On November 15, 2001, John Yoo and Robert Delahunty wrote a memo, addressed to John Bellinger [pdf] (Senior Associate Counsel to the President and Legal Adviser to the NSC) which had this as its stated purpose:
This is to provide you with our views on the question whether the President has the constitutional authority to suspend certain articles of the Treaty Between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the Limitation of Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems, May 26, 1972, US-USSR, 23 UST 3435 (the "ABM Treaty") insofar as it is necessary to allow the development and testing of missile defenses. You have asked us to consider two cases: first, suspension of the relevant articles by mutual consent of both the United States and the Russian Federation; second, unilateral suspension by the United States. We conclude that the President has the constitutional authority to suspend the articles in either case.
Less than one month later, Bush announced that he was giving Russia six month’s notice of his intention to withdraw from the treaty completely, per the provisions of the treaty itself.
The OLC memo is a nice tidy case study and homage to Addington’s beloved Unitary Executive theory. Toward the end of the memo, the discussion takes an interesting turn, however, from looking at "Can a president suspend a treaty on his own?" to "Can a president withdraw from a treaty on his own?"
Isn’t that a nice pivot? "This reminds me of a question I wish you’d have asked . . ."
Yoo and Delahunty note that amending requires the Senate to act, but claim that suspending is different and can be done unilaterally. As I summarized their logic in Marcy’s first thread on these memos, "What’s the difference between amending and suspending? Amending a treaty means changing the words of the document; suspending it means ignoring them. (p. 19) The memo has Yoo’s signature but it also has David Addington’s fingerprints."
After reading the last section of the memo, it sounds to me like Addington was having a fight with folks at the NSC who doubted you could even suspend articles of the treaty — folks like Bellinger. Addington, remember, was no fan of Bellinger:
Addington and the hard-liners had particular disregard for Bellinger, who was considered a softie–mocked by Addington because he had lunch once a month or so with a pillar of the liberal-leaning legal establishment, the late Lloyd Cutler. When Addington and Flanigan produced a document–signed by Bush–that gave the president near-total authority over the prosecution of suspected terrorists, Bellinger burst into Gonzales’s office, clearly upset, according to a source familiar with the episode. But it was too late.
Addington was just getting started. Minimizing dissent by going behind the backs of bureaucratic rivals was how he played the game.
Here’s my WAG: Addington baits Bellinger into putting the question to the OLC (shades of David Kris?), and then got Yoo to write a memo that went beyond suspension to address the question of withdrawing from treaties completely – a question Bellinger did not apparently ask. When the withdraw language gets back to the WH, Addington then says "Gosh, you were worried about suspending parts of the treaty, but OLC says we can just withdraw from the treaty entirely, all on Bush’s say-so, and not involve the Senate? Great — let’s do it."
But one other big question occurred to me as I was reading this ABM treaty memo. In November 2001, the ABM treaty was not the only treaty under a microscope at the Bush White House. As Sourcewatch notes, "Legal arguments for avoiding the jurisdiction of the Geneva Conventions commenced prior to November 13, 2001, when President George W. Bush issued the Presidential Military Order Detention, Treatment, and Trial of Certain Non-Citizens in the War Against Terrorism," in which Sourcewatch notes no reference is made either directly or indirectly to the Geneva Conventions.
If you read the discussion in the OLC’s ABM treaty memo, and substitute "Geneva" in your head whenever the text says "ABM," you realize that the memo is a powerful buttress to the notion that the President can use pixie dust not just on troublesome executive orders but on international treaties as well. It almost makes me wonder if the ABM discussion was cover for asking OLC to approve going around Geneva without mentioning Geneva by name.
Or maybe my tinfoil hat is just a wee bit too tight. Whether it was cover or not, the twisted "logic" employed by Yoo and Delahunty certainly could be used to bolster anyone who wanted to dispense with an "obsolete" and "quaint" document like the Geneva Conventions.
And it probably was. Those are the memos that I’d like to see next.
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For more on the OLC memos, see:
DOJ Releases OLC Memos: Why Hide Bradbury’s Legal Smackdown?
OLC Restores 4th Amendment after Hounding from Congress
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Yoo know that when the President does it, it’s not illegal. Like, say, suspending the 1st Amendment.
yoo is clearly a sociopath, whatever the administration wanted to do he simply wrote that he could
this man is sick in the head
I discussed on one of marcy’s threads, their reasonng went like this;
1) the president is not above the law
2) the law provides the president can do whatever he wants
But think another corollary has to be added: 3.) the President is not the President, the Vice President is the President.
