Arnold Schwarzenegger told George Stephanopolous that he’d happily take the money Mark Sanford, Bobby Jindal and others are turning down as part of a high profile GOP publicity stunt:
"Governor Sanford says that he does not want to take the money, the federal stimulus package money. And I want to say to him: ‘I’ll take it.’ I’m more than happy to take his money or any other governor in this country that doesn’t want to take this money, I take it, because we in California need it," Schwarzenegger said.
He also suggested his party’s ideological opposition to tax cuts isn’t always tenable.
"I think that the Republican Party or any party has to always think, when you make a decision, ‘Do I want to make a decision that’s based — that’s best for the party? Or am I a public servant and have to serve the people, what is best for the people?’" he said.
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Schwarzenegger said Republicans in Washington must put aside their ideology and work with President Barack Obama on solving the economic crisis.
"You know, you’ve got to go beyond just the principles. You’ve got to go and say, ‘What is right for the country right now?’" he said. "I think that, if they — they should make an effort to work together and to find what is best for the people, because by derailing everything, it’s not going to help anybody, and it creates instability and insecurity."
The wedge between those Republicans trying to rebrand the party after the wreckage of the Bush years and those struggling to clean up the mess continues. It also underscores that the GOP in crafting its message is speaking to a regional Southern base, and Republicans outside of that are dealing with the reality that most people view the whole thing as nothing more than a big temper tantrum in the midst of a crisis.
Update: Schweitzer takes a swipe at Jindal: "Simply what I have said is that if you don’t like these federal dollars, what about the other 95% of the federal dollars you’ve already received? If you reject 98 million dollars for unemployment, why did you receive the 10 billion dollars for all the rest of the programs that came from the federal government?”
“We’re getting wrapped around the axle on these new stimulus dollars as if the federal government never sent any money to states before,” he said. “Who builds the highways? They send the money, we do. They send the money, we fix them. Who shares in Medicaid? This is not something new. People act as though these dollars are a brand new source of dollars that are going out to states. They’ve added about 20%, maybe 25% this year, but during the time that these governors — must of whom will be governors during an 8-year period — this represents around 5, 6 percent of the total dollars that come from the federal government.”



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when a hypocrite and dysfunctional governor–who let this fester for 8 months and couldnt lead his own party–is your moral center, then your party is dead or hopelessly split as a working organization.
If there is an opening in Obama’s administration, I think Arnold just earned it this AM.
When Arnold said this to GEorge S. this AM, I just savored the moment of “clear” thinking and the beauty of it.
Sounds like a Kennedy to me!
I for one will be happy to see the governator go but I have to say he was disgusted with his party the entire 8 months. He was not silent about their continued obstruction. At least he isn’t married to his political ideology to the extent he would watch the whole state implode than raise taxes.
I blame the Kennedy’s
no kidding I do
anyway, bobby had arnold on the radio a couple of years agon and bobby suggested most of arnolds posititions are in fact the postitions of democrats and said he expected arnold to switch sides
in any event arnold must denounce the damage he’s done to california with his tax cuts before I think he earns his spot in the administration
IN ADDITION
I do not believe obama should allow arnold to say “only if you help get a republican in my spot”
not this time
If republicans begin to do what makes sense for the people they cease being republicans and there in lies their conundrum.
If they are intellectually honest they realize that they are embracing democratic principles which even many democrats don’t embrace such as unconditional support for labor and the middle class and certain rights to things such as housing, education and health care for every one in the nation, not just those who can afford it because of their parents, their bloodline, the color of their skin and so forth. Republican ideology in grounded in the belief that we are in it for ourselves and owe nothing to our neighbors, that government is your neighbor’s interest and telling YOU what to do.
Reason means the end of republicanism and libertarianism because both abhor government and society cannot exist without government. The deal is to have a government which supports the needs of the people, respects their inalienable rights and protects them and the environment so that society can give a future worth living to the children we inevitably will produce.
I’m flabbergasted that I actually agree with something the Goverinatior said.
Remember when Arnold was fine with Enron bilking Californians out of their money and then used the moment to do a hostile takeover of California?
Blame the Rs in the state lege before you blame Ahnold.
They were anti-tax long before he was drafted to be governor.
Remember that the excuse for the recall was the pending end of the rebate on car registration fees – which the Rs had agreed were for a limited time.
