war" was a crock. And at the same time pretty much every "liberal" who drew or aspired to draw a paycheck from a "liberal" institution, or who occupied the "liberal" position at a mainstream publication or on the teevee, at best squeakily weaseled in the face of shithead-level propaganda, and at worst actively collaborated in selling perhaps the most flat-out asinine war in American history. I’m not saying that the primary motivation of such persons was a vulgar concern with getting paid. I am not so cynical (smiles winsomely). Besides, even the more cloddish Beinart-class buffoons aren’t dumb enough to get into the "liberal" pontificating gig in order to get rich. (Probably, anyway.)
No, I mean that the entire range of possible things to say about the Iraqi adventure just so happened to correspond precisely to the range of positions it was possible to occupy in the field of "liberal commentary" and receive any sort of financial compensation, or more importantly, any sort of prestige as a Serious Thinker. That was simply how the field of more or less "official" liberal commentary was structured. It just so happened that if you stood up then and said "Bush is a liar and this invasion idea sucks," the less likely you were to get rewarded. And by a familiar sort of jackass political magic, the more sincere you were (or else could fake) in your arguments about how opponents of the war were a bunch of smelly dope hippies, the more eligible you were to win cash and prizes. Conversely, the more willing and even compelled you were to call Bush a liar, which was true, the more likely you were to, say, start a blog, which nobody with that point of view ever did in expectations of getting rich or becoming Respectable (except of course for Atrios).
Yes, it’s better now on the left; there is far more space for left voices, something achieved through a lot of effort, a lot of blogging, a lot of struggle. That Rachel Maddow, say, has a television show is remarkable, given what 2003 was like.
But still, for all that effort, and even in the light of Obama’s sweeping win, and Democratic gains — where are we? Look. Sure, there is and has for years been "something of a negative correlation between knowing what you’re talking about and being able to get ahead in right-wing politics." But that was also the case back in 2003 and to some degree even now in Democratic politics.
Not, of course, to the same extent. Democratic politicians are not by and large as insane as, say, James Inhofe obviously is on the subject of global climate change. It is more precise to say that Democratic politicians have internalized the system of sanction and reward that has characterized insider Washington culture for three decades now, so that the fear of not being Taken Seriously (along with, for Dem Senators, disgusting House-of-Lords-ish Senatorial notions of "collegiality") prevents elected officials from doing the sensible thing and pelting Inhofe with garbage (metaphorically speaking, though literally it would not be a bad idea either).
And this point goes to something Benen says that’s worth thinking through:
Most of the media and the public underestimate the scope of the foolishness, too.
If a member of Congress — not just some back-bencher, but a senator or a member of the House leadership — says something seemingly provocative, a lot of people are predisposed to take it seriously. After all, he/she is in a position of authority. He/she helps shape the policies of the federal government. His/her opinion must have some value; I’m seeing it on television.
That’s right, but what makes Benen think the media underestimates such foolishness, rather than being actively complicit in it? What other explanation is there for, quite egregiously, Fred Hiatt and the Washington Post editorial page? What other explanation could there be for something like this infamous piece of dreck, which is just plain wrong on its face? Or, more recently, what about the paper’s preposterous response to George Will’s preposterous column on climate change?
I don’t think Fred Hiatt is so dazzled by the fact that members of the GOP hold positions of authority that he accepts what they have to say as legitimate. After all, in the case of authoritative conservative commentators, his Wills and his Krauthammers and his Kristols, Hiatt is directly responsible for the authority that they hold and project.
It’s not like Hiatt is intellectually incapable of perceiving empirical reality, like the scientific consensus on global warming. The evidence suggests that he just doesn’t care. What he cares about is maintaining the balance of respectable opinion between batshit insane and mumblingly moderate that has prevailed in the political and media spheres for so long. And why shouldn’t he? Hasn’t he done quite well for himself out of it?
As we’re seeing, even disastrous election results are not enough to persuade the GOP and conservatives to accept reality, and the "MSM" certainly isn’t about to make them do it. It’s an incredibly dangerous situation. Does it matter what the truth may be? Does it matter what the public wants?
Don’t be absurd. What matters is where the limits of "legitimate" speech have been imposed — and these have been imposed by those who have no incentive to be right, and face no penalty for being wrong, no matter what the damage may be to the nation, or the world.




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Awesome post – love the graphic.