Well, Yoo may have been using pixie dust on the the Geneva Convention, but Bybee used a frickin’ chainsaw in his memo on the Geneva Convention, the Convention Against Torture and rendition.
That is the most chilling part of the newly released memos, IMO.
Was the press somehow aware of those OLC decisions? Because the press sure was quiet and supine for those Bush years–in spite of the obvious and egregious law breaking.
They suspended the Constitution. Why not a couple of treaties?
” One day after releasing a set of Bush administration memorandums claiming sweeping presidential powers to bypass legal constraints when fighting terrorism, Justice Department officials said on Tuesday that they may soon disclose further secret opinions about interrogation, surveillance, and other national security policies. “
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03…..=2&hp
“People better watch what they say” has a far more sinister meaning today.
Yoo has got to be the worst lawyer in history. He would have written a memo saying that witches should be burned if Addington had told him to, and not just that but that the President could order such a burning on his own without reference to or even informing the other branches.
My question is why hasn’t Yoo been disbarred and how much tripe does a quack Law School like Boalt have to receive before they fire him.
Every so often I send an email to Garry Trudeau, asking when Joanie Cacus Redfern is going to be leading the protest at Boalt Hall against Yoo and how his presence trashes her “alma mater.”
Why should we watch what we say when the government is doing that for us? Oh wait, . . .
There was a whole panel that someone linked to that had 3 or 4 speakers on that topic. I think that the conclusions were that a tenured professor may not be fired unless there had been a whole separate legal case that he lost. Someone raised the issue of moral turpitude, which has a possibility of working, but is a stretch. And on disbarment, again, it’s difficult to do that without proof (i.e., the loss of a legal case). One or two of the speakers thought that Berkeley had the obligation to investigate themselves, but their arguments seemed weak.
oh, I’d like to see that.
Unfortunately, Boalt is not a quack law school – but do you suppose Yoo’s taking that visiting professorship at another school (the name escapes me at the moment, have to look for the article) came about as a result of a heads-up that the memos were coming out?
Perhaps Boalt’s dean arranged it, and then after a decent interval, will cancel Yoo’s tenure for cause….
(he does have tenure, right? Otherwise, I cannot believe he’d still be employed)
Chapman.
I think those who benefit from a system of tenure would rather have a hack war criminal in their midst then do anything to rock the boat that protects them. The problem with this approach is that having someone as criminally incompetent as Yoo around brings that whole system into question and raises the question if this is really about freedom of intellectual expression or the gravy train.
tenure isn’t a legal term and a school isn’t bound by anything except the principles they espouse
if yoo is inept as a lawyer it’s easy enough to discredit him, they can rescind tenure at will and if they were afraid of some kind of repercussion they could simly dismiss his service, request a resignation and if it didn’t come they would say they disavow anything associated with the opinions which are not representative any teachings of law
there are many methods they can use to accomplish the same goal, I give them no ground or excuse
I disagree about Boalt. No reputable law school would ever hire Yoo. Ipso facto, Boalt is not a reputable law school. He taught Constitutional Law there. How obscene is that?
If Boalt wants to be a haven for war criminals, then it should expect to see its reputation trashed. Afterall if it doesn’t give a shit about, as it clearly doesn’t keeping Yoo on, why should any of the rest of us?
Tenure requires a procedure, whether it’s a legal term or not. I’m just repeating what the “experts” on the panel (one of whom was Phillippe Sands, the well known anti-torture guy) said the procedure was. Sands was actually the one who was most in favor of not dismissing Yoo without procedures. (That’s for you Hugh, as Sands is a Brit and does not benefit from U.S. tenure system.)
Ward Churchill’s lawsuit against CU continues.
The press could not have been aware of the opinions, they were just released yesterday.
Well, in Boalt’s defense, Yoo had tenure before he joined the Bush Administration, became a war criminal, and showed his incompetence for all the world to see.
Rather like Condi Rice as Provost of Stanford.
(delurk) Awesome! (relurk)
Who wants their children to be taught in law school by Yoo. All Republicons drink from the font of a polynidal cyst.
Ding! The same holds true for any school that hires one of bushie’s boys.
Rephrase. Boalt wasn’t a quack law school, but in a time when schools are competing for students (b/c many are deferring education this year since they can’t get student loans and their folks just saw their college funds disappear) they must be worried that they will not conitnue to get top tier applicants.