F*cking hypocrites.
Seems like only yesterday the hard rightwingers were bragging about US tax dollars building schools in Iraq.
Arnold is an opportunist, but at least it indicates flexibility and a willingness to change.
-G
Remember that the excuse for the recall was the pending end of the rebate on car registration fees
Exactly! Gray Davis warned this would be disaster for tax revenue. You would have thought the republics could have figured by now that when you lower taxes it lowers revenue to cities, counties, and states.
Exactly. He’s an opportunist just like Ronnie Reagan was.
arnold has gutted the clean air rules, given a huge tax cut to very large corporations and played bully with the bgts of the Democrats in executive offices but left the bgts of the Rethug alone.
They’re not that smart.
Remember they think that cutting taxes stimulates the economy, and that they hate government, even when they’re being paid by it.
they will NOT realize it till our critters point it out
see my # 4 for the framinig they should be using by now, let’s hope some of them are reading here at the lake
somehow repugs continue to believe the myth that if you cut taxes you get more revenue …… I call it funny bookkeeping……
What if tomorrow my employer cuts my pay 10% but because I will be in a lower tax bracket then I will get more after tax dollars….. No I’ve been robbed ….. I could be setting that 10% into a 401K and get the same effect……
All of this just goes to prove that for the most part rethugs care about getting power but are absolutely clueless about governing.
Arnold will take whatever money happens to laying around and if any of those GOPer’s have water they don’t want I sure he would take that too.
I vish dat I kud jahst sit bahk and schmoke some paht. Guvernating is haaad vork.
-Der Governator
I don’t know how the last 8 months played out in the rest of the state, but I live in the blood red central valley where entire careers have been made out of convincing dirt poor folks to vote against their own interests. It never ceases to amaze me how people will refuse to believe their lying eyes. Are they fucking better off than they were before bush and 6 years of GOP rule? GEEZ…
I just caught most of ABC’s This Week with Krugman and Roubini. It was a refreshing surprise to have a couple of sane, knowledgeable people show up on the media. George Will was there to add a sense of vacuity. He blames ordinary Americans taking on too much debt and not the bankers receiving multi-million dollar salaries for promoting lending policies which put them so deeply in debt. Apparently ordinary Americans are only put on par with the experts when it is a question of assessing blame.
Link.
-G
Should’ve split ‘em up and loaned one to MTP. The stupid WRT the mortgage plan was painful.
the politicians don’t believe it, they know it’s not true however they can convince the voters and then they can get extra contributions from their wealthy donors
I thought we were on another thread where I posted a rebute to these types of republicans, follows is what democrats should be saying to the “lower taxes” meme
“if someone has a mehtod of lowering taxes without it costing the tax payer MORE money, as we have seen it do ACROSS the country, then please let us know and we WIL lower taxes
just about every time a republican says they want to “lower taxes” what they really mean is that they want to give middle class assets to the wealthy
well Americans are FINALLY on to them, show a DEMOCRAT where to lower taxes that it won’t cost tax payers MORE and the DEMOCRAT will lower THOSE taxes, and we will NOT give more of your assets to the wealthy”
if someone has a mehtod of lowering taxes without it costing the tax payer MORE money, as we have seen it do ACROSS the country, then please let us know and we WIL lower taxes
just about every time a republican says they want to “lower taxes” what they really mean is that they want to give middle class assets to the wealthy
well Americans are FINALLY on to them, show a DEMOCRAT where to lower taxes that it won’t cost tax payers MORE and the DEMOCRAT will lower THOSE taxes, and we will NOT give more of your assets to the wealthy”
just about every time a republican says they want to “lower taxes” what they really mean is that they want to give middle class assets to the wealthy
well Americans are FINALLY on to them, show a DEMOCRAT where to lower taxes that it won’t cost tax payers MORE and the DEMOCRAT will lower THOSE taxes, and we will NOT give more of your assets to the wealthy”
ya, I had the wrong response for you up top, democrats should use as a response to the “lower taxes” republican what I wrote in my 23
off to the gym, see all later
as per usual, your take was more thoughtful than mine, which was (from elliot’s thread):
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
The race against the clock is on between demographic and political change on one hand and disproportionate regional power in a minority political party that can destabilize and maybe permanently bankrupt the entire country in the short term, while the long term spells political extinction. We have right now the same political imbalance in the Congress and ruling apparatus that led to the Civil War in 1860. What is different and more dangerous this time is that the Northern banks that tipped the balance for the Union last time but only at a cost that was never fully reimbursed by successful economic and political reconstruction, those banks are bankrupt and the industrial infrastructure instead of bein’ young and endless in potential is rusted and as obsolete as the dinosaur.
