Nationalization fears are not what is killing banks. It is not the fear of nationalization, but the question that economist Paul Davidson asked a year ago: "Who will take the haircut?" Bank shareholders have taken a hair cut already. The people who are left in banks are either fighting for the control of the bank itself, or speculating that the banking system will rebound and stay private. The banks however, are not where the money is. Banks package revenue streams into instruments that are sold. It is the people holding the securities that are at issue. Do they get paid back in full? Or do they take a haircut? It is time, as Martin Wolf notes, to think anew. And this is the subject that people are thinking about.
In the area of options on banks, the choices are simple. We have a Mexican stand off: the holders of deep liquidity have to put their money someplace. The people selling securities need money. A simple churn of no risk paper creates no real wealth. Thus someone has to slip. Summers and Geithner clearly understand half of Rubin’s formula on government finances: they are playing poker with the bond holders. That is what is behind the announcement of slashing deficits from Obama: telling bond holders to keep buying long term and short term bonds, because soon there will be less of them. It is an attempt to run the Clinton play again: hard dollar, low deficit, and then the holders of liquidity will have to invest in private capital. As Bob Rubin dryly remarked: "What are they going to do with the oil? Drink it?"
But Rubin’s day is passed precisely because the various pieces of that play are broken. It requires that the financial sector, as the supplier of investment, be in an arms race with the wave of investment demand, and able to siphon off a large portion of the revenue stream. Without the faith in this wild west kind of financial world, without bankers being seen as the Atlases that hold up the roof of the world, there is no social buy in for such a system. Rubin’s stock has fallen farther than Citigroup, precisely because he was the person who gave the green light to doing this. Even if others were driving it. Credibility and bankers is always the same: as soon as someone question’s a banker’s credibility, it vanishes in a puff of smoke.
Thus, with the faith in the arms race financial system broken, the options for the banks are simple:
- Subsidize
- Rationalize
- Nationalize
- Marginalize
We are doing the first: throwing money at banks and other packagers, such as hedge funds, in hopes that they will be able to get the magic back and find ways of chopping up risk. The hope is the bank-o-matic money processor – it slices, it dices, and just look what it does for sub-prime mortgages – will get going again. Please God, the subsidizers are saying to themselves, just one more bubble, we promise not to screw it up. But we tried to be smarter in Clinton’s bubble, and people would have none of it. And that is still true. Example: 6 months ago, gasoline was 4 dollars a gallon in Massachusetts. Now it is $1.89. The local conservative paper is telling it’s working class readers to rebel against a 19 cent a gallon gasoline tax, which would bring gasoline to about $2.08. People are willing to pay 2 dollars a gallon to Exxon to not fix the problem, but not 19 cents a gallon to keep their children’s schools open.
But subsidization leads, inevitably, to the move for another round of shifting away from public investment, and to deficit-producing tax cuts. As J. Bradford DeLong points out: we know how this one comes out. And it is not with smaller deficits, but with the country on the road to another ballooning fiscal deficit.
The reason we are subsidizing is to avoid the second option: rationalizing. That means bankruptcy and the financial architecture falling into the hands of creditors. Many of these people are not Americans. Rationalization has a hooverite populist appeal. Get the banks. But remember something: the bankers of this decade are like lawyers, they are the intermediaries for others. The collect the money, but most of the proceeds go elsewhere.
Another form of rationalizing is to have a "bad bank" system, however, the cost of doing this is high, and effectively leads to…
The third option now in play: Nationalization. Because it is clear that financial welfare breeds dependence. I’ve never seen a welfare queen drive a Cadillac, but several welfare kings have flown into Washington on private jets. But nationalization is really about the question of who takes the haircut. Having a nationalized banking system whose purpose is to pay back the securities holders in full, is like combining the worst parts of the IRS and a collection agency. At 20% interest.