Hiatt: “Where the f*** did I put those keys? I hear them rattling around somewhere…”
Don’t shake hands with this man!
Thankee.
TWolf, I bow!
smiles winsomely
hi thers
John Stuart Mill once observed that “while not all conservatives are stupid, stupid people tend to be conservative.” Personally, I have always felt that he was far too generous and we now have irrefutable proof that they are, in fact, all outstandingly stupid. A level of stupidity only exceeded by that required of anyone employed by any major news organization or opinion journal.
for Dem Senators, disgusting House-of-Lords-ish Senatorial notions of “collegiality”) prevents elected officials from doing the sensible thing….
thanks for that.
I should probably also go on record once more with the prediction/fact that Mike Pence will be the R presidential candidate, probably in 2016.
carry on.
Thanks Thers.digg is open.
not a “fuck” to be found.
Hmmm
;~P
Bats eyes adorably
Hi!
Giggles, blushes
I hate the frickin’ Senate.
Speaking as an Okie expat, let me state for the record that the appropriate response to Inhoffe (& his equally loony colleague Tom Coburn) is tarring and feathering.
Have long felt that people who live in Washington view public matters as a spectator sport – it’s all about the nuances, the horse race, who has the advantage today. Nothing serious.
laughing uncontrollably
bet the toddler does the same when you make that face
A level of stupidity only exceeded by that required of anyone employed by any major news organization or opinion journal.
hmmm – “Successful Stupidity for Dummies”?
‘evening, Thers and all-
I think the batshit crazy ramblings of some of these people is philosophically consistent with their goal: the destruction of the government. Government is not the solution to the problem, you see, government IS the problem. All of this madness is the legacy of Reagan, and to a lot of people, it makes perfect sense.
I know. Just sayin’.
Props, Thers, and kudos to Twolf for the visual. Appropriately disgusting.
In the foolishness vein, Frank Rich’s Grover’s Corners column for Sunday ties in nicely.
I’ve been pondering how incestuous The Village is, bottom feeder Red Skull Ben Ginsberg out in Minneapolis makin’ up shit is part of Cokie’s brother’s law firm, yes?
Ol’ Hiatt is standing strong for his homies like Will and Broder and they’re all so pre-Recession.
Did it ever occur to these doofuses that their networks and newspapers started really tanking just about the time they were really rollin’ with Bushie and the war lies and the corporate malfeasance blinditude?
It is all rather like the Versailles intrigues, doncha know? Tres amuse, but never to be taken at all seriously since nothing will ever disturb the privileged life of the courtiers.
*starts sharpening pitchfork and greasing the tumbrel*
Are you kidding? Can’t show weakness in front of that crowd.
In the case of Inhoffe and Coburn, I think they have rather loftier goals – the destruction of all life as we know it. Got to get to those end times somehow. Just doin’ God’s work.
Gently, pups…
History doesn’t necessarily repeat, but it does echo…
Yeah, there is a yawning gulf between the powerful and reality. Bad mojo for a civilization.
It’s rather amazing to me…these are educated people, they’ve read the historical precedents…but they seem utterly unable to apply this knowledge to the present, and their own roles in it. They can see it coming, but seem helpless to stop themselves.
*buffing nails on chest*
i survived the toddler years and the teen years.
Their perceptions are similar to those of many prosecutors. Losing a case is a black-eye. Winning is a feather in your cap. Innocence, guilt, JUSTICE… merely words.
After all, reality is subjective, right?
It’s all about content for your next column/tv show. If we ever get like this here I hope you all will come and kick our behinds.
[observing Lurking Mod comment - ok nonviolently please]
There are none so blind as those who will not see. Hard to get someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on their not understanding it (Upton Sinclair).
I think the Iraq War was the impetus behind the rise of the blogosphere. Up until then I believed that media and government had flaws but that overall they still could be trusted. But Iraq kept proving to me at every turn, every rationale and justification I could come up with, that I was just wrong. That the only way I was going to find the truth about it or anything else was to go looking for it myself. There were of course others and it was that process of finding them, testing our ideas against each other, and sharing our knowledge and discoveries that created the blogosphere and still keeps it going.
Wait till the twenty-somethings start moving back home. :)
Ditto. And I ain’t doing it again, thank you very much. 8-)
*looking over at twenty something daughter on sofa* already here rond
Mine is 30 something and his wife and family might have something to say about that.
