Playboy.com had a fascinating article on the whole Chicago Tea Party scam. It’s gone now for reasons unknown, but you can still find it here. As the authors point out, Santelli’s CNBC rant sounded just a little too well thought-out to be a pure lizard-brain outburst:
The government is promoting bad behavior! Do we really want to subsidize the losers’ mortgages?! This is America! We’re thinking of having a Chicago tea party in July, all you capitalists who want to come down to Lake Michigan, I’m gonna start organizing.
And boom, just like that, there’s Malkin and Heritage and Instacracker and every network hack spontaneously promoting these Tea Parties. Which turned out to be absolutely pathetic, especially given the money and the marketing muscle behind them. Evidently nobody trusts the people who cheered George Bush’s unparalleled raid of the taxpayer trough to be leaders of a "fiscal responsibility" movement. Go figure.
Anyway, my personal alarm bells went off when I got an email from a guy named Jared McKinney with a gmail address:
Dear Firedoglake editors:
I thought you may be interested in a new site opposing the government bailouts: Right.org. Our purpose is simple; to oppose the $8 trillion in bailout guarantees our government has given to failed companies (on average, more than $60,000 per family in America). We are a non-partisan group of individuals who have banded together to raise public awareness of the bailouts (not the recent stimulus package, that is something different entirely).
Would you be willing to consider linking up the site, or do a short post on it? In addition to keeping the public attention on the bailouts, we also promoting a petition that will be sent to Congress . The site also has a personal bailout calculator so the public can figure out just how much it is costing them. Additionally, we are personally sponsoring a $27,000 video submission contest–the author of the best video submitted wins his/her own personal bailout.
I’m thinking, this thing totally stinks. I’m a liberal, so of course the "stimulus bill" is okey-dokey. A $27,000 video contest? Who’s got that kind of money right now? Any organization that does is going to want to take credit for it. The site is super slick, nobody lands a coveted url like "right.org" without some juice, and it’s up in a heartbeat.
So, I look at the "about us" page:
Right.org is a grassroots online community created by a few friends who were outraged by the bailouts. So we gathered some talent and money and built this site. Please tell your friends, and if you have suggestions for improving it, please let us know.
Respectfully,
Evan and Duncan
Evan and Duncan? That’s it?
Since we’re email pals I decide ask my good friend Jared, WTF? Who’s financing this operation, and what are your plans? Jared responds:
Sure, Ms. Hamsher.
Evan Baehr is the founder and director of our efforts. There are a couple more of us who help with the site when we can. Company Fifty Two did our website design and their responsible for our technology. The site is be financed by various people who realize that the bailouts are really bad ideas. There is not some big political machine behind us–we’re a group of individuals working together to do what we believe is right. Our email list will be used to keep folks updated regarding the bailouts. We do not sell emails or spam.
It’s been a long time since anyone thought my last gig was the turnip truck, so now I’m amused. I look through teh Google for Evan Baehr, and there ain’t much, but what do I find? TBogg and World O’Crap! Oh, lordy, he’s a yellow elephant of the Virgin Ben variety.
So, I go back to my good friend Jared:
That’s still quite vague, people think bailouts are a bad idea for a variety of reasons across the political spectrum. How do the people who financed the effort hope to make their money back? Are you organized as a PAC, a 527, a C(4), or a for-profit? Do you intend to pursue a political agenda, advocate for policy or support candidates?
It takes him a couple of days, but he finally gets back to me:
My apologies in the delay. Here’s some more information for you. I took some time and tried to get you some more precise answers. Please let me know if this is helpful:
Who’s behind Right.org? + What’s the purpose of the site?
Right.org is grassroots: it grew out of conversations on an e-mail list of friends who work in journalism, finance, law, and the non-profit sector. As the bailouts began in earnest last fall, two things dismayed us: first, how non-transparent they were; and second, how they contravened common sense and what we think of as sound economics.
Some guy who doesn’t want to put his last name on a website is preaching about transparency? Not helpful, Jared.
He extolls a bit more about the philosophy behind the effort, and concludes:
What kind of entity is Right.org?
Right.org both a 501(c)(4) advocacy organization as well as a 501(c)3 research organization. The work of Right.org includes both issue advocacy as well as research.