Thus, nationalization is no better, and no worse, that the people doing it. If the people who tried to subsidize first do it, you can bet that nationalization is merely a place holder to turn the banks back over to the same people who ran them. For example, the most likely option is to nationalize the losses. This is like the old story of the fox and the mole: they planted onions, the fox asked the mole "Do you want everything above the ground, or below it?" The mole chose above. The next time they planted lettuce, and the fox asked the same thing. The mole, not wanting to be fooled twice, chose below. This is the choice the public is being offered with the banks.
Thus nationalization depends, entirely, on how it is done. Roubini points out that subsidizing and rationalizing aren’t going to work, and there is a clear and present danger that several large money center banks will fail and leave their entire portfolios as toxic stew. Nationalization is being shouted, because the time to do it is running out. The banks may be zombie banks, but at least they are still ambulatory. But the vultures are circling, and the banks may not be the living dead for much longer.
That is why the last option is being whispered: marginalize the banks. The Fed is already lending to hedge funds, to the commercial paper market. Marginalization would have the old banks churn the old paper, but that virtually all new small business or consumer loans would come through the Fed directly. It has been discussed at the Fed, but no one with political standing has yet had the courage to say that we can have a "Fedit" card system, with credit extended at prime or above based on national priorities. Want to energy proof your house? Prime. Want to buy a new house? Prime plus 1%. Want to take a vacation? Whatever the market will bear.
So those exhaust the choices. We can throw money at the banks and hope that the holders of deep liquidity start buying. We can sell the banks to the holders of deep liquidity and take on the toxic debt, hoping to hold it for very long periods of time, on borrowed money. We can take over the banks and force new terms on borrowers and lenders, with who gets it in the posterior being the key question. We can end run the old banking system and jump start the economy based on new priorities.
Thus the government can be the banker to banks, the investment banker to bond holders, the investment banker to would be bankers, or the bank itself.
Which solution is the simplest?
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Hope these guys know what they’re doing.
Hope (TM) indeed
OT Tony Blankley on Tweety just said that if the Stimulus was well designed and all infrastructure the bill would have gotten 100 votes.
I assume he means the House.
I thought the tax cuts were necessary to get GOP votes? I thought that the Dems talked to the GOP about this?
Either the GOP’s polls have shifted very fast, very Left and the GOP is lying to protect themselves on the issue.
Or, or sorry I got nothing. I can’t believe Obama would lie to push a GOP agenda.
1.89 + 0.19 = 2.08, not 2.18
Sincerely,
Nitpick Detail
okay grab a scotch…this is from the mouth of a high school HISTORY teacher
All of the Republicans agreed that the plan is a spending boondoggle that won’t turn the economy around. U.S. Rep. Roy Blunt made the most pointed criticism of it in his speech Friday night: “I guess you can’t be Franklin Roosevelt if you don’t create a depression,” he said of President Barack Obama.
Depends on what they want to do, which gets back to who or what will they protect at whose cost? As Stirling says, who gets the haircut?
“Entitlement reform” is another way of asking the same question. Except that the question is more loaded. It assumes an answer. “Gubmint’s” plate is full, it can’t pay for it all, something’s gotta give, and it should be from beneficiaries of “retail” aid: homeowners, families, those who want a public education and health care for their kids and themselves, and those so “poor” and unconnected that they still pay a fair share of taxes. Pretty much middle America.
Who put the question that way? Those who don’t want to take a haircut: Villagers, corporate America, neocons, triangulators and other current politicians who don’t want to change their ways. And those who don’t want the question asked in Stirling’s stark, neutral terms, because then they can’t control the answer or even the discussion.
Easy
Do they get paid back in full? No.
Or do they take a haircut? Yes.
How are we giving money and how much to hedge funds?
And the 800 lb Gorilla in the Center of the Village,
the Dod and its minions.
.