Wow.Mine too.
My daughter’s soon-to-be-ex thought his opinion counted too.
My stepdaughter is 18. Also, years ago when my wife’s sister died young we had to take in our niece — who had had a rotten childhood, and was an ungovernable teen. Drugs, dropping out, being a jerk, disappearing onto the streets.
I’m pretty hard boiled about the parenting thing. I had a teen before I had an infant.
Ouch! Last I heard, my son and his wife are doing very well, however. They have already been together longer than I ever managed.
i had step-kids before i had each of my girls. i think it is easier starting off with infants but having teens first does make one wiser.
OT: I absolutely refuse to spring forward, I am setting all my clocks BACK 23 hours.
It was the war, and then the sheer lack of other modes of getting yourself heard.
If ever an event called for a totally stupid and futile gesture, this is it! ;-)
See ya yesterday!
;~P
According to my watch, it’s now 11:18.
and the date is Tuesday, August 1st.
My own wrist is lyin’ to me.
*s*
You have entered a progressive time warp. 8-)
I think it’s a lot simpler to think that McConnell et al. are lying, not stupid.
As for “liberals” pushing pro-war bs, maybe it’s easier to understand when you recognise that there’s nothing liberal about them, and that they are basically Third Way centre rightists, who don’t mind that the poor get to see a doctor when they’re sick, but think that redistribution of wealth sounds a bit like someone will take away their cushy job and nice apartment.
oh – well that’s ok then.
I don’t know if it made me wiser, but it gave me a thicker skin. And a determination not to do the things to my kids that can wreck their lives, if that makes sense. We got our niece when she was 13, and by that point she’s already been given so many bad cards, there was not that much to do for her. She’s semi-stable now, but oy, still kind of a mess. It’s kind of weird but seeing how bad it could be makes it easier to put up with the more mundane stresses that come naturally with the parenting gig.
These are not mutually exclusive possibilities. Far from it.
and more patience. yup.
At least you’ve got a good score.
heh.
Saw that – way back in the day, on a Sat night on Hollyweird Blvd.
I don’t think “lying” or “stupid” is right. They’re believers. The Jim Jones followers were neither lying nor stupid, though what they said was absurd and unbelievable.
That said, Inhofe is pretty stupid.
I generally opt for a toxic and combustible mix of lying, stupid, and batshit crazy in varying proportions for this lot.
Fred Hiatt has been failing upwards for decades. He helped to run the Washington Star into the ground and he is in the process of running the Washington Post into the ground. He is a perfect example of how Versailles exalts failure.
Me too back in the early ’80s, standing at a counter waiting for a gyro at 2 a.m. in Chicago. Watched in amazement as a 6′ 6″ woman walked by… A moment later Eddie Murphy ran past. Okay, I lied about the last part.
Good post. Thanks. Puts in a nutshell much of what’s been said by the top writers on this blog, by Greenwald, Horton, Digby, Juan Cole and a host of other DFH’s. Hiatt is, for example, still editor at the WaPoo because he knows what he’s selling is snake oil, not the elixir of the gods. He knows who he’s selling it to and on whose behalf.
More of this please, about these figures on the right and left who legitimize and empower those who lie and work directly against the interests of most Americans. They dynamic was there when Lincoln and FDR were in office. Eisenhower, a classic old-school, pre-Nixon, pre-Newt Republican, knew about them too.
Main Street’s interests in Washington have rarely been promoted, and then usually when we’ve been in extremis. After the Robber Barons had engorged themselves so much that Carnegie gave his all back. After the Great Depression, when enacting social legislation was the price of avoiding revolt. After JFK’s assassination and during the Vietnam build-up. After Nixon resigned in disgrace, not because he mortally sinned, but because he was outed by his own tapes.
The odds against Main Streeters are higher now, in part, because of media consolidation, its adoption of private equity’s asset-stripping ownership methods, and because most news organizations are owned by those who want to sell only propaganda and by a few who prize gentlemanly demeanor over gentlemanly conduct. (Jim Lehrer and David Brooks know who I’m referring to.)
Obama has a historic opportunity. So does the press. We are in a bigger mess than almost anyone alive has lived through. Obama can do great things. But he has to try. Not doing them won’t keep his ship safe in a storm; it’s already in the eye. Obama seems to be just trying to move along at the same speed as the eye, hoping the storm will dissipate before he has to sail out of it. What we said about Bush applies equally to Obama: hope is not a plan.