If you are a straight A student with High LSATs and have tution cash in hand and you can therefore pick and choose between top law schools–are you going to wan to go to the home of Yoo?
He is screwing up Boalt’s brand
“Ipso facto, Boalt is not a reputable law school.”
That made me laugh, though I’m sure that wasn’t your intent.
You are right, if you do stupid or evil things, eventually people are going to call you stupid or eveil.
I think, though, he was on leave to the Bush admin, and so they pretty much had to take him back contractually, if he wanted to return.
Not absolutely certain of that–haven’t checked, just my recollection.
“He taught Constitutional Law there. How obscene is that?”
Obscene. Absolutely. Appalled me when I read it. Although, it would be interesting to know if what he taught in the classroom was “traditional” principles of separation of powers and executive power.
Boalt certainly could dismiss even a tenured professor, but without following procedures and having good reasons set forth, doing so generally invites a lawsuit. Recently a local professor won one (grounds not relevant here at all, not a law professor), in fact.
i think that depending on the school, it may refer to the terms of an employment contract.
lhp – I sure hope they see it that way.
tweety’s got delay on again…..*click*
yeah, but Boalt din’t make Yoo resign to take the OLC gig. They gave him a leave of abscence which meant he could force his way back in.
IIRC, COndi actually reisgned her prior job to go to work for Bush, forfeiting her tenure.
Like wise Chertoff who had a lifetime appointmnet as a federal judge resigned that to become Homeland Secuirty. He lost his lifetime tenure.
Bolat’s mistake was not makign Yoo resign to go to DOJ
Yeah, I understand that the memos were just released…but think about how utterly uninquisitive the press was for 8 years, especially in light of finding out that reporters were specifically targeted for warrantless wiretaps.
if the charges are false then he can challenge, if the charges are true his challenge should fail
I wouldn’t mind one bit if yoo challenged his firing for professional malfeasance and sociopathy
churchill welcomes the exposure, yoo would wallow in it and we would all be the better for the education
Yoo Fascist Yoo.
-G
Going back to Peterr’s theory:
If peterr is correct, it would mean that Yoo and Addington conspired to set up memebrs of the Admin. like grifter’s “marks”.
Think about that for a minute. It’s kinda breathtaking
I believe there are ample grounds for dismissal given his universities tenets of tenure
Back in the day when I had some connection with Harvard, the rule of thumb was that a 2 year period of leave would be granted to tenured profs to work for govt. Most returned after that time. Think Yoo was at Justice about that long.
OT , sorry, but does anyone know why george mcgovern is so fiercely opposed to EFCA?
do you have a linky?
personally, i’d like to see him in jail. only after a fair trial though. *g*
Senility.
I agree that Yoo can not be dismissed without due process, but administrators at Boalt aren’t doing this to defend academic freedom but to avoid dealing with a situation which in a lot of ways they created. For example,
1. How in hell did they ever hire this guy? How lame is their search process? How politicized was it?
2. How in hell did they ever give this guy tenure? IANAL and even I can tell that the quality of his work product is shit. My opinion of Justice Roberts is low. I find the arguments in his opinions weak and contorted in order to fit a preconceived determination, but at least he can write a legal opinion that looks like a legal opinion. With Yoo form follows substance in that they are both crap.
3. How in hell did Boalt ever let him come back and teach? One more war criminal, who will notice?
4. As these memos dribble out, they can’t hide anymore what an awful choice they have made, or what their part was in making it, and confirming it over and over. And we shouldn’t let them.
When I lived in OR one of the board of directors for Sunflower House, a crisis intervention center, was a PhD with tenure at Oregon State. He was concerned because the school was making noises about his tenure status because he hadn’t published anything. Seems tenure comes with conditions.
Re the OLC shenanigans, i offer the reminder of this quote from Bush, spoken in Austin TX on Nov 22, 2000:
“The Legislature’s job is to write law. It’s the executive branch’s job to interpret the law.”
i kid you not.
Here’s his op-ed.
thanks, that what it sounded like to me too.
Condi gave up her position as Provost but according to wiki she’s back as a Poli Sci professor and “Senior Fellow” at Heritage as of 3/1/09.
I just went to find one but it would take some time, I believe someone posted grounds for removal from tenure at his university and those grounds were pretty objective and made it simple for the university to remove anyone
but I can’t find the link
Unions were not supporters of McGovern back in the day and I think he carries a grudge.
Absolutely.
I posted on Yoo and the tenure process at Boalt last April, and I noted the kinds of things that can get a tenured professor removed:
As noted in the links of that post, we already had evidence of problems with things like selective citations and misrepresenting the contents of citations.