After I get this email, the Playboy thing hits. And funny enough, I’m not the only one who smells well-funded, right-wing, astroturf campaign:
FreedomWorks, along with scores of shady front organizations which don’t have to disclose their sponsors thanks to their 501 (c)(3) status, has been at the heart of today’s supposed grassroots, nonpartisan “tea party” protests across the country, supposedly fueled by scores of websites which masquerade as amateur/spontaneous projects, but are suspiciously well-crafted and surprisingly well-written. One slick site pushing the tea parties, Right.org claims, “Right.org is a grassroots online community created by a few friends who were outraged by the bailouts. So we gathered some talent and money and built this site. Please tell your friends, and if you have suggestions for improving it, please let us know. Respectfully, Evan and Duncan.” But funny enough, these regular guys are offering a $27,000 prize for an “anti-bailout video competition.” Who are Evan and Duncan? Do they even really exist?
Good question. So I figure, Jared has to have some official response to this, right? I can’t be the only one who is asking. . .
Any comment on the Playboy piece? I gotta tell ya, the minute I saw the site, it’s exactly what I thought — and the vague answers about who’s behind it only reinforce those suspicions. If that’s wrong, some specifics would be helpful.
Jared responds:
Yeah, I definitely see where you’re coming from. Did I get you all the information you are looking for?
Jared, Jared. This just doesn’t cut it. I decide to give him one more try:
I have several questions it would be great if you could answer.
1) Who is funding the C3 C4?
2) Why is a well-funded organization using gmail?
3) What kind of coordination with other organizations was involved in the tea party movement, and what was the timing?
That was two days ago. The site’s still up, but Jared has disappeared. And so has the Playboy piece.
It actually says more about the people who would organize on a site like this than anything it does about the funders. I mean, can you imagine nodding like a giant bobblehead and giving your personal information over to some group of folks with a lot of money who refuse to identify themselves in any meaningful way? They just start offering up big cash and collecting emails, and nobody thinks anything of it? And everyone involved in this thing acts like this is perfectly normal, everybody is linking to it and just assuming they have good intentions.
Are they all just really. . . limited? Or is the idea of true grassroots movement so deeply frightening that they find comfort in a little wink-wink, nudge-nudge from something so weird and Big Brother-ish? Do they just need Daddy’s approval before they can give themselves permission to go to the park, all 250 of them, waving signs with a tragic lack of self-awareness and saying a bunch of really stupid shit?
I do not know if this online activism thing is ever going to gel for people whose impulse to kowtow to authority is outstripped only by a congenital lack of curiosity. But they’ll no doubt be coming into those Nigerian inheritances soon, so it won’t really matter.



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Grassroots and the right are allergic to each other, authoritarian as they are. Thanks for tracking this down (so to speak), Jane.
Surely you looked into Jared his ownself?
since this is organized by repuglitards, we can be sure that this is only the tip of the incompetence iceburg
if this works as well as the apst few “Brilliant” ideas the repuglitards have had, we should see about a dozen House seats and a few Senate Seats turn Democratic due to “Jared’s” efforts
disaster accomplished
… so this turnip truck drives up, and this nice guy gives a friendly wave.
i waive backoff. heh.
Excellent work, Jane!
please, oh please invite him over to guest post . . .ya wanna be neighborly doncha ?
Sam the Sham and his Spare ‘hos are the same deal. Highly coordinated. Big, big money behind these operations. BigMedia of course plays along dutifully in order to lend “credibility” to these shams like plumber’s assistant (beginning to wonder if part was even true) Samuel Wurlitzer.
Wonder what Gannon/Guckert’s been doing recently?
Jane, hadn’t you heard?
The Tea Parties are viral.
jane–
a possible candidate for evan baehr-this is from 2007, could be this new venture is how he chose to use his new degree–
Mr. Baehr, 24, is a second-year student at Yale Divinity School, where he is studying for a master’s degree in Christian ethics. He served as a legislative aide for Representative Frank R. Wolf, Republican of Virginia, in 2005 and 2006.
could be lots of evan baehrs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08…..f=weddings
and the alabama gop site is pushing the project, too. could just be ‘like minds’. i doubt it. no way they would endorse it without knowing who it is.
http://www.algop.org/aggregator/categories/2
As I’ve said before, it’s the “let them eat cake” social movement. Too bad it’s never been very successful to have the elite pretend to be the downtrodden. Maybe this is a sign of how afraid the controlling class is of the growing populist disaffection, they’re trying to engineer their own faux uprising to bolster their wealthy separation from humanity.
