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	<title>Comments on: If Cutting Social Security Benefits is Off the Table, Why Won&#8217;t Robert Gibbs Say It?</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/23/if-cutting-social-security-benefits-is-off-the-table-why-wont-robert-gibbs-say-it/#comment-1839041</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Take SS funds away from the ‘general budget’ and the alount of debt soars to where you can’t see it anymore.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sad, isn’t it. Once you entertain the Truth you have to begin dealing with Reality instead of Fantasy and it’s a little harder.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe Obama raised the SS &amp; Medicare/Medicaid commission and it got shot down like a trial balloon when the idea of raising the tax cap was considered. Or, maybe Congressional leaders just told him to wait while they get a zillion other things dealt with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe the economic responsibility group will suggest something to be done a bit later. Who knows, maybe they’ll suggest we get onto a glide path to where the lock box idea can really be instituted.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Take SS funds away from the ‘general budget’ and the alount of debt soars to where you can’t see it anymore.</p>
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<p>Sad, isn’t it. Once you entertain the Truth you have to begin dealing with Reality instead of Fantasy and it’s a little harder.</p>
<p>Maybe Obama raised the SS &amp; Medicare/Medicaid commission and it got shot down like a trial balloon when the idea of raising the tax cap was considered. Or, maybe Congressional leaders just told him to wait while they get a zillion other things dealt with.</p>
<p>Maybe the economic responsibility group will suggest something to be done a bit later. Who knows, maybe they’ll suggest we get onto a glide path to where the lock box idea can really be instituted.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/23/if-cutting-social-security-benefits-is-off-the-table-why-wont-robert-gibbs-say-it/#comment-1839035</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;I would REALLY like someone to ask why the funds aren’t retrieved that were stolen borrowed from the fund by reagan?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;why the HELL is no democrat talking about THOSE loans?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;why are we talking about foreclosing on people’s houses when we SHOULD be talking about foreclosing on the loan reagan took to give rich people my money&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I WANT MY MONEY BACK
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We aren’t talking about that because it’s more important to keep families in their homes than for you to have some money. Priorities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>I would REALLY like someone to ask why the funds aren’t retrieved that were stolen borrowed from the fund by reagan?</p>
<p>why the HELL is no democrat talking about THOSE loans?</p>
<p>why are we talking about foreclosing on people’s houses when we SHOULD be talking about foreclosing on the loan reagan took to give rich people my money</p>
<p>I WANT MY MONEY BACK
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<p>We aren’t talking about that because it’s more important to keep families in their homes than for you to have some money. Priorities.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you just found the rallying cry, Snarkie:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bush used SS to fund the wars&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you just found the rallying cry, Snarkie:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bush used SS to fund the wars</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Then make it up with military budget cuts, removing the FICA contribution cap, and/or increases in taxes on the wealthiest Americans.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then make it up with military budget cuts, removing the FICA contribution cap, and/or increases in taxes on the wealthiest Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point. The SS trust fund is Congress’ rainy day fund.  But pay pack Congress’ frequent borrowings from it?  Congress would have to admit its sleight-of-budget tricks and come up the money it was intending to take from SS in the first place.  A lose lose for our Caiptal [sic] Hill budget mavens.  That’s one reason the so-called Democrats must be playing with “reforming” SS.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not just who takes a haircut, but who gets on the Committee to decide it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. The SS trust fund is Congress’ rainy day fund.  But pay pack Congress’ frequent borrowings from it?  Congress would have to admit its sleight-of-budget tricks and come up the money it was intending to take from SS in the first place.  A lose lose for our Caiptal [sic] Hill budget mavens.  That’s one reason the so-called Democrats must be playing with “reforming” SS.</p>
<p>It’s not just who takes a haircut, but who gets on the Committee to decide it.</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If anyone’s still langing about on this thread, a great one, again, by Jane The Riled . . . *G* . . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) Gibbs ain’t talking, cuz it IS on the table&lt;br /&gt;