Here, though, we have yet another version of “the law is what the president says it is” which goes against so much of the established precedent.
BTW, there’s no mention of Youngstown in this memo either.
Oh, shit, I can just imagine the kind of drivel she’ll be writing for Heritage. The place is a welfare haven for disgraceful uberreichwingnuts.
When there are no grounds, courts will throw out cases
A little info from Chapman’s website
Yoo’s problem is simple.
He worked for the wrong administration, that’s all.
He was well-suited to Bush, but he should’ve worked in Berlin 1933-45.
“Heritage. The place is a welfare haven for disgraceful uberreichwingnuts.”
The image of Condi with big hair, the ultimate welfare queen gliding around DC in a 71 caddy with the top down waving at the huddled masses… now there’s justice for ya.
Worrying about Yoo’s tenure seems a little trivial. Focusing on how to limit the harm caused, and assuring that the public understands and repudiates his opinions, seem more worthwhile.
Here’s Yoo’s C.V. for anyone who wants to analysis whether Boalt should have hired him & given him tenure.
i would love to know who was on his tenure committee.
If Obama wants to make clear to the world the change of policy, change of direction, and change in leadership that he and his administration stand for, he would do well to dig through the papers of the previous administration. If, as I suspect, this OLC opinion was used to undermine the Geneva conventions — quietly and under the radar — revealing them and repudiating them would bolster the world’s opinion of the US tremendously.
from what i’ve heard (and none of this is personal experience – just second or third hand) it varies quite a bit from school to school and even within a school. for example, there are situations where tenured faculty are expected to fund most of their own salaries (via research grants) unless they have a chair or an administrative position (dept chair or the like). is it more uniform for law schools? i don’t know. that’s why i’d want to know specifically what boalt’s rules are.
unless of course those grounds are debateable
I don’t see coleman being thrown out of court
well now, that is indeed my question.
got it
peterr did a thingy on it, excellant too
Did you realize how racist that came across before you pushed “submit comment”?
Not that I am one to talk, I type stuff allthe time that I wish I could take back.
hey peterr, we’re discussing grounds for yoo’s dismissal and you did an excellant piece
Kinda hard to limit harm that’s already occurred. Now that Shrub’s Executive Orders have been pretty much dealt with I don’t see any further harm coming from them. Yoo et al took it upon themselves to undermine the very fabric of our country in an attempt to turn it into a sham democracy ruled, not governed, by a select few individuals. I wouldn’t stand him up against a wall but I’d make sure he was never a free man again.
I’m not really disagreeing with anyone here. I just can see the folks at Boalt hiring Yoo on the strength of his résumé and thinking about things like political balance. Well, this is the downside to that.
BTW you can see Dean Edley’s response to the controversy here:
http://www.law.berkeley.edu/ne…..41008.html
Yoo was hired in 1993 and got tenure in 1999.
The crux of Edley’s intellectual defense is this:
But legally he makes a very restricted case, citing only this as reasons for dismissal:
I think this is not the only ground which would justify dismissal but this is the argumen that Edley is making.
thanks. good enough for me. let the investigations begin.
but seriously, can there be fair trials too? with lots of jail time involved?
Lots of people have called for Yoo to be fired. Google it. Here’s one from National Lawyers Guild, whoever they are.
Thanks.
If any Boalt alums are lurking and want to pass a link along to the Dean, that would be fine with me.
some say the world is 6000 years old. others disagree.
i’d be ok with balance in the case of the religion dept. but not archeology, anthropology or any of the biological sciences.
if a law school thinks they need balance wrt the war criminals and not war criminals, then that law school should be shunned as not serious about the law.
ianal, but that’s my 2 cents.
Check out Oxdown.
That one’s easy. They are a very left group of lawyers with a long history, dating to the Great Depression.
Here’s their statement of purpose:
They have chapters at most if not all law schools. In the 50’s and 60’s they were often described as a “communist front group.”
Wouldn’t be surprised if a number of FDL regulars were or had been members. Individually, NLG members usually are dedicated lawyers who work long hard hours for lots less money than is considered usual for attorneys.
http://www.nlg.org
Hmmm, npr/ATC reporting on the Yoo memos right now.
Ah, the left’s answer to the Federalist Society.
It’s not that I disagree as much as it just seems like losing a teaching job is way insufficient.
looseheadprop upstairs
I couldn’t agree more.
thanks
In a way, yes. There is another, more recent group that’s a better parallel, The American Constitution Society.