If it looks and smells like a GOPile of shit well…tanx but no tanx.
from your link:
typo–meant to say, could be lots of evan baehrs, could be this one.
Jane ! Can you puleeze guest host for JoeScar sometime soon ?
I’m sure Mika’s Dad would prefer you over that twit any day. Lord knows we would …
Bernanke is very angry at AIG, but they had no choice. Won’t reveal who’s being bailed out via AIG.
Master’s degree in “Christian Ethics?”
Perhaps, he needs an explanation of the meaning of ethics, Christian or otherwise!
here’s the irony;
the original boston tea party was a revolt against the king LOWERING taxes not a revolt against the king raising taxes.
the east india import company, a big contributer to king george could not compete against the colonies industry unless the king removed tarriffs
the king obliged, the colonies went balistic and a new nation was born
once again
the tea party was a revolt against LOWERING taxes
Creepy shit. Thanks for tearing off the veil.
Judd Gregg all waorried about financial tsunami of retirement of boomers. Of course, he doesn’t recognize that we could all be drowned long before then.
bernanke had no choice? i don’t believe him – bernanke owes us a real explanation if we wants us to think he’s not lying.
I hope it’s not that Subway™ dude, Jared … haven’t seen him in a while.
You can’t just get a 501(c)3 or (C)4 like you pick up a voter registration form at the post office. It takes months before your app is processed and months more before you hear. Not a spontaneous kinda thing.
I love the smell of astroturf in the morning. Smells like…1933 Nuremberg. With G-Mail.
He talks on all side of his face. I was thinking as he was talking, what authority he had to bail out AIG. Later on he sez, “we really have no mechanism for rescuing a multinational financial conglomerate.” No mechanism means no authority.
I love it.
“Here’s some rope . . . and some more rope . . . and a little more rope . . .”
Got enough yet, Jared?
Nicely played, Jane!
Bernanke is just so full of it. He is willing to give whatever it takes for AIG. I still don’t understand why this support of naked CDSs is going on.
Bunning pointing out that the government effectively owns AIG. So what Bernanke was saying about how they don’t have regulatory authority is hooey. They own the thing.
Bunning asks why do you keep rewarding failure by choosing the rating agencies that have been wrong in the past.
fair trials!
apparently aig wrote a bunch of naked cdss and the taxpayer is being used to bail out the counter parties.
Beranke: Fed wants to avoid losses so uses the crap ratings of the ratings agencies. And this scans how?
Yup.
Hey Evan, Duncan and Jared:
I was born at night…but it wasn’t last night.
And Bernanke won’t tell who they are. I think it must be some sore of crime to refuse to reveal how taxpayers money is being spent.
ok, I’m puzzled by the disappearance of the Playboy article . . .
Playboy has recently made their entire archive available for purchase link by link on their homepage. (there was an ad for this service when I did my Oxdown on this on Sunday) and like Mr Flynt they have always been a consistently strong and vocal proponent of a free press – what the hell ?
Are they responsible for your spelling too?
The Alabama GOP digs right.org.
http://www.algop.org/aggregator/categories/2
Alabam fer Chrissake!
The stimulus is a whole ‘nother matter, Jared? Evan doesn’t really seem to think so:
“Economists and Treasury Secretaries have deceived the American public—so we’re taking the facts straight to the taxpayer,” says Right.org founder Evan Baehr. “The passage of the new ’stimulus’ package makes it clear that Washington isn’t listening, so Right.org is asking Americans to turn up the volume.”
OK, I’ve had as much of Bernanke as I can stomach this morning. BBL
Listening to Bernanke, I can’t help thinking how limited he is intellectually and how all of these BS measures he is talking about are really an explanation about how we are going to fall into depression, not get out of it.
He should be educating these guys about what needs to be done, instead it’s a two sided dumb-a-thon.
OT. Coleman posse has rested its case. Up next: Franken. Coleman’s lawyer(s) are inkling there needs to be a do-over election. {{{hair on fire}}}
some links for anyone who wants to listen to bernanke’s testimony before the senate budget committee:
committee webstream (flash video stream)
cspan-3 (realplayer video stream)
cspan radio (audio only)
cspan room link (audio only)
nah. it’s the new “transparency”
Last week I telephoned my local newspaper, The Meadville Tribune, to ask them to investigate one of the many mysteries of the Bush Administration — Jeff Gannon. I told a reporter that I was confident Jeff Gannon was raised in our County and that his family still lives here. Not a word printed yet. They must be too busy making plans for reorganization.