2) Present or future solvency is NOT the issue we up against&lt;br /&gt;
3) ‘THEY’ is gonna ‘alter’ the process&lt;br /&gt;
4) Said altering will include taking a mythical percentage of what we’ve paid in, moving THAT to a privatized system (stock market) and not only TAX it again, but force us to pay fees as we try and move our newly privatized SS money thru any of the shit options they’ll develop for us. Just like an IRA, or 401k. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s why they ain’t taking it off the table. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They won’t FULLY fuck with it, just a percentage. And they’ll claim it’s part of the economic recovery plan, when in all actual reality, it’s just more upwards funneling of our wealth into the hands of the few. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And to the  person who made the VERY astute comment we’ll (boomers) all be DEAD by 2040 . . . our boomer aging is the REASON the bankers need to move on our SS money now, before we bequeth it all to children, grand children or our favorite charity. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s WHY ‘they’ want at it so bad, BEFORE it runs out. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m 56, and I’ll HAVE to work for at LEAST 15 more years. And more, if possible. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that SS check at full value will mean a HELL of a difference to me and my wife. With it reduced, or privatized, it will disappear and shrink greatly. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that’s life as we know it. Very little we can do to change it, at this point other than to resist it gracefully and adapt to it all mightily . . . . I see people sharing living situations more and more . . . in greater numbers per unit. Be it NY City 37th floor apartment or CA Suburban 4 bdr homes . . . . we’ll all be sharing a lot more as we age. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those of you who are anti social will be making some HUGE changes, or going off to the woods by yerselves. *G*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone’s still langing about on this thread, a great one, again, by Jane The Riled . . . *G* . . </p>
<p>1) Gibbs ain’t talking, cuz it IS on the table<br />
2) Present or future solvency is NOT the issue we up against<br />
3) ‘THEY’ is gonna ‘alter’ the process<br />
4) Said altering will include taking a mythical percentage of what we’ve paid in, moving THAT to a privatized system (stock market) and not only TAX it again, but force us to pay fees as we try and move our newly privatized SS money thru any of the shit options they’ll develop for us. Just like an IRA, or 401k. </p>
<p>That’s why they ain’t taking it off the table. </p>
<p>They won’t FULLY fuck with it, just a percentage. And they’ll claim it’s part of the economic recovery plan, when in all actual reality, it’s just more upwards funneling of our wealth into the hands of the few. </p>
<p>And to the  person who made the VERY astute comment we’ll (boomers) all be DEAD by 2040 . . . our boomer aging is the REASON the bankers need to move on our SS money now, before we bequeth it all to children, grand children or our favorite charity. </p>
<p>That’s WHY ‘they’ want at it so bad, BEFORE it runs out. </p>
<p>I’m 56, and I’ll HAVE to work for at LEAST 15 more years. And more, if possible. </p>
<p>But that SS check at full value will mean a HELL of a difference to me and my wife. With it reduced, or privatized, it will disappear and shrink greatly. </p>
<p>And that’s life as we know it. Very little we can do to change it, at this point other than to resist it gracefully and adapt to it all mightily . . . . I see people sharing living situations more and more . . . in greater numbers per unit. Be it NY City 37th floor apartment or CA Suburban 4 bdr homes . . . . we’ll all be sharing a lot more as we age. </p>
<p>Those of you who are anti social will be making some HUGE changes, or going off to the woods by yerselves. *G*</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shetland? *G*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shetland? *G*</p>
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		<title>By: eagleye</title>
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		<dc:creator>eagleye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m ready to talk Social Security overhaul, so long as the new system is designed by the working people of this country, and not a bunch of dickheads in a think tank in Greenwich, CT.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m ready to talk Social Security overhaul, so long as the new system is designed by the working people of this country, and not a bunch of dickheads in a think tank in Greenwich, CT.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Jane,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could we do a Salon with Helen? Especially about Social Security?  She would be a great salon…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jane,</p>
<p>Could we do a Salon with Helen? Especially about Social Security?  She would be a great salon…</p>
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		<title>By: TomThumb</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomThumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the link.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.</p>
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