We’re perched right where the fascist oligarchy wanned us in 1932 and, at least politically, the only thing that saved us then was FDR’s unholy alliance with old Dixie and the assasination of Huey Long. If we don’t overcome the negative power of the fascist minority in Congress in the next two years, then I don’t think even Jesus Christ could save us economically.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITIO9N, OUR WARS ARE NOW OUR OWN!!
WaPo.
Unlike Politico’s “WaPo”.
I had trouble sitting through MTP when Russert was there. Now that Gregory is the host I could stand in the kitchen with a pot on my head, whacking it with a ladle and end up better informed than I would watching that program.
That is pretty dead-on though!
hmmmm. Governator Schwarzenegger says he will take SC’s money. Dem Governor Granholm says she will take SC’s money. Dem Mayor of NOLA says he will take Jindal’s money….
Governator Schwarzenegger stealth Democrat?
The pot and ladle would be better informed, as well.
LOL!
He is whatever he thinks he needs to be that day. He has no political policy except one that will get him attention. He’s just looking toward his next job – maybe running for the Senate.
lol. i’m actually not too sure because i missed some after that – couldn’t hear it over the sound of my own yelling at the tv.
don’t know how you all do it. i even had to mute arnold.
Governator Schwarzenegger stealth Democrat?
I would definitely not go that far, but at least he does have the ability to break from ideology to think about what is best for the state.
Glenn Smith is upstairs with a new thread.
I have to give the GOP governors credit. Their loud bleating about not accepting stimulus money is helping to clearly define the GOP to every American. They should be well-defined, and then they can stand in contrast to the Democrats in upcoming elections. Let the people decide—the people standing in unemployment lines wondering why they have no jobs and little help.
I hope that more Repug Governors and Pols reject the stimulus package.
I told some friends a while back that Obama’s underlying MO is to divide and destroy the Repug party … off to a great start !
I think a “moderate Republican” is one who just did not receive the memo. The objective of the RNC and its other nefarious arms is nothing short of the destruction of the way the Constitution says we should conduct public business. You do that by bloated spending, ruinous wars under false pretense, and cutting the lifeblood of any state, which is revenue. They do this because the only constituency for which they stand does not need public schools or FICA donations or public health care. So why should they fund the programs for them as do, who might be some suspect color to boot?
There were no Greeks sacking Troy who were confused about the mission. Nor should there be Republicans who pretend that liberal idea Nation Building is now the goal, especially if the nation is the one we live in.
LOL
After getting totally negative on Schwarzenegger during the recall, I’m going mildly favorable now.
I’m sure he’s learned a great deal since he’s been in office, and what he’s learned has probably been about 99.9% bad news for the state.
I’d really like to hear him say that he’s now embarrassed and humiliated by his relationship with the obstructionist Evil Clown Party, that he’s leaving them, and that “he von’t be baack!”
Sanford and Jindahl should be encouraged to refuse stimulus funds as a matter of principle. Then, when their citizens are forced to boiling their shoes or cooking up a hearty grass soup they can be reminded of the “principled” stand of their elected governors. If the citizens of these states have any sense they will either defeat these ideologues at the ballot box.
Why doesn’t somebody in the media (I know, I know…) call Jindal and the other oh-so-principled GOP governors making mouth noises about not wanting stimulus funds for what they are—WELFARE QUEENS! The red states are being subsidized greatly by the more successful generally blue states in terms of federal monies given them vs federal taxes they pay. So yank their chains. I’m sure that the citizens of those states, being equally principled, despite being out of work, foreclosed upon, and dying of untreated medical conditions, will line up behind their governors and flip the bird at the feds. Sometimes I wonder whether Lincoln would not have been wiser just saying ‘Go in peace…and good luck with that’.
Clovis, are you from the same name?
Why do I have the feeling that Ahnold’s reality-based smackdown of Jindal et al will get far less attention than Jindal’s silly posturing?