I have said this for some time, that we need to nationalize “banking” not NOT nationalize “banks”
those holding toxic debt need to eat those assets, they took the risk, the “casinoized” their lending strategy and the last thing we should be doing is paying their gambling debts
those with assets they have best paper can try to foreclose on their asset or renegotiate at the proper current market value
those who cannot find best paper simply cannot collect on their the bets they placed gambling
I also believe any debt that is owned by more then one entity needs to consolidate that asset, either sell it to one holder or form a corporation that becomes individually responsible for that particular asset
that’s what I’ve been suggesting, the fed should be lending money not banks, the bank should be entitled to a simple “point” based profit, I don’t know what that would be but that should be ALL that banking is about, controlling the feds loans
IN ADDITION
the fed needs to be nationalized, there is NO reason private industry should be turning a profit over our monetary system, that “profit” COULD be used as a “tax revenue” instead of bearing the weight of private overhead
I bet Roy thinks that military spending in WW2 not stimulus jobs saved us during the Great Depression.
But if anything under Bush military spending has grown ALLOT so where are the jobs? Where is the great economy?
Are you suggesting Mr. Blunt is confused or reciting whatever GOP’er talking point his staff printed out this morning?
GOP’ers don’t think the depression, already brewing, went public with the Wall Street crash in October 1929. Or that Mr. Roosevelt won election, in part, because Hoover didn’t think the government could or should do anything to soften the cruelties of its consequences. Their depression happened when the gravy train ended and they had to tell something like the truth when they sold securities, and when labor’s dependence on corporation’s was lessened with Social Security, labor and food laws
Or did the eponymous Mr. Blunt have another depression in mind? The one he’s living through.
why are we throwing money at banks at all?
we need liquidity, instead of “throwing money at them” we should be “making money for loans available”
bing, any money they get from the government is simply for loans and nothing else
they can make a “point” based commission but that’s it, there, that keeps them from using my money to fund their private jets or million dollar salary
Fixed, and ty
Great talking point forget about paying securities holders in full back we can’t.
they just Lie for sits and giggles
shits and giggles
o and guess who didnt showtoday
Quelle Surprise: Rove A No-Show, Again, For US Attorneys Testimony
By Zachary Roth – February 23, 2009, 1:47PM
So today was the day that Karl Rove was supposed to appear before the House Judiciary committee to testify about the US Attorney firings. And of course, Rove didn’t show.
the best explained paragraphs seen to date on the instrument and it’s likely orifice.
I like it rates should be lower because of no advertising undue profit, or CEO’s flying in private jets.
The thing is it won’t happen until something big fails and it becomes the only option left.
As to what will fail a company, bank, hedgefund, a country that is anyone’s guess they could all go.
the real story
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..831/698883
What Perris said.
Banking should be a public utility and not a profit center or gambling casino for the well heeded. And they certainly don’t deserve to be “bailed out”.
Rich folks need to dip into their pockets and pay the debts of the corporations that they own.
did the edit feature ever come back or is that not gonna happen?
If it were a matter of morality and equity- then the banks would not get a dime- they certainly don’t DESERVE anything. The question is whethe the REST of us would suffer unduly if they go under.
We’re talkin about bailing ourselves out.
Ask Jane
CREATE A DEPRESSION!?!?!?!?!?! Kee-rap. Scotch ain’t gonna do it.
How much longer until we are in another Depression?
That is the standard Rush/Republic contention: FDR and not Hoover created the Depression.
Seems to me that today, banks serve no purpose to anyone outside the bank.
I’d rather have a Fed-account for checking, a Fed-debit card, and a Fed IRA than the accounts I have with Bank of America.
Not that I trust the Fed more than B of A (which is to say, very little).
It’s just that B of A has become irrelevant to me and a lot of its other account owners.
do you mean the one after our current one or are you not counting this one yet as a depression?
So you’re comfortable with the govt knowing your entire financial history? Wow.
Assuming we aren’t already, should I be looking at the calendar or at my watch to answer? *sorta g*
“as soon as someone question’s a banker’s credibility, it vanishes in a puff of smoke.”—so why are Summers and Geithner still in the game?
