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	<title>Comments on: Why Does Ellen Tauscher Value Banks Over Constituents?  Ask Adam Pase&#8230;.</title>
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		<title>By: OrindaDem</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/28/why-does-ellen-tauscher-value-banks-over-constituents-ask-adam-pase/#comment-1845129</link>
		<dc:creator>OrindaDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I live in her district. She never has been primaried. Although there was talk of it the last time around, it never materialized. Although this is a district that has in the past been represented by extreme right wing nut jobs, I think that things have changed a lot and she needs to be run out of town. The district is more Democratic than the one she had when she first defeated a wingnut. She needs to go. I swore I would never support her again when she campaigned for the draconian bankruptcy law. The last two rounds, I have just left the congressional race blank.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in her district. She never has been primaried. Although there was talk of it the last time around, it never materialized. Although this is a district that has in the past been represented by extreme right wing nut jobs, I think that things have changed a lot and she needs to be run out of town. The district is more Democratic than the one she had when she first defeated a wingnut. She needs to go. I swore I would never support her again when she campaigned for the draconian bankruptcy law. The last two rounds, I have just left the congressional race blank.</p>
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		<title>By: Airpower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Airpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rep. Tauscher’s (D-CA-10) phone numbers:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Walnut Creek, CA office:  (925) 932-8899&lt;br /&gt;
Fairfield, CA office:  (707) 428-7792&lt;br /&gt;
Washington DC:  (202) 225-1880&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep. Tauscher’s (D-CA-10) phone numbers:</p>
<p>Walnut Creek, CA office:  (925) 932-8899<br />
Fairfield, CA office:  (707) 428-7792<br />
Washington DC:  (202) 225-1880</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the lack of clarity could all be at my end…. *g*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Banks hold the mortgages on their books at full value.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is the part i &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; is more complicated (with the caveat that i could have it very wrong as i’m just trying to learn about all this stuff now and am very definitely still in student mode) and one of the reasons that there is a lot of doubt that in many cases loan docs may not even still exist. by securitized, i mean weren’t the mortgages pooled, sliced and diced into various types of mortgage backed securities which were sold to pensions funds, SWFs, other banks and all manner of “investors” and even “insured” with CDSs? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here’s a bit from something i got a while ago from RGE (sorry, i don’t have the link handy): Structured Finance Glossary – Making Sense of the Alphabet Soup  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Financial institutions that originate mortgages turn their loans into marketable securities by securitization in order to obtain more funds to make loans. Mortgage-backed securities (MBS) thus represent a claim on the underlying mortgage pool’s principal and interest payments. In order to trade the securities independently of the loan originating institution, MBS/ABS are not issued directly by the sponsoring financial institution. Instead, pools of loans are sold (“true sale”) to a special-purpose vehicle (SPV) –usually a corporation- who then may or may not sell the loan pools to a trust. The trust or SPV  repackages the loans as interest-bearing MBS/ABS and actually issues them. The use of an SPV or MBS issuing trust is necessary to achieve “bankruptcy remoteness”, insulating the trust from the sponsor. It also enables MBS to receive their own credit rating independently of that of the sponsor. The MBS then are sold to investors by the investment banks that underwrite them. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the lack of clarity could all be at my end…. *g*</p>
<blockquote><p> Banks hold the mortgages on their books at full value.</p>
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<p>this is the part i <em>think</em> is more complicated (with the caveat that i could have it very wrong as i’m just trying to learn about all this stuff now and am very definitely still in student mode) and one of the reasons that there is a lot of doubt that in many cases loan docs may not even still exist. by securitized, i mean weren’t the mortgages pooled, sliced and diced into various types of mortgage backed securities which were sold to pensions funds, SWFs, other banks and all manner of “investors” and even “insured” with CDSs? </p>
<p>here’s a bit from something i got a while ago from RGE (sorry, i don’t have the link handy): Structured Finance Glossary – Making Sense of the Alphabet Soup  </p>