Bernanke: I don’t know of any zombies among our large financial institution.
Stupidity or complicity? You decide.
that’s what makes me suspect a massive cover up. he’s trying to obscure, obfuscate and confuse – not educate or even inform.
Agree that the 501c3 approval can take months. However, the time period can be terrificly compressed. For example, if a law firm handling the arrangements is particularly adept at “pushing the process”, it’s not nearly as onerous as most of us believe.
I am concerned about the evolving uses of 501c3s. It seems this provision of the tax code has been coopted as cover for partisan groups.
And College Republicans are thriving even on elite campuses. “We’ve doubled in size over the last few years, to more than 400 students,” reports Evan Baehr, the square-jawed future pol heading the Princeton chapter.
http://www.city-journal.org/ht…..tives.html
Square-jawed?
orszag at 10 and geithner at 11. gonna be a long day.
ooh sanders up and he wants to know where the money is going.
If there are no zombies, we should not be giving any money to any bank. If they are financially viable, then they don’t need the money. Problem solved!
OT but needed comedy bit to take the edge of … Jindal calls Limballs a great leader … -TPM
Lesse, two brown guys brownnosing the white dood in charge … the more things change …
sanders now asking about the history of deregulation. why didn’t bernanke raise the alarm?
Isn’t the major problem at AIG its CDS portfolio. How is this intertwined globally? What would be the impact of letting AIG go belly up? While I am not privy to the details I can envision catastrophe. One of the divisions that dealt in the CDSs is working to purchase all of the crap and undo but all of the AIG divisions are also intertwined including insurance. Oh what a tangled web we weave ……….
So, this must have been the “big” shiny techie thing the GOP was so proud to mention was coming and how big and great it would be?
We, a “wannabelook’ngrassroots” but were not, we’re the GOP con. (Please sing to the “It’s not butter, it’s Chiffon,” ad jingle.)
So much for transparency as to who owns the web-site. Domain ID:D102597536-LROR
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bernanke – the fed only lends to healthy institutions.
Sanders is demanding to know why we can’t know the name of the banks the Fed has lent $2.2 trillion to. Bernanke says that woldn’t be productive.
So Bernanke continues to cover for the non-zombie zombies.
Bernanke: contiues to support the repeal of Glass-Steagall.
This is like a textbook of how we got into this mess, denial, complicity, stupidity, and it still is there, and Bernanke personifies this.
“… a massive cover up.”
With amnesty, and ‘retention awards’ for ALL
the fraudsters, big and small …
Binging to mind that word Jane used … “suckers”.
Dare we wonder (however audaciously) to whom the term applies?
;~D
and your apostate Governor positions himself at the front of the kiss Rush’s ass line
Evan Bahr:
Mr. Baehr, 24, is a second-year student at Yale Divinity School, where he is studying for a master’s degree in Christian ethics. He served as a legislative aide for Representative Frank R. Wolf, Republican of Virginia, in 2005 and 2006.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08…..f=weddings
Santelli’s now denying he was involved:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29471026
Since there are no zombie banks in this country, all banks are by definition healthy, and in fact they are so healthy that he can’t name them or they would collapse. Transparency is great, isn’t it?
Perhaps he’s been summoned to appear before the Great and Powerful Limpy to grovel and beg for forgiveness.
I want someone to ask Bernanke about how many naked CDSs has paid out on and what is the value of its portfolio of naked CDSs.
Bernake is evidence that too many bushies remain in government.
Whitehouse bringing up the pseudo-controversy of $60 trillion in “unfunded” liabilities. Whitehouse has his moments but he is a dope on economics.
whitehouse says we need better information systems to control medical costs.
just fucking shoot me now.
These guys have totally f*cked up the current economy and they are talking about how to fix budget shortfalls 30-40 years out? Anyone see a disconnect here?
I know, Whitehouse is lame, lame, lame.
father-in-law of the evan baehr that i linked a #8
is founder of the bible literacy project…remember them? his mom is on the board along with few other pirhanas.
http://michaelturton2.blogspot…..eally.html
here is the google page for the bible literacy projet. too much to link.
http://www.google.com/search?q…..=firefox-a
here is the goog with ‘wiki’
http://www.google.com/search?q…..=firefox-a
I think that’s Republican-speak for “he doesn’t have teh gay.”