I believe Christy may be a member of ACS.
yikes.
center for constitutional rights was formed by nlg lawyers. they are the lawyers who organize legal observers and people’s defense for protests all over the country.
their mission statement:
the first three paragraphs from their history statement:
i think very highly of the work they do (and have volunteered with them)
Saw Peterr’s old post and it says much better what I was trying to say in my #67. Edley, confronted with the Yoo controversy, basically punted. His response his consumate weaselry. Somehow Edley didn’t find Yoo’s advocacy of torture to be an ethical matter, instead he calls them “bad ideas”. See all better now.
bad ideas? well at least he didn’t call them policy differences.
That should read
3) The President may delegate any required authority to the Vice President as needed.
it is was insufficient, as far as bringing yoo to the bar of justice
but it is a step in making certain none of his memos carry the weight of presidential reference
his legal opinions must be rendered moot, they can not be “up for interpritation”, they must be considered less valuable then used toilet paper
See my original comment at -55-
I’m more interested in burying the opinions that he whored himself to offer, than in focusing on his teaching job.
I hope that a more public forum than some tenure hearing is the venue.
IANAL but it seems to me that once a treaty is ratified by the Senate and signed by the President it becomes law. According to the Constitution, treaties are Federal laws… “laws of the land”.
The president cannot a) suspend a law, b) amend a law, c) disobey the law, d) ignore a law, or e) “withdraw” from following a law. He has to go back to Congress to do any of that…unless it’s specifically laid out in the approved treaty under what conditions revocation or suspension of provisions can occur.
These are one more of an avalanche of UnConstitutional activities suggested by Yoo. Didn’t Yoo take an oath to serve the country and protect the Constitution? Or did he also think he swore an oath to the President?
Yoo received tenure in 1998…after only three years in residency at UC Berkeley. He was there 1 year in the early 1990’s…then retrurned to Washington after that to serve as Justice Thomas’
lackeyclerk. As we know Thomas has written some of the foremost decisions of our time ;-)Then, instead of returning to Boalt, he took on a position in the Senate Judiciary Committee as Orrin Hatch’s advisor. He returned to Cal in Fall 1996 and the next year obtained tenure. Usually Professors take 5-7 years of active teaching and research in residency to earn tenure. Yoo got “fast-tracked” by someone…violating all standards. In addition, Yoo left in 2001 again…back to Washington in Ashcrofts DOJ. Upon leaving his duties he chose to extend his leave of absence to travel the world, teaching at the University of Chicago, the Frei Universitat in Amsterdam, and in Italy…for two more years.
Now he’s getting yet another leave of absence to teach at Chapman? Usually the deal is one sabattical every ten years…and that’s a year off. Yoo’s been “riding” his Berkeley appointment and status to the point of abuse. It’s discrediting the University, and creating standards that place them in a position in which other faculty can insist on obtaining privileges that would make the system inoperative.
Perhaps the information did not come from the press, but from someone (perhaps and ex-Cal grad) within the Obama Administration (or even the Bush DOJ).
When I was at Cal in the early-mid 1970’s Boalt was a mixture of those who had the idea that they were going to be high-priced corporate lawyers in the Gordon Gecko mold…to some folks who were genuinely interested in advancing the civil rights of people who were generally unable to obtain legal advice. I lived (and was an RA) in the Unit 1 dorms and the law students who had their own dorm would take food service in ours. You got to meet them in all their variety and splendor. Mind you, these were predominantly male Graduate students immersed in a situation where there were a lot of naive Freshman and Sophomore women. We also had the pleasure of housing the first-year and transfer football players.
It’s been a real mix of graduates out of Boalt, so don’t get the idea that it reflected the greater campus. Some of the notorious conservatives include:
Dean Rusk, 1940 – United States Secretary of State, 1961-1969; Edwin Meese III, 1958 – U.S. Attorney General; Pete Wilson, 1962 – U.S. Senator, Governor of California; Theodore Olson, 1965 – U.S. Solicitor General, 2001-2004
I have always suspected that Yoo may have been hired as a “replacement” for Phillip E. Johnson (who retired in 2000) – Creationist founder of the “intelligent design wedge agenda” who also was teaching labor law (from a business perspective…i.e. how to foil those evil Unions).
Rightwingers clearly hate treaties of all kind (Kyoto, Panama Canal…they’re probably not to crazy about Appomatox).
In any case, it will be all be set right…or more right as we get to work on restoring law and stuff.