<blockquote><p>Financial institutions that originate mortgages turn their loans into marketable securities by securitization in order to obtain more funds to make loans. Mortgage-backed securities (MBS) thus represent a claim on the underlying mortgage pool’s principal and interest payments. In order to trade the securities independently of the loan originating institution, MBS/ABS are not issued directly by the sponsoring financial institution. Instead, pools of loans are sold (“true sale”) to a special-purpose vehicle (SPV) –usually a corporation- who then may or may not sell the loan pools to a trust. The trust or SPV  repackages the loans as interest-bearing MBS/ABS and actually issues them. The use of an SPV or MBS issuing trust is necessary to achieve “bankruptcy remoteness”, insulating the trust from the sponsor. It also enables MBS to receive their own credit rating independently of that of the sponsor. The MBS then are sold to investors by the investment banks that underwrite them. </p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Apologies for lack of clarity.  Banks hold the mortgages on their books at full value.  If they were forced to value them at market value (which they would if they were adjusted by bankruptcy court) then their true value would be apparent and it would become evident that they’re not worth what they say they’re worth.  If taxpayers take them off their hands at full value, problem solved.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for lack of clarity.  Banks hold the mortgages on their books at full value.  If they were forced to value them at market value (which they would if they were adjusted by bankruptcy court) then their true value would be apparent and it would become evident that they’re not worth what they say they’re worth.  If taxpayers take them off their hands at full value, problem solved.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/28/fdl-book-salon-the-tyranny-of-dead-ideas/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book Salon a couple of flights upstairs&lt;/a&gt; with author Matt Miller and &lt;i&gt;The Tyranny of Dead Ideas&lt;/i&gt; hosted by Christy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/28/fdl-book-salon-the-tyranny-of-dead-ideas/" rel="nofollow">Book Salon a couple of flights upstairs</a> with author Matt Miller and <i>The Tyranny of Dead Ideas</i> hosted by Christy</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i don’t understand either - weren’t the loans securitized? who owns them now? i doubt it’s the mortgage originator.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my guess is that it’s the mortgage servicer who will being doing the cram downs, but how the losses would be taken by the holders of CDOs and other securities based on the mortgages, i don’t know. and i’m not so sure who they are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done - i think it should.  i just have my doubts it’s as simple as described.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don’t understand either &#8211; weren’t the loans securitized? who owns them now? i doubt it’s the mortgage originator.</p>
<p>my guess is that it’s the mortgage servicer who will being doing the cram downs, but how the losses would be taken by the holders of CDOs and other securities based on the mortgages, i don’t know. and i’m not so sure who they are.</p>
<p>doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done &#8211; i think it should.  i just have my doubts it’s as simple as described.</p>
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		<title>By: semiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>semiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your life or your lupins!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read the ‘they’ as referencing the banks. Yes, the ‘antecedent’ could ahve been made clearer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the ‘they’ as referencing the banks. Yes, the ‘antecedent’ could ahve been made clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“New Democrat Coalition” - does that mean that they figure to keep using the name Democrat after the rest of us form our own party (’Progressive’, ‘Liberal’?) out of frustration with those #$%^&amp;*s?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Otherwise, that name is clearly in error, because they aren’t new in any way and they surely aren’t Democrats.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“New Democrat Coalition” &#8211; does that mean that they figure to keep using the name Democrat after the rest of us form our own party (’Progressive’, ‘Liberal’?) out of frustration with those #$%^&amp;*s?</p>
<p>Otherwise, that name is clearly in error, because they aren’t new in any way and they surely aren’t Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Credit Suisse says that this bill would cut the rate of foreclosure by 20% and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayers a dime. Why? Because it would force banks to write down the value of the loans on their books to their true value — which would quickly show that they are probably insolvent. They’re also hoping that the taxpayer will pick up the tab and they’ll be able to escape taking responsibility for their own bad business decisions. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t understand this paragraph at all. The first sentence sez cramdown wouldn’t cost the taxpayers a dime and the very next sentence sez that “they” (banks? what is the antecent?) are hoping the taxpayer will pick up the tab. Will someone please unconfuse me?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Credit Suisse says that this bill would cut the rate of foreclosure by 20% and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayers a dime. Why? Because it would force banks to write down the value of the loans on their books to their true value — which would quickly show that they are probably insolvent. They’re also hoping that the taxpayer will pick up the tab and they’ll be able to escape taking responsibility for their own bad business decisions. </p>
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<p>I don’t understand this paragraph at all. The first sentence sez cramdown wouldn’t cost the taxpayers a dime and the very next sentence sez that “they” (banks? what is the antecent?) are hoping the taxpayer will pick up the tab. Will someone please unconfuse me?</p>
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