Whitehouse putting the onus on Bernanke: If you blow this, then the public goodwill will not be there to solve healthcare, and global warming.
Hello, Whitehouse, don’t you have responsibility to get these things right? Sure Bernanke has responsibility but so do you.
no one, of course mentions the only thing that might actually work to significantly control health care costs.
from democracy now on feb 25:
my bold
So, when do find out Dobson stepped down from FOF to oversee this national Tea Party Movement?
Minnesota’s apostate governor. Not mine. I disown him. You see, the MN Dems (in our infinite wisdom) endorsed a man who is such a hotheaded blowhard that (not for the first time) he shot himself in the gonads the week before the election vs. Pawlenty, thereby ceding it to him. It’ll be interesting to see whether the Timster presses on with his White House bid.
I wonder why the Republics are lead by doe boys like Rover and Limpy?
If the economy doesn’t recover, the state of Social Security come 2050 will, quite literally, be the least of our worries.
whitehouse has been saying something along those lines at every recent budget committee hearing i’ve listened to. haven’t heard anyone else say it though.
*g*
Yes, they want to solve healthcare the same way they are fixing the economy. By throwing as much money as possible at private enterprise, and we have seen how well that has turned out with the economy.
The insurance companies still have too much power. Though the doctors have started to break with them — the docs thought that they’d be screwed under single-payer, but are belatedly realizing that they are being screwed much harder under HMOs.
Of course, we do think he’s lying :)
bom dia, pups
my inner prankster can’t quit chuckling over this – I was expecting Crist, Barbour and Pawlenty to commence the cannibalizing proper by early 2011 with Pawlenty coming out relatively unscathed – now, not so much
it is physicians who have been in the lead on single payer. i’m happy to be better informed, but from what i see it is insurance (which is not separate from big finance) and big pharma and their puppets in the D party who are the road blocks.
If Whitehouse is so earnest about fixing these other problems and he sees that we must get our response to the financial crisis right, it might help him if he got a clue.
agree completely. only would add it’s not so much private enterprise, but the very big politically active corporations. small business is getting fucked over too.
blech
Hey! That’s unfair! These guys are “grassroots” all the way. They can’t be expected to afford the luxury amenities…like a spell checker, for example.
it’s so disheartening. he’s probably 1000x time smarter than me, he’s got tremendous resources at his disposal and he can’t even be bothered?
btw – orszag is at house budget committee now (i’ve got a recording going), but i’m sticking with bernanke until geithner is up at 12:30 at house ways & means.
morbid obesity is a sign of success
bom dia wobs.
Bernanke going back to his loan facility saying that all those loaned to had triple A ratings. Bunning questions the value of those ratings. But if Bernanke thinks these are such high quality loans why won’t he say who they are?
Moniker Privacy Services
More on the “transparency” of the whois entry mentioned above.
Media Temple is a web hosting service with offices in California and Ashburn VA (Loudon County VA).
‘cuz he’s lying? just a wild guess.
bunning was pretty good.
gotta step away from the computer for just a sec to make more coffee (dueling addictions here *g*).
Speaking of speaking UP
“I am concerned about the evolving uses of 501c3s. It seems this provision of the tax code has been coopted as cover for partisan groups.”
You have reason to be! People should obtain copies of each State’s AG’s Public charities Listing. It is eyeopener. Another example of corporate abuse of tax exempt status determined and granted by the IRS? Relieving the burdens of government while bankrupting Americans? What a deal for America! Wish we could all insulate ourselves from change by abusing tax exempt status to avoid policies which use tax incentives and disincentives as a means to effect change for the health of the governed/taxpayer/citizen vs. specific status quo corporate interests who desire no change at all. Banks, Energy Corps, Insurance/Health care Corps and the King of England in his imperialistic exploitive relationship with the American colonists?
Whitehouse up and still clueless. He is asking a question about Bush’s running up of the national debt. If he is going to do this, it might help him to get his numbers right. The national debt is 10.9 trillion.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/…..ication=np
Graham up and being an asshole. I’m not being a partisan here, blah, blah, blah.
Graham: uncharted territory. If there was a drinking game going on, that would be a drinkline.