To answer the question posed “Which solution is the simplest?”, “We can end run the old banking system and jump start the economy based on new priorities.”
The FED is already way overloaded so why not take it all the way?
They do anyway.
Not put together in the far more usable format that it would be in if the fed govt were your banker.
OT via HuffPost:
The government already knows my financial history.
Here’s his wiki.
Under marginalization what becomes of the FDIC insured deposits. If the Fed is the people’s bank then why would people not keep their deposits with the Fed? And if they did, the old banking system would simply go belly up.
To be honest, most of what Stirling says could be done under marginalizatin could be done under nationalization as well. The difference is under nationalization you actually have the physical plant and client accounts already in place.
Thanks. Didn’t remember Locke doing rebuttal of GWB’s SotU in 2003. Maybe because I could never bear to watch those.
It’s difficult to watch a system that seems to still be able to claim that ‘capital’ is the source of wealth. Therefore, anyone who manages or controls or claims to own ‘capital’ shouldn’t have to take a haircut because that would somehow damage ‘capital’.
It’s a system that ignores moral hazards by claiming the the logic of the market will always sort out ‘winners’ and ‘losers’. That very assumption is deeply flawed.
Until we walk backward far enough to really examine, expose, and have a conversation about our flawed assumptions regarding economics, we’ll continue to hurtle from one ‘crisis’ to the next – while at the same time the GOP Senators and the GOP House leadership will not be held accountable for their fraudulent, foolish economic ideology which seems to originate somewhere in the late 18th century.
Who should take a haircut?
– The GOP **and Dem electeds** who played key leadership roles getting us into this mess — particularly Phil Gramm, Bush41, Baker, DeLay, and the rest of the ‘deregulation’ lawmakers.
– The SEC who turned a blind eye.
– The key managers on Wall Street who didn’t have enough judgment to investigate the ability of their own institutions to cover CDO and CDSwaps.
– The ratings agencies.
– The rah-rah cheerleaders in the media who couldn’t be bothered to do actual reporting on the impending disaster.
– The greedheads who kept swapping.
FWIW, Locke has some very strong traits and budgets are one of his strong points. And his heritage is, at this historical moment, a huge plus IMHO.
the format is thus;
the banking industry lends the fed’s money for a finders fee, they are responsible for that money
bing
they are in the busness of lending money not in the business of gambling
Good to know and thanks!
All this talk about haircuts reminds me of an earlier age when financal crisis ruined a middle class and launched a wave of haircuts: 1789. The question should not be who gets a haircut, but what kind? private? or National? the kind administered by staid old financial regulations and court judgements? or from angry and innovative committees of public safety armed with some modern, perhaps less gorey equivalent to Dr. Guillotine’s National Razor?
Somehow, any real sense of urgency seems absent on Wall Street, not just in Washington. Things can happen when financial crises get bad enough, things that aren’t financial at all. Bad things. At some point, our corrupt politicians and financiers should therefore remember that the time when they can accept a businesslike financial haircut may be passing. Maybe they can indeed count on fooling all of the people for a little longer. Maybe their bought politicians and media will be enough to let them evade any real reckoning. But maybe not. Maybe, just maybe, a Directory may be the future rather than a board of directors. Apres nous, le deluge?
Gary Locke? Oh sweet baby Jesus, two words: Sound Transit.
If you want someone making sure that a whole lot of money spent on a whole lot of nothing, then Gary Locke is definitely your man.
He is saying two things (I think): that Obama’s plan is creating a depression because it won’t stimulate the economy and create jobs and/or that we’re not really in a downward spiral destined for a Great Depression (owing to Bush’s activities) and that even if we recover quickly, it won’t be because of the stimulus, it would be because Dems just overhyped the situation and it really wasn’t all that bad to start with.
Lose, you caused it. Win, you didn’t help.
Rep. Blunt is a smart cookie.
In a more ideal world that is exactly right. What Paulson brought to Dems was an emergency call for action and no time to include details like oversight or restrictions on the money’s use.