Also most of the congressional Goopers will believe whatever somebody pays them to believe, at least as long as the price is right.
The Goopers are 100 percent consistent in that they are and have always been on the wrong side of every issue. What is currently gratifying is that the wrong side is also the unpopular side. It won’t last forever but might as well enjoy it while we can.
Nice quote from Mill. Jeremy Bentham would probably have agreed with it. I write that off to the followership model of authoritarians, with their exceptional tolerance for hypocrisy. It seems rather wolf-packish.
Scary.
More sheep-herdish than wolf-packish I would think.
Lemmingish at present, I do believe.
Sheep eat only grass. Today’s Republicans are not vegetarians.
Those poor damned lemmings always get a bum rap. At worst, they are smarter than wingnuts… and they’re better topped with grilled onions, too.
Perhaps but the rams can be real butt-heads.:-)
Seem rather like carrion eaters at present, though brain-eating zombies is a definite possibility.
by a few who prize gentlemanly demeanor over gentlemanly conduct. (Jim Lehrer and David Brooks know who I’m referring to.)
I have never heard it put more succinctly.
and bbq sauce
Donald Graham should resign.
Time for me to head out. The body has been taking old Ben Franklin far too seriously lately (5:30 am is waaay to early to rise, especially when you don’t even have to get up).
Yep, although in fairness being doused with bbq sauce might even improve wingnuts (slightly).
g’nite dr (pause) dick
Night, DrDick.
Think I’ll head out too, have a lot of clocks to set back. Wishing a splendid evening to all.
Waste of good BBQ sauce if you ask me. Night all.
g’nite ratfood
Great post, Thers.
and goodnight, DrDick and ratfood – good dreams.
What we said about Bush applies equally to Obama: hope is not a plan.
I just hope he figures out in time how unseaworthy the ship actually is.
My suspicion is that the Bushites made things even worse than we know, frankly.
T’anks Kirk.
Were the Bushites really here just to rape and pillage?
They were out to rewrite the Constitution. And they succeeded.
and line their pockets and those of their friends
Perhaps rewriting the Constitution is the same as rape and pillage.
This is magnificent, Thers.
Thank you so very much.
Yeah. That too.
But I really think that you can never explain everything by simple greed.
Greed only ever explains 90% of it.
Teddy, honored. Humbled.
i think the other 10% was pure unadulterated evil
i think the other 10% was pure unadulterated evil
otherwise known, in republican circles, as a ‘hobby’.
as a former r, it has been my experience that those with a higher percentage refer to it as a calling
No, worse than evil — True Belief.
I’m less frightened by the criminal just out to steal than I am by the True Believing Neocon, who is just the flip side of the Jihadist. Those are the types who would cheerfully destroy civilization in order to save it. Or kill to save lives.
Criminals I can at least understand. True believers I can’t, and that’s frightening.
a belief that they are above the rest – that they are special – that the little people should be grateful for their vision – and that it is their way or the highway (or jail or gitmo). that they have been pre-ordained to do this, whatever that this is.
Right. It’s a religion. A stupid religion.
–The MSM is Democratic.
–Global Warming is Fake.
–Gays are unequal.
–Spending money in a recession is dumb.
Don’t we have to have rich and priviledged people to make us regulars depressed enough to consume large quantities of alcohol and drugs to keep big pharma in control od society.? Soma?
late late nite toon upstairs
It is my personal belief , (one of) the reason(s) that so many major newspapers are failing these days. It’s so obvious that the Newspapers aren’t even trying to inform their readers, they’re just basically indoctrinating readers (and trying to impress each other with their seriousness). Lots of folks have figured it out, and cancelled their subscriptions.
$3 Trillion dollar budget deficit for openers. The heist is still in progress. Can’t serve two masters!
And Pam’s nipples
conniptionfit: I’ve been thinking that, too. As another said, one cannot serve two masters. Media can serve the public or the propagandists, but not both. And in 2003 especially, they chose Mammon/the propagandists. And GOd (the public) is pissed.
History calls it enlightened despotism of Devine Right Kings… which formented the French Revolution and beheading of the royalty and the release of the Bastille prison where torture was a fine art.
At the end of the day the DC talking heads are dirty, so much waste and pork and earmarking..enough to make anybody sick….
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