Bernanke: We do not have the tools to nationalize the banks. He’s lying.
thanks.
wyden asking why these counter parties we’re bailing out are so important
bernanke saying he understands our anger and he’s angry too.
another lie.
senate budget committee adjourned.
Bernanke should be in prison. He has got to be the worst Fed chairman in our history.
I have to say that Senate hearing was largely useless. No one pressed Bernanke on much of anything, except for the senile Bunning. How lame is that?
Thank you, cbl2!!!! 31 comments before someone notices the censorship. And I concur, Flynt is no chicken re the First Amendment. What happened?
sanders did a very little bit, but it was imo mostly grandstanding. agree bunning was the best.
we are governed by idiots. or crooks.
back at 12:30 for geithner – am going to try to listen to that one at least a little bit too. the really sad thing is that if these hearings were useful, if our congress and administration were competent, i wouldn’t be listening. i know i could find more useful and interesting things to do. it’s because the failure is so massive and the disinformation so pervasive that i feel compelled to watch.
Oh, most of the docs back it NOW, now that they’ve had nearly two decades of dealing with over a hundred different insurers, each of whom has a unique way of avoiding paying claims. But back in 1993, the medical establishment — most especially the AMA — was virulently opposed to Clinton’s moves towards single-payer. (Remember the “Harry and Louise” ads that were running full blast at the time?) They were hollering about how awful Medicare was and how awful it would be if we had socialized medicine and doctors were forced to make minimum wage like they are in Canada and yadda yadda yadda. (By the way, a nice set of myth-debunkings can be found here.)
Calling this thing the Chicago Tea Party would be like the British East India Company saying:
“The government is promoting bad behavior! Do we really want to subsidize the losers’ smuggling?! This is the British Empire! We’re thinking of having a City of London Tea Party in July, all you capitalists who want to come down to Fleet Street, I’m going to start organizing.”
Yes the Boston tea party were small tea merchants and smugglers who actually OPPOSED the remission of the TEA TAX that favored the Monopolistic East India Company. “Losers” who lacked the capacity to lobby the Parliament, who faced regressive taxes that failed to benefit the poor and middle classes of the Colonies, a government who was bankrupting and marginalizing the colonial States who were tasked with evermore duties while paying taxes to support Foreign wars. They created an separate mail system to avoid having their private correspondence opened by the British. Oh! And they certainly had no aversion to the destruction of a cargo of tea, pepper and other goods from the holds of a monopolists ship.
Santelli represents interests of the wealthiest who have for years “won” lobbying battles to sate their greed and corruption. He’s not for the Middle Class or Poor. Different standards applied to the “losers”. He knows very well that the mortgages were sold without due diligence, if not through brokers making false claims to gullible buyers. And when the buyers attempt to renegotiate the terms in order to stay in a house that they have already placed tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars in payments, they confront people, much like Santelli, who call them “losers”.
Santelli doesn’t realize the REAL Tea Parties are going to be held by groups of people protecting their friends and neighbors from eviction and homelessness. And despite Santelli and his friends Astroturfing (likely planning a bogus Florida fiasco protest again) – the reality is that the battles will be fought block-by-block, home-by-home, in the city councils and State legislatures. Santelli’s repo-man tactics will be opposed. That’s why the fear groups like ACORN.
Here’s what I don’t understand: what is the possible good of trying to punish people for taking out loans that they couldn’t possibly afford (which is a matter of debate in and of itself,) when the punishment causes the lenders to acquire a property thru foreclosure that is now worth up to 40% or 50% less than the balance of the original loan. In addition, the lender cannot get the asset off his books once it’s acquired until he spends thousands more in maintenance, management, taxes and insurance, not to mention legal and/or brokerage fees on an ultimate sale. What is so appalling about trying to stop the madness and trying to work out things with the current occupant that will be advantageous to both parties!
Barbara: Notice that the Coleman clowns AREN’T saying that crap in a courtroom, in front of a judge. (In fact, the whole reason Ben Ginsberg, one of the Swift Boat and 2000 Florida recount thugs brought to take over from the local talent in the spin department, now wants to pull his pro hac vice motion — his request that he, as an out-of-town lawyer, be allowed to represent Coleman in a Minnesota court — is precisely so he can continue saying bullshit in press conferences. Notice that the guys who speak for Coleman in court are almost never caught at a microphone outside of it? Now you know why.)