I think that there are several rethug gov that are singing that tune. Perry of Tx, Jindal of La, the govenator of Ca, Palin of Ak, I am sure that there are others. Not sure exactly what they are trying to prove. Bonds(r) sen of Mo voted against the stim, yet is running all around his state boasting how much “he” got for his state. Of course one never hears-from the MSM-that he voted again the stim.
Once more, those who own the MSM tell us only what they want us to hear. Concentrate on the little stuff so that all the big stuff can be ignored. The sheeple are fed pap and gobble it up.
Perhaps the Republican governors refusing the stimulus have another agenda: Much of the stimulus money will go to expanded unemployment and healthcare benefits. Perhaps by their refusal these governors are hoping to force the poor and less fortunate to leave their states.
Don’t trust the evil Republican Schwarzenegger! He’s a 2 faced liar trying to throw us a political bone. His failed wingnut agenda got us in this mess in the first place.
“Lt. Gov Garamendi linked these dead beat Republicans to the Newt Gingrich led Congress that got embarrassed by shutting down the federal government.
And Arnold Schwarzenegger gets a free pass from the California and national media time and time again. He was Enron’s chosen boy to oust Gray Davis and Schwarzenegger almost single handedly led us down a path to ruin. The CA media needs to start looking in the mirror on this one.”
http://crooksandliars.com/john…..tion-sprea
me likey but that’s just the beginning, it reverses the damaging asset redistribution of reagan and bush but it’s barely a drop in the bucket
notice, this is not a tax reduction it’s a divergence of revenue, from those that give nothing to our laborers to those who actually labor
so far pretty good
The video of Arnold’s interview on ABC’s This Week is up on youtube. See it here:
http://gotchamedia.blogspot.co…..mulus.html
While I have never ever been a fan of Ahnold, the crisis in California is not of his making. Howard Jarvis and his cohorts who got Prop 13 passed are the main ones.
But everyone must also remember that the Enron debacle was only made possible by the (at the time) Rethug legislature under Pete Wilson. They passed the legislation that deregulated the utilities – something the utility companies did not even ask for. That deregulation contributed massively to the Enron mess (and left both of California’s stable and profitable utilities in bankruptcy).
When Gray Davis was recalled – I thought California was sold a bill of goods (yet again) by a bunch of Rethug crooks. The Dem candidate was a lackluster campaigner although a nice guy. But I think most people looked at Ahnold and saw something that was the far lesser of about 20 worse evils. He is pro-choice, and lib/prog on a lot of issues. He does not take his salary since he said he really doesn’t need it.
And yes, he is teh stupid on a lot of this stuff – but I also believe that he gets in trouble mostly when he listens to his neo-con Rethug handlers. And he usually gets rebuffed by the voters. Then he calms down and is his more reasonable self.
FYI: Jindal has no “h” in it.
[Mod Note; should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads up.]
Schweitzer makes a great point. In addition, while actually increasing the Federal deficit on war and “homeland security pork” and “faith-biased initiatives” Reagan, Bush I and Bush II also sent vast amounts of programs back into States in their “Federalization Program”. Of course, they turned these over to States as “Unfunded Mandates” thus causing many states to face massive deficits and the need to cut other programs to manage this demands from the Federal government.
I was hoping that “Piyush” didn’t ;-)
Pronounced in the appropriate Southern accent that about says it!
PIYUSSSSS!
BTW Anyone catch Piyush “Booby” Jindal this AM ranting about the mythical LA (as in Los Angeles) – Vegas High Speed Rail that supposedly was pork from the Stimulus? Except that it is an utter fabrication by the Goopers. There is no Federally-Approved High Speed Rail Corridor between Vegas and Los Angeles.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Iz_l…..rridor.jpg
I guess Piyush is simply playing to the masses that hate LaLaLand and gambling…
But if you look at the map there’s a real Hi-Speed Rail route between the casinos of Mobile, Alabama and that other LA (NOLA). Oh, and another planned between Houston and NOLA, and another between Atlanta (and Washington DC) and NOLA. Looks like Booby Jindal’s Louisiana would be a major beneficiary of high-speed rail. It would be the HUB of the South and the Gulf Coast.
But Booby hates them High Speed Rails. I’m sure that Arnold will take them money for that as well. Is Booby turning it down? Or was his rant against rail transit simply red-meat for his Republican party?
Mmmm, tasty policy! Dems may disagree with Arnold on ideology, but apparently he’s a real mensch.