I was curious about the Domain name so I did a quick check and ended up at this site. It appears that the name “right.org” was bought for $20,000.00 in December 2008.
So, what this adds to the discussion…. Who knows, but if true, this little “grass root” organization is spending serious cash to publicize it.
Am I the only one who thinks that anyone who would spend serious money (without propect of impact) to attack government use of serious money without prospect of impact is not going to pass the smell test?
The site is super slick, nobody lands a coveted url like “right.org” without some juice, and it’s up in a heartbeat.
the bible literacy project has 37 domains-check out the dates…if i had 92 dollars to blow, i would for you.
http://www.domaintools.com/reg…..ct%2C+Inc.
check out the dates for these, too.
http://domain-history.domainto…..nsmessages
Thank you.
Agree.
That Whitehouse is lame, not about shooting you.
Thank you
Thank you Skilly.
Jane, great job of shredding Jared’s lies. As always, thanks.
Jane- You’re friend Jared appears to be part of an Oregonian group called the Conservative Majority Project. His goal is in internet relations and fundraising. Seems that they think it’s better to reach out using “conservative” frames rather than overtly claim to be “Republican”…since the brand is tarnished.
It may be that this was an effort to get money, and mailing lists, from people to support their group.
Santelli:
Hmm! But that wasn’t the question. The question was whether or not he was involved with websites or tea-party movements organized BEFORE his comments!
blockquote>By the way of background, I am not and never have been a stockbroker. Not that there is anything wrong with being a stockbroker… I am currently an on air editor with CNBC. Prior to my 10 years in this capacity I was a member in good standing on both the Chicago Futures Exchanges. My career in the futures industry spanned 20 years.
So not a STOCK broker…he was a FUTURES broker….now we understand! We wouldn’t want to dare taint Santelli with those “members in good standing” of the NYSE like Bernie Madoff, would we!
Maybe he could pick one up, prices are plummeting I’ve heard, as a result of some shady doings by mortgage lenders.
I’m waiting for the media coverage of the fat, white men carrying signs…..you know, the “self-made men”.
I wonder if they’ll get as much TEEVEE time as the illegal immigrants marches which were supposed to throw every body into the streets and start a civil war?
I, for one, am going to rush right over to right and give them everything I own to stop these “loser” homeowners from keeping their homes. Nothing like attacking the helpless to make MY day!
This sorta reminds me of Reagan throwing all the mentally ill on the streets and everybody wondering why there were suddenly so many homeless.
And the beat goes on…………..
Interesting that this host server “Moniker Privacy Services” in Pamplano Beach, Florida has been associated with convicted spammers, extreme porn sites, and a number of sites that make fraudulent withdrawals from peoples Credit Card and Checking Accounts.
Just do a search.
I put in “20 SW 27th Ave.” and came up with a ton of complaints, strange and bizarre sites it supports, etc.
Smarter than you? I doubt it. More resources, most likely.
You have to consider something about democracy. Most people are average. Most people vote for people they can relate to. Most average people can relate to other average people. Most people vote for average people.
Elected representatives, by way of the process, are almost assuredly not the best and brightest.
Anyone interested in reading the Playboy article by Mark Ames (of Exile fame in Moscow during the 90s with his then partner, Matt Taibbi) drop me an email at mcarmody1 at hvc dot rr dot com. I copied the piece as a draft.
thanks
evan’s running for council page
http://evanbaehr.com/baehr-about.htm
rob kremer’s page, jared’s partner in conservative majority group.from one year ago, laying out his netwoots fund-raising and ‘conservative’ meme.
http://robkremer.blogspot.com/…..oject.html
Awwwww how cute. Jared McKinney went to a pro-life protest:
http://www.teenpact.com/TeenPa….._News.html
We knew a right wing wacko would be behind Santelli, tea parties, and deceiving!
Florida? Ass Limbo lives in Florida. Connection? Don’t know
bone=chilling, part of their curriculum was to pass out christian coalition voter guides. it’s an army of organized hitler youth.check out the classes here for their ‘teenpact’ on judicial and challenge. one held at liberty to recruit new lawyers, the other at ft. benning to recruit new soldiers/law enforcement/leaders of ’strong men’.
http://www.teenpact.com/index.php?page=alumni
meant to say, bone-chilling group of innocents.